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" Wtf is that going to be?"

I'm thinking an early AA unit with a weak melee. I've heard others say something like an "artillery" unit like the plasma bugs from Starship Troopers.

[Edited on October 10, 2011 at 4:43 PM. Reason : -]

10/10/2011 4:42:49 PM

i'd love to see an earlier long range unit for zerg. towards the middle of the game terran/toss can hole themselves up so well i almost always feel compelled to go air, resulting in defeat at the hands of marines. this could help.

[Edited on October 10, 2011 at 5:03 PM. Reason : and by long range, i mean seige range, brood lords come way late]

10/10/2011 4:57:51 PM

They dont say its a new multiplayer unit do they?

If its just a single player unit I don't really care

10/10/2011 5:13:13 PM

^ditto, haven't even touched the terran campaign.

these days i stick to multiplayer games exclusively...

10/10/2011 5:16:18 PM

Oh don't get me wrong. The single player campaign for Wings of Liberty was amazing.

But if they are teasing some random new zerg unit and its only going to be in the single player game then that's a pretty big 'meh'

10/10/2011 5:31:52 PM

I don't think Blizz would tease a single player only unit when there were so many single player units in Wings that weren't fleshed out beyond the campaign.

I hope that new zerg unit has the ability to send me an email, txt message and IM during matches to let me know when to drone and when to make units. I keep getting killed for being too greedy and droning up.

10/10/2011 5:47:44 PM

i hope they give zerg a unit that doesn't cost gas, can attack ground/air with equal effectiveness, can be built two at a time, can outrun units that supposedly 'hard' counter it, and upgrades as well as anything else in the game...

but that would probably be too similar to marines

10/10/2011 5:53:00 PM

They've said these units are new multiplayer units.

10/10/2011 6:06:35 PM

That looks like a pokemon.

10/10/2011 6:10:42 PM

Then I am going to say that thing does not shoot air

10/10/2011 6:18:43 PM

Definitely looks like some sort of air unit. I think another cool potential early unit (that could work given the possible appearance of this one) is one that shoots some sort of aoe slow on the ground and anything that moves over it gets like -30% speed. It would give a nice counter to hellions since zerglings would be able to catch them.

Also -

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"4 - Start playing customs vs. randoms or friends. Can always get a game on Xel'Naga or Shattered. 5 - Start playing ladder, and remind yourself there is no reason to be nervous. Nobody gives a crap about your record, or if you are any good or bad. Sure I'll still make fun of your lame silver league placement, but you'll still be better than me in real life and that is the real victory."

I recommend switching those around. At least not the customs vs randoms part. Playing on the ladder is going to get you more games against people who are evenly matched. In customs you could very easily end up against some masters player who is warming up. Though right now there are a ton of shitty terrans playing customs thanks to blizzards free trial or whatever.

And someone on TL brings up the smart point that the zerg unit has a hydralisk head. So this looks to be the lurker replacement. Sigh, we need a T1 anti air.

[Edited on October 10, 2011 at 7:39 PM. Reason : a]

10/10/2011 7:37:33 PM

I dont see why people think it looks like an air unit. It looks like some kind of big tanking unit.

10/10/2011 8:03:32 PM

I haven't seen anyone say its an air unit, but it could potentially be an anti air unit. It definitely is going to be shooting something out of its back.

Lets see how long it takes till I get banned from TL...

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=274171

[Edited on October 10, 2011 at 8:35 PM. Reason : a]

10/10/2011 8:22:13 PM

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"Pick a race(I suggest protoss for new players, won't go into why just think it is easiest to start)."

I'd say Terran would be. They're a little more 1a friendly. I'd say until you learn proper sentry usage amongst a couple other things you'll get wrecked everytime in PvZ to just lings.

10/12/2011 1:15:46 AM

Protoss is def more 1A friendly. The easiest way to win a game in SC2 without a doubt is learning how to just 4 gate.

The problem with starting out as terran is that people tend to use their defensive ability way to much as a crutch. New Terran players end up just turtling on one base making tons of tanks and turrets and dying slowly. I have some other reasons as well but in general I think if you are starting out protoss is the race that will get a player learning the game best, can always switch to one of the others eventually.

10/12/2011 7:07:14 AM

i refuse to 4 gate lately, not sure why. i keep doing these funky stalker openings into 3 gate blink with a +1 setting up for expand

10/12/2011 7:56:57 AM

While protoss might be one of the easier races to learn how to win with, it might not be the simplest race for someone who is new to RTS's or has played standard RTS's casually. The warp dynamic can be tough to keep up with, let alone needing to chrono consistently. For someone who has been a casual RTS player I would think playing terran would be the easiest as they are most standard, then as you get better at macro you can expand your play with drops and harass.

