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"He's trying to help. You gained 12 pounds in one week. You need help. I don't see why you're so reluctant to take advice from someone who's actually qualified to give it."

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 10:52 AM. Reason : Adderall business aside, I mean.]

7/7/2011 10:51:41 AM

My favorite part in Bigger, Stronger, Faster is when the clarinet guy says it isn't right for baseball players to take steroids because it is unfair to the other players but he says it is ok for him to take beta blockers for him to land a gig playing the fucking clarinet or something like that. Hypocrite.

7/7/2011 10:53:29 AM

i agree with morphine boy

dont see the need for preaching, its a results thread.

the dude advocates poisoning your body for gods sake

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 10:55 AM. Reason : f]

7/7/2011 10:53:41 AM

when I go looking for advice, I don't want to listen to people that don't have results to show for their actions.

7/7/2011 10:54:19 AM

For shin splints, soleus tendon stretches work wonders. So do massages and lots of milk.

7/7/2011 10:54:21 AM

iirc he's a personal trainer.

to me, having a personal trainer give advice for free on a message board is pretty sweet.

we're all adults here. we can pay attention to what we want to, and not what we dont.

this thread can be many things. trying to condense into one thread is difficult. there are countless entire forums out there for this type of thing, but for some reason this one interests me more, b/c of some weird internet personality associations makes it more real. this is basically the only thread i read on tww anymore, and i barely even participate.

7/7/2011 10:54:49 AM

i swear there is another thread for soliciting such advice


if i starve myself for 3 weeks to get my six pack so i can go to the beach so be it son!

that bein said, im fat as shit right now lol

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 10:59 AM. Reason : f]

7/7/2011 10:57:21 AM

Back on topic, does anyone know the reason for basically the same machine causing you to lift +/- 25 lbs different than others? For the first time I went to lift up on the 3rd floor at the Carmichael Rec Center, and all those machines are a lot newer than in the main gym. For whatever reason, I could curl like 20 lbs more, but had to do about 30 lbs less on the lateral press, etc.. I actually like those a lot more, but now I have to readjust what I'm lifting.

7/7/2011 11:21:55 AM

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"iirc he's a personal trainer. to me, having a personal trainer give advice for free on a message board is pretty sweet."

Exactly. It's not like when Gronke was running around spouting off whatever he read on the internet that day. MattJMM2 and PackMan92 do this professionally. Their livelihood is based on helping people reach their fitness goals.

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"For whatever reason, I could curl like 20 lbs more, but had to do about 30 lbs less on the lateral press, etc.. I actually like those a lot more, but now I have to readjust what I'm lifting."

Just the maintenance of the machines. A little added resistance because something doesn't travel up and down the rails fluidly can make a big difference.

This is why you don't use machines

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 11:26 AM. Reason : .]

7/7/2011 11:24:45 AM

i mean i dont know what to say, exept that depends on the system of pulleys and shit they use to manipulate the weight you pull

i think alot of these machines give you the resistance equivalancies on the label.

7/7/2011 11:24:53 AM

Has he and the other trainers given great advice? Sure. Its been extremely helpful. Some people may just glaze over the very indepth science, but the overall message is beneficial.

However, the fact that he has physical results becomes moot once he admits that he uses drugs to achieve his goals, and calls into question how effective the rest of his training is. If some powerlifter in here was touting a much different plan that allegedly achieved high weights, but then admitted to steroid use, then the readers are going to think "well maybe his high weights are just due to the roids." Same thing with weight loss drugs.

If another user came in here touting a huge weight loss while dieting and exercising, then revealed they had gastric bypass surgery, which do you think caused the weight loss? Drastic external influences apart from just diet and exercise decreases the overall credibility of the message.

If I had to choose between two physical trainers based solely on their physical appearance, one who used drugs and another who didn't use any, I would go with the clean trainer. I think that goes for a lot of beginning fitness readers in here as well.

