That's not good enough. You can't even give us one piece of proof?

Quote :

""Proof please...Rational people need proof.""

11/17/2005 1:40:51 PM

http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.org/ieindex.html

Theres all of the information from his 2000 libel suit against Deborah Lipstadt. Its a pretty compelling case. If anything, its more proof than you have ever provided.

11/17/2005 1:49:04 PM

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"This website is a project of Emory University's Rabbi Donald Tam Institute for Jewish Studies."

OMG! JEWS MAKING ALLEGATIONS ABOUT SOMEONE WHO DISAGREES WITH THE HOLOCAUST OFFICIAL STORY! THEY EVEN CALLED HIM A "RACIST" AND AND "ANTI-SEMITE"!! I'VE NEVER HEARD JEWS MAKE THOSE KIND OF ALLEGATIONS BEFORE!! WELL, THEY NEVER THROW THOSE TYPE OF ALLEGATIONS AROUND LIBERALLY TO ANYONE WHO EVEN CRITICIZES THEM!! REALLY! I'M SERIOUS! IF THEY SAY THIS GUY'S WITH THE NEO-NAZIS, THEN YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK! BOY, THIS IRVING MUST REALLY BE A BAD GUY! THANKS FOR THE INFO!!

11/17/2005 1:58:19 PM

Ah, don't respond to the information, just discount all of it because the Jews made this website to discredit the brilliant David Irving. Do you think that they just made up all of the evidence? The court found him guilty of being a holocaust denier.

Click on the "evidence" tab on the left if you want to learn something. It includes an evaluation of Irving's use of historical sources as well as an examination of his connections with neo-nazi and extremist groups.

Of course, this won't consider any of this because it contradicts your entire view of the world.

11/17/2005 2:14:32 PM

Quote :

"Ah, don't respond to the information, just discount all of it because the Jews made this website to discredit the brilliant David Irving. "

Ah, don't respond to Irving's information, just discount all of it because he supposedly "associates with neo-nazi and other extremist groups."

11/17/2005 2:20:36 PM

"Supposedly"? Its very well documented. Use google if you don't believe me.

In all honesty, I have more training as a historian than David Irving does. His conclusions are laughable.

Quote :

"Click on the "evidence" tab on the left if you want to learn something. It includes an evaluation of Irving's use of historical sources as well as an examination of his connections with neo-nazi and extremist groups."

[Edited on November 17, 2005 at 2:25 PM. Reason : JEWS IN MY KEYBOARD]

11/17/2005 2:25:22 PM

It was once deemed an "irrefutable fact" that 4 million people died at Auschwitz alone. The current estimate is well below that.

Estimates Of Auschwitz Dead Declines by at least 2.5 million over time
http://www.rense.com/general62/auch.htm

Here's the estimate given on the official Auschwitz Museum website:

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"The overall number of victims of Auschwitz in the years 1940-1945 is estimated at between 1,100,000 and 1,500,000 people. http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/html/eng/historia_KL/liczba_narodowosc_ofiar_ok.html"

11/18/2005 9:09:30 AM

I posted this in your tyranny thread, yet you never responded to it:

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"This is actually a website that completely refutes your denial of the gas chambers and debunks the Leuchter report. Of course, you will brush it off as propaganda and stick to your theory, despite however much evidence contradicts it. http://www.remember.org/History.root.rev.html A Holocaust survivor responds to Holocaust denial: http://www.holocaust-history.org/denial-hoax/ The testimony of Holocaust Survivor David Leitner: http://judaism.about.com/library/2_holocaust/testimonies/bl_leitner.htm And this was all on page one of a google search. The evidence is out there little buddy, are you big enough to question your own preconceptions?"

[Edited on November 18, 2005 at 12:39 PM. Reason : jew in keyboard]

11/18/2005 12:38:36 PM

THE JEWS GOT HIM!!!

11/18/2005 2:04:40 PM

Commentary on pictures of dead prisoners at German WWII camps:

Quote :

"The bodies are those of people incapable of work. They could not have been worked to death. The bodies are those of people who've suffered malnutrition over an extended period. They could not have gotten that way on a short train ride to the gas chambers. The bodies are, in fact, those of people who died after suffering from prolonged disease or illness. They are the bodies of the dead one finds at a hospice. Perhaps the disease that killed many of them was typhus. One way to discourage typhus is by using a good insecticide on the lice that spread typhus ~ an insecticide like Zyklon B, Americans used cyanide for that purpose during and after WWII. The bodies of the emaciated people in your photo does not show any effort was made to hasten their deaths. http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=294150826&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=4&vc=1&t=0"

This has been referred to before. Many of the prisoners died of disease, and others possibly due to malnutrition after the supply lines were cut and interrupted late in the war. Also, the only "gas chambers" that existed were delousing chambers used to prevent disease. That was the purpose of any Zyklon B gas.

11/21/2005 4:42:38 PM

RIGHT.

