I think McCain's best bet, at this point, is to unleash his secret plan to capture Osama bin Laden, thus winning the hearts and minds of the entire nation.

10/13/2008 10:43:50 AM

Wow, that video with Batman and the Penguin couldn't be more fitting.

10/13/2008 10:51:25 AM

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"Rick Davis: The last 8 years encapsulated It’s simply not possible to lie more deliberately or flagrantly than this: McCain campaign manager Rick Davis on Fox News this morning, when asked by Chris Wallace about the Troopergate report issued on Friday: "The reality is there was absolutely no wrongdoing found in the report — 1,000 pages — an enormous waste of time — and the best they could come up with was: no violations of any kinds of laws or ethics rules." From the Report — the very first finding — page 8 (.pdf): "Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Execute Branch Ethics Act." There’s no lie too brazen. There’s not a modicum of personal responsibility or acknowledgment of wrongdoing. Even bipartisan, unanimous investigations that result in adverse findings of wrongdoing are smeared and dismissed away (Davis: ”kangaroo court” — “big public circus” — ”this now drops dead and there’ll be no follow-up at all”). Chris Wallace, who is actually more decent as an interviewer than most of his colleagues, interrupted and confronted Davis with his lie — “No, it said she violated the state Ethics laws” — but Davis just persisted as brazenly as before with the lie. That’s a perfect snapshot for what we’ve had the last eight years."

http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2008/10/12/davis/index.html

ABC's calling them out on the blatant lies too:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/palin-makes-tro.html

Quick TWW survey:
When politicians repeatedly say things that are demonstrably false, it makes me:
a) More likely to vote for them.
b) Less likely to vote for them.
c) Neither more nor less likely to vote for them.

I'd vote "a". The willingness to flat-out lie shows a politician is a real maverick!!

10/13/2008 11:19:32 AM

^ ouch

You'd think Palin would have learned by now that clear, blatant lying like that will only hurt you.

The only strategy I can see that having is to crystallize her base, hoping it encourages them to vote so the "evil liberal media" doesn't win.

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"and no more only talking about economics as it relates to investors and business. Most voters aren't investors and/or run businesses, talk about families."

Are you kidding, this would never work. How do you expect McCain to explain why the wealthy need bigger tax cuts than the middle class, especially when it's perceived they're in economic hard times? There's no way he can do that, without Obama being able to humiliate him.

The only hope McCain has is for Obama to screw up, a terrorist attack, or hope character attacks can stick.

There's lots of time left in this race for things to change, but McCain has yet to tilt things in that direction.

[Edited on October 13, 2008 at 12:07 PM. Reason : ]

10/13/2008 12:01:27 PM

8% lead for Obama in Missouri?? If this is the trend in Missouri man, wow....Obama would have McCain in a headlock. He is forced to defend damn near every 'assumed' state in his column.

New SurveyUSA poll conducted for KMOX Radio and KCTV in Kansas City.
The latest numbers show Obama leading Republican John McCain 51% to 43% percent in Missouri.
http://www.kmox.com/KMOX-Survey-Shows-Big-Swing-In-Voter-Support-For-O/3127150

10/13/2008 12:36:10 PM

http://www.pollster.com/ is a good site, has house and senate races also

Now if the stock market makes up for all of its loses last week, McCain will be right back in it.....it took a near financial collapse for Obama to get a comfortable lead....

[Edited on October 13, 2008 at 1:14 PM. Reason : w]

10/13/2008 1:13:49 PM

Voting Obama is just 4 more years of Bush!

Don't believe me? Well, then maybe you'll believe former Bush appointee and senior adviser for the Republican National Committee Tara Wall!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/13/wall.bush-obama/index.html

10/13/2008 1:28:23 PM

Probably an outlier poll, but I heard tell today that Obama's ahead in...

NORTH FUCKING DAKOTA

If that's still true next week, McCain's going to get demolished.

10/13/2008 1:28:50 PM

seriously, the stupidity in your posts is more than one can take at times. the struggles of McCain has a lot to do with the economy right now, but not what the Stock Market does on a day-to-day basis.

10/13/2008 1:29:22 PM

The McCain campaign commitee should ban Palin for uttering the phrase Maverick ever again

10/13/2008 1:34:27 PM

I can't keep up the charade anymore. It's over and I know it. Unless Barack Obama devours a puppy on camera or John McCain disappears for a few days and then returns with the severed head of Osama bin Laden, we all know how this is gonna end. It saddens me, because I was looking forward to an exciting election day, oh and also because I'm an avid McCain supporter and shit.

At least it looks like McCrory might win, and that cuntrag Dole is on her way out.