7/7/2011 11:48:21 AM

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"having a muscular physique AND defined abs is not a natural condition. Its usually one or the other. To get both, if you have to cut corners, if you have to "play god' and mess with the natural balance of chemicals in your body, than so be it."

This is a good point. It's easy to forget that many (most?) guys who have "perfect" bodies don't achieve them through simple diet and exercise. I try to keep that in mind when setting goals and thinking about what kind of body I want to have. Personally, I feel that fat burner pills and adderall are a step too far, but I'm only speaking for myself.

7/7/2011 11:49:41 AM

at this point in the thread, people know what their goals are. if you're one of those people - then pull out the advice and situations from this thread that suit it.

my goals do not include getting down to 8% body fat (i don't think that i'm physically capable of getting that low) so therefore, the posts that have to do with that i'm just not going to take into consideration.

perhaps that's the best idea for others ....


oh and just as a refresher:

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"Rules: 1. Every week you most post a photo of your progress. This photo must be in a bathing suit (I was going to say "birthday suit," but we agreed that some people might not want that*). After all, that's what you're going to be wearing on the beach, isn't it? 2. Post your workout routine and diet info. 3. Don't shit up this thread. It's in The Lounge for a reason. 4. NO FUCKING WHINING. Your muscles hurt? You don't like eating healthy food? You think you look fat? Shut the fuck up and get back to work. 5. Yes, there are going to be women posting photos of themselves in bikinis. Don't be a fucking creep."

From earlier in the thread...

My goals:

1) Century Ride (Tour de Cure in June - did the 64 miler last year)
2) Olympic Triathlon (already signed up for it in July) - moved to September, torn rotator cuff kinda fucked me.
3) Would like to do a half marathon.... Not sure if that'll fit into my triathlon schedule - planning on doing one in November
4) Run 500 miles in the year... not as impressive as Wadhead1 but ambitious for me nonetheless - behind, but i think i can still do it.

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 12:12 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2011 12:10:37 PM

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"Y'all are ridiculous. You do realize having a ripped six pack while being muscular is a very unnatural condition, right? Getting down to that low body fat and maintaining it requires very meticulous dieting and effort. Your body goes crazy. Hunger gets borderline uncontrollable. And yes, getting down to 8% is starving yourself. That is why you get so fucking hungry. "

I'm in just as good of shape as MattJMM2 and I've never starved myself (at least not to the point that I believe he does) nor do I take heavy supplements (I still do protein shakes on an inconsistent basis).

I have good genetics, but they're nothing abnormal. I did workout consistently for about 7 years (from ages 18 to 25 I was in the gym 3-5 times a week, ran on a consistent basis, and swam consistently for the last 2 years). I'm serious when I say that I really didn't have any breaks in that schedule.

I've definitely slowed down a lot in working out, but I feel like I've established such a solid base in my body and health over the years, that I'm just maintaining right now. I eat healthy, but I don't think its anything impressive. I've cut out a lot of sweets and I practice portion control, but I still drink a lot and eat tons of yummy dinners.

He's given a lot of good advice in this thread, but the adderall and "I'm probably going to take steroids when I'm 40" stances are pushing it pretty far.

There are tons of people who are in AMAZING shape that don't go through the extremes that he posted and he's making it seem like they are necessary when they are most certainly not.

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"However, the fact that he has physical results becomes moot once he admits that he uses drugs to achieve his goals, and calls into question how effective the rest of his training is."

ditto

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 12:21 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2011 12:20:29 PM

i am strongly against drugs period. I hesitate to call anyone that advocates their use as part of a training regimine a personal trainer


no disrespect to your career or anything, but thats just my opinion and certainly that stance is not one that we all should drop everything and heed as Gospel

fuck that. its poison and if it were actually a regulated drug youd be fraudulently prescribing treatment. luckily for you its not regulated by shit so you can say whatever the fuck you want.

7/7/2011 12:27:00 PM

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""I'm probably going to take steroids when I'm 40" stances are pushing it pretty far. "

is this different than women taking hormone replacements to subdue menopause?

