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dzags18
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I know I haven't cashed in near as many mtt's as some of the people on here, but I definitely would have played it aggressive in order to get chips. You might not cash in every mtt playing coin flips, but you have to take chances somewhere and I would rather do it early on then on the bubble.

12/17/2005 5:40:38 PM

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sNuw, when i get a chance, and am not doing like 50000 things, ill post a response to your thing


but for now, check this out


PokerStars Game #3362460477: Tournament #16586739, Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2005/12/17 - 21:26:23 (ET)
Table '16586739 31' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: mopardcx (2495 in chips)
Seat 2: bloFISHmee (5533 in chips)
Seat 3: chotnho (8165 in chips)
Seat 4: deadfan 420 (1350 in chips)
Seat 5: choir (4000 in chips)
Seat 6: pilgrimshoes (5310 in chips)
Seat 7: novaworm (675 in chips)
Seat 8: rotary13b (3767 in chips)
Seat 9: TRUMA (3810 in chips)
choir: posts small blind 50
pilgrimshoes: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to pilgrimshoes [8c Ac]
novaworm: folds
rotary13b: folds
TRUMA: folds
rotary13b said, "blah"
mopardcx: folds
bloFISHmee: folds
chotnho: folds
rotary13b said, "whats $300 though when you got 1.5mil"
deadfan 420: raises 100 to 200
choir: folds
pilgrimshoes: raises 100 to 300
bloFISHmee said, "LOL"
deadfan 420: raises 1050 to 1350 and is all-in
pilgrimshoes: calls 1050




I NEED AN ACE GODDAMN IT!!


*** FLOP *** [As Ah Ad]
deadfan 420 said, "lol"
*** TURN *** [As Ah Ad] [Tc]
rotary13b said, "o ****y"
rotary13b said, "hahahahahaa"
*** RIVER *** [As Ah Ad Tc] [2s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
pilgrimshoes: shows [8c Ac] (four of a kind, Aces)
deadfan 420: shows [Kd Kh] (a full house, Aces full of Kings)



BAM

12/17/2005 9:31:10 PM

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so right there even, did you assume you were beat, but were willing to risk 1/5 of your stack in the name of massive chip accumulation?

12/17/2005 9:38:49 PM

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the guy had been attempting to steal my blinds all day long

i got fed up with it and thought my ace was live

if he puts me on a resteal, hes going to reraise

so ill reraise him back if i put him on a steal to start off with, or maybe a low pair.

worst case im against ak or something and am like 3:1 dog.

that would be bad.

best case the ace is live and i dont have to make another decision in a nice sized pot hitting an ace with a weak kicker. players like turner wouldnt do this very often, if at all. I probably do it too often.


it is totally a situational thing, player dependant.

my read was obviously way off and obviously i didnt want a call the big rereraise. In every tournament youve got to get lucky at least once or twice to go deep.


notice also its not like level two or something, and taking the pot down with the big reraise would have still been a nice sized pot to win.

12/17/2005 9:45:19 PM

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Also losing this pot in no way criples me, but would give me a nice boost.


this is also important.

12/17/2005 9:46:36 PM

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^yea, that's kinda what i meant, so if you have some chips you are more willing to risk sliding back to the average if it means you have a chance at building a huge stack?

what about the queens? (i think i can guess the answer)

i usually play cash games, so i'm kinda trying to refine my tournament strategy (i think i might have been a little too close to the survival mentality, and I'm trying to break away from that a little bit)



[Edited on December 17, 2005 at 9:53 PM. Reason : sdfa]

12/17/2005 9:49:31 PM

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the queens in short i would not have pushed.

its not worth it yet in the 2nd round.

the morec hips you gain the less they are worth.

the fewer you have, the more they are worth.

12/17/2005 9:55:09 PM

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keep in mind that in cash games you can just reload.

you cant in tournaments

what is more important, a small edge early, or still being alive

12/17/2005 9:57:35 PM

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"you can't win a tournament early but you can surely lose it." one of the first and best pieces of advice I ever got on tournament play

12/18/2005 12:26:58 AM

sNuwPack
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see that's kinda the theory i've always applied, but lately i've been seing people advocating grabbing a lot of chips early, for instance.....are you better off with 1000 chips at the beginning of the tournament, or 1000 chips at the end of the first break, i think most people would agree you are better off with 1000 at the beginning.
You just have to walk a tight line between the two i guess

12/18/2005 2:20:01 AM

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"the queens in short i would not have pushed.

its not worth it yet in the 2nd round.

the morec hips you gain the less they are worth.

the fewer you have, the more they are worth."


