I never claimed Crumpler was a WR... I said he was a better receiver than DD

12/27/2005 6:45:20 PM

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"by deep you mean winning one game?"

See, thats why you morons shouldn't talk shit about Vick, you have no clue what you are talking about. He has won more than one fucking playoff game

12/27/2005 6:53:16 PM

oh I'm sorry, the falcons under vick are 2-2 in the playoffs. That's .500. That is not call consistant or good.

12/27/2005 7:01:02 PM

how the fuck is 2-2 in the playoffs not good?

jesus

12/27/2005 7:22:33 PM

it means he is .500. I'd expect a good quarterback to be better than 2-2

p.s. 2-2 means he has won as many games as he's lost.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 7:32 PM. Reason : .]

12/27/2005 7:31:34 PM

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"See, thats why you morons shouldn't talk shit about Vick, you have no clue what you are talking about. He has won more than one fucking playoff game "

In a row?

12/27/2005 7:41:17 PM

he can win prelims, but can't win anything else.

12/27/2005 7:49:34 PM

I love how you highlight the statistic that the Falcons run D is ranked in the lower half of the league but you neglect to mention that their offense leads the league in both rushing yards and yards per carry.

Of the top 10 teams in rushing yards per game, they have the worst record.

They also have the worst passing statistics of all those teams except Chicago, and the lowest scoring average of any of those teams except Washington and Chicago.

Congratulations. Vick is better than Kyle Orton. But when it comes down to it, he's just not that productive. Warrick Dunn and the running game carries that offense.

12/27/2005 7:52:52 PM

don't let facts get in the way of rallydurham.

12/27/2005 7:58:37 PM

^^Vick is one of the big reasons they're in the top 10 in rushing, dumbass.

And his stats would look a hell of a lot better if guys like Roddy White and Michael Jenkins would stop dropping easy catches. Of course, you guys just see the stat lines, you never actually watch the games when Vick has to make plays by himself because Roddy ran the wrong route or Jenkins dropped his 6th easy catch.

I guess everyone in this thread knows more than all the sports journalists, broadcasters and analysts that say Vick is a great QB.

12/27/2005 8:05:48 PM

I can't help but think I know more, when the media is sucking his dick after he finished a game witha 16 QB rating.

12/27/2005 8:08:18 PM

^^ I love the argument "he has no one to throw to" considering that, even in a losing effort, the backup QB can throw for almost 300 yards. See, what you really want to play up is the "OMG VICK HAS A CANNON FOR AN ARM AND HIS PASSES BREAK FINGERS" -- you know, the stereotypical Favre commentary.

And I watch more Falcons games than I care to. They're the secondary regional team, so their games come on fairly often. I know I've watched more Falcons games on a Sunday than Packers games.

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"I guess everyone in this thread knows more than all the sports journalists, broadcasters and analysts that say Vick is a great QB."

I've seen them say he's a great athlete. Not so sure about a great QB though.

12/27/2005 8:29:53 PM

^^^you fucking moron, even without Vick's 42 rushing yards per game they would still be in the top half of the league in rushing. Their running attack is dominant. The fact that they've only won 8 games with it and only score 22 ppg just shows that Vick is ineffective in running an offense.

[Edited on December 27, 2005 at 8:30 PM. Reason : 2]

12/27/2005 8:29:56 PM

^^Schaub threw for 300 against a third-string defense. Of course, you knew that, but didn't want to mention it, since it would kill your argument.

^Haha, you're calling me a fucking moron when you fail to understand why Atlanta only averages 22 points per game. If you knew anything about football, you would know that when you have a horrible defense, teams dominate time of possession against you, leaving you with less time to operate your offense.

Vick isn't what's killing Atlanta. He and Dunn are the two guys that have made them competitive. Defense and lack of WR's is what's killing Atlanta. It's pretty fucking simple, ask anyone whose job is sports.

12/27/2005 10:29:34 PM

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"^^Schaub threw for 300 against a third-string defense. Of course, you knew that, but didn't want to mention it, since it would kill your argument."

That's not the argument. You're saying they have no wide receivers when they obviously have people capable of catching.

Also, Vick barely threw for over 225 combined in games against the Jets and the first game against Saints. Then he goes on later in the season to throw for a couple of 200+ yard games, so it's obviously not the receivers that are his undoing. They seem to be more than capable of catching the ball.

I'm really surprised you guys aren't using the typical Falcons fans' approach of cursing the name of Greg Knapp every chance you get.

12/28/2005 2:21:36 AM

^^Atlanta's defense is not terrible. WTF are you talking about? Its a very average D. It's in the middle of the pack in yards allowed and scoring allowed.

Also time of possession...wtf? Back that up with some fucking stats. I am willing to bet that Atlanta's average time of possession is greater than its opponents. You're so full of shit.

12/28/2005 3:06:19 AM

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"Atlanta's defense is not terrible"

You should stop posting. You've gone from throwing shit up on your keyboard to making a fool of yourself. That statement alone shows how much you know about the NFL.

