The guy in the carjack thread did a very dangerous thing. If he has hit that guy, he would be in deep shit. Once the perp is fleeing or no longer a threat, deadly force is not an option.

10/27/2009 5:44:38 PM

SCCC meeting tomorrow at 7:30 at I Love NY Pizza




I will be at PDHSC at 5:30pm for some range time before the meeting.

10/27/2009 6:24:54 PM

Quote :

"judges interpret laws i don't think there are any judges on tww "

In most cases where this is applicable, it would be a jury of your peers interpreting the law, not a judge

10/27/2009 9:55:24 PM

the last thing the judge does before he sends the jury back to deliberate is explain the law to them

what i'm getting at is you can't use "well, my CC instructor said blah blah blah..." as a defense in court

[Edited on October 27, 2009 at 10:28 PM. Reason : dfs]

10/27/2009 10:27:24 PM

Do you still need a pistol permit to buy a handgun at a gun show?

10/29/2009 8:17:55 AM

Yes. Technically you need one for any type of transaction for a pistol.

10/29/2009 10:31:36 AM

Technically... but in practice?

10/29/2009 10:38:00 AM

Just do it. It's only 5 dollars, it's legit, and it's good for up to 5 years.

10/29/2009 10:44:01 AM

yeah- most places won't even think about selling you one without it. I would be wary of dealing with someone who did. Especially if something went wrong with the gun. Also, those would be the type so sell stolen weapons. At these things, they make it very hard for someone to sell one without a permit, but I've heard of it happening

10/29/2009 12:12:11 PM

OC thread in soap box.

10/29/2009 12:23:59 PM

Quote :

"Technically... but in practice?"

You need a pistol purchasing permit (or concealed handgun permit) in all transactions involving a handgun.
In practice all FFLs will require a purchasing permit.
In practice with private individuals, many sellers won't collect a purchasing permit from the buyer even though it's required.

10/29/2009 12:24:58 PM

From Jeremy Mayfield's auction:

http://www.ironhorseauction.com/index.php?subp=1&sct=109&pg=ap&pid=13776&ap_sub=det&det=1