OH HOW WE LOVE PRISONPLANET!!!1

11/21/2005 4:45:49 PM

More commentary on the Hollow Co$t Hoax:

Quote :

"Half the German leadership were themseleves of Jewish background, you lying bastard! Far from "trying to kill all the jews", tens of thosands of jews fought FOR the Reich, including thousands who fought in the SS! In fact the very founder of the SS was Jewish! In fact Hitler's own chosen successor, murdered by the Allies, was Jewish! In fact, the head of the Luftwaffe was Jewish! In fact the Wehrmacht Soldier of teh year for 1938 was Werner Goldberg! In fact Ellie "the weasel" Weisell was offered the opportunity to join the Soviet "liberators" or evacuate with the retreating Germans ("who wanted to kill all the Jews") and guess which he chose? - and on and on and on! [...] According to the World Almanac and the Jewish Encyclopedia itself, there were more Jews living in the world AFTER WW2 than before - and that after a war that slaughtered 55 million people! Both the International red cross and the Vatican had access to the German LABOR camps throughout the war years (as opposed to the TRUE DEATH CAMPS RUN BY THE ALLIES FROM WHICH THEY WERE BANNED!), and both estimated that approx. 200,000 Jewish persons had perished during the war years FROM ALL CAUSES - old age, illness (like Ann Frank), Allied terror bombing... The Hollow Hoax bears zero forensic scrutiny, absolutely ZERO, and that's why they need to make their draconian dicatorial talmudic "hate laws" and so forth to try to silence those who would know the truth about history - because truth needs no laws to enforce it! http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_news&Number=294150826&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=4&vc=1&t=0"

[Edited on November 21, 2005 at 4:48 PM. Reason : 1]

11/21/2005 4:47:48 PM

^In a letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, the cremating
capacity of the five Auschwitz crematoriums is specified as 4,756 per 24 working hours.
^note man in SS uniform firing pistol at wounded woman

^exexcution of Jew in Nazi occupied Ukraine

^A mass execution of Jews in Nazi occupied Soviet Union. Naked Jews, including a young boy, just before their murder.

^A report from Himmler to Hitler, listing 363,211 Jews murdered in the Nazi occupied Soviet Union during August-November of 1942.

^An inventory for the underground floor of Krema III in Auschwitz, specifying the presence of "14 brausen" (14 shower heads) and one "gasdichtetur" (gas-tight door) in the gas chamber (Leichenkeller 1). This room, sometimes referred to as a "gassing cellar" in the SS-correspondence, had fake shower heads installed to mislead the victims into believing they were going to be washed. "Leichenkeller 2" (referred to many times as an "undressing room" in SS-correspondence), doesn't have a gas tight door or shower heads.

^Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. There were four such "Einsatzgruppen" who carried out the massacres of Jews in the Soviet Union.

^The plan of the gas chamber of Krema II in Auschwitz. The air extraction system (which the Holocaust deniers claim didn't exist) is clearly shown: "entluftungskanal" means air extraction duct, and "Beluftung" means ventilation. Remains of the air-extraction system can still be seen in the ruins.


Please refute.

[Edited on November 21, 2005 at 6:15 PM. Reason : .]

11/21/2005 6:14:00 PM

oh that's all zionist propaganda, doctored images and forged documents!!!!11

11/21/2005 6:21:34 PM

Is it true that the germans used jew skin for lampshades? I forget where I heard that.

11/21/2005 6:24:31 PM

jewskin quarterly, the quarterly magazine for nazi sympathizers

11/21/2005 6:29:20 PM

^^

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"Ilse Koch (her first name has two syllables; her last name sounds like the Scottish"loch") is the most famous of all Germans accused of having committed atrocities during the war. She was the wife of the commandant of the Buchenwald camp. She was twice convicted in post-war trials, once by an international court and once by her own country. The chief charges against her were cruelty to inmates, including murder, but what she is best-known for is the making of human-skin ornaments, including the lampshades of which we've all heard. It's exceedingly well-documented that such ornaments did exist; there's no question but that someone made them out of human skin. When one can see a book whose cover is tanned skin with a decorative tattoo on it, there's little question that the skin was that of a human being. If one has any doubt as to the origin of the substance, one should examine the forensic report conducted on some of the skin. It concludes, based on microscopic examination and the placement of the nipples and navel, that the skin was certainly human."

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/clay-koch-01.html

11/21/2005 6:54:50 PM

11/21/2005 10:44:14 PM

Go to the museum, motherfucker.

Then tell me there wasn't a holocaust.

11/21/2005 10:52:41 PM

A FACTUAL APPRAISAL OF THE "HOLOCAUST" BY THE RED CROSS
http://thunderbay.indymedia.org/news/2005/01/18220.php

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"There is one survey of the Jewish question in Europe during World War Two and the conditions of Germany's concentration camps which is almost unique in its honesty and objectivity, the three-volume Report of the International Committee of the Red Cross on its Activities during the Second World War, Geneva, 1948. [...] No Evidence Of Genocide One of the most important aspects of the Red Cross Report is that it clarifies the true cause of those deaths that undoubtedly occurred in the camps toward the end of the war. Says the Report: "In the chaotic condition of Germany after the invasion during the final months of the war, the camps received no food supplies at all and starvation claimed an increasing number of victims. Itself alarmed by this situation, the German Government at last informed the ICRC on February 1st, 1945 ... In March 1945, discussions between the President of the ICRC and General of the S.S. Kaltenbrunner gave even more decisive results. Relief could henceforth be distributed by the ICRC, and one delegate was authorised to stay in each camp ..." (Vol. III, p. 83). Clearly, the German authorities were at pains to relieve the dire situation as far as they were able. The Red Cross are quite explicit in stating that food supplies ceased at this time due to the Allied bombing of German transportation, and in the interests of interned Jews they had protested on March 15th, 1944 against "the barbarous aerial warfare of the Allies" (Inter Arma Caritas, p. 78). By October 2nd, 1944, the ICRC warned the German Foreign Office of the impending collapse of the German transportation system, declaring that starvation conditions for people throughout Germany were becoming inevitable."

