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"Also been reading that the football players are irritated at the way they're being flogged in the media, and they might start pointing at the basketball team with stuff like "we're not doing anything half as bad as THOSE guys." "

pleaseeeeeeee let this happen

[Edited on September 10, 2010 at 10:16 AM. Reason : also, 69!!!!]

9/10/2010 10:16:15 AM

god i hope so

9/10/2010 10:17:27 AM

I think that thing about football players ratting on the bball players is just wishful thinking. They have absolutely nothing to gain by doing that.

9/10/2010 10:17:50 AM

dammit, 49th post

I thought this was interesting from today's N&O article

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/09/10/672927/unc-sports-troubles-may-go-back.html

Student court's role

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"Thorp and Baddour also stressed that athletes being held out will be allowed to play only if both the NCAA and the student Honor Court give their approval. The NCAA governs intercollegiate athletics; the Honor Court at UNC is an autonomous, student-run judicial system that hears student conduct cases, including those involving cheating. It can impose penalties up to and including dismissal from the university; its punishment for athletes found cheating might very well be harsher than what the NCAA imposes, Baddour said. "If the NCAA says you have to sit out four games, and the honor court says you're not going to be in school, then you're not going to be in school," he said."

I guess the students might not vote their players out of school.

9/10/2010 10:19:33 AM

Is that John Blake over Wes' right shoulder?

9/10/2010 10:22:16 AM

Quote :

"Is that John Blake over Wes' right shoulder?"

no

9/10/2010 10:24:59 AM

The student court would not wanna set a precedent though I cant believe. If there is obvious proof of clear cheating they should be thrown outta school. Otherwise any other regular student who does anything remotely similar is just gonna point to those cases and say either they were given special treatment or I am being treated unfairly if given a harsher punishment.

9/10/2010 10:29:46 AM

the student court is probably a bunch of nerds anyways that don't give a fuck about football

9/10/2010 10:32:52 AM

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"Not much has happened in the last 72 hours after the "blake has agents on speed dial" article, so I am just going to sit back and wait. "

There was the "AJ green sold his jersey ot Chris Hawkins for $1,000 dollars" story, which implicates more agents and more UNC players.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5551923&campaign=rss&source=ESPNUHeadlines


For reference, ebay has a Tebow game worn UF jersey that sold for $500.


I'm past the point of gong back to see if this was already posted so it may be [old].

9/10/2010 10:34:05 AM

I meant as far as "Nuclear Explosions", "The UNC Program is going to hell", they may need to "clean up the rubble" over in chapel hill type predictions. Coupled with an article, leak, info that will devastate UNC to its core. Not a minor article (that could end up being major) about contact from an ex-unc player.

9/10/2010 10:39:54 AM

the anticipation feels like the last couple of months of the CJ recuitment days

9/10/2010 10:45:13 AM

I guess some serious shit came out late last night in chat, but nobody on the premie board will share. They just reference the "stuff talked about in chat last night" then talk about how huge it could be.

9/10/2010 10:46:26 AM

OK. I don't have one of those. I'd say it's more than just minor that a dude who got kicked out of school (Hawkins), and grossly overpaid for a jersey, with connections to several agents, has been hanging around UNC's football program, though.

9/10/2010 10:47:36 AM

^^^ Hopefully it ends the same way, with a lot of these

[Edited on September 10, 2010 at 10:48 AM. Reason : .]

9/10/2010 10:48:39 AM

It doesn't seem too far fetched that a pissed off football player who is under investigation may hold some resentment towards a basketball player for getting away with something similiar to what he's getting dragged through the mud to start snitching.


The football player isn't going to give 2 shits about being loyal if the school has suspended/kicked off the team/etc.

9/10/2010 11:04:47 AM

The stuff in chat last night is in regards to an article that was supposed to be published last night / this morning. Brakk claims a newspaper has hard evidence linking Butch to tutorgate. He also said something to the effect over the next 48 hours info will come out that will not allow Butch to remain as head coach, and that part 1 was that article.

9/10/2010 11:13:59 AM

So where is the article? On delay? Fact checking? Shelved for the weekend?

9/10/2010 11:21:38 AM

a perfect headline for college football saturday paper??

9/10/2010 11:23:17 AM

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"So where is the article? On delay? Fact checking? Shelved for the weekend?"

That is the big question that no one appears to be able to answer at the moment.

9/10/2010 11:23:53 AM

yep. and it sounds similar to the claim of "shit will hit the fan on Wednesday. Trust me!"

9/10/2010 11:29:34 AM

ran over by one of the wagon wheels.

IC boards saying 2 PM. We'll see.

