^even if you did believe you passed a "point of no return", sending 30k thousands more troops into a futile effort is still a position you should oppose.

But as d357roy3r hinted at, its just a BS rationalization of switching your position.

6/22/2010 1:50:20 PM

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/06/22/federal-judge-blocks-drilling-moratorium-in-gulf/?hpt=T2

the right move. Hopefully these people can get back to work while the Admin fights this in court.

6/22/2010 2:54:40 PM

Quote :

"So he really wants to get them all home immediately, but LOGISTICS is keeping them there and in fact adding more troops. Bravo"

HERP DERP MAY B THEY CAN ALL FIT ON ONE BOAT

Quote :

"A lot of the same liberals that were saying "bring the troops home" during Bush's reign sacrificed their principles once Obama got elected"

I couldn't blame them. I can understand why they would be willing to put some level of faith into Obama rather than Bush.

Quote :

"even if you did believe you passed a "point of no return", sending 30k thousands more troops into a futile effort is still a position you should oppose."

Oh, I see now that you don't understand the concept of "point of no return".

6/22/2010 5:23:59 PM

Quote :

"I can understand why they would be willing to put some level of faith into Obama rather than Bush."

I can't, but that probably explains my stance on politics in general...I choose to put my "faith" in my friends and family, not some power hungry politician, whether it be Bush, Obama or someone else

6/22/2010 5:26:36 PM

Quote :

"HERP DERP MAY B THEY CAN ALL FIT ON ONE BOAT "

I think you could probably get most of them home in 18 months if you wanted to. no?

6/22/2010 5:51:02 PM

Quote :

"but that doesn't actually have anything to do with actual libertarians"

LOL

6/22/2010 6:55:28 PM

So now our most pointless war ever has become our longest war ever. Going to cause a lot of lols looking back on America in history classes of the future.

6/23/2010 2:36:40 AM

^^
your point?
You're a fucking joke.
You said: "Most libertarians really are just republicans. It’s pretty obvious."
If republicans call themselves libertarians, it doesn't make them libertarians. Get a fucking clue.
Try it this way.

"Some self-proclaimed libertarians really are just republicans. It’s pretty obvious."

Oh, wait. You won't do that.... because:

Quote :

"The only thing that's "pretty obvious" is the tactic you guys are using here: purposefully spreading misinformation to confuse people on the issues. It's completely deliberate."

6/23/2010 9:17:52 AM

Quote :

"If republicans call themselves libertarians, it doesn't make them libertarians. Get a fucking clue. Try it this way. "

Apparently, according to you, even when well-established libertarians call themselves libertarians, they’re not libertarians.

here’s a hint: you’re not the sole arbiter on who/what is libertarian. You have a single view, that even other libertarians would disagree with. “Libertarian” doesn’t have a single meaning, and the definition is going to be molded by Republicans who co-opt the name because they don’t want to be associated with Republicans.

You can throw a temper tantrum whenever this happens, but it doesn’t change the fact that you don’t in fact determine what is “Libertarian” for all libertarians.

6/23/2010 9:28:24 AM

^
cart before horse much?
(stop trolling, dude. You know you're wrong.)

6/23/2010 10:00:29 AM

^^I know I've said this before, but if someone thinks the government should be telling adults what kind of relationships they can be in, they're not libertarian. If they think the government should be legislating morality and enforcing "traditional values," they're not libertarian. If you think the government should be determining what you can do with your own body, you're not libertarian. If you call yourself libertarian, and in the same breath advocate having the government take over something that doesn't involve protecting individual rights, you just don't know what libertarian means, plain and simple.

6/23/2010 11:24:36 AM

^ None of that is necessarily wrong, but you're missing the point. Person X in the media will claim they're a libertarian, and they may be, except in situation Y. Indy has a tendency to jump in and shout about how they're not a "real" libertarian, and he knows, because he is one, and that "people" are trying to distort what a "real" libertarian is.

The point is that for a political philosophy, for all practical purposes, the "real" libertarians are the largest group of people who call themselves libertarians. At this point in time, largely thanks to the Internet, there are MASSES of people who are really just fiscally conservative Republicans running around saying they are libertarians (although there is some intersection in the philosophies), and the media has been reporting the situation thusly. Therefore, as far as the average Ameican™ is concerned, libertarians=republicans. Indy whining about this fact really just makes him looks naive, and doesn't do anything to help the state of the libertarian "party."

Sadly, the Libertarian party are a lot like anarchists in the sense that their philosophies don't give them a propensity to organize and actually clarify their beliefs, which just means a flood of these eTuff libertarians whining on the Internet about how great libertarians-- but only the "REAL" libertarians, not the "FAKE" ones-- are.