Yup... pretty much same advice... I'm always willing to raise with QQ early in a tourney... but I rarely REraise with it in this situation. If I limp with them, which I often do early, I just call the raise... I might push back on the flop if it's a good one, but I don't really want to race against AK here, and besides, that raiser always could have AA or KK.

Let's say the flop is good, like 25T or something like that, and the raiser bets out... again, I just call. If he then checks the turn when no A or K hits, I bet... but if he bets the turn, I again just call unless I really think he's got JJ or maybe AT or something like that. It's not worth it overinvesting in the pot this early, especially since you'll definitely lose your whole stack if he's got KK or AA.

12/18/2005 2:48:43 AM

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yea, i limped from utg then pushed back when he raised, thanks for all the advice though, it was all helpful

12/18/2005 3:03:22 AM

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does pokerstars give a referral bonus? im gonna deposit there, if anyone wants dat bonus lemme know

12/19/2005 2:54:18 AM

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dont know


to vegas with me!!! watch out city, im brining the ole mega-rock noidroid with me!


Plan on tearing up the 8/16 - 10/20 with maybe a scattering of 15/30 in there at bellagio/wynn/mirage.

$330 tournament at wynn tommorow afternoon.

should be on the tables in 10 hours!

Three months is too long in between casino trips.

12/19/2005 11:08:14 AM

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haha i live for ny and turning stone today also, hopefully the games there will be relatively soft

i plan on playing some limit as well, i'll probably mix in some plo8 and maybe a nl tourney or two though just for shits and giggles

[Edited on December 19, 2005 at 2:41 PM. Reason : lkjd]

12/19/2005 2:40:05 PM

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Define "too much credit"

I have A-4 off on the button in a MTT. Five players see the flop of A, 2 , 5 rainbow. I see a potsized raise from the SB and it's called twice. I ship out. Turn is a blank and the SB goes all-in.

SB has 9, 4.... a bluff. Caller has 6, 6 for middle pair. Wow....

12/19/2005 11:45:09 PM

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This was a profitable 2 minutes

PokerStars Game #3384606426: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/12/20 - 04:27:21 (ET)
Table 'Pompeja II' Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: DrOldSchool ($65.05 in chips)
Seat 3: AkaDiddy22 ($16.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Darius3131 ($261.35 in chips)
Seat 5: IsraeliDF ($162.95 in chips)
Seat 6: LUER35 ($83.05 in chips)
IsraeliDF: posts small blind $0.50
LUER35: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrOldSchool [2s 3s]
DrOldSchool: calls $1
AkaDiddy22: folds
Darius3131: folds
IsraeliDF: calls $0.50
LUER35: checks
*** FLOP *** [4s 8s 2d]
Darius3131 said, "i will be up to 400 in no time"
IsraeliDF: bets $4
LUER35: folds
DrOldSchool: calls $4
*** TURN *** [4s 8s 2d] [Qh]
IsraeliDF: bets $6
DrOldSchool: calls $6
*** RIVER *** [4s 8s 2d Qh] [7s]
IsraeliDF: checks
AkaDiddy22 said, "ok"
DrOldSchool: bets $10
IsraeliDF: calls $10
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DrOldSchool: shows [2s 3s] (a flush, Eight high)
IsraeliDF: mucks hand
DrOldSchool collected $41 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $43 | Rake $2
Board [4s 8s 2d Qh 7s]
Seat 2: DrOldSchool showed [2s 3s] and won ($41) with a flush, Eight high
Seat 3: AkaDiddy22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Darius3131 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: IsraeliDF (small blind) mucked [Ah 8d]
Seat 6: LUER35 (big blind) folded on the Flop

PokerStars Game #3384608812: Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2005/12/20 - 04:28:09 (ET)
Table 'Pompeja II' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 2: DrOldSchool ($85.05 in chips)
Seat 3: AkaDiddy22 ($16.85 in chips)
Seat 4: Darius3131 ($261.35 in chips)
Seat 5: IsraeliDF ($141.95 in chips)
Seat 6: LUER35 ($82.05 in chips)
LUER35: posts small blind $0.50
DrOldSchool: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrOldSchool [6c 6h]
AkaDiddy22: folds
Darius3131 said, "then i will drive out to Mahtomedi and get drunk"
Darius3131: calls $1
IsraeliDF: raises $3 to $4
LUER35: folds
DrOldSchool said, "what time do bars close there"
DrOldSchool: calls $3
Darius3131: calls $3
*** FLOP *** [6s 3c 9h]
Darius3131 said, "I dont know"
AkaDiddy22 said, "2"
DrOldSchool: checks
Darius3131: checks
AkaDiddy22 said, "am"
IsraeliDF: bets $5
AkaDiddy22 said, "same time dude"
DrOldSchool: raises $10 to $15
Darius3131: folds
IsraeliDF: calls $10
*** TURN *** [6s 3c 9h] [2s]
DrOldSchool: bets $25
IsraeliDF: calls $25
*** RIVER *** [6s 3c 9h 2s] [4c]
DrOldSchool: bets $41.05 and is all-in
IsraeliDF: calls $41.05
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DrOldSchool: shows [6c 6h] (three of a kind, Sixes)
IsraeliDF: mucks hand
Darius3131 said, "wow nice"
IsraeliDF leaves the table
DrOldSchool collected $172.60 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $174.60 | Rake $2
Board [6s 3c 9h 2s 4c]
Seat 2: DrOldSchool (big blind) showed [6c 6h] and won ($172.60) with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 3: AkaDiddy22 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Darius3131 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: IsraeliDF (button) mucked [Qh As]
Seat 6: LUER35 (small blind) folded before Flop