Also in general terran armies don't require a ton of micro early game like a protoss would with forcefields.

Personally I had played some older RTS's (not really SC, and never competitive) and decided to try SC2 as zerg (they looked like the most fun). I started off pretty badly but slowly got better to where I am now.

In my opinion - pick whichever race you like the style of the most. Each race has its strengths and weaknesses in terms of difficulty learning them, but for the most part the basic concepts aren't too bad for any.

10/12/2011 11:37:45 AM

Forcefields might be the easiest casting mechanic in RTS history. Nothing is funnier than a protoss player that thinks he has great micro because he can spam forcefields.

The warp mechanic is very easy, and it allows players to get units where they need to be quickly to defend drops. Plus cannons are your best friend since it can handle ground and air.

I just think the perception is that terran is the easiest to learn and start with but protoss is actually the one that you can get better with and win more games early on just because gateways are strong, they have a good variety of easy cheeses(VR rush, DT rush).

I think Terran is the easiest race in the hands of a good player because of all the options, and with the ability to micro and macro is is just to much to stop. That is why the GSL is dominated by Terran right now.

10/12/2011 1:35:41 PM

While I agree that both the warp mechanic and forcefields are very easy - the one huge advantage terran has is that you can queue units. It helps a lot when you are first starting out. It definitely is not something you want to be doing on a regular basis, but it can help keep your minerals down when your macro isn't great.

With warps if you are still learning the game and can't focus on everything at once you will miss a few cycles which will put you way behind.

And as for forcefields, while they are very easy to use effectively you still have to be able to use them relatively quickly by watching your minimap/army, if you are in your base trying to click around to upgrade stuff/build buildings and can't quickly switch over then missing forcefields will leave you fucked fast.

10/12/2011 7:36:22 PM

REMINDER!

http://www.reddit.com/r/BarCraft/comments/krvaf/raleigh_barcraft_for_mlg_orlando/

Come out to Ruckus tomorrow for pizza, beer, and starcraft!

10/14/2011 9:54:45 AM

Anyone else going to be at blizzcon next week?

10/14/2011 11:18:52 AM

Quad view is awesome. Glad I got the free silver membership before last MLG.

Boxer vs TLO was one of the most entertaining series I have seen, I actually forgot I was watching a TvT.

Game 1 was just a mass mech with air spread out mess of a game, like 30 minutes long. Game 2 TLO goes for early mech and floats his rax over to boxers base. Boxer goes for an early MM push. TLO barely holds the push and while he is pushing does something I didn't even know was possible - Boxer had lifted his rax with an attached tech lab to move his starport over, then got distracted with microing his attack. TLO lands his rax on the tech lab and steals it, then starts building reapers inside Boxers base.

Funny as shit.

Last game was a 35 minute long massive sky terran on both sides. It was absolutely ridiculous. Supply was flip flopping like crazy. TLO at one point had about 30 vikings just parked on top of Boxers landed vikings while getting free shots at them with seeker missiles. Hilarity.

10/14/2011 11:23:34 PM

Stephano looked like shit against White-ra. Not sure he will be able to take out the STC if he is playing like this. Then again it is 1:30 am so he might be tired. Idra looked really good against Boxer though, and Huk is playing fantastic. Foreigners might be stepping it up here.

10/15/2011 1:31:44 AM

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"Anyone else going to be at blizzcon next week?"

Azaka, Golovko and SandSanta are all going.

CONSIDER YOURSELVES OFFICIALLY OUTED, NERDS

10/15/2011 9:05:14 AM

Come to Ruckus!

10/15/2011 2:26:37 PM

boxer vs idra in a sec http://pro.majorleaguegaming.com/live/starcraft_2

10/16/2011 1:39:19 PM

^Awesome set of games. I didn't think Idra would win game 7.

10/16/2011 3:04:09 PM

Good nydus play from Idra vs HongUn.

10/16/2011 3:51:57 PM

i'm sad that MarineKing got knocked out

10/16/2011 4:57:36 PM

idra is the most boring player in the world.

durr durrr macro macro macro 1a1a1a1a

10/16/2011 5:15:44 PM

Damn. How epic would Idra V Huk in the finals be.

^ Have you ever played zerg? You do realize you can't just ball up and 1 a your way over.

[Edited on October 16, 2011 at 5:16 PM. Reason : a]

10/16/2011 5:15:54 PM

idk if you watched any of these games idra won b/c thats pretty much the entire thing

10/16/2011 5:17:15 PM

I watched the entire boxer/idra series and the bomber/idra series. During zero large confrontations did he 1a. The only time he ever 1ad was to pick off rallying marines/tanks.

10/16/2011 5:30:55 PM

If you think any of the top players in the world

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"durr durrr macro macro macro 1a1a1a1a"

than you need to watch closer. Not sure how you have 250+ APM doing that.

