I said "doesn't justify knocking her unconscious," but you'd be within your rights to hit her back.

[Edited on September 8, 2014 at 2:55 PM. Reason : ]

9/8/2014 2:54:37 PM

the good thing is he didn't kill a dog. Shewwww.

9/8/2014 2:55:14 PM

I think you're wrong on this thing Astral...Her hitting him doesn't and will NEVER justify a man knocking his SOS or any woman unconcious. That's not defense...he is being offensive.

You're wrong and condoning domestic abuse.

You're saying a woman, no matter the circumstances, as soon as she throws a punch she should watch out because that's grounds to get her ass beat.

That's exactly what you're saying...OHHH YOU DONE IT NOW WOMAN.

[Edited on September 8, 2014 at 2:57 PM. Reason : f]

9/8/2014 2:56:27 PM

Think she is regretting staying with him now that he will not get $Paid?

9/8/2014 3:00:42 PM

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"I said "doesn't justify knocking her unconscious," but you'd be within your rights to hit her back."

good luck with that

9/8/2014 3:02:13 PM

I generally take a neutral stance on "victim blaming" (there's some truth to not walking through bad neighborhoods, etc), but don't hit, spit on, choke out a woman no matter what. not even if it's Ronda Rousey "provoking" you

that said, I find it quite laughable that she married him anyhow. if she did it for the $laftabucks, sucks to be her.

9/8/2014 3:03:24 PM

Just want to make sure none of us are being sexist here, can we all agree that if a 5', 110 lb adult man hit Rice first, that Rice wouldn't have been justified in retaliating

9/8/2014 3:07:34 PM

Totally different situation.

TOTALLY.

That being said...that situation is STILL covered in the law. The law dropped the ball here, obviously, but still a different situation as defined by law.

9/8/2014 3:09:55 PM

The law did what it always does in a situation like this. He was a first time offender and the woman didn't want to prosecute. They pretty much followed protocol.

9/8/2014 3:32:56 PM

Gonna update this shit...I went back to 1990. Because I was bored at work and when I got going, it was kinda neat to go back through the old draft classes and stuff.

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"Starting with the 2012 draft (when Richardson was picked), I went all the way back to the 2000 draft. In those 13 draft classes, 39 running backs were drafted in the first round. Trent Richardson comes in at dead fucking last in yards per carry with a whopping 3.3 yards per tote (461 career carries). Furthermore, of the 39 RBs selected in the 1st round, only 9 averaged less than 4.0 YPA. Trent Richardson, 2012 (3.3 YPA, 461 carries) Jahvid Best, 2010 (3.7 YPA, 255 carries) Rashard Mendenhall, 2008 (3.9 YPA, 1081 carries) Cedric Benson, 2005 (3.8 YPA, 1600 carries) Cadillac Williams, 2005 (3.8 YPA, 1055 carries) Chris Perry, 2004 (3.4 YPA, 177 carries) William Green, 2002 (3.7 YPA, 568 carries) TJ Duckett, 2002 (3.9 YPA, 717 carries) Ron Dayne, 2000 (3.8 YPA, 983 carries) It's certainly feasible that Richardson could pass Chris Perry this year, but it'd take a pretty significant jump for him to get past anybody else on this list...after Perry, the next closest is 3.7 YPA. It's also interesting to note that Trent Richardson, through his first two seasons had 455 carries. Of the other 8 players that averaged less than 4.0 YPA, only Cadillac Williams had more carries in his first two seasons (515). In conclusion, Trent Richardson is hot garbage. Doing this, I stumbled over some names I hadn't seen in a really long time. Kevin Jones, Jahvid Best, Laurence Maroney....to name a few. I may go back a few years further to see if anybody else can challenge Richardson."

So now it looks like this:

Starting in 1990 and going all the way to 2012, there have been 71 RBs (and one guy listed as FB, who I went ahead and counted too, so call it 72) taken in the 1st round.

Of those 72, 26 have averaged less than 4.0 yards per attempt.
Trent Richardson, 2012 (3.3 YPA, 461 carries)
Jahvid Best, 2010 (3.7 YPA, 255 carries)
Rashard Mendenhall, 2008 (3.9 YPA, 1081 carries)
Cedric Benson, 2005 (3.8 YPA, 1600 carries)
Cadillac Williams, 2005 (3.8 YPA, 1055 carries)
Chris Perry, 2004 (3.4 YPA, 177 carries)
William Green, 2002 (3.7 YPA, 568 carries)
TJ Duckett, 2002 (3.9 YPA, 717 carries)
Ron Dayne, 2000 (3.8 YPA, 983 carries)
Curtis Enis, 1998 (3.3 YPA)
Robert Edwards, 1998 (3.9 YPA)
John Avery, 1998 (3.5 YPA)
Antowain Smith, 1997 (3.9 YPA)
Lawrence Phillips, 1996 (3.4 YPA)
Eddie George, 1996 (3.6 YPA)
Ki-Jana Carter, 1995 (3.6 YPA)
Tyrone Wheatley, 1995 (3.9 YPA)
Rashaan Salaam, 1995 (3.6 YPA)
Jerome Bettis, 1993 (3.9 YPA)
Tommy Vardell, 1992 (3.5 YPA)
Tony Smith, 1992 (3.8 YPA) [interesting enough, Tony Smith is the only person by the name "Tony Smith" to ever play in the NFL]
Vaughn Dunbar, 1992 (3.5 YPA)
Leonard Russell, 1991 (3.4 YPA)
Harvey Williams, 1991 (3.9 YPA)
Darrell Thompson, 1990 (3.5 YPA)
Rodney Hampton, 1990 (3.8 YPA)