6/23/2010 8:47:21 PM

Quote :

"their philosophies don't give them a propensity to organize and actually clarify their beliefs"

I feel the same way about Liberalism. Just all over the place and full of contradictions.

6/23/2010 9:01:07 PM

Obama has lost all his credibility, right?

He hasn't changed any of the war/terrorism/torture business.

Blah.

6/23/2010 9:07:15 PM

Quote :

"because he is one"

No I'm not. Everything you claim is full of farts.

6/23/2010 9:49:39 PM

Quote :

"HEADQUARTER OF TWITTERS"

--Barack Obama

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asheJGnG41Y

6/28/2010 4:41:19 AM

Quote :

"Obama has proposed freezing spending on an array of domestic programs for the next three years and has named a special commission to recommend ways to curb spiraling debt and deficits. The panel is to report back by December 1. Obama will review the recommendations and decide how to go forward sometime early next year. "I'm doing it because I said I was going to do it," Obama said. "People should learn that lesson about me, because next year, when I start presenting some very difficult choices to the country, I hope some of these folks who are hollering about deficits and debt step up, because I'm calling their bluff.""

Difficult Choices = VAT tax, tax increases, elimination of home mortgage deduction, confiscation of retirement funds.

All the more reason to eliminate the Democrat majority this Fall.

[Edited on June 28, 2010 at 10:43 AM. Reason : .]

6/28/2010 10:43:08 AM

Democratic

6/28/2010 10:53:10 AM

Quote :

"confiscation of retirement funds"

scaremonger much?

6/28/2010 11:15:30 AM

if the mortgage deduction is rescinded, you will see another real estate market crash.

why would I stay in a mortgage in an unstable market when I could rent something nicer for the money and have a lot less risk/headache?

6/28/2010 11:35:02 AM

Quote :

"when I start presenting some very difficult choices to the country"

this is bunk. americans demand to have their cake and eat it too. obama will do what he has done. pay the bill with his "people earning $250k or more per year" credit card.

[Edited on June 28, 2010 at 11:44 AM. Reason : ]

6/28/2010 11:44:19 AM

^^^^

It's only "Democratic" when talking about the "Democratic Party"
There is such a thing as a "Democrat". As in, are you a "Democrat"? You don't say, "are you a Democratic"?
A majority of Democrats is a "Democrat majority". Also known as a "Democratic majority".
They are both correct.


At least wait for someone to actually make a mistake before correcting them.
(with your liberal trigger finger)

6/28/2010 12:10:18 PM

No, no it isn't.

A party that contains Democrats is referred to as a Democratic party.

A majority that contains Democrats is referred to as a Democratic majority.

That's the word you are supposed to use.

The phrase "Democrat party" has come into play in the past decade after use by the GOP as some sort of diminutive term.

It's just as bad as "lamestream media," "lieberals," "Faux News," and any other term you can use that automatically negates your argument and makes you look like an idiot.

6/28/2010 12:26:16 PM

^
Yes, it is.
You are wrong.
I've checked with three different English teachers, two of which are Democrats.
In others words,

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING IDIOT.


proof that you're trolling:
"The phrase "Democrat party""

NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT THAT PHRASE, MORON!!!!!!


[Edited on June 28, 2010 at 12:37 PM. Reason : ]

6/28/2010 12:34:36 PM

What does that have to do with President Obama's credibility?

6/28/2010 12:38:56 PM

^
Exactly. Nothing.
His liberal trigger finger compels him to object to a proper use of the word "Democrat".
Nothing to do with anything, except that he thinks he's some liberal knight riding in on a horse to save everyone from GOP trickery.
OH, SAVE US, HONORABLE ONE!!

6/28/2010 12:46:01 PM

Quote :

"SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING IDIOT."

Quote :

"MORON!!!!!!"

http://brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=597302

And also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)

[Edited on June 28, 2010 at 12:48 PM. Reason : ]

6/28/2010 12:47:34 PM

Quote :

"And also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democrat_Party_(phrase)"

YOU CAN'T STOP, CAN YOU?

NO

ONE

IS

TALKING

ABOUT

THAT

PHRASE

EXCEPT

YOU

6/28/2010 12:49:20 PM

I'm just correcting you. Your usage was incorrect.

6/28/2010 12:52:36 PM

Moving on now...

6/28/2010 12:53:48 PM

^^
I'm just correcting you. Your usage was incorrect.
And you're a liberal shitstain.

6/28/2010 1:04:46 PM

Dudes, calm down. It's really not worth getting that worked up over.

6/28/2010 1:05:48 PM

It would either be "Democrats' majority" or "Democratic majority"

If you think otherwise you don't understand nouns and adjectives.

6/28/2010 1:06:20 PM

Quote :

"And you're a liberal shitstain."

