For those who like the 3D aspect, do you think RealD 3D or Imax 3D is better?

5/8/2012 11:01:39 AM

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"^^^oh good heavens. Its a damn comic book movie. what is wrong with you? It is some people's joy in life to not enjoy anything I believe."

there have been comic book movies with good action scenes as well as good acting and a good script. The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Sin City, The Watchmen, Hellboy, V for Vendetta, etc. all did it much, much better.

5/8/2012 11:28:53 AM

^ Just to be clear, did you think Ironman and Ironman 2 were bad as well? I'm assuming it's just the style in which Marvel movies have been made.

5/8/2012 11:36:47 AM

^I can buy that. Bout the only thing...but I can buy it.


III

5/8/2012 11:40:57 AM

^^^ no, they didnt.

5/8/2012 11:42:10 AM

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"^ Just to be clear, did you think Ironman and Ironman 2 were bad as well? I'm assuming it's just the style in which Marvel movies have been made."

I thought Iron Man was better (didn't see 2), but still too cheesy for my tastes.

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"^^^ no, they didnt."

lol, ok

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 11:44 AM. Reason : .]

5/8/2012 11:42:43 AM

oh im sorry

did i not match your deep level of explanation and script examination

lol ok

5/8/2012 11:46:37 AM

if you can't see how dumbed-down the lines are, and how sub-par the acting is in the avengers vs. the dark knight, there's really nothing i can say

also i don't care enough to write an analysis

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

5/8/2012 11:49:11 AM

Dumbed down lines in a comic book movie?? Say it ain't so....

5/8/2012 11:54:10 AM

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"this was almost as bad as the fantastic four, imo."

I hope not. The Fantastic Four was terrible. How would you make a non-cheesy movie about a green monster, a man in a flying iron suit, an unfrozen caveman WW2 soldier, and a thunder god joining forces to fight aliens?

Still, Fantastic Four? Care to draw any comparisons between this and Daredevil?

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 11:56 AM. Reason : -]

5/8/2012 11:55:40 AM

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"Still, Fantastic Four? Care to draw any comparisons between this and Daredevil?"

now that i think about it, it wasn't as bad as fantastic four. that movie was awful. it's more along the lines of transformers.

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"How would you make a non-cheesy movie about a green monster, a man in a flying iron suit, an unfrozen caveman WW2 soldier, and a thunder god joining forces to fight aliens?"

you probably can't

5/8/2012 12:02:45 PM

Look guys. Unless it is Citizen Kane, I'm not interested in seeing it.

5/8/2012 12:12:18 PM

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"It is some people's joy in life to not enjoy anything I believe."

there are indeed a plethora of miserable fucks on this planet and especially on tww

5/8/2012 12:20:24 PM

Had someone else bitch to me that the movie was too cheesy, I too, had to at him.

5/8/2012 12:29:14 PM

some people just have to be different, no matter the cost

5/8/2012 12:42:18 PM

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"Look guys. Unless it is Citizen Kane, I'm not interested in seeing it."

whatever. i just don't believe good action scenes are enough to salvage poor acting.

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"there are indeed a plethora of miserable fucks on this planet and especially on tww"

well i'd say you're a miserable fuck for calling someone a miserable fuck because they have different tastes.

anyways, continue your circle jerk about how great this movie is

5/8/2012 12:46:01 PM

who's acting is poor?

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"not trolling. i realize it's a comic book movie, but even transformers 2 & 3 had better dialogue."

Seriously, you just said compared the dialogue in this movie to Transformers 2 and 3. I cannot describe how fucking stupid that makes you look.

I love Transformers. It is by far my favorite childhood series. However, what Michael Bay did to this franchise and how utterly HORRIBLE some of the acting was will always make these films less than what they could have been. HE HAD GHETTO TRANSFORMERS FOR CHRIST'S SAKE....

I challenge you to answer El Gimpy's question from page 5:

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"which lines were worse than "I'm directly below the enemy's scrotum"?"

this is a perfect example of how utterly stupid Michael Bay is. The dialogue in Transformers was some of the worst I've ever seen.

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 1:01 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2012 12:57:16 PM

Spoilers?