So 1998 draftee Curtis Enis, out of Penn State, is the only other player to average 3.3 YPA as a 1st round draft pick. He lasted 3 years in the league (36 total games) and had 456 career carries. Compared to Trent Richardson's 461 career carries so far. Another interesting note on Enis. In 1998 and 1999 he is listed as RB. In 2000 he is listed as FB. He was picked 5th overall by the Bears (comparable to Richardson going 3rd). Judging by his wiki page injuries really curtailed his career. After just 1 NFL start he tore a ligament in his knee.

I would love to find a sortable list of every NFL RB ever (who has more than, say, 200 carries) and sort by YPA to find the absolute worst.

9/8/2014 3:53:22 PM

Someone tell the NFL they should create a public API to their massive records database.

9/8/2014 4:00:23 PM

pro-football-reference.com is pretty awesome. but it's not exhaustive dammit

9/8/2014 4:04:04 PM

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"I would love to find a sortable list of every NFL RB ever (who has more than, say, 200 carries) and sort by YPA to find the absolute worst"

Worst yards/attempt:
- Of all time with at least 200 carries: Sid Luckman (-1.17, 204 att)
- SB era with at least 200 carries: Dan Marino (0.29, 301 att)
- RB with at least 200 carries all time: Lee Bouggess (2.57, 271 att)
- RB with at least 400 carries all time: Michael Haddix (3.01, 543 att)
- RB with at least 600 carries all time: Bill Brown (3.38, 1079 att)

Haddix was drafted 8th overall by the Eagles in 1983

9/8/2014 4:14:24 PM

^That's awesome man. Where'd you find that?

So basically, if Trent Richardson maintains this pace of ~3.3 YPA for another few seasons he may pass Bill Brown as RB with most carries/fewest yards. lol.

9/8/2014 4:23:30 PM

^p-f-r, just gotta know how to work with the play index on their site

Since I'm already here...worst Y/A for RBs selected in the 1st round:
Larry Stegent (8th overall in 1971 by St Louis Cardinals) - 0.0 in 0 attempts
Leo Hayden (24th overall in 1971 by Minnesota Vikings) - 1.38 in 8 attempts
Joe Marconi (6th overall in 1966 by Los Angeles Rams) - 1.67 in 3 attempts
Harry Jones (19th overall in 1967 by Philadelphia Eagles) - 1.93 in 44 attempts
Dick Leftridge (3rd overall in 1966 by Pittsburgh Steelers) - 2.13 in 8 attempts
Phil King (12th overall in 1958 by New York Giants) - 2.35 in 17 attempts
Tom Moore (5th overall in 1960 by Green Bay Packers) - 2.39 in 157 attempts
George Amundson (14th overall in 1973 by Houston Oilers) - 2.62 in 74 attempts
Paul Hornung (1st overall in 1957 by Green Bay Packers) - 2.63 in 76 attempts
Mike Hull (16th overall in 1968 by Chicago Bears) - 2.69 in 77 attempts
Bill Thomas (26th overall in 1972 by Dallas Cowboys) - 2.77 in 13 attempts
The aforementioned Michael Haddix (3.01 in 543 attempts, 66 more attempts than the above players combined for)

9/8/2014 4:29:37 PM

I've been punched by several women and never retaliated.

9/8/2014 4:35:44 PM

^^Cool. Looks like we've successfully answered TT10's question...and helped my Monday feel more productive than it actually was.

9/8/2014 4:37:47 PM

This isn't a "who got punched by the most women" contest.



Because if it was, I would win. Like thousands of women.

9/8/2014 4:50:00 PM

technically she got punched, came at him, got punched again

9/8/2014 4:51:16 PM

My favorite was when I told this one wench no one would ever want to rape her.

She got me pretty good under the chin.

9/8/2014 5:01:01 PM

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=620196&page=22

9/8/2014 5:55:49 PM

ATTN USERS WITH LESS THAN 1k POST

^stfu

9/8/2014 7:06:28 PM

I don't understand how the NFL is just now seeing the Ray Rice video. I saw it on TMZ or one of those hollywood news shows about 2 weeks ago.