* Marlin 30-30 Win. Model 336 Lever Action, SN/25123974
* Marlin 30-30 Win. Model 30A Lever Action, SN/18111743
* 410 Single Barrel, SN/22615
* Puma 454 Cal. Model M-92 Lever Action, SN/MA015306
* Winchester Big Bore Model 9422MXTR, 22 Cal. Win. Mag. Lever Action, SN/F412199
* Winchester Big Bore Model 94XTR, 375 Win. Lever Action, SN/BB007135
* Browning Model 22SLLR Gold Trigger, Lever Action, SN/70B20245
* Winchester 30-30 Octagon Barrel, Model Canadian Centennial 67, Lever Action, SN/70199
* Winchester 38 Cal. Model 1873, Lever Action, SN/269204B
* Marlin 45/70 Cal., Model 1895, Lever Action, SN/94041124
* Marlin 45/70 Cal. SS, Model 1895GS, Lever Action, SN/94217710
* Marlin 45/70 Cal., Model 1895G, Lever Action, SN/95006007
* Marlin 38 Special Cal., Model 1894 Cowboy Competition, Lever Action, SN/98218804
* New England Fire Arms Handi-Rifle (500 Cal. S/W Mag.) SN/NV271581
* Winchester SS Marine 12 Ga. 2 ¾ to 3 inch Pump, SN/L1650311
* Smith-Corona Model 03-A3 Bolt Action w/ Tasco 2.75 x 40, SN/3671430
* Remington Model 700 204 Ruger Bolt Action w/ Leupold Riftman 4-12 x 40,SN/G6432638
* Ranger 22 Cal. S/L Pump, Hammerless w/ Peep Sights, SN/125379K
* Remington Model 12-A, 22 S,L,L,R Pump, Stock has 2 Minor Cracks, SN/WR156902
* Remington Model 14 30 Cal. Pump, SN/121580
* Winchester Model 62A, 22 S,L,L,R Pump, SN/109992
* Inter Arms Model 22A.T.D 22 LR Semi-Auto, Stock Scratch on Both Sides of Stock and Forearm, SN/319982
* Beretta Model 471 Silver Hawk 12 Ga. 3 inch, 28 inch Double Barrel Single Trigger w/ Barrel Select, Screw in Chokes, SN/S08853A
* Traditions Black Powder 50 Cal., Stock has Damage to Wood
* Remington Model 870 Mag. 12 Ga. 2 ¾ inch Pump Vent Rib, SN/X082902M
* Winchester Model 70 7MM Rem. Mag. Bolt Action w/ Tasco 4-16 X 40,SN/G1606962
* Winchester Model 1897 12 Ga. 2 ¾ Shell, Pump, SN/491526
* Vanguard by Weatherby Model 300 Cal. Mag. Bolt Action, SN/VS93212
* Remington Model 1100 Vent Rib 12 Ga. 3 inch Mag., Semi-Auto, SN/M599821M
* Remington Model 1100G3 Vent Ribs, 2 ¾ / 3 Mag. Semi-Auto, SN/G3004141M
* Remington Model 105CTI Vent Ribs, 2 ¾ / 3 Mag. 3 Screw in Chokes, Semi-Auto, SN/CT007388
* Browning Model BPS 12 Ga. 3 inch Vented Ribs, 3 Screws in Chokes, Pump,SN/04907MR121
* Winchester Wells Fargo Co. 1852-1977, Model 94 30/30 Cal., Lever Action, SN/WSC13365
* Winchester Model 1892 John Wayne High Grade, 44-40 Win. Cal., Lever Action, SN/JW100H1222
* Henry Repeating Arms 70 of 500 44 Cal. Mag. Daytona 500 Great American Race, 50 Years 2-17-08 Octagon Barrel, Gold Plated, Lever Action, SN/BB27051
* Henry Repeating Arms 170 of 500, 44 Cal. Mag. Daytona 500 Great American Race 50 Years, 2-17-08, Octagon Barrel Gold Plated, Lever Action, SN/BB27336
* Taurus Model 357 Cal. Mag. Single Action Blue Steel, SN/YH329738
* Browning Ducks Unlimited 1937 – 1997 60th Year Anniversary Gold Edition,12 Ga. 3 inch Semi-Auto, DU Silver Coin, SN/060DU01137
* Blue Sky Model MI US Carbide 30 Cal. Bolt Action, SN/1902185
* Marlin Model 894, 357 Cal. Lever Action, SN/20142095
* Blue Sky Model MI US Rifle, 30 Cal. Bolt Action, SN/1419219
* Fort Knox Combination Gun Safe, w/ Humidifier

10/29/2009 12:33:51 PM

I wasn't interested in anything shady-- I just didn't want to make a trip to the Sheriff's if it wasn't necessary.

10/29/2009 1:30:18 PM

i consider attempting to buy a handgun w/o a handgun purchase permit or a concealed carry permit to be shady

10/29/2009 1:53:52 PM

yup. same here. other states might have a have a face to face exception, but NC isn't one of them.

10/29/2009 2:07:58 PM

i decided to wait to get to florida to get my concealed carry
ill be in pensacola in like two weeks

10/29/2009 7:19:08 PM

Quote :

"From Jeremy Mayfield's auction"

is this due to his suspension from NASCAR?

10/29/2009 7:41:01 PM

well, he's lost his job, so he's gotta sell off his stuff. he probably can't even pay the taxes on that house/property without a nascar ride.

10/29/2009 7:44:59 PM

cocain methamphetamine is a hell of a drug.

10/29/2009 7:54:59 PM

I put some decent optics on the AR pistol today:


Aimpoint M4 clone w/ 3x magnifier on QD mount.

[Edited on October 29, 2009 at 11:15 PM. Reason : image fail]

10/29/2009 11:14:14 PM

And, btw, the extra garbage is all off of it now.

10/29/2009 11:46:16 PM

are those Primary Arms optics on the pistol?

10/30/2009 10:32:46 AM

Yep.
http://www.primaryarms.com/product.sc?productId=18&categoryId=5

10/30/2009 11:00:56 AM

So, I got a Geissele DMR 2 stage adjustable trigger and installed it in my LWRC M6A2. To do so, I had to machine out some metal on the selector switch. I don't want to have bare metal exposed in my rifle, especially in the fire control group. Anyone have a gunsmith they can recommend to re-parkerize the selector switch? Local would be preferred but I don't mind sending it off to get it done.