There is this very brief shot which I loved. Its right after the carrier fight sequence is over. its a shot of captain America and iron man standing down in the damaged part of the ship. It looks llike its straight out of a comic. captain America up on the cat walk with iron man looking disheveled with the skynd sun behind them. Perfectly captures the moment in the exact right way.. Just like a comic book.

5/8/2012 1:05:40 PM

i thought the same thing

there are several sequences that have this affect

you can definitely tell that Joss Whedon knows comic book structure from his days doing the Astonishing X-Men

5/8/2012 1:22:17 PM

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"Seriously, you just said compared the dialogue in this movie to Transformers 2 and 3."

i changed my mind above

i can't remember anything particularly bad off the top of my head. it was all just so generic and lacked any real emotion, save for a few scenes. "How will you make them come back? Because we need them to". barf.

5/8/2012 1:23:22 PM

And the whole "You're the hero Gotham deserves, not the one it wants" or whatever crap doesn't ring the same in your ears?

5/8/2012 1:24:53 PM

The dialog wasn't perfect, but I thought it was well done for what it was. They did have many cheesy lines spread throughout, but it all seemed to fit.

Well, all but one. When Iron Man says that he's bringing the party to the rest of them, Black Widow says "How is that a party?" in such an awkward way. Both times I saw the movie, this line just grated me because it just seemed so out-of-place and badly delivered.

5/8/2012 1:25:37 PM

Scarlet Johansson is the only one I could see people complaining about, acting-wise

5/8/2012 1:31:04 PM

I will agree about the nick fury line. Even though it was cheesy, it still fit with the universe and the source material.

maybe if optimus prime voiced it it would have warmed adultswims pantylines.

I didnt have a problem with black widows line.

An I particularly enjoyed the limited banter she had with hawkeye.

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 1:36 PM. Reason : *]

5/8/2012 1:35:18 PM

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"And the whole "You're the hero Gotham deserves, not the one it wants" or whatever crap doesn't ring the same in your ears?"

Yeah, The Dark Knight had similar lines. Still, they were executed better and used sparingly.

5/8/2012 1:37:34 PM

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"anyways, continue your circle jerk about how great this movie is"

You know its a pretty big circle jerk. Even the movie critics are singing its praises.

5/8/2012 1:38:02 PM

^^ no, they weren't

5/8/2012 1:39:20 PM

my only complaint is the art direction is a little bland

interior sets specifically and captain amurica's outfit

5/8/2012 1:40:57 PM

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"Yeah, The Dark Knight had similar lines. Still, they were executed better and used sparingly."

Batman growls and grumbles when he talks in every scene. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be fucking shot.

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"interior sets specifically and captain amurica's outfit"

i hated cap's suit

[Edited on May 8, 2012 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .,]

5/8/2012 1:42:38 PM

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"Batman growls and grumbles when he talks in every scene. Whoever thought that was a good idea should be fucking shot."

This ALMOST ruins those movies for me. I mean...wtf.

5/8/2012 2:31:04 PM

They were trying to live up to the legend of Kevin Conroy, but it just didn't work IMO. Grrrrrrr, I'm Batman!

5/8/2012 2:34:47 PM

Kevin Conroy doesn't sound like he's grumbling. He sounds like a badass which Christian Bale completely fails at.

5/8/2012 2:39:01 PM

Yeah when I saw the new trailer for Batman, all I could think of was



http://youtu.be/AhaOMK3ug1E

5/8/2012 2:41:52 PM

i saw it last night and thought it was incredibly entertaining and hilarious. perfect summer movie. i <3 joss whedon.

5/8/2012 3:02:30 PM

5/8/2012 4:02:22 PM

http://www.fxguide.com/featured/vfx-roll-call-for-the-avengers/

5/8/2012 4:06:07 PM

so this is pretty clever

5/8/2012 4:41:23 PM

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"anyways, continue your circle jerk about how great this movie is"

we shall ... cause this movie was amazing

5/8/2012 5:08:37 PM

"THINGS ARE WORSE THAN EVER!"

5/8/2012 5:23:32 PM

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"I didnt have a problem with black widows line. "

Amen to that. I thought the two big scenes with black widow (first with the Russian guys, and second with Loki) were REALLY well done. The actual lines being spoken were cheesy, but that was the whole point. You've got an aristocratic egomaniac on one end, and an assassin manipulating him on the other.