9/8/2014 7:38:14 PM

Calvin Johnson...doing what Calvin Johnson does.

9/8/2014 7:38:21 PM

^^ no, you didn't

[Edited on September 8, 2014 at 7:50 PM. Reason : I guess you don't realize that there are two videos?]

9/8/2014 7:43:52 PM

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"^stfu"

because i'm trying to draw attention to the fact that the more newsworthy story that broke today is the fact that penn state got off easier than USC did from the reggie bush scandal despite an institutional cover-up of child rape that occurred for decades?

edit: and don't get me wrong. ray rice deserves to be beaten within an inch of his life and left outside an emergency room with an appointment scheduled to get fitted for dentures the next day. but still.

[Edited on September 8, 2014 at 7:57 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2014 7:55:58 PM

didn't realize there are (2) videos

9/8/2014 8:38:02 PM

Well apparently TMZ has proof that the Ravens and NFL have seen it before today and were aware of the video.

This could be damning for Goodell.

9/8/2014 8:40:00 PM

not trying to be dramatic, but sometimes a wild punch can end everything. he's lucky he didn't kill her

9/8/2014 8:40:20 PM

wtf dingus

1) wrong thread

2) NO, NOONE deserves that

fucking moron

9/8/2014 8:46:57 PM

holy shit...looks like he held onto the INT. what a catch

9/8/2014 8:55:40 PM

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"This could be damning for Goodell."

The NFL has to have a better "image" man and I'm not sure if Goodell is just ignorant or cocky to think that he could let it be the official position that they never saw this video or were happy t

ITS AN ATLANTIC CITY CASINO

If this was a nicolas cage movie and they didnt immediately go the videotape it would be the most glaring plothole to ever exist in a movie after the fact that water was a weapon in Signs

9/8/2014 8:59:32 PM

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"1) wrong thread"

oh sorry. thought this was the thread where everyone was talking about ray rice

9/8/2014 9:20:12 PM

Quote :

"because i'm trying to draw attention to the fact that the more newsworthy story that broke today is the fact that penn state got off easier than USC did from the reggie bush scandal despite an institutional cover-up of child rape that occurred for decades?"

was obviously in reference to the BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS GUYS in the quote above, there's nothing to say about that because it has literally nothing to do with the NFL and how they discipline their players

9/8/2014 9:35:56 PM

the problem with getting rid of Goodell and thinking that's a cure all is the 32 owners will appoint another Goodell


[Edited on September 8, 2014 at 9:51 PM. Reason : /]

9/8/2014 9:49:17 PM

Maybe someone should go into the MLB thread & question why they aren't discussing the Russia/Ukraine conflict more in that thread as well?

9/8/2014 9:50:41 PM

I don't actually believe they'll get rid of Goodell without smoking gun audiotape of him saying "these fucking fans, I do what I want" or something like that

9/8/2014 9:53:09 PM

why is the new Ray Rice video creating so much controversy? The video that came out immediately following the incident showed Rice dragging her limp body out of the elevator after having knocked her out inside the elevator. Did people not assume that Ray hit her pretty hard to knock her unconscious?

9/8/2014 9:57:43 PM

Somebody, not sure if it was Rice or his fiance/wife, claimed she was pushed and hit her head on the rail which knocked her out. Not that that was really believable, but it was the official defense story.

9/8/2014 9:59:53 PM

I could be wrong, but I thought the original story (that she willingly went along with) was that he barely hit her but she fell and hit her head on the railing. The second video is obviously much different.

9/8/2014 10:00:31 PM

This Berman/Dilfer broadcast is the stuff of legends.

9/8/2014 11:46:26 PM

Anyone still have the Rivers laser eyes/baby throwing/ducking gif?

9/9/2014 12:11:52 AM

Chargers could have used that game with the Seahawks coming up next. Not the best start to the season. Surprised at how good the Cardinals D looked given all that they're missing right now. On the plus side...I thought the Chargers D looked much better than last year.

9/9/2014 8:13:20 AM

ELI MANNING NEEDS HELP!!!
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11492508/new-york-giants-eli-manning-need-helping-hand

9/9/2014 10:52:29 AM

I'd rather believe that than the other potential explanation: the Lions are actually good

9/9/2014 6:30:19 PM

AP reporting that the NFL had the video 3 months ago

9/10/2014 5:00:49 PM

bye.gif commish

9/10/2014 5:18:27 PM

he gone

9/10/2014 6:02:10 PM

So an anonymous officer claims he released the video to an anonymous NFL official?

9/10/2014 6:07:33 PM

AP is reporting it...seems like they'd be pretty damn credible.

9/10/2014 6:14:37 PM