i guess it's a moot point since the jurors didn't hear anything about it.

6/27/2013 4:51:48 PM

She was a prosecutions witness, right?

6/27/2013 5:02:34 PM

yes.

6/27/2013 5:04:25 PM

ha... makes the healthy breasted witness walk around the courtroom.

6/27/2013 5:22:03 PM

God damn. CNN is playing racial flash cards.

6/27/2013 6:08:16 PM

Prosecution witness again corroborating Zimmerman's account (John Good).

6/28/2013 10:30:06 AM

The quote that may end the Trayvon Martin trial:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/trayvon-martin-trial-quote-police-interview?src=soc_fcbks

6/28/2013 10:36:32 AM

There is a 0% chance he is convicted and he will live the rest of his days a rich man living off of media deals, book deals and staunch conservative donation.

Not a bad deal..

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 10:40 AM. Reason : X]

6/28/2013 10:40:36 AM

^^You should send that to the prosecution to shore-up the already stellar courtroom they're running.

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 10:41 AM. Reason : -]

6/28/2013 10:40:52 AM

^ LOL yeah they are fucking it up pretty good.

6/28/2013 10:53:48 AM

A few good articles on the not-quite-racist but definitely-ignorant treatment of Rachel in the media:

http://globalgrind.com/news/what-black-people-understand-about-rachel-jeantel-christina-coleman-blog

http://globalgrind.com/news/what-white-people-dont-understand-about-rachel-jeantel-trayvon-martin-blog

http://www.salon.com/2013/06/27/the_smearing_of_rachel_jeantel/

6/28/2013 12:07:21 PM

Quote :

"How could they expect her to be able to read cursive? That's straight foolish."

First, she's of Haitian descent and her first language is Creole, not English. Second, the American public school system is shitty enough without even stepping into the kind we tend to shove black youths in.

But hey, THUG on the stand, flappin her big THUG lips mumbling her THUG dialect and not showing the requisite respect she should show to the NON-THUG lawyer trying to box her in and trip her up and make a fool of her.

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 12:15 PM. Reason : .]

6/28/2013 12:09:10 PM

Yeah that's what I meant.

6/28/2013 12:14:44 PM

Oh okay lol

6/28/2013 12:15:11 PM

Read all of those posts yesterday.

They all make it sound that if you thought she wasn't an utter disaster for the Prosecution you are a racist. Some people at work yesterday who were black were even saying she was a disaster.

6/28/2013 12:31:52 PM

Quote :

"First, she's of Haitian descent and her first language is Creole, not English. "

lol she testified yesterday that she learned english and creole (or whatever it is) at the same time, talks with her parents in english, and has lived in the us speaking english her whole life. She acted offended when the defense lawyer asked her if she ever had trouble understanding english.

6/28/2013 12:32:24 PM

She was bad even for a black witness.

That's the best racist way to say it isn't a racial observation.

6/28/2013 12:34:26 PM

Quote :

"She acted offended when the defense lawyer asked her if she ever had trouble understanding english."

Rightfully so.

Quote :

"Some people at work yesterday who were black were even saying she was a disaster."

Did they say why?

Quote :

"She was bad even for a black witness."

How so?

6/28/2013 12:40:20 PM

So is this the only witness to have actually seen the altercation between Zimmerman and Martin?

Quote :

"Taking the stand Thursday, John Good said he was at home watching television with his wife when he heard a "faint noise" that seemed to be getting closer. He said he saw the person on top of another man. The man on the bottom, who he said he now believes is George Zimmerman, yelled for help. "At first it was "What's going on," and no one answered,' " Good said, describing calling out for the men. "And then at that point the person on the bottom, I could finally see, I heard a 'help.' Then at some point I said 'Cut it out.' And then, 'I'm calling 911.' That's when I thought it was getting really serious." Then, he said, the altercation seemed to escalate. The struggle moved to the cement pathway, and he said the person in dark clothing straddled the other man in "mixed martial arts position" he later described to police as a "ground and pound." He said he saw "arm movements going downward," though he couldn't be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom. "The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara. "He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?" "That's what it looked like," Good answered."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57591520-504083/george-zimmerman-trial-neighbor-testifies-trayvon-martin-was-straddling-zimmerman-moments-before-fatal-gunshot/

6/28/2013 12:49:25 PM

Quote :

"First, she's of Haitian descent and her first language is Creole, not English."

then why would she be "rightfully offended" for being asked if she had trouble understanding english? i want to hear how well she speaks creole before making that assumption, anyway.

6/28/2013 1:04:00 PM

Still doesnt say who started it.

And maybe that doesn't matter. Say you pick a fist fight, start getting your ass kicked, realize it could be serious and fear for your life and shoot the guy. Is that really legal self defense.