[Edited on September 10, 2010 at 11:31 AM. Reason : d]

9/10/2010 11:29:44 AM

the thread on IC about the friday rumor is like 7 pages and hasn't been locked. Someone over there is apparently claiming that something will happen at 2 p.m. IC hasn't been right about anything in regards to this investigation yet, but I figured I'd relay the info

9/10/2010 11:29:45 AM

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"yep. and it sounds similar to the claim of "shit will hit the fan on Wednesday. Trust me!""

The thing is that came from IC, Brakk or Waffle never said anything to that extent

9/10/2010 11:31:08 AM

I heard all the juicy info will be posted on Site 2

9/10/2010 11:31:13 AM

Normally, they announce afternoon press conferences at 2pm, which is where the "2pm" comes from. 2pm announcement of a 4pm Presser

9/10/2010 11:35:06 AM

Maybe already posted, but this thread moves quickly

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"It's been a rocky road in Chapel Hill. First the NCAA investigation that began in the summer. Then the Tar Heels were forced to suspend 13 players for their opening game (a loss to LSU). And most recently, associate head coach and recruiting coordinator John Blake abruptly resigned Sunday, citing his departure as being in the "best interest" of the Tar Heels' football program. The ripples of this are being felt on the recruiting trail. The Tar Heels, with Blake and coach Butch Davis, had the No. 11 recruiting class working this year. Recruits stayed loyal to UNC when the news of the investigation first came out over the summer, but that might be starting to change. North Carolina's Class of 2011 Butch Davis and the Tar Heels have 17 commitments, including eight four-star players. Now the trick will be to keep them all. 2011 commit list "I am starting to think twice about it, but I am a Tar Heel right now," said four-star QB Marquise Williams from Charlotte (N.C.) Mallard Creek, who committed to UNC in July. "I am waiting to talk it out with my dad and just relaxing. I have heard from Virginia Tech, LSU and Michigan. All of those schools say that they would love to have me. I will visit those schools, but I knew that before I even committed to North Carolina and they knew that as well." Losing Blake hurts, especially on the recruiting front. Over the years, he has developed a reputation as one of the country's best recruiters, and he helped North Carolina land running back Giovanni Bernard as well as defensive linemen Brandon Willis, Donte Moss, Jared McAdoo and Marvin Austin, to name just a few. The program is in a tough spot on the recruiting front. It might be December or January before a permanent replacement is named for Blake. But with more fallout looming from the investigation, it could take a toll on recruits, who undoubtedly will be hearing from other schools more and more. Add in that if the Tar Heels struggle on the field, that could make recruits start to look elsewhere as well. While there have been no decommitments yet, that doesn't mean players aren't at least going to explore their options a little more now. "I am pretty solid right now with North Carolina," said four-star OG Kiaro Holts from Indianapolis Warren Central, who committed in June. "The [North Carolina] coaches are telling me to hang tight and see how it works out. But a bunch of schools have been coming at me a little harder. I am still solid with UNC, but I may visit a few schools." Davis has been able to get top-25 classes to North Carolina in three of his four years, but it is looking like it will be tougher and tougher to match that this year. What's uncovered in the continuing NCAA investigation and the future fallout will greatly impact North Carolina recruiting for the rest of this 2011 recruiting cycle and possibly beyond. "

[Edited on September 10, 2010 at 11:50 AM. Reason : http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/news/story?id=5549837]

9/10/2010 11:38:44 AM

Anyone have a good "abandon ship" gif they could post?

9/10/2010 11:45:15 AM

good to see its starting to have an impact. just having to deal with those questions should turn some of them away.

9/10/2010 11:46:00 AM

unc-ch recruit:

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"you mean I'm not gonna get paid? Not gonna have a tutor do my homework? No trips to Miami? Fuck that. I ain't going to unc. "

9/10/2010 12:04:10 PM

9/10/2010 12:09:01 PM

^LOL

9/10/2010 12:25:25 PM

an excellent combination of my two favorite things in the world: 30 rock and bad news for unc.

9/10/2010 12:28:05 PM

^agreed.

So should I have the popcorn ready for 2:00 or 4:00?

9/10/2010 12:47:15 PM

Quote :

"IC boards saying 2 PM. We'll see"

it was a joke

9/10/2010 12:47:19 PM

9/10/2010 12:50:50 PM

just don't call her a nanny, ok guys?

9/10/2010 12:52:43 PM

a carolina alum at work just walked by my office and said "Merry christmas....Butch is gone"

I'm not sure if they were bull shitting me or not...but it was highly suspious bc i dont typically talk to this person on a day-to-day basis


I hope this person isn't pranking me

9/10/2010 1:51:37 PM

9/10/2010 1:53:34 PM

No way he gets canned today or anytime soon. The Ad was on today giving butch his vote of confidence.

