60 points on Denver's defense

I don't really recall any TWWers doing this (maybe one or two), more people on my facebook feed...but I wonder if any of the people who were like "rawr how dare the Panthers let Steve Smith go, I'm no longer a fan of this team" are fans again?

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1/27/2016 9:10:02 AM

i say good riddance. he was holding us back.

1/27/2016 10:04:13 AM

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"but I wonder if any of the people who were like "rawr how dare the Panthers let Steve Smith go, I'm no longer a fan of this team" are fans again?"

i'm like the exact opposite of these people. i started caring about the panthers again once they got rid of that shithead.

1/27/2016 10:05:52 AM

https://www.facebook.com/IsheSugarShay/videos/504790143058347/

1/27/2016 11:01:06 PM

Does anyone on here really think people don't like Cam because he's black?

1/28/2016 10:52:34 AM

yes. he's not only black, he's black at a position dominated by boring white dudes. he's cocky and he has fun. old white men hated Ali for being black and cocky (as well as his position on the military and conversion to islam)

I mean, I doubt these people are actively racists, going out of their way to discriminate against minorities. But a large majority of the hate he gets is do to his skin color, his attitude only makes it easier.

NO ONE hated Rodgers for his championship belt celebration. No one hated Cousins for yelling "YOU LIKE THAT!"

But Cam dances and he's horrible, doesn't play the game the right way etc.

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1/28/2016 11:04:44 AM

yes i think there's definitely something to it.

1/28/2016 11:06:18 AM

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/two-awesome-panthers-fans-create-the-undisputed-super-bowl-anthem/

1/28/2016 11:12:48 AM

They don't like him for the same reason they don't like players like Manziel, Terrel Owens, Ray Lewis, etc.:

1) Because they're really good (Manziel in college)

2) Because they're cocky and they show it

You're universally loved if you're really good and not cocky. Peyton Manning, Michael Jordan, Derek Jeter, Barry Sanders (holy shit, two black guys!), Joe Montana, etc. People hate on winners, but they can't actively hate until the person gives them a reason too...like showboating.

It's really that simple. I'm normally on the side of people making it a race issue...but it simply isn't the case here.

People really liked Randal Cunningham, btw...and they obviously like Russell Wilson as well.

1/28/2016 11:25:55 AM

eh, it's definitely about race to some people, no doubt (thug newton). but to others, it's not.

(and michael jordan wasn't cocky?!!? but i know what you mean.)

1/28/2016 11:28:49 AM

Michael Jordan talked shit...but he didn't yell and scream after every dunk (he did give a few stare downs) or throw up three fingers after every made three.

He was cocky...but didn't showboat nearly as much as other NBA players. I think you can easily say that Cam Newton showboats more than any player in the NFL right now...probably in history.

1/28/2016 11:31:10 AM

Chad Johnson and plenty of other wideouts did a lot more showboating than Cam. But they're just wide receivers. Some people think "well a QB is the leader, he shouldn't do that" which is also a part of it

Also, they hate us cause they anus

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 11:35 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 11:33:22 AM

Any player you can think of do a set routine after every first down? EVERY. SINGLE. FIRST. DOWN.


And yes...the 2nd part of the formula is being very good. If Cam sucked, then people would just laugh. People are haters.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 11:36 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 11:35:54 AM

You realize it's every single rushing first down, not every time he throws a pass, right?

and there was actually one time when he didn't do it, maybe in the Giants game, on the game winning drive, because he knew he didn't have time to do it. so technically not every time!

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 11:41 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 11:38:36 AM

you can't compare how people expect an NBA player to act with how people expect an NFL QB to act

anyways, Steph Curry is just as cocky as Cam and he's universally loved

you can act however you want when you're a transcendent athlete

1/28/2016 11:38:45 AM

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"probably in history"

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 11:42 AM. Reason : also jbrick83 said it has nothing to do with race. shut 'er down. he must be right.]