11/22/2005 9:48:50 AM

Quote :

"And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber. And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself. And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own midwest. And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil. One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possesed me then. And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?" And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots! You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust." And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared, "Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you! Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!" Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus. "

11/22/2005 10:15:48 AM

^In a letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, the cremating
capacity of the five Auschwitz crematoriums is specified as 4,756 per 24 working hours.
^note man in SS uniform firing pistol at wounded woman

^exexcution of Jew in Nazi occupied Ukraine

^A mass execution of Jews in Nazi occupied Soviet Union. Naked Jews, including a young boy, just before their murder.

^A report from Himmler to Hitler, listing 363,211 Jews murdered in the Nazi occupied Soviet Union during August-November of 1942.

^An inventory for the underground floor of Krema III in Auschwitz, specifying the presence of "14 brausen" (14 shower heads) and one "gasdichtetur" (gas-tight door) in the gas chamber (Leichenkeller 1). This room, sometimes referred to as a "gassing cellar" in the SS-correspondence, had fake shower heads installed to mislead the victims into believing they were going to be washed. "Leichenkeller 2" (referred to many times as an "undressing room" in SS-correspondence), doesn't have a gas tight door or shower heads.

^Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. There were four such "Einsatzgruppen" who carried out the massacres of Jews in the Soviet Union.

^The plan of the gas chamber of Krema II in Auschwitz. The air extraction system (which the Holocaust deniers claim didn't exist) is clearly shown: "entluftungskanal" means air extraction duct, and "Beluftung" means ventilation. Remains of the air-extraction system can still be seen in the ruins.


Please refute.

11/22/2005 11:34:27 AM

Good article:

http://thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=3840

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"Why the Sudden Clampdown on Revisionists? Rixon Stewart November 20, 2005 Virtually unreported by the mainstream media and given little prominence even by those outlets that have reported it – probably so as not to alert too many – recent weeks have seen a major clampdown across the planet. On both sides of the Atlantic historians, researchers and investigators have been arrested, detained and deported to Germany to face charges of “Holocaust Denial”. Among their number is German born Ernst Zundel, who immigrated to Canada in 1958 to work as a graphic artist. In the 1980's, he published a book called "Did Six Million Really Die?" and thereafter continued publishing and questioning conventional notions surrounding the holocaust. [...] Likewise Germar Rudolph was also recently deported back to Germany to face similar charges. A German-trained chemist, Rudolf re-examined Auschwitz and Birkenau in 1989 for traces of Zyklon B, the gas the Nazis are supposed to have used to gas millions. As a scientist, he found the "gassing" claims to be scientifically untenable and therefore, in the eyes of German law, was judged to be “denying the Holocaust”. [...] Similarly, British historian David Irving was arrested on November 14, 2005, while visiting Vienna at the invitation of students from the city’s university. [...] So why the sudden clampdown on Revisionists and why now? It’s been suggested that the Internet has panicked the Zionists, who to a large extent owe their power and influence to the Holocaust. After all, Israel was founded on its memory and if it’s proven to be a lie, or at least a gross exaggeration, the power the Zionists hold over ordinary Jews could be undermined. For the very notion of the Holocaust has been used not only to extract financial redress from other nations but also to keep ordinary Jews compliant. In effect, it’s become like a grotesque doll wielded by witch doctors, used to keep individuals from asking too many questions, from thinking for themselves and stepping out of line. Formally the likes of Ernst Zundel might have been written off as cranks or extremists but Internet changes that. It allows isolated individuals to question, often quite convincingly, the official line touted by the establishment and the mainstream media. Moreover, the Internet illustrates that the accused are not “Holocaust Deniers” – in the sense that they deny the Holocaust ever took place – or “right wing extremists” intent on resurrecting the Third Reich. That’s what the mainstream media would us believe but almost without exception, the accused admit that the Nazis were guilty of gross human rights abuses. What’s at issue here are the numbers of dead, how they died and whether there was any clear plan of genocide at all. In effect these men were engaged in historical inquiry, trying to establish the truth and broadcasting their findings, and that cannot be allowed in the New World Order. Without even questioning what happened during the Holocaust, we should be asking ourselves: if it’s necessary to exact such draconian measures against those who ask questions, what exactly is being protected here? Are historical truth and the memory of dead holocaust victims being defended? Or is it one of the foundations of the New World Order, modern Zionist power? Finally, a 1948 Red Cross report details nearly a quarter of a million Jews died in Nazi concentration camps but found no evidence of Genocide. This is in distinct contrast to the figure touted nowadays by the mainstream media and portrayed by Hollywood. At the time the Red Cross was a neutral body with no political axe to grind, so why the difference? And we need to ask ourselves, not only why there is such a difference in the numbers but also why those who ask such questions are being silenced? Like they say: “he who controls the past, controls the present…” and our perception of past events shapes the way we look at the world around us now. The Zionists understand this and know that the idea of the “Holocaust” is crucial to their power. Which is why such harsh measures are being exacted against those who ask too many questions."

11/22/2005 12:19:13 PM

^In a letter from SS-Sturmbannfuehrer Jahrling to SS-General Kammler, the cremating
capacity of the five Auschwitz crematoriums is specified as 4,756 per 24 working hours.
^note man in SS uniform firing pistol at wounded woman

^exexcution of Jew in Nazi occupied Ukraine

^A mass execution of Jews in Nazi occupied Soviet Union. Naked Jews, including a young boy, just before their murder.

^A report from Himmler to Hitler, listing 363,211 Jews murdered in the Nazi occupied Soviet Union during August-November of 1942.