Played on this table for a while tonight, very loose, a lot of action, lot of fun to actually win for once.

12/20/2005 4:56:48 AM

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go here and get $100 free with no deposit

http://www.instantbankroll.com/ib.asp?rc=DrMario

or go here and get some chips or other stuff for making a deposit

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Just did the instantbankroll thing, and it works. Sorry though, I didnt use your referral because I didnt know it was in here.

12/20/2005 10:24:35 AM

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25/50 Game tonight in North Raleigh if anyone is interested. PM/IM me for info

12/20/2005 6:57:44 PM

dzags18
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Anyone need another for a game in raleigh/cary tonight? PM me.

12/21/2005 5:58:48 PM

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Hey whoever Dr. Mario is, I used that IB thing for my wife. How long does it take for the $100 to go into the account? (I know it says 1-5 days, just was curious if anyone had experience with this.

12/22/2005 11:31:44 AM

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^ Once you talk to them on the phone, i think it happens within the hour. (at least i think thats what i remember from when i did it)

12/22/2005 1:59:12 PM

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i've completely lost confidence in my online game. i'm down a lot more than i should be, with no end in sight to my rut. i mean tonight in a freeroll, whenever i got decent cards, it was almost always out of position, and i was afraid of getting outplayed after the flop, so i hardly raised. i'm hoping a few live games get me off the snide

12/23/2005 1:06:12 AM

dzags18
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Speaking of live games, I'm still bored due to most of my friends not liking to play often or for anything bigger then 10/20. Shoot me a PM if you are playing in the raleigh area any time over break.

12/23/2005 2:21:33 AM

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and so there are many vegas stories.


more to come.




WOOOOOOO



wicked wasted craps, donkfest 3/6, "the dark times" for 24 hours blacked out and blowing a few g's, finding the best profanity that fitst he occasion, and jenn harmon grabbing my junk



more to come

12/23/2005 3:01:46 AM

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Pictures of Jennifer grabbing your junk would be required for me to believe that!

12/23/2005 4:00:08 AM

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Double post here... totally unrelated things though

I was reading an article by Phil Gordon where he was discussing how he plays in a Tourney as the bubble approaches and he made this statement:

"I've been the bust-out bubble boy plenty of times in my career by playing aggressively in the spot, but I know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that my great final table finishes were all fueled by the chips that I was able to steal on the bubble. Don't be afraid to go broke on the bubble -- let your opponents play the scared money. Play courageously and aggressively on the bubble and I know you'll make more final tables and get to the champion's circle much more often."

I agree with this already so that's not where I'm headed with it although I find it challenging not to play with the "I don't want to miss the money mindset."

Mainly I was wondering if some of the more experienced folks on here like Pilgrim and Turner had some specific examples or thoughts on how they have used this approach before.

12/23/2005 10:30:00 AM

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a couple days ago i was in a limit tourney, about 10 people before the money, decided to get aggressive, first hand of my switched gear, i run into a slow-played rockets, blew about 80% of my stack, with that said however, I played it really bad, i should've been able to conserve about 50% of those chips, but anyway, i still made the money, but i was positioned to run pretty deep, oh well, i guess i would say get pretty aggressive, but don't get stubborn to the point where you look past the obvious signs that you are toast on any given hand ya know

my experience so far with turning stone has been really good, wow the game was SOFT, i crushed it, too bad my BR was really low so i was playing below my preferred limit, but i'm definetly gonna move up next time. For people that play 100nl and such in casinos, are these games just as soft as the low limit, or do people actually try to save their chips for decent hands?

sucks about losing a few gs pilgrim, make any of it back? did you actually play with harmon, or just make out with her?