1/28/2016 11:41:13 AM

well...obviously not every person that dislikes Newton is a raging, cross-burning racist. but it's obvious, to me, that there's an element of racial undertone to some of the hate he gets. Tom Brady loses his shit on the sideline and it's because he's a fiery competitor. Cam Newton dances a little too long after a TD and he's a thug. the double standard is dumb as fuck. the QB position is traditionally a white position where you don't see a ton of "flashy" behavior. which is why a guy like Russell Wilson or Teddy Bridgewater don't get the hate that Newton does even though they're all black. it's not an overt racist attitude toward him. maybe it's more of a cultural thing than strictly black/white racism. but i think it definitely exists to a degree.

i think this article does a good job of describing my feelings http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14559236/carolina-panthers-quarterback-cam-newton-unlike-qb-nfl

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"LET'S BE CLEAR: Nobody is suggesting that Cam Newton is Jackie Robinson. But within locker rooms, he is viewed as a figure of cultural significance. He came along when black quarterbacks, a group traditionally viewed as monolithic in the NFL, were in danger of being relegated (once again) to catching punts and running routes. Vince Young, taken No. 3 by the Titans in '06, could not transition from college to pro. JaMarcus Russell, just the second African-American quarterback to be chosen No. 1 overall, set the Raiders back several years after they picked him in the 2007 draft. Michael Vick had spent 21 months in prison. If Russell's only sin had been ineffective quarterbacking, maybe Newton would have had less of a burden to bear. But not only was Russell bad, he was also lazy, more interested in clubs than craft. There had been many, many draft busts before him, but JaMarcus Russell's failure so enraged the league that it created a rookie salary structure to protect its teams from any future JaMarcus Russells."

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"During an interview with a team psychologist of an AFC North team at the combine, Newton was asked whether he sees himself more as a cat or a dog. When he suggested that the question was not relevant and that he saw himself more as a human being, he was immediately asked whether he had a problem with authority. "African-American quarterbacks get analyzed in ways that others don't," Moon says. "We've dispelled a lot of those myths, but not all.""

we all know that nfl teams can be fucking nuts in their pre-draft interviews but the dog/cat thing is just dumb as hell.

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"THEY WERE STILL driving around Auburn -- Cecil, Whitfield, Moon, Cam and his brother CJ -- when someone from the Buffalo Bills called. It was late afternoon, and several of the team's decision-makers wanted to have dinner with Cam. "What do you have to wear?" Moon asked. "I've got my dark UnderArmour sweatsuit or my gray UnderArmour sweatsuit," Cam said. Nobody said anything, and by this point he knew what the silence in the car meant. You can't give in; you can't give them what they expect. He had to fight the campaign, and that meant being better-dressed and better-prepared and better-mannered than anyone who came before him. "You think I should wear something different?" he asked. "You might want to make this more formal," Moon said. Cam had no objection."

also

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"Any player you can think of do a set routine after every first down? EVERY. SINGLE. FIRST. DOWN. "

i mean, yeah most WRs do some shit every single time they catch a first down pass. but it's different cause they're WRs

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 11:46 AM. Reason : n]

1/28/2016 11:44:03 AM

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"anyways, Steph Curry is just as cocky as Cam and he's universally loved "

I've heard people talk about this, and I do think its interesting. Steph is kind of anomaly for several reasons:

1) Baby face

2) He's undersized. People have never seen a short, skinny kid dominate the way he is dominating (he's actually not that short, but his slight frame makes him seem smaller). You could probably add the baby-face to this as well. He's the consummate underdog.

3) To add to the underdog, no one ever thought he'd be even close to this good. He was thought to be a heavy reach at the 7th pick. He was never recruited to big school. On and on...

Steph is in a unique situation. And to be honest...I'm in the minority, but I'm kind of a hater. I think he showboats too much and gets away with it for the above reasons. I think Lebron gets way too much flak and Steph gets zero.