10/13/2008 1:59:42 PM

Quote :

"seriously, the stupidity in your posts is more than one can take at times. the struggles of McCain has a lot to do with the economy right now, but not what the Stock Market does on a day-to-day basis."

I completely agree. They don't realize it's about McCain's response to the economy and his lack of empathy in dealing with the trouble facing families that is killing him. He's completely all over the map with his political gambits..and that's wearing off all the indies he once had. That's his problem.

10/13/2008 2:01:22 PM

hey McCain, here's a good strategy:
1) Run your campaign into the ground with apparently dimwitted advisors
2) Get it so bad that Bill Kristol, a well known Conservative, comments that the "McCain campaign, once merely problematic, is now close to being out-and-out dysfunctional. Its combination of strategic incoherence and operational incompetence has become toxic."
3) Instead of listening to some advice, throw Kristol under the bus and claim he is just a shill for Obama now, and that he is "buying into the Obama campaign's party line."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/13/lashing-out-mccain-flack_n_134228.html

btw, who the hell ever thought that it was a good idea to hire a jerk-off like Tucker Bounds to run an election?

10/13/2008 3:01:15 PM

Obama has hit 50% for the first time ever in the national poll average.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html

Amazing.

10/13/2008 3:52:51 PM

why do you fools still use RCP?

10/13/2008 3:56:26 PM

can you explain why anyone shouldn't?

10/13/2008 4:23:13 PM

yeah, all it is is an average of other recent national polls.
Maybe the methodology isn't quite as good as pollster or whatever, but you can still see all the individual poll numbers and judge for yourself

RCP Average	10/07 - 10/12	--	50.0	42.6	Obama +7.4
Gallup Tracking	10/10 - 10/12	2284 LV	52	43.5	Obama +8.5
Rasmussen Tracking	10/10 - 10/12	3000 LV	50	45	Obama +5
Reuters/CSpan/Zogby Tracking	10/10 - 10/12	1207 LV	48	44	Obama +4
Hotline/FD Tracking	10/10 - 10/12	823 LV	48	42	Obama +6
ABC News/Wash Post	10/08 - 10/11	766 LV	53	43	Obama +10

10/13/2008 4:30:22 PM

Also, again, you're wasting your time with the national polls. Go state-by-state.

10/13/2008 4:31:28 PM

RCP excludes polls for no reason and includes polls at the editors whims.

10/13/2008 4:32:59 PM

^^ yeah, well same point applies.
They show each state broken down into the individual polls


^ well not all polls are created equal, and some probably should be ignored.
Is there evidence that the RCP people exclude a certain type or poll, or exclude them based on the results?

[Edited on October 13, 2008 at 4:34 PM. Reason : .]

10/13/2008 4:33:27 PM

Quote :

"RCP excludes polls for no reason and includes polls at the editors whims."

10/13/2008 4:34:30 PM

It's pretty close, state-by-state, to the others. They're all within a few electoral votes of each other.

10/13/2008 4:36:35 PM

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/09/real-credibility-problems.html

10/13/2008 4:37:45 PM

ok, thanks. good stuff.

10/13/2008 4:42:08 PM

Quote :

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10/13/2008 6:01:05 PM

WHERE THE WHITE WOMEN AT

10/13/2008 6:01:47 PM

Quote :

"WARREN: “WE HAVE A COUPLE OF SECOND REMAINING, THE CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN VIRGINIA HAS SAID, QUOTE IN TIME MAGAZINE, “BOTH BARACK OBAMA AND OSAMA BIN LADEN HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE BOMBED THE PENTAGON. THAT IS SCARY.” IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR A STATE PARTY CHAIR TO BE SAYING?” MCCAIN: “I have to look at the context of his remarks. I have always repudiated any comments that have been made that were inappropriate about Senator Obama. The fact is that William Ayers was a terrorist and bomber and unrepentant. I don’t care about that. But, Sen. Obama ought be the candid and truthful about his relationship with Mr. Ayers in whose living room Sen. Obama launched his campaign and Sen. Obama said he was just a guy in the neighborhood.” "

http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/politics/article/mccain_talks_to_wsls/19188/

Are you fucking kidding me?

10/13/2008 6:10:59 PM

is there something you quoted thats not true?

do you know what the best way is to not get a bunch of shit in the media about associating with terrorists?

DON'T FUCKING ASSOCIATE WITH TERRORISTS

10/13/2008 6:14:51 PM

guilt by association is so awesome

treetwista has smoked a shit load of drugs, probably associated with drug dealers

drug dealers fund terrorism (according to some)

treetwista is a terrorist


[Edited on October 13, 2008 at 6:20 PM. Reason : .]

10/13/2008 6:18:38 PM

^^ Tell that to John McCain and G. Gordon Liddy.