7/7/2011 12:28:03 PM

^ well the reasons for taking them are i feel like. you're taking steroids to keep a certain physique.

women try to curb the affects of menopause so they don't mass murder people

7/7/2011 12:30:19 PM

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"is this different than women taking hormone replacements to subdue menopause?"

When did I talk about hormone replacements and menopause?

But I do agree with this:

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"^ well the reasons for taking them are i feel like. you're taking steroids to keep a certain physique. women try to curb the affects of menopause so they don't mass murder people"

When you get older and want to keep the same physique, you can work out a little harder/longer and eat a little better.

If you are an older women and you need some help with menopause, there really isn't much you can do "naturally" to help with that.

So that's the difference between the two IMO.

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2011 12:30:25 PM

^^^isn't that for medical reasons though?

i mean men don't exactly go through menopause.

^^you got it girl

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 12:32 PM. Reason : dsfsdfsf]

7/7/2011 12:31:04 PM

Quote :

"i am strongly against drugs period. "

just out of curiosity, where do you draw the line?

i'm in the same boat, but it's a slippery slope.

like, say i drank a few espressos before working out to get that caffeine jolt. would that be allowed?

7/7/2011 12:31:14 PM

my goals:

to look good in a bikini and not be terribly embarrassed.

I want to weigh at 145, I'm 5'71/2" and I'm 155 right now

I want to be able to run a 5k without having to stop to walk. right now I'm about 60% there, much better than when I started, my avg pace is 14:50 mil/min down from 17:11 when I started. Which brings me to my big goal:

I really want to be as close to being a fit runner so that I can be a coach for Girls on the Run/ Girls on Track this fall.

7/7/2011 12:35:39 PM

i dont really drink coffee much but i do consume sodas but i guess its a foodstuff

thats just my opinion, you can always get super hardcore about it. i havent fully formulated a total opinion but for arguments sake you have a point

but then again, i wouldnt use coffee to get a caffeine jolt, i avoid relying on "jolts" but thats a separate issue

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 12:44 PM. Reason : g]

7/7/2011 12:43:49 PM

are you using couch to 5k or some other program?

7/7/2011 12:44:41 PM

I started off with couch to 5k "guidelines" and then I started using runkeeper to track my progress

7/7/2011 12:47:45 PM

Quote :

"i am strongly against drugs period. I hesitate to call anyone that advocates their use as part of a training regimine a personal trainer no disrespect to your career or anything, but thats just my opinion and certainly that stance is not one that we all should drop everything and heed as Gospel fuck that. its poison and if it were actually a regulated drug youd be fraudulently prescribing treatment. luckily for you its not regulated by shit so you can say whatever the fuck you want."

What do you call that person then?

IMO, a personal trainer, is someone who spends a significant amount of time studying the variety of methods of training and nutrition and is able to help others reach their aesthetic, performance, and health goals.

I personally spend about 60+ hours a week reading medical/fitness journals, watching training videos, coaching clients, and keeping up to date with the latest and greatest in the industry, and generally making sure I know everything there is to provide a better service.

Part of that is knowing what tools work best to get specific jobs done. This is why people pay me a very high premium. It would be stupid of me to ignore information because it wasn't "All Natural" (which is a bull shit term anyways, almost everything these days is some how synthetic).

When things get competitive, health and longevity always take a back seat to winning. This is why people train so hard, they get injured. Or why people take potentially harmful drugs to win. This sacrifice is the essence of competition. On that same page, when you want to get outstanding results, sometimes cutting corners using science/technology makes it feasible.

I am not advocating the use/abuse of drugs in the pursuit of fitness. What I am trying to get across is that none of us are in a position to judge what others chose to do to their own body.

Furthermore, if this self-treatment is providing a better lifestyle or an ability to achieve their goals, who the hell are we to say they can't do it?