12/24/2005 12:15:20 AM

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"For people that play 100nl and such in casinos, are these games just as soft as the low limit, or do people actually try to save their chips for decent hands?"



hahahaha

super soft

12/24/2005 3:56:03 AM

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^

Yeah I'm not the best poker player in the world and so far I've won all 3 times I've been to casinos. I'm going to my fourth time on Monday

12/24/2005 9:48:04 AM

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since i fly for free i might have to make arrangements to come up here twice a month, noidroid you guys still in vegas?

12/24/2005 10:34:13 AM

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I've been playing 100nl and 300nl at Hawaiian Gardens a lot lately. Easy money.

40nl sucks because there are so many fishes. You can't bluff and you can't protect your hand. With 100-300nl, people play tighter but more predictably. Today I left with $500 after a few hours of 100nl. No really memorable hands.

Yesterday I walked out with $500 after playing 300nl for about an hour. I would have left with a grand, but I ran into a boat vs my trip 10's.

I'm curious about how much money I can win at one of those tables if I play all day. The more you win, the easier it is to buy pots b/c of your stack size.

12/25/2005 3:08:42 AM

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I think this hand best explains my luck on Xmas. I really lost 50 straight hands in a NLHE MTtourney before this after building a nice stack. This was hand 1 out of the break in a PLO MTT.

*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #3437914594: Tournament #16921679, Omaha Pot Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2005/12/26 - 03:06:42 (ET)
Table '16921679 9' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: tensor (2305 in chips)
Seat 2: tommynoe (1980 in chips)
Seat 3: Kev13NY (4755 in chips)
Seat 4: BOOOOOZE (6775 in chips)
Seat 5: DrOldSchool (4670 in chips)
Seat 6: bobwx (11525 in chips)
Seat 7: WhiteWidow (3590 in chips)
Seat 9: DragonDrake (6550 in chips)
tommynoe: posts small blind 75
Kev13NY: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Jh 7c 8h 9c]
tommynoe said, "i lost most of my stack when i flopped trip queens"
BOOOOOZE: calls 150
tommynoe said, "no straight possible but it came"
DrOldSchool: calls 150
BOOOOOZE said, "thats the game"
bobwx: calls 150
WhiteWidow: folds
DragonDrake: calls 150
tensor: calls 150
tommynoe: calls 75
Kev13NY: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 3s Jd]
tommynoe: checks
Kev13NY: checks
BOOOOOZE: checks
tommynoe said, "must still be on the crapper"
DrOldSchool: bets 600
bobwx: folds
tommynoe said, "now he is back"
DragonDrake: folds
tensor: folds
tommynoe: folds
bobwx said, "Hope he wiped his arse properly"
Kev13NY: calls 600
BOOOOOZE: folds
*** TURN *** [7h 3s Jd] [Kd]
Kev13NY: checks
tommynoe said, "let me check.........."
DrOldSchool: bets 750
Kev13NY: calls 750
*** RIVER *** [7h 3s Jd Kd] [Tc]
Kev13NY: bets 3255 and is all-in
DrOldSchool: calls 3170 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kev13NY: shows [7d 8c Qs 9d] (a straight, Nine to King)
DrOldSchool: shows [Jh 7c 8h 9c] (a straight, Seven to Jack)
tommynoe said, "yah, its clean enough....... for an ahole, i mean"
Kev13NY collected 10090 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 10090 | Rake 0
Board [7h 3s Jd Kd Tc]
Seat 1: tensor (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: tommynoe (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Kev13NY (big blind) showed [7d 8c Qs 9d] and won (10090) with a straight, Nine to King
Seat 4: BOOOOOZE folded on the Flop
Seat 5: DrOldSchool showed [Jh 7c 8h 9c] and lost with a straight, Seven to Jack
Seat 6: bobwx folded on the Flop
Seat 7: WhiteWidow folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: DragonDrake folded on the Flop

12/26/2005 3:13:32 AM

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dammit does anyone here know how to play Omaha hi/low

I accidentally entered a rebuy tourney and i dont know how to play

i read some stuff real quick and figured some of it out...

im playing great and ive tripled my stack without even rebuying...

but im sure the good players are gonna eat me, someone wake up and hold my hand please!

12/26/2005 4:58:05 AM

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OH MY GOD SOMEONE HELP

Im 2nd in chips with 65 people left.... fist is almost a grand...

AND IVE NEVER PLAYED OMAHA BEFORE HELPPPPPPPPP

I havent even rebought OR added on????????

[Edited on December 26, 2005 at 5:49 AM. Reason : a]

12/26/2005 5:48:50 AM

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Okay i officially hate poker.