^An inventory for the underground floor of Krema III in Auschwitz, specifying the presence of "14 brausen" (14 shower heads) and one "gasdichtetur" (gas-tight door) in the gas chamber (Leichenkeller 1). This room, sometimes referred to as a "gassing cellar" in the SS-correspondence, had fake shower heads installed to mislead the victims into believing they were going to be washed. "Leichenkeller 2" (referred to many times as an "undressing room" in SS-correspondence), doesn't have a gas tight door or shower heads.

^Part of a report detailing murder of Jews in the Nazi occupied Baltic states and White Russia by Einsatzgruppe (special action unit) A, submitted at February 1, 1942. There were four such "Einsatzgruppen" who carried out the massacres of Jews in the Soviet Union.

^The plan of the gas chamber of Krema II in Auschwitz. The air extraction system (which the Holocaust deniers claim didn't exist) is clearly shown: "entluftungskanal" means air extraction duct, and "Beluftung" means ventilation. Remains of the air-extraction system can still be seen in the ruins.


Please refute.

11/22/2005 12:48:01 PM

11/22/2005 12:52:19 PM

Spam and cursing from the hollow co$t proponents. Keep it up guys.

11/22/2005 12:56:12 PM

Spam? Either you didn't see it or you simply couldn't respond to it.

Now we know which one it is. Thanks, little buddy.

11/22/2005 12:59:44 PM

It's amazing that you would offer those pictures as conclusive proof of the official Holocaust story. We don't know the context and facts surrounding the pictures, like when the picture was taken, who's in the pictures, or what is actually happening is some cases.

1st picture: What building is this? English labels placed on a view of a building. Oh, and you can really tell it's a crematorium from a view of a roof. Wow. Startling proof you got there.

2nd picture. A guy on the ground and two soldiers laughing? Who's the guy on the ground? A jew, I'm sure you would say. How do we know? How did he fall down? For all we know, he's a non-Jew who slipped and fell and these guys are getting a good laugh out of it.

3rd picture: It looks to me like this could be a picture of the camps after they were liberated and many of the people who had died from disease are pictured. This could be the U.S. army who is burning the bodies. I thought the Nazis cremated the bodies (as you say). Why are the bodies laying around and apparantly being burned in mass on the ground?

5th, 6th, & 7th pictures: Again, who are the dead and the people about to be killed? I'm sure you say they are all Jews. For all we know, they're not Jews.

Documents and diagrams: Are these translated accurately? Are these even genuine German documents and diagrams? Who wrote/drew these documents? Have the documents been manipulated or altered in any way?

Oh, and...

Tell me how the Nazis made lamp shades out of Jews' skin again. Tell me how they made soap out of Jews' fat. I'll be waiting.


[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 1:29 PM. Reason : `]

11/22/2005 1:19:49 PM

So when a document supports what you want to believe (Protocols of the Elders of Zion) you don't question its authenticity. However, when documents contradict your beliefs, you immediately assume that they are forgeries. Again your logic is brilliant. If these are such blatant fakes, please prove it.

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/clay-koch-01.html

http://www.nizkor.org/features/techniques-of-denial/soap-01.html

11/22/2005 1:26:03 PM

Pictures can never be used for propaganda purposes...

Picture proves a "Serbian death camp" in Bosnia!!
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/tradecencrimes/page501.html

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 1:40 PM. Reason : `]

11/22/2005 1:30:09 PM

^^^ so...ive been to germany (went in high school) and seen concentration camps ...are you saying they were contructed as a farce?

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 1:31 PM. Reason : 2 ]

11/22/2005 1:31:09 PM

You apparantly don't know much about my position. If you did, you know that I have said repeatedly that camps did exist. Yes, there were camps. They were slave labor camps. And...*surprise surprise*....there weren't just Jews at the camps. There were also many non-jewish Germans and Poles and others. They were NOT "extermination camps." The stories about "gas chambers" used for extermination are lies. Wartime propaganda. There were rooms for delousing the prisoners to prevent disease, but no extermination gas chambers. The camps and rooms may have been altered in some ways by the allies after the war to support their propaganda.


[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 1:39 PM. Reason : `]

11/22/2005 1:37:30 PM

So you're saying that the testimonies of Holocaust survivors, Allies who liberated the camps, and Nazis at Nuremburg are all just a clever hoax? How did the Jews get all of those people to tell the same lie?

11/22/2005 1:50:40 PM

^^ and all teh jews that were holocaust survivors, now like 70, are just lying about how they saw massive death and torture?

all the WWII vets who saw the camps are all lying too huh?

this is why nobody takes you seriously.

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 2:36 PM. Reason : 0]

11/22/2005 2:35:25 PM

Quote :

"So you're saying that the testimonies of Holocaust survivors, Allies who liberated the camps, and Nazis at Nuremburg are all just a clever hoax? How did the Jews get all of those people to tell the same lie?"

Oh, the "holocaust survivors"? All 3 million plus of them? (I guess the Nazis weren't as good at "exterminating" the Jews as you think. Do you really think 3 million plus Jews were liberated from the camps?) Are you taling about "holocaust survivors" like that old lady (I posted the article in this thread) who claims to be a "holocaust survivor" even though she left Germany in 1933? I guess all Jews (even ones who weren't in Germany at the time) qualify as "holocaust survivors." No wonder there are so many "holocaust survivors." Oh, do you mean "holocaust survivors" like the now esposed liar Elie Wiesel? And he's arguably the most prominent "holocuast survivor." And don't let me forget the "Diary of Anne Frank", which has been exposed (in court) as fiction.

As for testimony from Allies who liberated the camps...where is the testimony supporting the gas chambers? I haven't seen it. The testimony I've read from the Allies rejects the notion of the gas chambers.