9/10/2010 1:55:37 PM

^^ thats a shitty xmas gift, considering he's 0-3 vs us. i hope he stays.

9/10/2010 1:55:59 PM

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" Posted: Yesterday 7:51 PM And I thought the by week was a blessing in preparation for GT. Apparently it's just going to be a two-week ****-on-UNC fest ... And so far as I can see, we deserve most of it."

good stuff.

9/10/2010 1:59:27 PM

one of the stories on ESPN front page about the guy that bought AJ Green's jersey

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"ATHENS, Ga. -- Georgia wide receiver A.J. Green sold his Independence Bowl jersey to a former North Carolina football player who is also at the center of an NCAA investigation into alleged rules violations in the Tar Heels program. Chris Hawkins, a former North Carolina defensive back, befriended Green through the receiver's Facebook page. According to the source, Hawkins identified himself as a financial adviser and memorabilia collector in Facebook messages to Green, who eventually agreed to sell his jersey to Hawkins for $1,000. The NCAA, which handed Green a four-game suspension on Wednesday, ruled Hawkins qualifies as an agent. Hawkins told ESPN's Joe Schad Thursday night he gave Green $1,000 for his game-worn jersey. He said he won't sell the jersey and didn't realize it was an NCAA violation. "I didn't come at A.J. like a marketer or an agent," Hawkins said. "I'm not an agent. I talked to him about 'Good game this' and 'Good game that.' I wanted the jersey because I collect jerseys." Green, who is considered a potential top-10 pick in next spring's NFL draft, was held out of last week's 55-7 victory over Louisiana-Lafayette. Green also will miss the No. 22 Bulldogs' first three SEC games -- at South Carolina on Saturday, home against Arkansas on Sept. 18 and at Mississippi State on Sept. 25. Georgia officials filed an appeal to the NCAA Division I Committee on Student-Athlete Reinstatement on Thursday, but Green's case isn't expected to be considered until next week. Meanwhile, a person familiar with the NCAA's ongoing investigation into alleged rules violations at North Carolina told ESPN.com that Hawkins' relationship with current Tar Heels players also is being scrutinized by the NCAA. According to a source familiar with the investigation, Hawkins contacted several sports agents about their interest in representing North Carolina players in the NFL draft. The source said North Carolina players told NCAA investigators Hawkins arranged for the players to meet with at least two agents: Peter Schaffer of All Pro Sports & Entertainment in Denver and Kevin Conner of Universal Sports Management in Atlanta. The NCAA also is investigating whether Hawkins arranged for the players to make trips to Atlanta and Las Vegas to meet with potential agents. The source said Green didn't attend the agent-related trips. In a telephone interview with ESPN.com on Thursday, Schaffer said he knew Hawkins and has spoken to him about North Carolina players. Schaffer represents former UNC and Pittsburgh Steelers running back Willie Parker, who was Hawkins' roommate in college. "Chris Hawkins was asked by a couple of players to vet potential agents," Schaffer said. "I've known him through that and he's called me through that. I've found him to be intelligent and asking good questions. He seems to have the best interest of the kids at heart." Hawkins, from Kinston, N.C., played cornerback for the Tar Heels from 2001 to 2003. He was kicked off the team after his junior season and finished his college career at Marshall in 2004. Hawkins said he has met Schaeffer but he is not trying to help the agent land players. "I know many agents and I help my friends sort through the process. It's not just one," Hawkins said. "I do lots of research." A UNC official said Thursday Hawkins has frequently visited North Carolina's football facility during the past few years, including a visit this summer in which he worked out with Parker in the team's weight room. The school official said Hawkins often described himself as Parker's manager. "I've talked to a number of the North Carolina players," Schaffer said. "It's my understanding that the players look up to [Hawkins]. He's intelligent and seems to have a good business sense. He's like an older brother, and the players said, 'Hey, take care of it for me.' " Schaffer, whose list of NFL clients also includes former Tar Heels receiver Hakeem Nicks (New York Giants) and tight end Richard Quinn (Denver Broncos), said Hawkins has never asked him to do anything to violate NCAA rules. "He hasn't asked me for money and hasn't asked me to do anything illegal," Schaffer said. "In my dealings with him, he's done nothing improper." Schaffer said he met with two current Tar Heels players in Chapel Hill this summer, but said the players paid for their own meals. Schaffer said he arranged the meeting with the UNC players, which is allowable under NCAA rules, and said Hawkins also attended. Schaffer would not identify the players. Schaffer said he and Memphis-based agent Jimmy Sexton were invited to spring practice by UNC coach Butch Davis to educate Tar Heels players about NCAA rules regarding agents during spring practice. Conner, whose NFL clients include former Florida State players Patrick Robinson, Chauncey Davis and Dekoda Watson, did not return phone calls seeking comment on Thursday. North Carolina and NCAA officials refused comment. Last week, North Carolina suspended 13 players for its 30-24 loss to LSU in the Chick-fil-A Kickoff Game at Atlanta's Georgia Dome. Seven starters were suspended, including All-America candidates Marvin Austin and Robert Quinn, while the NCAA investigates alleged improper contact with agents and academic fraud. Austin, a defensive tackle who is considered a potential first-round pick in the 2011 NFL draft, was indefinitely suspended by the school last month for reasons not related to the NCAA inquiry. Austin has been at the center of allegations of an alleged agent-sponsored party in South Florida, which also led to Alabama defensive lineman Marcel Dareus and South Carolina tight end Weslye Saunders being suspended by their respective schools. Hawkins said the NCAA has tried to connect him to the South Florida trip but without success. Hawkins has also conceded he is good friends with UNC cornerbacks Kendric Burney and Charles Brown, who were held out of the opener against LSU amid the NCAA's investigation. A source familiar with the investigation told ESPN.com that the NCAA sent letters to at least 20 agents two weeks ago, asking if they would be interviewed about their recruitment of current North Carolina players. North Carolina associate head coach John Blake, who was considered the staff's best recruiter, resigned on Sunday. Blake's relationship with California-based agent Gary Wichard is also being scrutinized by the NCAA, according to a source. Last month, UNC officials said the school is investigating allegations of academic fraud involving some of the school's football players. During interviews about agents, a UNC player told officials a tutor formerly employed by Davis improperly helped players write papers for classes. "