10/13/2008 6:19:13 PM

You know the best way to take attention away from your own short-comings on economic, health care, and general issue consistency? Or to take attention away from the fact that you can't focus on the usual standard "family values" ticket because you cheated on your wife and chose a running mate that also detroyed that for you?

Talk about one facet of your opponent's associations that can easily be taken negatively!

10/13/2008 6:20:35 PM

i think jwb would take a bullet for obama just so the holy one could remain flawless

btw nice job of obama of not playing "guilt by association" when using fear mongering on the voting population..."WE CANNOT AFFORD 8 MORE YEARS OF GEORGE BUSH"

10/13/2008 6:21:24 PM

Quote :

"DON'T FUCKING ASSOCIATE WITH TERRORISTS"

zomg

10/13/2008 6:21:27 PM

i'm sure rumsfeld used to hang out in saddam's living room

you guys' blind defense of anything obama does or any shitcan terrorists he used to hang out with is pathetic...i'm leaving this thread...obama's cock is so far down yalls throats, I'M about to puke

10/13/2008 6:23:26 PM

Awesome.

10/13/2008 6:24:17 PM

Laters

10/13/2008 6:24:19 PM

Amazing how race or character or association [irrelevant] comments by either side get a shitload of responses... but my post from a while back got none.

Quote :

"OK. So McCain campaigns to lower gov't spending, then proposes a mortgage bailout that would let the mortgage lenders gain on the taxpayers' dime. Gov't buys up the loans for the adjusted value (most higher than they are actually worth) and we pay. So they want to talk about "terrorist ties" when the economy is crap. He (and most supporters) talk about smaller gov't, then propose this $300+ billion mortgage thing out of nowhere. This, of course, on top of the existing bailout. Can people really support this? He wants to give a $5000 credit for health care? Really? When my wife and I were buying our own coverage, it was about $700-800/month. My credit would be used up in 6 months or so. Thanks, but no thanks. Then on top of that, he wants to tax work-provided coverage as income?! Then he stated (in writing) that the tax collected from that would go directly to the health insurance providers?! I just don't understand how anyone could support McCain, even if you just looked at those issues alone. Amazing. Personal attacks are usually evidence that you are running out of options and are desperate. By no means is Obama perfect. But dammit people... a tax on health care benefits? Come on."

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10/13/2008 6:29:09 PM

Quote :

"i'm leaving this thread."

peace out! don't let the wingnut reacharounds impair your way out the damn door.

10/13/2008 6:33:46 PM

i say it still

McCain drops her from his ticket in exchange for a legit fiscal conservative (and someone with an IQ greater than that of my cheese fromunda), and i'll vote for him

10/13/2008 6:42:07 PM

lol what the heck is a cheese formunda?

10/13/2008 6:57:14 PM

Quote :

"...i'm leaving this thread..."

Go learn how to use logic while you're gone.

10/13/2008 7:18:30 PM

Quote :

"BOTH BARACK OBAMA AND OSAMA BIN LADEN HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE BOMBED THE PENTAGON. THAT IS SCARY."

Oh?

That's news to me.

Which one of Osama's friends bombed the Pentagon?

10/13/2008 7:27:59 PM

10/13/2008 7:40:34 PM

lol @ nc in tossup

10/13/2008 7:53:16 PM

I (a registered democrat) just received two anti-Obama ads in the mail from the GOP.

Obama certainly has them on the ropes when they're in NC (NC!!1) trying to scrounge up votes from people like me.

10/13/2008 7:58:04 PM

So, I like how Palin abused her power by... oh, that's right, her husband did it. Gotta love the findings of that commission, though.

I'll admit to not reading the whole report, but if the crux of their case is "Todd did all of this...", then I think it's going to be hard to say, with a straight face, "Sarah abused her power." Now, find me something that says she told her hubby to do it. Or knew what was happening and completely ignored it, and I will reconsider. Truly, I will.

Quote :

"You'd think Palin would have learned by now that clear, blatant lying like that will only hurt you."

Why? it works for Obama. "I never heard anything bad out of Rev. Wright's mouth." "I have no association with ACORN."

10/13/2008 8:03:09 PM

^There's no evidence to show his claim is false, you fucking nutcase.

10/13/2008 8:06:19 PM

how do you attend the same church for 40 years and not hear your pastor say stuff like that??

sounds fishy to me.

10/13/2008 8:07:56 PM

he didn't attend that church for 40 years.

10/13/2008 8:08:42 PM

Quote :

"There's no evidence to show his claim is false, you fucking nutcase."

Well, it does seem hard to believe that he could attend that church for such a long time and not hear such a thing. Yes, no evidence, but hardly a "reasonable doubt."

10/13/2008 8:13:30 PM