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"i mean, yeah most WRs do some shit every single time they catch a first down pass. but it's different cause they're WRs"

WRs do it often...but they don't do it every time the way Cam does it. I honestly didn't start to watch a lot of Panthers games until this year. I remember seeing Cam do the first routine a couple times and thinking to myself..."does he really do this after every single [rushing] first down? no way." Then there was a scramble for three yards on a second and 2 in the third quarter of a game that was fairly out of reach, and he did it...and I just thought it was hilarious. Personally, I don't hate it, but I can easily see why other people are annoyed. Just the way they were annoyed when TO did it all the time or Ray Lewis would do his sack dance. If you're not a fan of the team, people dislike great players and they hate it when they showboat.

I actually think its funny seeing Panthers fans be so defensive about it. You should be happy that you have a great player and that people are hating.



I'm standing by my, "in history" comment because I've never seen someone do a set routine after every single [rushing] first down. The only comparison might be a defensive guy that does the same dance after a sack. At the same time, I bet if Ray Lewis got three or four sacks a game like Newton has rushing first downs, that he probably would only save his dance for the one or two big sacks...or just tone it down in general.

There have been plenty of showboaters throughout NFL history...but the way Newton makes sure he does his first down routine, Superman thing, dabbing, whatever...just shows that it's something that is always on his mind. Yeah...he didn't do it that one time against the Giants when he didn't have time, but I've also seen him do a real quick "first down" thing when they've been in the rush at the end of the half. Instead of, "got the first down, lets get back to the line", he actually takes a second and goes, "got the first down, quick flip of the ball, pose, okay, lets get back to the line." It's quite ridiculous.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 11:59 AM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 11:53:09 AM

^ so much of that is attributed to the fact that they're playing an extremely demanding physical sport. A football game/season/career is a grind and players have to do whatever it takes to get themselves pumped up between plays. I tend to let a lot of the on the field stuff slide due to that fact but the sideline stuff always gets me. The Dez type behavior is infuriating as a fan

1/28/2016 12:00:05 PM

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"anyways, Steph Curry is just as cocky as Cam and he's universally loved"

Steph also has the benefit of playing in the NBA on a west coast team. The only thing the majority of people see of Steph is his top 10 highlights. The NFL dominates. More people see Cam play full games.

How many people have NBA League Pass and are watching Steph turn around to taunt the Kings bench before the shot even goes in? Me, I love it. All athletes should be cocky showboats. It's spectacle no different than Pro-Wrestling.

1/28/2016 12:00:11 PM

^^^yeah...i don't think there's anything wrong with disliking Cam because his celebrations rub you the wrong way. that's fine. but it's beyond idiotic when people try to justify their dislike of Cam on some moral high ground..."he stole a laptop in college" "he is selfish, me-first punk" and "he has no class" or shit like that. mostly, i just wish more people would say "i don't like newton because his dancing annoys me" instead of attempting to justify it with baseless reasoning. not to mention the double standard of those same people ignoring when guys like JJ Watt dance and showboat after every sack.

in the steph curry argument, i think he is still riding the "underdog" role. everybody fell in love with him during davidson's unexpected tourney run and never expected him to be NBA MVP. so i think he has that going for him. Cam, on the other hand, was a highly rated recruit, went to the SEC, won the Heisman, won the national title, was the #1 pick.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 12:04 PM. Reason : f]

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1/28/2016 12:02:26 PM

Not really related:

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""Sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go [Donavan McNabb]," Limbaugh said. "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn't deserve. The defense carried this team." "

http://espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=1627887

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 12:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/28/2016 12:02:27 PM

if I was as good as they are at anything, there is a 0% chance I wouldn't be cocky about it

1/28/2016 12:02:39 PM

I hope when Manning throws a TD he gives a big, degeneration X SUCK IT crotch chop

1/28/2016 12:03:44 PM

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".but the way Newton makes sure he does his first down routine, Superman thing, dabbing, whatever...just shows that it's something that is always on his mind."

i don't really get this though. like i said, it's fine if the dancing annoys you. you don't have to like Cam. but why does it matter if he's thinking "can't wait to do my dance on the next run"? if he sucked and the team sucked it would be lame...but he's a great QB and he celebrates that. why is it of significance what is or is not on his mind? football players are entertainers...they don't have to be emotionless warriors bashing their heads into one another constantly