I'm ignorant to the law so I'm curious and I'm not saying that's what Zimmerman did.

6/28/2013 1:05:01 PM

i don't know that's a tough one but lets look at the evidence and testimony so far...

Jeantel testifies that Martin was being followed by Zimmerman. Martin says to Zimmerman "Why are you following me?". Zimmerman responds "What are you doing out here?". Jeantel testifies that she then heard a thump sounds of what she thought was the bluetooth headset Martin was wearing being drug or rustled against wet grass. Martin had no injuries except for the gun shot wound and lesions on his hands and knuckles. Zimmerman had no injuries on his hands, but did have injuries to his face and head. The testimony and evidence points towards Martin throwing the first punch or all the punches for that matter. In fact it looks as if he connected quite well, Zimmerman fell back, Martin jumped on him, straddled him and continued punching him in the face. Testimony and evidence supports this scenario. I think what is going to come into question is whether Zimmerman provoked Martin to throw the first punch. From Jeantel's testimony it's hard to say. Is following someone and questioning that person about what they are doing enough provocation to warrant a physical assault?

6/28/2013 1:19:22 PM

Wasn't there one small abrasion 1/4 inch in size on one knuckle (ring finger)?

The media has bed abhorrent showing 12 year old Martin and portraying him as a helpless kid but this "bloody knuckles" thing they pushed is equally as disingenuous.

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 1:26 PM. Reason : D]

6/28/2013 1:23:58 PM

The typical response to that is, "The cops told him not to follow Trayvon, and now someone is dead."

Case closed.

On the other hand John Good testified today that he witnessed the early stages of the fight and ran back inside when it got serious. By get serious he means "MMA style" with Trayvon on top beating the living shit out of Zimmerman.

Certain users here are fine with that however, seeing as Zimmerman was asking for it by disregarding police instructions, and should have taken it like a man regardless of what injuries he might sustain.

On the other hand, who cares about all that anyway? That might have made for an exciting case with a lesser charge, but not 2nd degree murder.

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 1:27 PM. Reason : -]

6/28/2013 1:25:22 PM

He's got miracle knuckles/fists if that story is correct..

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/120687039/Trayvon%20Martin%20autopsy%20report

Full autopsy confirms what I said

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 1:29 PM. Reason : X]

6/28/2013 1:27:00 PM

Speaking of "abhorrent media" what about that commercial that HLN has been running that shows 1 of 2 dark figures moving in the rainy night like some kind of god damn movie promotion?

Slow motion even.

6/28/2013 1:29:16 PM

Quote :

"The struggle moved to the cement pathway, and he said the person in dark clothing straddled the other man in "mixed martial arts position" he later described to police as a "ground and pound." He said he saw "arm movements going downward," though he couldn't be certain the person on top was striking the person on the bottom. "The person you now know to be Trayvon Martin was on top, correct?" asked defense attorney Mark O'Mara. "He was the one raining blows down on George Zimmerman, correct?" "That's what it looked like," Good answered.""

Is there anyone who still believes that texts Trayvon sent about his recreational fighting aren't relevant to the trial?

Would you still believe that with GZ in jail?

6/28/2013 2:39:51 PM

Again it's a simple question, if he was "raining blows" on GZ how, on the autopsy report, was only one small abrasion on one knuckle the only damage done to Martin.

6/28/2013 2:45:55 PM

Well, I think its safe to say that George's face wasn't busted up by himself. Exactly what Trayvon did to George to cause those injuries may be debatable, but I think its pretty obvious he was the cause. I also don't know how a body bruises post mortum. If you are punching someone, then you die immediately after, I would expect the tissue and blood required to inflame and discolor the skin may not act in the manner it would if your heart was still pumping.

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

6/28/2013 2:54:30 PM

I'm not saying he didn't shove GZ into the cement like has been talked about but that isn't what today's testimony from Good implied.

** current testimony from officer stating GZs clothes far more wet on back then front help defense more than anything so far imo

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 3:03 PM. Reason : X]

6/28/2013 2:56:59 PM

Quote :

"if he was "raining blows" on GZ how, on the autopsy report, was only one small abrasion on one knuckle the only damage done to Martin."

I would imagine that conclusions about the autopsy would be offered by an expert in the courtroom.

6/28/2013 3:32:05 PM

what i've read so far, these witnesses suck. they're all either flip-flopping their stories (regardless of their intentions, they still kill their own credibility) or don't seem to be able to describe anything specific/useful. it must have just been raining that hard/that dark where all this actually went down...

it makes this case mud... just brings out so many armchair judges that assume so much about things they have zero concrete evidence to support, on both sides of the case

6/28/2013 3:35:23 PM

Those blows could have been blocked too right? Not everyone of them had to land on his face.