[Edited on September 10, 2010 at 2:05 PM. Reason : .]

9/10/2010 2:04:04 PM

They were just talking to the guy the wrote the article on DG's show.

9/10/2010 2:31:00 PM

didn't see it posted here.
open letter to state fans on IC:

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"Did you not see the game against LSU on Saturday? Our BACKUPS (true freshman, sophomores and several WALK-ONS) took it to LSU and came within a blown interference call of beating LSU before time ran out. Now you know that the band of merry rejects TOB has put together in W.Rawlee isn't ANYWHERE close to being able to hang with LSU. What do you think is going to happen to your little garbage team on November 20th when they come over to Kenan to play the Heels. Mind you, this will be after (1) we have back the 6 players who were held our of LSU game strictly as a precaution (2) we also have back some of the other 7 who will have completed any suspension handed down by the NCAA (AJ Green is coming back for UGA and the DT is coming back from Alabama, so you know we will get many of ours back too), and (3) our 2nd and 3rd string and ST have been able to gel and improve dramatically over the 10 games since the LSU game? I can tell you what will happen - the Heels are going to unleash a BEATDOWN on your little wolfpups that will be one for the ages. Haven't you thought about that at all since Saturday? Don't you realize how demoralized and embarassed you will be when it happens? How will you show your face at work? On the downside for UNC fans -- better be ready to cut your own grass after Nov 20, because the NCSU fans who normally mows your lawn aint gonna show after that."

9/10/2010 2:36:27 PM

I guess they have forgotten that all those players were there last year and some the year before, and the year before that.

9/10/2010 2:38:15 PM

en epic beatdown eh? maybe something like 41-10?

9/10/2010 2:40:43 PM

nothing would make me happier than to blow them out again this season

IC might cease to exist if that happened

9/10/2010 2:41:13 PM

Seriously,

I hope we beat the ever living fuck out of them. Their conceitedness in the midst of all of this mess is absolutely mind-blowing. Their program could potentially be ripped apart and they still have their noses toward the sky. I refuse to let myself be satisfied just by beating UNC this year, but damned if I'm not circling November 20th on my calendar.

9/10/2010 2:47:52 PM

we beat them last year with Quinn, MA, Little, Sturdivant, Burney, Brown, Carter, Williams, etc
we beat them the year before with Quinn, MA, Little, Sturdivant, Burney, Brown, Carter, Williams, etc
we beat them the year before that with Quinn, MA, Little, Sturdivant, Burney, Brown, Carter, Williams, etc

the only difference is, State is a better team this year than the last 3 years...and UNC isn't going to have all the players that they had when we beat them the last 3 years

9/10/2010 2:58:35 PM

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"we beat them last year with Quinn, MA, Little, Sturdivant, Burney, Brown, Carter, Williams, etc we beat them the year before with Quinn, MA, Little, Sturdivant, Burney, Brown, Carter, Williams, etc we beat them the year before that with Quinn, MA, Little, Sturdivant, Burney, Brown, Carter, Williams, etc the only difference is, State is a better team this year than the last 3 years...and UNC isn't going to have all the players that they had when we beat them the last 3 years"

9/10/2010 3:01:36 PM