1/28/2016 12:07:50 PM

Fruity Newty Cam

1/28/2016 12:09:03 PM

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"but I've also seen him do a real quick "first down" thing when they've been in the rush at the end of the half. Instead of, "got the first down, lets get back to the line", he actually takes a second and goes, "got the first down, quick flip of the ball, pose, okay, lets get back to the line." It's quite ridiculous. "

gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one

that has never happened

1/28/2016 12:10:07 PM

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"if I was as good as they are at anything, there is a 0% chance I wouldn't be cocky about it "

I might too. But that's not what we're arguing. We're arguing that people don't like him because of it...which is true. That he's a lot more cocky (or at least shows it more) than the average NFL superstar.

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"gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this one that has never happened"

We're going to have to disagree on this one, because I remember it sticking out in my head. Granted, it wasn't end of the game shit...but I'm also not going to search for it either.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 12:11 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 12:10:19 PM

nobody disliked Aaron Rodgers for the Discount Double Check

this is why race is an absolute factor

1/28/2016 12:13:04 PM

I think if he did a discount double check every time he ran for a first down, you'd see more people dislike him. Does he even do it that much anymore? After TDs?

And personally, I think he's a little cocky. I don't dislike him, but I'm not a fan either.

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"this is why race is an absolute factor "

The common denominator for players being disliked is their behavior...not their race. There are tons of black players that are well-liked. There are white players that are disliked...and it's because of their behavior. Manziel, Romanowski, Jay Cutler...fucking Philip Rivers for crying out loud.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 12:26 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 12:23:41 PM

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"The common denominator for players being disliked is their behavior...not their race. There are tons of black players that are well-liked. There are white players that are disliked...and it's because of their behavior. Manziel, Romanowski, Jay Cutler...fucking Philip Rivers for crying out loud."

but nobody's saying people only hate black players or never dislike white players. you're not wrong about people disliking players for being cocky. i think it's kinda obvious that race plays some factor in some of the people that don't like newton...not everybody, and it's not an over the top "i hate him only because he's black". cam's held to a higher standard than anybody else in the league when it comes to TD celebrations, press conference demeanor, sideline behavior...and i think part of that is because of his race. he's taking a traditionally white, non-flashy position and bucking that idea completely.

1/28/2016 12:32:13 PM

To me, it's the first downs that put it over the top.

I could give two shits about TD celebrations...because the majority of players do them. I use to love seeing what TO could come up with. Cam's Superman is pretty solid, IMO.

But the need to have to do your first down routine after EVERY. SINGLE. [rushing] FIRST. DOWN. is a bit much. I think the people who don't like him will just start pointing to everything to prove the prove their point....ripping down opponent flags, TD celebrations, towel on his head (which is fucking retarded...what exactly is wrong with that), sideline demeanor, press conference demeanor, etc. But I think the bottom line is that he goes a little overboard...and I think he'll admit that.

People didn't start hating Manziel until he started making the money sign and in general just got way too fucking cocky. People didn't hate TO in San Fran in the early years...then he became a great WR and did the Dallas midfield thing and started going nuts in the endzone and in press conferences.

Difference in the Cam situation is that they actually did dislike him earlier...but to their defense, he had the whole "highest bidder" situation at Auburn and laptop stuff at Florida.

I guess I'm just seeing all the hate as justified...and not because of race.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 12:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 12:54:10 PM

Great explanation. You hate him because he's black.

1/28/2016 1:00:20 PM

1/28/2016 1:02:21 PM

Just noticed that that kid has two left hands and one is white.

1/28/2016 1:06:56 PM

Hands? All I see is gun violence, food stamps, and first down celebrations.

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 1:16 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 1:16:05 PM

This just in: jbrick83 has always disliked Cam Netwon.