6/28/2013 3:36:06 PM

Trayvon also could have just punched Zimmerman once knocking him to the ground, thus Zimmerman's bloody face and looks to be broken nose, then started slamming his head into the concrete, per Zimmerman's testimony, thus no more injuries to Trayvon's knuckles. This case does suck though. No real concrete evidence to support Trayvon and with the wishy washy witness testimony several scenarios could have played out. at this point I don't see how the jury can find Zimmerman guilty.

6/28/2013 3:44:48 PM

My question is regardless of anyone's thoughts on Zimmerman's guilt do you think there will be some civil unrest if the jury acquits him?

6/28/2013 3:49:12 PM

I don't.

6/28/2013 3:52:40 PM

I predict minor grumblings and every media outlet finding black people to interview in hopes of finding their own Charles Ramsey/Sweet Brown/etc...

6/28/2013 3:56:24 PM

ZIMMERMAN STARTED TO TRAIN WITH MMA?!?!OMGWTFBBQ

[Edited on June 28, 2013 at 4:51 PM. Reason : There is not much to be learned here]

6/28/2013 4:51:27 PM

some people think so

Quote :

"Following a number of tweets making threats to kill white people if George Zimmerman is acquitted of murdering Trayvon Martin, a former Chicago police officer warns that the outcome of the case could spark race riots in cities across America."

http://www.infowars.com/ex-chicago-cop-zimmerman-acquittal-to-cause-race-riots/

I'm a bit concerned about this especially living in Houston and being white/hispanic but I conceal carry so I'm not too worried.

6/28/2013 4:52:11 PM

Quote :

"Again it's a simple question, if he was "raining blows" on GZ how, on the autopsy report, was only one small abrasion on one knuckle the only damage done to Martin."

a 1" x 1/2" gash on his forefinger knuckle is by no means a small abrasion. He was probably throwing all of his punches with his dominant hand (right hand) and only using his left hand to balance himself if he was in a ground and pound with Zimmerman trying to roll out of it.

The only part that strikes me as odd is how Zimmerman managed to shoot Martin squarely in the chest from the front and not the side. Either Martin was trying to throw haymakers at Zimmerman and gave him entirely too much distance while on top to maneuver, or Zimmerman shot Martin when Martin was no longer on top of him. I can't imagine Zimmerman trying to wedge a pistol between himself and Martin on top of him while in a close ground fight.

6/28/2013 6:18:48 PM

^ I'm thinking Zimmerman was able to block the punching/thrashing with one arm for a moment and aim. Maybe a bit of luck was part of it too.

6/28/2013 7:59:40 PM

no aiming is necessary at that distance, just draw and shoot.

6/28/2013 8:31:56 PM

Quote :

"First, she's of Haitian descent and her first language is Creole, not English. Second, the American public school system is shitty enough without even stepping into the kind we tend to shove black youths in. "

I thought the big issue was that she was not even capable of reading a letter she sent to Trayvon's mother. I don't think the issue was simply over her reading ability.

6/28/2013 8:46:48 PM

^^^^ it says a small 1/4-1/8 inch abrasion on one knuckle.

I guess abrasion is ambiguos a bit but it doesn't seem like be bad a gaping wound.

I'll reiterate that I believe Zimmerman can and should walk based on what can be proved but I don't buy his account 100% at all.

6/28/2013 10:19:18 PM

Fuck, Kill, Marry:

1.

2.

3.



[Edited on June 29, 2013 at 12:33 AM. Reason : my answer is the obvious one, to each his own. ]

6/29/2013 12:31:10 AM

totally relevant

good job

6/29/2013 1:14:29 AM

Zimmerman is a moron, and he should have never gotten out of the car.....however in the name of clear judicial objectivity...

The state has not met their burden, they over charged.

There is reasonable doubt

And GZ should be found not guilty due to said reasonable doubt.

6/29/2013 4:59:05 AM

Turns out I was wrong earlier. In Florida, manslaughter is a lesser included charge of murder 2, so the jury can still vote to acquit him of murder 2 and convict him of manslaughter. Still stand by my statement that no one would be happy with such a misdemeanor conviction, but it's still possible. Of course, the way the states witnesses are working out they'll be lucky to convict him of jay walking when he got out of the car.

6/29/2013 10:03:18 AM

i don't think there's any way in hell this should be murder 2. Maaaaaybe manslaughter. Probably nothing.

6/29/2013 10:14:18 AM

Certainly nothing in a stand your ground state. Maybe something in another state.

Which is why stand your ground should be reconsidered. The dude went after trouble.

6/29/2013 11:31:57 PM