A3K10 (k-10 suited) im LOW in chips UTG so i go all in and get called in a few places.

Flop comes four to a flush with 4 to the low... turn is a blank.... river makes my flush but not my freaking low.

Well not only did i not scoop the pot, someone had the ace flush, naturally.

If I win the pot i cant finish lower than 7th, and i still have a chance to finish higher...

11th gets a whopping $30 instead of $150.


I must be the best natural Omaha Hi/Lo player ever though. 128 players, 121 rebuys, and 48 add-ons...

I come in 11th without rebuying, adding on, or knowing what the hell constitutes a low hand.

I had to read the FAQ during level two for gods sake.

12/26/2005 7:56:06 AM

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I have lost all the numbers in my phone, does anyone have fork_girl's number?

[Edited on December 26, 2005 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ']

12/26/2005 1:40:02 PM

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playing the 100k sunday bodog tourney with 555 people, 70 people left, blinds are 800/1600
payouts start @ $340 for 54th place up to 25,000 for first. Average stack is about 21k im at
~40,000 on the button with KK. First position raises to 4,500, next guy calls immediately putting him all in, the guy one off the button also comes in. I have everyone in the hand so far covered by almost double so I move all in. THe guy in the small blind sitting @ 65,000 goes all in right after me. THe other 2 in the pot lay down. Small blind turns over fucken A5 suited and the guy all in shows AJ. Im feeling pretty good and then the fucken flop comes A9A, turn gives a 5 and just so the can stick it in me a little further the give me a K on the flop for kings full. So the fucken momo and his A fucken 5 take the pot right under 100k chips... i would have probably had enough chips to just sit till about till about the final two tables where the payouts where at a minimum $1100... i wanted to break that fucken schmucks neck

12/26/2005 2:35:34 PM

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This may sound a little crazy but with that much action in front of me I probably would have laid that hand down at that point in the tournament. I know KK is a favorite going into the hand but only 74% against an A. Later in the tourney or earlier in the tourney I probably call though.

With the stack you had you probably would have been better off to keep making steals and not put 100% of your stack at risk.

That's just my 2 cents and I'm no expert.

12/26/2005 11:22:30 PM

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i would push, he had everyone who showed interest in the hand covered by 50%, seems like a good GREAT chance to build his stack

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 4:46 PM. Reason : dsf]

12/27/2005 4:45:51 PM

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thats a good play and just bad luck. i'm sure any pro would do the same thing

12/27/2005 5:06:34 PM

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SHOW ME IN THE RULE BOOK WHERE ITS AGAINST THE RULE TO SMELL!

12/27/2005 5:26:00 PM

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This site gave me some free money to play in their casino and I just hit the jackpot. I know not poker but it's sorta on a related note.

[Edited on December 29, 2005 at 1:04 AM. Reason : ]

12/29/2005 1:04:12 AM

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What is the play if you know someone has an over card pair and you hit top two pair on the flop and they triple your bet out and everyone folds to you? I had about $50 left after I would have just called and went all in. They called and hit a set on the river. Shit like that happened quite a few times this week. I put one fucker all in with a $80 pot already so he had to call like $100 when i had a set and he hit his flush.

I'm without a bank roll. Time to start playing .10/.25 again.

PS how do you get the people in casinos to take you right to a loose table. I had to ask for 4 table changes before I found a suitable one today.

12/29/2005 1:45:07 AM

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^i wouldn't recommend keep changing tables like that.

tables change composition abruptly
by continually changing, you're not gonna get a feel for any of them
tight players are still prone to start playing looser, if you stay at a table you have a better chance of recognizing the switch
if a table is tight, shoot it up yourself

^^and am i just crazy or is that a straight, and not a jackpot

12/29/2005 2:00:32 AM

CaelNCSU
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^

It was just everyone was playing solid. I tried radically raising and pushing people around last night, but I got into a sticky situation and blew through about $250. I was up at the first of it though. I don't know how to play when everyone is being a tight ass like myself. I also had a 4 hour run of J x and worse. I actually got excited when I saw 10 8 suited.

I'm sure a large part of my shitty luck was really bad cards.

12/29/2005 2:08:36 AM

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^^ third row, second column

12/29/2005 2:22:12 AM

sNuwPack
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haha oh aight

raleigh should get a casino, after playing live at turning stone, i think i would much rather play live for 8 hours a day than online

12/29/2005 3:13:46 AM

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Quote :
"i would much rather play live for 8 hours a day than online"

12/29/2005 3:21:17 AM

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well how do we get a petition going to get a casino in raleigh within the next 2 months?

12/29/2005 3:26:55 AM

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