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"They shouldn't let Cam Newton speak...he sounds like someone who would have to cheat on a test that requires you to spell your name correctly. - 11/9/2010"

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"I just came in here to post that I could care less about the Panthers. I cheer for them the majority of the time. But there are maybe 7-10 teams I like better than the Panthers. I also think Newton will be a horrible pick. - 4/28/2011"

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"Cam Newton is the only person in the league who does this after every sing first down. I'm apathetic towards the Panthers. In fact...I normally cheer for them unless they are playing against Rivers/Wilson/some-team-that-has-a-lot-of-my-fantasy-players. I just find his 1st down "celebrations" annoying as fuck and am not surprised that homer fans "see no problem with it." - 12/10/2012"

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"How do Panther's feel about Cam's 1st down celebration? If I was an opposing defender, I would lay his ass out. - 12/10/2012"

1/28/2016 1:21:07 PM

dangit, accidentally clicked on soap box again

1/28/2016 1:25:45 PM

Did I ever say that I liked him? You're trying too hard.

He's also improved at public speaking. He was abysmal in press conferences at Auburn.

I stand by my current opinion and everything I said in the past. I was definitely wrong on the draft pick...but I honestly didn't think he was a good passer at Auburn...and he was wildly in consistent in his first couple years with the Panthers. He's definitely improved and props to him for that.

1/28/2016 1:33:09 PM

at the very least you'd have to admit that it's refreshing to have a superstar QB who doesn't shy away from being himself as opposed to being a robot like Russell Wilson, right?

1/28/2016 2:10:16 PM

It's not easy to get a 1st down.

1/28/2016 2:10:51 PM

^^ Russell Wilson's a weird dude and I'm not religious. I don't even know what to think about him.

I'm a Philip River's man myself...and a ton of people think he's a fucking tool.

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"It's not easy to get a 1st down."

It's a lot easier when you're Cam Newton. Dude is a beast.



[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on January 28, 2016 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

1/28/2016 2:22:35 PM

Philip is 100% genuine

Russell is not

Cam and Phil have a lot in common when it comes to their personality

1/28/2016 2:27:34 PM

I don't know if you can say that Russell is not genuine. It's really hard to tell with extremely religious people. Like you can say all the Ciara stuff is BS...but if he's truly not fucking her...then its genuine, right?

And if he truly thinks that God has a hand in everything that happens...then when he says that God caused that interception in the SB for a reason...then that's genuine.

It's not like he's Mike Vick and thanking God for giving him another shot at playing football. He actually appears to practice what he preaches. I mean, I guess you could say that his contract/salary situation would be the one big thing that flies in the face of his godliness...but we all gotta get paid, right?

Regardless...I'm not a fan of his persona, but I love watching him play. He was a fucking blast to watch play at NC State as well...which will always make me an extra fan.

1/28/2016 2:53:24 PM

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"I'm a Philip River's man myself...and a ton of people think he's a fucking tool."

Do you think if PRiv had Cam's level of success this season he'd have the same level of controversy surrounding him?

1/28/2016 2:56:24 PM

^^i pretty much agree with what you said about RW. dude is weird and i can't tell how genuine he is..honestly, i don't really care that much. i think he does seem to care a lot more about his image and stuff like that than Rivers or Newton, for example. wilson has always been more image-conscious (and that's not a knock)...where a guy like Cam or Rivers both seem to wear their emotion on their sleeve and let their personality shine through more.

1/28/2016 3:12:56 PM

I dont know how anyone could say they don't know if Russell is genuine if they've ever heard him speak before

he's a walking cliche. look up his answer when asked about Eminem a few years ago. he's an absolute robot.

1/28/2016 3:25:17 PM

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"Do you think if PRiv had Cam's level of success this season he'd have the same level of controversy surrounding him? "

He would if he did the same shit Cam did.

1/28/2016 3:25:24 PM

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"yes. he's not only black, he's black at a position dominated by boring white dudes. he's cocky and he has fun. old white men hated Ali for being black and cocky (as well as his position on the military and conversion to islam) "

Sorry to be off topic but I want to make sure no one here actually believes that Ali became a muslim. He joined the Nation of Islam, not the actual religion of Islam. Some of their practices are based on Islamic tradition but it is only a faint resemblance.

1/28/2016 4:35:19 PM

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"Ali converted from the Nation of Islam sect to mainstream Sunni Islam in 1975."

1/28/2016 4:39:18 PM