Oh yeah!? Well you're a poopy butt!

6/28/2010 1:16:23 PM

Quote :

"pay the bill with his "people earning $250k or more per year" credit card."

yup

6/28/2010 5:29:30 PM

Across From White House, Coffee With Lobbyists
June 24, 2010

Quote :

"WASHINGTON — There are no Secret Service agents posted next to the barista and no presidential seal on the ceiling, but the Caribou Coffee across the street from the White House has become a favorite meeting spot to conduct Obama administration business. Here at the Caribou on Pennsylvania Avenue, and a few other nearby coffee shops, White House officials have met hundreds of times over the last 18 months with prominent K Street lobbyists — members of the same industry that President Obama has derided for what he calls its 'outsized influence' in the capital. On the agenda over espressos and lattes, according to more than a dozen lobbyists and political operatives who have taken part in the sessions, have been front-burner issues like Wall Street regulation, health care rules, federal stimulus money, energy policy and climate control — and their impact on the lobbyists' corporate clients. But because the discussions are not taking place at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, they are not subject to disclosure on the visitors' log that the White House releases as part of its pledge to be the 'most transparent presidential administration in history.' The off-site meetings, lobbyists say, reveal a disconnect between the Obama administration's public rhetoric — with Mr. Obama himself frequently thrashing big industries' 'battalions' of lobbyists as enemies of reform — and the administration's continuing, private dealings with them."

Quote :

"'They're here all the time — all day,' Andre Williams, a manager at Caribou Coffee, said of his White House customers. (He can spot White House officials by the security badges around their necks, or the Secret Service agents lurking nearby.) 'A lot of them like lattes — that or a "depth charge," a coffee with a shot of espresso,' Mr. Williams said. 'The caffeine rush — they need it.' Some administration officials and lobbyists say that meeting away from the White House allows officials to get some air without making visitors go through the cumbersome White House security process. Others, however, acknowledge that one motivation is the desire to avoid lobbyists' names showing up too often on the White House logs."

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/25/us/politics/25caribou.html

Could've gone in the "Obama Flip-Flops" thread, too. But can we get visitors' logs at the coffeehouses for the "most transparent presidential administration in history"? Just asking.

7/1/2010 9:15:24 AM

Gasp! And from such a obviously LIEberal newspaper!

7/1/2010 9:38:48 AM

^ How about addressing the article's topic? No?

7/1/2010 9:54:24 AM

I believe the correct response here would be that when W did it was horrible and wrong, when BO does it, its ok because every president and admin has done it

7/1/2010 10:15:59 AM

I'd go digging for a time when hooksaw quoted an article from the NYT, claiming that it was "proof" that the newspaper was incredibly liberal and would never speak ill of the president, but I'm toolazy.

7/1/2010 10:21:27 AM

^ I just wanted to make sure the source was acceptable to you.

7/1/2010 11:51:00 AM

Haha I go to that Caribou Coffee all the time. Real top secret shit is going down there, I assure you. Hahaha.

7/1/2010 12:13:23 PM

BREAKING. . .

Civil Rights Panel to Renew Subpoenas, Pursue Federal Probe in Black Panther Case
July 7, 2010

Quote :

"The bipartisan panel investigating allegations that the Justice Department wrongly abandoned a case against the New Black Panther Party plans to issue a new round of subpoenas and call for a separate federal probe following explosive testimony from an ex-Justice official, a commissioner said."

http://tinyurl.com/24ous4w

And here's video of one of the guys, King Samir Shabazz, Holder's DOJ got off the hook:



I hate white people!

Quote :

"You want freedom! You gonna have to kill some crackers!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDsTvKvV_hg

Quote :

"I hate white people! All of them! Every last iota of a cracker, I hate it!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN67KJdd6Mw

[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 1:02 PM. Reason : Just wow. ]

7/7/2010 12:58:01 PM

OH THE HORROR

7/7/2010 1:02:38 PM

Man being a white male must be so tuff

7/7/2010 1:03:54 PM

^^ Yes, now you have it.

^ Defend this situation if you must.


[Edited on July 7, 2010 at 1:12 PM. Reason : And white supremacists are bad, but you're totally cool with black supremacists? Really? ]

7/7/2010 1:04:14 PM

Quote :

"The Obama Administration Protected Black Panther Who Advocates Killing White Babies"

7/7/2010 1:17:38 PM

the son of Obummer's secretary of HHS made a board game poking fun at prison rape: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_drop_the_soap

sound the alarms

7/7/2010 1:17:55 PM

^^ And?

7/7/2010 1:26:01 PM

I would just LOVE to see the response if a republican administration asked for charges to be dropped against a KKK or NRA member who said similar things and was intimidating voters at the polls.

7/7/2010 3:50:08 PM