Oh, yes, the "testimony" of the Nazis at Nuremberg. You know, don't you, that much of that "testimony" was extracted through the use of torture?

Quote :

"^^ and all teh jews that were holocaust survivors, now like 70, are just lying about how they saw massive death and torture? all the WWII vets who saw the camps are all lying too huh? this is why nobody takes you seriously."

Where is all this testimony you are talking about? Can you present any of it here?

[Edited on November 22, 2005 at 2:53 PM. Reason : `]

11/22/2005 2:48:20 PM

Night - Elie Wiezel

11/22/2005 2:51:30 PM

Here's an interview with Norman G. Finkelstein, author of "The Holocaust Industry."

http://www.salon.com/books/int/2000/08/30/finkelstein/

Quote :

"Shoah business The son of an Auschwitz survivor accuses the "Holocaust industry," Elie Wiesel and Jewish leaders worldwide of a vast shakedown. [...] You also attack Elie Wiesel. Why? Elie Wiesel is such a ridiculous character. In private Elie Wiesel is the subject of much ridicule. The expression "There's no business like Shoah-business" is literally coined for him. So it's not as if I'm the first one to call the emperor naked, but in public -- yes. [...] On a more relevant note, Wiesel defenders argue that thanks to people like him, we understand more about genocides around the world. Thanks to Elie Wiesel we have a distorted and disfigured and frankly meaningless version of the Nazi Holocaust and we only know about those genocides that serve the interest of the U.S. and Israel, and we forget the ones that don't. [...] You go a step further and argue that the "Holocaust industry" has become an even bigger Holocaust denier than the usual Holocaust deniers. How so? The official number of Holocaust survivors the Israeli government now gives is a million. Or 960,000, to be exact. At the same time Jewish organizations have been claiming, since the early '90s, that 10,000 die each month. So that would mean that in 1990 there were 2 million survivors left. In 1990, not more that a quarter could be alive from World War II. That means 8 million in May 1945. Well, there were fewer than 8 million Jews in all of Nazi-occupied Europe. In other words, if these numbers are correct, the Holocaust didn't happen. As my mother used to say, if everyone who claims to be a Holocaust survivor actually is one, who did Hitler kill? [...] How are you disarming the Holocaust deniers? Now they say: "Told you so." If David Irving [the British Holocaust denier] is saying, "Well, an Auschwitz survivor is born every day," he can say that, because if you look at the numbers of the Holocaust industry, it's true. The way you defang the deniers is by scrupulously preserving the historical record. The only way we can learn from the Holocaust is by restoring it as a rational object of historical inquiry, and the only way we can do that is by putting the Holocaust industry out of business."

11/22/2005 3:24:32 PM

The testimonies of 4 SS guards at Treblinka.

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocTreb.htm

The testimonies of SS guards at Auschwitz.

http://fcit.coedu.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocAusc2.htm

The testimonies of various SS officers.

http://www.auschwitz.dk/sobibor/SSofficers.htm

The testimony of Lt. Jack Taylor, an american POW sent to Mauthausen.

http://www.scrapbookpages.com/Mauthausen/KZMauthausen/Trials/Mauthausen03.html

The testimony of Lt. Col. Felix L. Sparks.

http://remember.org/witness/sparks.html

The testimony of Dan Johnson.

http://remember.org/witness/liberators.html#Dan

The testimony of 1st. Lt. William Cowling.

http://remember.org/witness/cowling.html

The testimony of Harry J. Herder, Jr.

http://remember.org/witness/herder.html

The testimony of Glenn Edward Belcher.

http://remember.org/witness/belcher.html

The testimony of Bruce Nickols.

http://remember.org/witness/ohrdruf.html

The testimony of Charles V. Ferree.

http://www.remember.org/witness/chuckf.html

The testimony of Bill Sarnoff.

http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps/Witnesses/AvramEng.html

There's more if you need it.

11/22/2005 4:20:00 PM

http://www.rense.com/general68/susni.htm

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"The UN Decides On A Universal Ban On Revisionism By Robert Faurisson 11-19-5 On November 1st, unanimously and without a vote, the representatives of the 191 nations making up the UN adopted - or let be adopted - an Israeli-drafted resolution proclaiming January 27th "International Day of Commemoration in memory of the victims of the Holocaust". Moreover, the resolution "Rejects any denial of the Holocaust as an historical event, either in full or part". Historical revisionism thus sees its existence acknowledged by the whole world, a fact proving that it has some life in it, but, at the same time, this decision means that the revisionists find themselves struck with the reprobation of all the countries of the world. As for the "State" of the Vatican, which has no seat at the UN, it had, as early as in 1992, declared: "There is no historical revisionism that can call into question the inhuman abyss of the Holocaust" (&laqno; Non c'è revisionismo storico che possa rimettere in discussione l'abisso disumano dell'Olocausto ») ( L'Osservatore Romano, 7 November1992). The history of human societies and religions is rich in prohibitions, bannings, excommunications but, whereas, up to a recent past, the victims could, at least in principle, hope to find a refuge outside of their land or group of origin, here the condemnation is, for the first time ever, of universal character. It is thus confirmed that historical revisionism is a phenomenon of exceptional nature and also that the Jews, yet once more, have been able to obtain exorbitant privileges. "

Can you think of any other issue where such a harsh stance is taken against those who merely speak out against the official story of a historical event? To the point of criminalizing free speech? I can't. But Bush's comments on 9/11 come close...

"Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."