10/30/2009 1:53:18 PM

Do you have access to a sand blaster?
If so you can refinish it yourself with some KG Gunkote.
I've done an 870 and some mags in Gunkote with good results.

But, buying the gunkote and airbrush won't be worth your time unless you pan on refinishing other stuff.

10/30/2009 4:14:35 PM

anything I need to know about carrying in Virginia (I have NC CHP)?

10/30/2009 4:53:05 PM

Same as here for the most part. Open carry in alcohol-serving restaurants is OK - concealed is not.
http://handgunlaw.us/states/virginia.pdf

11/1/2009 11:14:15 AM

why I have firearms:

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/6342785/

(I live pretty damn close to where this happened)

11/4/2009 8:12:54 AM

and why i keep my doors locked even when im home-

11/4/2009 8:57:58 AM

^exactly. now if I could get my roommates to follow me in that...

11/4/2009 9:11:56 AM

Their door was locked, they opened it when someone knocked.

Avent Ferry is close to a lot of us, and Campus. Hmmmm.

11/4/2009 10:38:46 AM

I'm within a hundred feet or so

11/4/2009 11:50:26 AM

Quote :

"You need a pistol purchasing permit (or concealed handgun permit) in all transactions involving a handgun. In practice all FFLs will require a purchasing permit. In practice with private individuals, many sellers won't collect a purchasing permit from the buyer even though it's required."

Actually, I've never had an FFL fail to require a permit or CCW. Ever. I've bought a pile of handguns over the years, and have friends who have bought many many more, probably adding up to hundreds of transactions with FFLs. I haven't heard of one where the buyer was not required to produce a CCW or permit. No matter whether it took place at a show or anywhere else.

I've also never met a private seller that would sell without a permit/CCW, though I guess your mileage will vary, and anyway it'd be hard to find a buyer who would publicly admit to obtaining a handgun paper-free in this state. Based upon my experiences, I can't say I concur with your assesment of "many" sellers not requiring a permit.

[Edited on November 4, 2009 at 11:55 AM. Reason : m]

11/4/2009 11:53:34 AM

"Many" is a very loose term.
Compared to the number of FFL transfers I'd say the percentage of illegal private transactions falls into the "many" category.
A lot (maybe even most) of private transactions I've known about were without a CHP or purchasing permit. That's mostly due to ill informed sellers; all of which are acquaintances or friends of the buyers.
I live in the boonies, so I'm sure it's different than your experiences.

11/4/2009 12:44:46 PM

I stopped by Gunners Alley in Cary for the first time today, to pick up a gun belt. I ended up walking out with a Comp-Tac holster and Surefire as well. Ouch. Great store, very nice guys running the place, without the usual gunstore BS I'm used to from some other local shops.

Honestly, it's more of an accessory shop. I think there were less then 10 guns behind the counter.
I know I spent a little more than if I bought the stuff online (tax etc.), but I'm kind of glad to spend the money locally.

Anyway, A+ on their customer service.

11/4/2009 6:47:16 PM

Yeah I would def. recommend them as a local source for gun belts.

11/4/2009 8:35:56 PM

Unemployment rate reported this morning at 10.5%, this story released this afternoon.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572605,00.html

11/6/2009 3:06:19 PM

Quote :

"A lot (maybe even most) of private transactions I've known about were without a CHP or purchasing permit. That's mostly due to ill informed sellers; all of which are acquaintances or friends of the buyers."

Well good, maybe the buyer really needed the gun and it's a bad law anyway.

11/9/2009 3:06:42 PM

Went out to a big bore shoot this Saturday at the RWVA home range at Ramseur. They have a pop up target range out to 500 yards. I took my fulton armory .308 titan out there hoping it fit into the big bore category. Turns out pretty much anything bigger than .22 goes. They won't turn you away since they want people to get out there and shoot. One guy was shooting an AR-15, one guy had an M1 garand (500 yards with iron sights!). Another had an FNAR standard with a Leupold Mark4 scope on it.