Those scenes did a really awesome job (for me) of establishing just how good an actress Black Widow is as a character, and in turn, establish how well acted it was by the real actress.

There were a handful of super-cheesy lines here and there, but for the most part the dialog in the movie was just very direct, concrete, thoughts-to-words interactions. It's definitely a different style to Batman, Watchmen, Sin City et al (where the dialog is overwhelming metaphorical, and multi-layered). But neither style constitutes bad ACTING. I can tell you that I was bored fucking senseless during many dialogs in the Watchmen, it was like "really? would anyone every REALLY speak like this?"

I enjoy both styles, but had Joss gone that way with The Avengers, it would have been a fucking train wreck. Can you imagine Iron Man speaking that way? Or Captain America? Or *shudder* the Hulk? Fuuuuuck no.

5/8/2012 6:22:56 PM

I think some people in this thread are confusing 'bad acting' with simple lines and a over abundance of 'primary' characters. All the other movies he mentioned have the time and the narrower scope to develop the characters and provide them with the screen time to put across a good character. It's like they are complaining that Stormtrooper #1922 did such a bad job with his line that it makes the movie horrible. The Watchmen was good but is far more 'highbrow' a type and form of comic. While the new Batman movies are narrow enough to allow good development and performances. This isn't a Citizen Kane, this is a Ocean's Eleven.

That said, you can argue all you want about how bad you think it is, the box office numbers indicate otherwise.

5/8/2012 9:06:27 PM

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"While the new Batman movies are narrow enough to allow good development and performances. This isn't a Citizen Kane, this is a Ocean's Eleven. "

Very well put. I agree with that fully.


III

5/8/2012 9:14:33 PM

$200 million box office
93% on RottenTomatoes.

5/8/2012 9:36:41 PM

the dark knight scored a 94 for reference ...


and Watchmen got a 65 ....

5/8/2012 10:04:28 PM

RT doesn't tell you how good the movie is, only how many people think it is good. A well made movie (even if not mind-blowing) should have a high score. So I'm not surprised that TDK and Avengers scored roughly even.

Having said that, Watchmen was not very good... and I really wanted it to be good.

5/8/2012 10:15:02 PM

What a great comic book movie. Most fun I've had in a theater in a while. Place was packed, some dude in front of me was fist pumping like Tiger Woods when the Hulk snatched Iron Man out of the air.

5/9/2012 9:25:40 AM

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"Having said that, Watchmen was not very good... and I really wanted it to be good."

5/9/2012 9:38:25 AM

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"What a great comic book movie. Most fun I've had in a theater in a while. Place was packed, some dude in front of me was fist pumping like Tiger Woods when the Hulk snatched Iron Man out of the air. "

The entire theater was going nuts at this scene. You couldn't hear it at all when Hulk said "Puny God" afterwards. I was laughing my ass off as well.

Oh wait, I misread and I thought you were talking about when Hulk handed Loki his ass. My bad.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 9:49 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2012 9:48:35 AM

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"Having said that, Watchmen was not very good... and I really wanted it to be good."

I can totally understand that sentiment, honestly. It's not that I fully agree, but Watchmen was VERY stylized and that just doesn't appeal to everyone. Also, general awareness and knowledge of the Watchmen was way lower than things like Batman or The Avengers.

The Batman movies are well done and even though they have a darker style, they still appeal to a very broad audience. I think a lot of 25-45 year old guys like that dark style because it seems to have a little more "serious" feeling to it.

The Avengers lead-in movies and the Avengers have clearly taken a different stance. They are more lighthearted, aimed at a broader audience and are based on characters that were written as sardonic and silly in their comics. It's true to form.

I think it's pretty obvious, that if you go into something that is being marketed as action/humor expecting it to be something that is more serious, then you're going to be disappointed. To say this movie was in any way lackluster just demonstrates a lack of objective perspective on what it was intended to be. I feel certain that all the cheesy, silly things that happened in this movie were done intentionally. Like was said above, the box office does not lie in this case. It is the most successful movie of all time in an opening weekend. We'll have a chance this summer to see if The Dark Knight Rises can even hold a candle to it. I don't think it will unless the person playing Bane dies prior to release.

5/9/2012 9:59:20 AM

I wanna high five KillaB right now.



This guy gets it

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 11:11 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2012 11:09:06 AM