--GW Bush speaking before the UN GeGeneral Assembly 11/10/2001

Extreme measures and harsh warnings to combat freedom of speech qeustioning the official story in both of these situations. The truth needs no laws to enforce it because the truth is self evident and supported by facts. Only lies need laws to enforce their adherence. Looks to me like there are BIG secrets and lies involved in both of these cases.

11/23/2005 9:34:06 AM

Can you refute the testimony presented?

11/23/2005 12:16:48 PM

Britain's Ian Buckley On The Trials of Ernst Zundel
http://www.rense.com/general68/buckleyonzundel.htm

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"...Zundel 'denies' much less than some might imagine, saying that: 'It is absolutely true that Jews were incarcerated and often treated cruelly. They were seen as the enemy, just as in our times the "Nazis" are seen as the enemy of entrenched oligarchies.' He just disbelieves in the existence of extermination gas chambers, after initiating some first hand research on the matter. Surely the normal, rational procedure would be have honest, open debate on this subject, and not to suppress one side of the argument. Suspicion must always fall on those who attempt to silence their opponents. One very important statement on the case was made by Dr. Roger Dommergue from France, who had this to say to American officials: 'I have known M. Zundel these last 20 years, and as a Jew I felt compelled to check what he said and published. I became conscious of the fact that he was a most distinguished mind, that he told the truth and that I could understand why my all-powerful peers did not like him! I feel that a country in which he resides can be proud of having him. Please give him back his liberty in the country of liberty, and keep away from the totalitarianism of my worst peers who think they have all the rights because of their financial and political power.'"

[Edited on November 27, 2005 at 10:45 AM. Reason : `]

11/27/2005 10:44:40 AM

What Is Behind The Tide Of Historians Being Arrested?
http://judicial-inc.biz/historians_arrested.htm

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"International Zionism has declared war on historians that question, or seek to contradict the official history of the Holocaust. The notoriety of these arrests is meant to send a message to all historians, and educators. [...] The explosion of the internet, as a research tool, has World Zionism panicked. Until the net, the Zundels, Irvings, Germars, Luetchers, Farrisons, Tobens, were a local phenomena, without a great deal of impact. With the advent of the net, this odd clique of historians has become a potent force."

11/27/2005 11:09:56 AM

Credit the author of this article for at least recognizing the fact that these men are REVISIONISTS, not "Holocaust deniers." They aren't saying that Jews weren't in camps and that many didn't die. They are challenging some of details of the official Holocaust story, just like the Auschwitz Museum did in 1990 when it revised down the number killed at Auschwitz from 4 million to 1.5 million. They are revisionists who are facing charges of "holocaust denial."

http://www.forward.com/articles/6932

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"Europe Seen Cracking Down on Holocaust Revisionists By MARC PERELMAN November 25, 2005 In a flurry of activity on both sides of the Atlantic, several so-called revisionists have been arrested on Holocaust denial charges in recent weeks. Three revisionists — Germar Rudolph, Ernst Zundel and Siegfried Verbeke — have been extradited to Germany. But the most visible case involves far-right British historian David Irving, who was arrested November 11 in Vienna, Austria, on 16-year-old charges that he publicly denied aspects of the Holocaust — a crime in Austria. [...] "As the new owner of Germar Rudolf's publishing company, I wish to express my outrage that the Holocaust, unlike any other historical event, is not subject to critical revisionist investigation," said Michael Santomauro..."Furthermore I deplore the fact that many so-called democratic states have laws that criminalize public doubting of the Holocaust. It is my position that the veracity of Holocaust assertions should be determined in the marketplace of scholarly discourse and not in our legislature's bodies and courthouses.""

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"The interesting thing about the "crime" of holocaust denial is that the truth is no defense at all. You can be telling the absolute truth and even be able to prove it ... and still go to jail for several years. Meanwhile, if Zundel, Irving, Rudolph and Verbeke are being sent to jail for challenging the orthodox story, then why hasn't the International Red Cross been arrested? after all, they had access to the German camps, both POW and labor, and their official reports do not support the orthodox accounts popularized in novels, TV shows, and films. And, if Zundel, Irving, Rudolph and Verbeke are being sent to jail for challenging the orthodox story, then so too should the curators of the Auschwitz museum, for daring to revise downward the total number of dead at the camps from 4 million to1 1/2 million in 1990. Nobody locks up people who claim to see Bigfoot, or who think Elvis is alive. People with such loony notions are simply allowed their freedom of speech, then ridiculed, then ignored. If Zundel, Irving, Rudolph and Verbeke are totally crazy, why the intense pressure to steal them from their homes and ship them to Germany for the crime of simply not agreeing with a particular spin of the history of WW2? Truth needs no laws to support it. Throughout history, from Galileo to Zundel, only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma. More than anything else, it is the extreme tactics employed by the defenders of the orthodoxy that calls into doubt the accuracy of the history they proclaim to the world. http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/"

11/28/2005 8:56:40 AM

Rudolf Höss Was Tortured Into 'Confessing'
http://www.rense.com/general68/hoss.htm

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"How the British Obtained The Confessions Of Rudolf Höss By Dr. Robert Faurisson The Journal for Historical Review Winter 1986 Volume 7 page 389 11-27-5 Rudolf Höss was the first of three successive commandants of the Auschwitz concentration camp. He is often called "the Commandant of Auschwitz," and the general public knows of him from a book published under the title Commandant in Auschwitz. He appeared before the International Military Tribunal as a witness on 15 April 1946, where his deposition caused a sensation. To the amazement of the defendants and in the presence of journalists from around the world, he confessed to the most frightful crimes that history had ever known. He said that he had personally received an order from Himmler to exterminate the Jews. He estimated that at Auschwitz 3,000,000 people had been exterminated, 2,500,000 of them by means of gas chambers. His confessions were false. They had been extorted from Höss by torture, but it took until 1983 to learn the identity of the torturers and the nature of the tortures they inflicted upon him. The confessions of Rudolf Höss supply the keystone to the theory which maintains that systematic extermination of the Jews, especially by means of homicidal gas chambers, was a historical reality. "