The course of fire was 10 rounds @200 yards slow fire standing, 10 rounds @ 200 yards rapid fire sitting, 10 rounds @ 300 yards slow sitting, and 20 rounds @ 500 yards slow fire prone.

My rifle weights about 12 lbs, most of it in the barrel. My 20" heavyweight stainless match barrel would quickly strain my arm and then I would get shaky while I held it standing and even prone. Sitting was actually really steady since I could rest my arm on my knee without it hitting the corner of the magazine. That was the problem with prone. I kept stabbing my forearm with the bottom corner of the magazine.

I did pretty well at 200 yards. 300 I fucked up my sight adjustment and went down. I still put them all on the target but very low and to the right. I realized I fucked up my sight and fixed it, and zero'd in at 500 yards. Did the 500 shoot and had a good group and then a group off to the right due to my trigger pull. My trigger is just the standard GI trigger, i.e. it sucks. I'm getting a Geissele SSA to put in my carbine and a 2 stage adjustable to go in the .308.

I think next time I might just shoot the whole thing with a bipod just to see how well the gun can do at range.

Everyone out there was pretty friendly except one dude who didn't speak to anyone really. He was a good shot but had all the fancy gear, stiff shooting jacket and such. If anyone's interested it's the first Saturday of every month. I'm going next month.

11/9/2009 3:15:47 PM

Wednesday Nov. 18th- 6:00pm
Students for Concealed Carry Range Trip
Location: PDHSC

Wednesday Nov. 18th- 7:30pm
Students for Concealed Carry and OpenCarry.Org Dinner
Location: TBD

Thursday Nov. 19th- 11:00am till 5:00pm
Students for Concealed Carry info session and informal debate
Location: Brickyard (debate at 3:00)


Tell your friends, stop by, come out, etc.

11/11/2009 10:27:32 PM

WW2 in HD coming on the History Channel sometime soon I think next week

11/11/2009 11:59:05 PM

Quote :

"(500 yards with iron sights!)"

you'd be surprised, dude. The USMC rifle qual includes prone shooting from the 500 yard line (or maybe it's 500m...I don't know. Whatever.)

I've hit 9/10 torso silhouettes (basically the outline of a man from the waist up) with a ratty old peep-sighted M-16 straight out of the armory, and I think I've gotten 8/10 with a peep-sighted M-4.


but yeah, telescopic sights are very much the preferred method out at that range, haha.

11/12/2009 12:00:43 AM

I can probably make the range trip and dinner. It'll be my first time, how many usually show up?

11/13/2009 4:26:14 PM

I'll be out there for the debate... I don't know if I will participate as I don't feel I know enough true facts to participate- that and when someone pulls out the "well my father was killed by a gun" line, I don't know what to say other than "sorry dude"

but I would like to see what goes on out there

11/13/2009 4:59:09 PM

Does anyone else find it ironic that the SHOT show prohibits privately owned firearms?

11/14/2009 1:21:46 PM

I'm not familiar with this SHOT show you speak of- more details?




oh, and I finally got my S&W 642... I love it! it fits right in the pocket and it just feels good. Now all I need to do is find some .38 range ammo- I don't want to burn through the 70 gold dots he gave me getting used to firing this little guy

11/15/2009 10:03:40 AM

http://www.shotshow.org/

Quote :

"The Shooting, Hunting, Outdoor Trade Show and Conference (SHOT Show) is the largest and most comprehensive trade show for all professionals involved with the shooting sports and hunting industries. It is the world's premier exposition of combined firearms, ammunition, archery, cutlery, outdoor apparel, optics, camping and related products and services."

11/15/2009 10:41:56 AM

Is anyone here going to the Soldier Equipment and Technology Expo this week in Fayettville?

11/15/2009 6:54:25 PM

i was checking out a mossberg 500 persuader, 12 gauge, 20" barrel for $329 at dick's. what are yalls thoughts?

fyi...this is for home defense

11/15/2009 9:45:10 PM

get something that has the appearance of a hunting shotgun but the functionality of a home defense shotgun. it'll be cheaper and it looks better if it is ever presented as evidence against you in court.

[Edited on November 15, 2009 at 9:50 PM. Reason : and you can easily find a used 500 for about $200]

11/15/2009 9:49:42 PM