10/16/2011 7:34:05 PM

I'm pretty sure MKP just goes 1A.

No way you could do it as Zerg though.

10/16/2011 7:51:48 PM

lol?

10/16/2011 7:52:05 PM

protoss win MLG
zerg win IPL
people continue to complain about post-1.4 terran being OP because they suck so hard with their race.

10/16/2011 9:04:03 PM

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"idk if you watched any of these games idra won b/c thats pretty much the entire thing"

it seems clear you didnt watch because thats pretty much what he didnt do.

Stick to slobbing microsofts nob and leave the thinking game to the thinkers.

10/16/2011 9:51:59 PM

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"protoss win MLG zerg win IPL terran still OP"

Fixed that for you.

10/16/2011 11:24:24 PM

top 4 GSL? T

10/17/2011 12:24:02 AM

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"I watched the entire boxer/idra series and the bomber/idra series. During zero large confrontations did he 1a. The only time he ever 1ad was to pick off rallying marines/tanks."

Watched final 4 boxer/idra games, and first two bomber games before I had to go on watch. The boxer win I saw idra was completely outclassed IMO, but the one that he took off boxer that I saw was some of the most incredible zerg play I've ever seen. I thought bomber was playing great, but idra just did so well (especially with those damn infestors)

Those were some of the most entertaining games I've seen in any MLG too, so I really don't get how you could call idra boring.

10/17/2011 6:03:17 AM

outclassed? I mean yeah cheese rattles him but boxer didn't beat him in a straight up game the entire series.

10/17/2011 8:53:28 AM

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"I mean yeah cheese rattles him"

You mean early game pressure...

10/17/2011 11:24:13 AM

The problem with zerg is they are so fragile in the early game. It can quickly make a zerg look terrible if they dont react in the exact right way, especially with how good at macroing the korean terrans are.

If the terran pushes early with hellions and the zerg over commits to defense they are WAY behind. If they don't make enough defense then they are WAY behind. That small difference snowballs in a huge way for the zerg, way more then any other race.

10/17/2011 11:27:13 AM

^^ no

I mean scv + bunker all in, moving command center to gold on metal, proxy barracks on xel naga cheese rattles him

I thought he handled the hellion early game pressure in game 7 great

I'm not taking anything away from boxer, he won those games fair and square. But all his wins were cheese, lets not kid ourselves.

not to mention he handled bombers early game pressure very well as well

[Edited on October 17, 2011 at 2:39 PM. Reason : *]

10/17/2011 2:38:47 PM

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" I thought bomber was playing great, but idra just did so well (especially with those damn infestors)"

Really? I thought his infestor control was horrible. He would regularly lose them for no reason at all, ones with energy on them. That game on Shakuras he lost like 10 infestors to tanks by letting them just stand in siege fire. He always talks about how good infestors are and then hardly uses them himself. In all the games I've watched him stream he uses infestors maybe 5% of the time. So many of his ZvT losses could have been wins with a couple of infestors.

10/17/2011 3:40:20 PM

Yeah he doesn't like his infestors much, and his control is average with them.

I just think he knows his strengths and plays to them which is macro and muta micro. He has basically played the same way since beta, and just has some different kinks he'll throw in occasionally like nydus play or a roach/ling timing. He does win the Shakuras game because of the infestors, without them he would have lost. He tends to bring them out in conjunction with Broods. Seems like he knows he can't get the value out of an infestor some of the better micro players can so doesn't feel they offer the bang for the buck. If he got better with them and sprinkled them in his armies much more he'd quit losing to marine armies and blink stalkers so much.

10/17/2011 4:01:23 PM

that last game Idra had against Bomber, on Shakuras i think, I remember yelling at the TV "WHERE ARE THE ULTRAS???" when he kept making more and more mutas

10/17/2011 4:53:44 PM

Good thing he didn't hear you, Ultras would have been such a waste that game. His muta play disrupted things so well, dumping all that money into the Ultras wouldn't have been worth it. The ling/infestor play back to mutas was the way to go because that game was all about containing Bomber and getting his money to dry up. Ultras get so bottle-necked on that map.

10/17/2011 4:58:24 PM

Whether you think he controlled them perfectly or not, it was those infestors that kept Boxer from winning game 1.

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"outclassed? I mean yeah cheese rattles him but boxer didn't beat him in a straight up game the entire series."

Call it what you want. In the Idra wins, he looked really good vs. Boxer. But when Boxer didn't play a macro game, and went a little but funky in those 3 wins, it was like idra had NO idea how to respond properly. I thought for sure he was going to rage and fuck up game 7 because of games 4-6. kudos to idra for keeping his cool and taking game 7 though.

10/17/2011 6:39:55 PM