[Edited on November 28, 2005 at 9:53 AM. Reason : `]

11/28/2005 9:52:14 AM

Jewish Harvard Professor Dr. Noel Ignatiev calls for "abolishment" of the white race
http://www.vdare.com/roberts/harvard_genocide.htm

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"Harvard Hates The White Race? By Paul Craig Roberts Is the multicultural campaign really about diversity? Or is it about stamping out Western civilization and the “white race” itself? College students will tell you that a university education today is a guilt trip for whites. The purpose is to prevent whites from appreciating and absorbing their own culture and to make it difficult for whites to resist the unreasonable demands (quotas, reparations, etc.) from “people of color.” To the questions, “who am I, what am I,” the white university graduate answers: “a racist, sexist, homophobic oppressor.” Neither parents, trustees, alumni, nor the public are aware of the anti-white propaganda that masquerades as education. When someone who is aware tells them, they think the person is exaggerating in order to make a point. Now comes Harvard educated Noel Ignatiev, an academic at Harvard’s W.E.B. DuBois Institute for African-American Research. Dr. Ignatiev is the founder of a journal, Race Traitor, which has as its motto, “treason to whiteness is loyalty to humanity.” The journal’s purpose is “to abolish the white race.” At the least, Dr. Ignatiev intends cultural and psychological genocide for whites. It is unclear whether physical extermination is part of the program. A statement by the editors on the web site says that the new abolitionists “do not limit themselves to socially acceptable means of protest, but reject in advance no means of attaining their goal.” Dr. Ignatiev does not believe his agenda is controversial. He writes: “The goal of abolishing the white race is on its face so desirable that some may find it hard to believe that it could incur any opposition other than from committed white supremacists.” Thus does he put whites on notice. If they oppose their abolition, they are “white supremacists.” According to Dr. Ignatiev, “The key to solving the social problems of our age is to abolish the white race.” “Make no mistake about it,” he says, “we intend to keep bashing the dead white males, and the live ones, and the females too, until the social construct known as ‘the white race’ is destroyed--not ‘deconstructed’ but destroyed.” What “social construct” will be left? A black one? An Hispanic one? Muslim? Asian? What about Jewish? The Washington Times reports that Dr. Ignatiev is himself Jewish. If Jewish intellectuals and Israeli political leaders can be believed, Jews have a cultural and racial consciousness. Israel is the Jewish homeland, and Israelis seem determined to keep it that way. Can anyone imagine a gentile at an Israeli university founding a magazine devoted to abolishing the Jewish race? Yet, Dr. Ignatiev believes that it is self-evident that whites in their homelands should be abolished. Where did he get this view? His only education was at Harvard where he received two graduate degrees. Is Harvard embarrassed? No. Dr. Ignatiev [ignatiev@fas.harvard.edu] is showcased in the current issue of Harvard Magazine. Getting rid of whiteness is not controversial at Harvard, because it is the business of American universities. A white skin, you see, is a mark of privilege. It is not the privilege of being admitted to Harvard even though you don’t meet the entrance requirements. It is not the privilege of being hired independently of ability because of government enforced racial quotas. It is not the privilege of being able to sue whites and “white companies” if blacks are not proportionately represented in the work force. It is not the privilege of being able to call whites every name in the book and sue if a white replies in kind."

[Edited on November 28, 2005 at 1:06 PM. Reason : `]

11/28/2005 1:05:20 PM

FLASHBACK:

Stunning Jewish Control of American Media
http://www.rense.com/general60/stun.htm