There is so much ignorance and naivety out there concerning drugs. People assume that since it is controlled or illegal that it is the work of the devil. When in reality, many banned substances are less harmful than over the counter drugs. Hell, almost ANYTHING can be harmful if not dosed correctly. Including water. Do you want the nanny state to control every decision you make? Isn't better to be able to have the choice in what you want or don't want to put in your body?

As mentioned by someone else, it is a very slippery slope. What is a drug? IMO, it is any chemical or substance that can be ingested that provides some affect to the body. Alcohol, tobacco, aspirin, and even vitamins are drugs. Of course somethings are more hazardous than others, and as a reasonable adult it is up to you to figure out what you should and shouldn't take.

This bullshit that is ok for women to take hormones because of menopause and men shouldn't is nonsense. People should be able to do take whatever the fuck they want if it enhances their living conditions.

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 1:34 PM. Reason : 0]

7/7/2011 1:32:45 PM

Went out of my comfort zone today:

Squatted to a low box without my briefs and really felt the difference in my groin and hamstrings. Later, as I did hamstrings, I didn't have the ass support and now I walk funny for a few days, I guess.

For you runners, dimel Deadlifts are a great way to increase your speed by nailing your hip flexors.

As for roids, I would take them if they were readily available. But I don't have the time or desire to illegally get an Rx for a hormonal imbalance. I don't care if people use them, I would if I could. But I don't.

7/7/2011 1:34:11 PM

this thread has taken a turn for the worst.

7/7/2011 1:35:08 PM

what % of 1RM would you suggest for a 20 rep dimmel dead set?

7/7/2011 1:36:54 PM

Horizontal Press day:

Power Circuit: Depth Push Ups 4x4 + Pistol Squats 4x1 + MB Slams 4x4
*Bench Press 160lbs 5x8+ (Got 15 reps on the last set)
*Weighted Dips +90lbs 3x5
1arm 90#db rows 3x10
JM Presses + Reverse DB Flys 3x8

*Chin Ups x 3 every set.

Strength endurance is up a bit from the weight gain. Can't wait to test my limit strength in a couple months once I push my intensity up a bit..

7/7/2011 1:42:14 PM

nm

i see you have so i will shut up.


my bad.

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 1:43 PM. Reason : fgfgf]

7/7/2011 1:42:49 PM

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"my goals: to look good in a bikini and not be terribly embarrassed. I want to weigh at 145, I'm 5'71/2" and I'm 155 right now I want to be able to run a 5k without having to stop to walk. right now I'm about 60% there, much better than when I started, my avg pace is 14:50 mil/min down from 17:11 when I started. Which brings me to my big goal: I really want to be as close to being a fit runner so that I can be a coach for Girls on the Run/ Girls on Track this fall."

Minkagrl01 great job on the weight loss so far and i think you're definitely on the right track to getting to your goal. you're definitely making a lot of great progress.

i run frequently and i found that the better my diet is in check, the better i run. i know you mentioned you're doing the Body Pumps and that is a great way to get in some good weight training in while still busting a serious sweat. you just have to find what works for you and it sounds like you're on the right track. keep up the good work

7/7/2011 1:50:47 PM

Quote :

"When you get older and want to keep the same physique, you can work out a little harder/longer and eat a little better. If you are an older women and you need some help with menopause, there really isn't much you can do "naturally" to help with that. So that's the difference between the two IMO. "

you're trying to tell the personal trainer in here that is near the limits of physical fitness that he can just work harder to hold that physique when his body is no longer producing the levels of natural testosterone and HGH that make his physique possible.

Meanwhile, you claim that there is no natural supplement for menopause, even though there are a ton of naturally occuring phytoestrogens that work as effectively as estrogen replacement therapy - soy products being the most commonly used.

So, the difference is you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about.