11/28/2005 1:11:18 PM

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"The Uncensored Talmud of Babylonia states: Szaaloth-Utszabot The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath when the goyim [non-Jew] asks if our books contain anything against them." Schabbouth Hag (6d): Jews may swear falsely by the use of subterfuge wording. Many researchers who check out Talmud quotes often run into Jews who make claims that the Talmud quotes are either misinterpreted or completely fake. Should we be surprised that Jews lie about the racist and anti-Christian statements in the Talmud in lieu of the above Talmud citation? Absolutely not. They are commanded to mislead and lie to Christians when a Christian asks if the Talmud contains anything against them. Further, the Jewish Kabbalah, the esoteric mystical side of Judaism that is the foundation for Freemasonry, states this: Zohar (1, 160a): Jews MUST ALWAYS try to deceive Christians. "The heirs of the Pharisees often deny the existence of the Talmud passages here cited, in order to brazenly claim that such passages are the 'fabrications of anti-semites.'" - Michael Hoffman II "Judaism's Strange gods," p.72 "In 1994, Rabbi Tzvi Marx, director of Applied Education at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem, made a remarkable admission concerning how Jewish rabbis in the past have issued two sets of texts: the authentic Talmudic texts with which they instruct their own youth in the Talmud schools (yeshiviot) and "censured and amended" versions which they disseminate to gullible non-Jews for public consumption." Michael Hoffman II, "Judaism's Strange gods," pg.71 Freemasonry, a Jewish front created to seduce Christians and their leaders also orders the same command of lying for its members. "Grand Sovereign Freemason Commander," Albert Pike writes: "Masonry...conceals its secrets from all except the Adepts and Sages, and uses false explanations and misinterpretations of its symbols to mislead." Again, many well seeking researchers, have tried to find out prominent members of the Masonic lodge including, Jehovah's Witness founder, Charles Taze Russell, Evangelist Billy Graham, Evangelist Robert Schuller, and many others, only to be flately denied by the Masons who are ordered to lie to protect the identity of the composition of their membership. Many fail to realize that Freemasons take blood oaths and swear to uphold the secrets of the rites, rituals, and membership composition. It is, in fact, the Cabalistic elements in Freemasonry that act as the main driving force in the envenomed and aggressive opposition of the latter to Christianity, and its never-flagging efforts for the undermining and destruction of the Christian organization of society. (Mgr. Dillon, The War of Anti-Christ with the Church, p. 20). "How often have I heard the Freemasons lament the dominance of the Jews...Ever since the Revolution the Jews have taken possession of the Masonic lodges more and more completely: and their dominance is now unquestioned. The Cabala rules as mistress in the inner lodges; and the Jewish spirit dominates the lower grades...In the mind of Satan the synagogue has an all important part to play...The great enemy counts on the Jews to govern Masonry as he counts on Masonry to destroy the Church of Jesus Christ (Christianity)." (L'Abbá Emmanuel Barbier, Infiltrations Maáoniques, quoted in Dictionaire Apologetique de la Foi Catholique, Gustave Gautherot; He was the Professor for the History of the Revolution in the Institute Catholique de Paris, and author of several works on different phases of the modern anti-Christian movement on which he is generally recognized as one of the best authorities). "This intimate connection between the two powers (Freemasonry and Cabalistic Judaism) (writes R. Lambelin) is becoming so evident that there is no longer any attempt made to deny it. The Jewish lodges of B'nai B'rith, which originated in the English-speaking countries, have swarmed all over Europe, and even into Asia; and they assume the leadership of control in the whole Masonic organization. Under cover of Theosophy a new religion, which is specifically Jewish, though enveloped in a nebulous mist that obscures its character, is bidding fair to take the place of the traditional Christian belief which it flatters, and insensibly destroys." (Les Victoires d'Israel, pp. 211-212; Freemasonry and The Anti-Christian Movement, Edward Cahill, p. 92). "There will burst forth one fine evening one of these formidable crises which will shake the earth and which occult societies have long prepared for Christian society, and then perhaps will suddenly appear in open day, throughout the entire world, all the militia, all the fraternal and unknown sects of the Cabala. The ignorance, the carelessness in which we live, of their sinister existence, their affinities, and their immense ramifications will in no way prevent them from recognizing each other, and under the banner of no matter what universal alliance, giving each other the kiss of Peace, they will hasten to gather together under one Chief..." (Le Juif, Le Judaisme et La Judaisation des Peuples ChrÇtiens, Gougenot des Mousseaux (1869); The Trail of the Serpent, Miss Stoddard, p. 318). "The real chiefs of this immense association of Freemasonry (the few within the innermost circles of initiation), who must not be confounded with the nominal leaders or figure-heads, are mostly Jews, and live in close and intimate alliance with the militant members of Judaism, those, namely, who are the leaders of the Cabalistic section. This älite of the Masonic association, these real chiefs, who are known to so few even of the initiated, and whom even these few know only under assumed names (noms de guerre) carry on their activities in secret dependence (which they find very lucrative for themselves) upon the Cabalistic Jews." (Le Juif, la Judaisme, et la Judaisation des Peuples ChrÇtiens (Paris, 1869), p. 340). Jeremiah 11:9 "And the LORD said unto me, A conspiracy is found among the men of Judah, and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem." http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=294107300&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part= "

11/28/2005 1:29:50 PM

what is your motivation here?

11/28/2005 1:34:28 PM

The truth.

11/28/2005 1:46:07 PM

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ll_chat&Number=294116107&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=

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"Commissioners, managers and owners who are Jewish * Gary Bettman, U.S. National Hockey League commissioner * Arthur Blank, U.S. owner of the Atlanta Falcons * Brian Cashman, U.S. General Manager of the New York Yankees * Mark Cuban, U.S. owner of the Dallas Mavericks * Al Davis, U.S. owner of the Oakland Raiders * Steve Ellman, U.S. owner of the Phoenix Coyotes * Theo Epstein, U.S. General Manager of the Boston Red Sox * Malcolm Glazer, U.S. owner of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, majority owner of Manchester United * Bob Kraft, U.S. owner of the New England Patriots * Jamie McCourt, U.S. owner of the Los Angeles Dodgers, only current female owner in major-league baseball (Jewish father) * Art Modell U.S. owner of the Baltimore Ravens * Jerry Reinsdorf U.S. owner of the Chicago Bulls, owner of the Chicago White Sox * Bud Selig, U.S. baseball commissioner * Ed Snider, U.S. owner of the Philadelphia Flyers * David Stern, U.S. basketball commissioner * Paul Tagliabue, U.S. NFL commissioner * Howard Schultz, U.S. owner of Seattle Supersonics. Founder of Starbucks * Daniel Snyder, U.S. owner of washington Redskins [...] * Marv Albert, U.S. sportscaster * Len Berman, U.S. sportscaster * Chris Berman, ESPN talk show host (father Jewish) * Howard Cosell, U.S. sportscaster "

The commissioners of the NFL, NHL, NBA, and MLB all Jewish. I guess that's another one of those bizzarre "coincidences."

11/28/2005 1:50:33 PM