7/7/2011 1:57:55 PM

sweet jesus can we get off the drug conversation please? this is ridiculous

7/7/2011 2:01:44 PM

if anyone needs any testosterone, you can get it ITT

7/7/2011 2:02:12 PM

Quote :

"you're trying to tell the personal trainer in here that is near the limits of physical fitness that he can just work harder to hold that physique when his body is no longer producing the levels of natural testosterone and HGH that make his physique possible. Meanwhile, you claim that there is no natural supplement for menopause, even though there are a ton of naturally occuring phytoestrogens that work as effectively as estrogen replacement therapy - soy products being the most commonly used. So, the difference is you not knowing what the fuck you're talking about. "

Funny thing was in the first response I had typed out I started off with, "I'm not even close to being an expert in either of those categories, so this will be a layman's response..."

Then I backed off, saw someone else comment on what would have been my general response, so I quoted them and added on a bit. I'm not even going to try and argue with you because you are obviously more educated on the subject than I am. As you noticed, I didn't get into detail in my response, because I don't have knowledge to do that. I just offered up a basic opinion that a majority of people would find extremely reasonable.

You made up the argument (I never mentioned menopause in anything I posted) then come in with your "expertise" and insult someone. It's why everyone considers you to be one of the biggest pricks on t-dub.

But enjoy your steroids and bodybuilding.

7/7/2011 2:23:14 PM

For dimels, I like about 40-45 of your "brute" Deadlift. Thats about 15 reps for me. You can really tell the difference when you're running uphill.

7/7/2011 2:27:35 PM

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"sweet jesus can we get off the drug conversation please? this is ridiculous"

7/7/2011 2:29:39 PM

Someone mentioned yerba mate earlier. I have been wanting to try this stuff but can't find it. This really has nothing to do with working out. Maybe I just don't know where it is at my local HT.

Ah they have it at the Vitamin Shoppe. Thank you google.

[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

7/7/2011 2:44:56 PM

and at the Earth Fare in Briar Creek and Whole Foods

7/7/2011 3:01:18 PM

Do you have any youtubes on dimel lifts? I have an idea in my head of what it looks like but it doesn't make sense

7/7/2011 3:03:24 PM

I no longer use this thread. Go to the bb thread.

7/7/2011 3:08:29 PM

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"I no longer use this thread. Go to the bb thread. "

7/7/2011 5:21:55 PM

I'm about to go play god in the diary aisle!!!!!

7/7/2011 5:28:20 PM

Quote :

"I'm about to go play god in the diary aisle!!!!!"

All that juicing finally paid off.

Quinn is now the fat one.

7/7/2011 7:45:50 PM

Diary aisle is a danger zone. I'd stick to blogs and journals.

7/7/2011 7:56:37 PM

this might be a stupid question - and is probably solved by just being better hydrated - but i feel like i cannot breathe in this humidity and heat. i'm running at like 8pm and the first two miles are brutal - slowing me up significantly.

anybody have any tricks? or do i just need to suck it up

7/7/2011 9:09:07 PM

1. Wake up early.
2. Go run.
.....
8. Profit.

7/7/2011 9:20:15 PM

yeah I think I'm going to have to start running in the early mornings to beat the humidity. I run with water but it's getting harder to face this humidity in the evenings

7/7/2011 9:41:18 PM

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"All that juicing finally paid off. Quinn is now the fat one."

hahahahahha wooohoooo. you know its a bad day when >50% of the people in the ncsu gym are smaller than me




[Edited on July 7, 2011 at 10:20 PM. Reason : like a caterpillar becomes a butterfly]

7/7/2011 10:20:33 PM

I have finally become accustomed to the humidity and heat. I usually run at 3:30-4:00pm and it took a really long time to get used to it. Normally I do HIIT prior and I am so hot and sweaty that when I step outside I think "well this isn't TOO bad" and then I start running I have scaled back some just to 2 miles a day because of the high intensity stuff I am doing.

Oh and I never bring a water bottle with me. I hydrate like crazy throughout the day (about 3 liters of water before 4pm) and I find I run better when I am not carrying a water bottle around.

7/7/2011 10:22:08 PM