Once again, maybe you should watch these games before you comment on them. Anyone who watched the ATL/TAM game knows how Atlanta's defense gave that game away. That wasn't a fluke, this defense is horrible. Mathis and a healthy Kerney would have helped a lot, but they didn't play and the defense was fucking shameful this season.

12/28/2005 3:29:50 AM

Their defense isn't terrible, but it's barely at mediocre.

Atlanta was 11th in the league in TOP.

Also, considering the Falcons are a heavily rush-first team, I don't understand why you would think someone else would dominate them in TOP to begin with.

[Edited on December 28, 2005 at 3:48 AM. Reason : .]

12/28/2005 3:35:34 AM

Actually, they're 19th in TOP.

I was taking into account the fact that they're a rush-first team. They're a rush-first team with a top 10 running game and they're 19th in TOP.

Seriously, all you have to do is watch the games they've played this season. I'm not talking about watching one ATL/CAR game or highlights on ESPN, I'm talking about watching all their games. Their defense was solid early on with Mathis and Kerney, then they lost those two and had some other minor injuries and the whole season went in the tank.

I absolutely knew that Atlanta was going to give up those late scores to Tampa last week. Like I said, it's fucking pathetic.

12/28/2005 4:06:07 AM

I stand corrected. Guess I miscounted or typed the wrong number or whatever.

Either way, how the hell are they that bad in TOP? They're behind Arizona who hasn't had a hundred yard rusher all season.

Fuck, Arizona hasn't even had a 60 yard rusher all season.

12/28/2005 4:52:03 AM

PS: Donald Driver is very good

With Walker he is one of the best 2nd goto guys in the entire league

just check his stats when he is the main guy




not bruce / holt but not bad






You want to talk about recievers, pack just picked up carolinas reject and Lee is getting catchs , a converted running back.

If you can convince me in under 300 words how Lee is better then Crumpler, ill give you 5$.



[Edited on December 28, 2005 at 10:50 AM. Reason : .]

12/28/2005 10:47:15 AM

i definitely think vick sucks as a quarterback, but i don't think you can use his 2-2 playoff record as criticism against him. i still contend that win/loss record is not a quarterback's stat. plus, i think peyton manning is an excellent quarterback and the colts are notorious for losing in the playoffs.

12/28/2005 11:53:32 AM

Peyton Manning is 3-5 in the playoffs. What a crappy QB he is.

12/28/2005 12:11:25 PM

I've watched ATL play, and I've seen Vick play well, but I've also seen Vick play like shit. I've seen him over-throw wide open WR's, I've seen him throw it over their heads, and I've seen him under-throw it, and some of those led to picks.

So I've seen some of his games, and I STILL don't think he's the QB you make him out to be. He's a great athlete, no one will argue that. I just think he relies too heavily on his legs than on his arm and I think teams are developing ways to stop the scrambling QB(taking TB's schemes) and when they get that straightened out, Vick will become a middle of the road QB. With the new and faster defenders(LB's and DE's) and with new schemes and the growing trend of mobile QB's, eventually you'll see his rushing stats going down, and knowing Vick, his injury count going up.

I'll be watching the Carolina game this week, and I'll see if it's the Vick that beat them all those times in a row, or if it's the Vick I watched stink it up this year.

And yes Donald Driver is a solid #2 WR, but with him being double-teamed and sometimes given safety help, he can't do what he would do if Walker was there.

And people complaining about ATL's OL, there's no way they'd be top 10 in rushing and have a pro-bowl RB if they didn't have a solid OL. So that's not an argument, Vick has enough time, and with his legs he should be able to make time for himself if need be. He just likes to drop back, take forever, then scramble.

12/28/2005 12:31:02 PM

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"oh I'm sorry, the falcons under vick are 2-2 in the playoffs. That's .500. That is not call consistant or good. "

Wrong again man. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE know your facts before you come and try to talk shit about Vick.

12/28/2005 1:13:18 PM

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"I guess everyone in this thread knows more than all the sports journalists, broadcasters and analysts that say Vick is a great QB."

Now that's funny. I can't tell you how many times in the past week I've heard sports commentators talk about how Vick doesn't belong in the Pro Bowl, even with the overall quarterback suckery in the NFC.

12/28/2005 3:48:22 PM

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"Wrong again man. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE know your facts before you come and try to talk shit about Vick."

you might want to look at the Falcons playoff record for the years vick has been there.


falcons playoff history since vick was drafted

• Jan. 23, 2005 - NFC Championship - Philadelphia 27, Atlanta 10 (L)

• Jan. 15, 2005 - NFC Divisional - Atlanta 47, St. Louis 17 (W)

• Jan. 11, 2003 - NFC Divisional - Philadelphia 20, Atlanta 6 (L)

• Jan. 4, 2003 - NFC Wild Card - Atlanta 27, Green Bay 7 (W)

[Edited on December 28, 2005 at 4:22 PM. Reason : .]

12/28/2005 4:11:12 PM

come on MacGyver. Please tell me which playoff game other than the four I've listed he's played in?

12/28/2005 6:27:17 PM

^ I think he's actually trying to dispute that 2-2 is .500.

Because that would be almost as logical as saying that Vick is a great QB.

[Edited on December 28, 2005 at 6:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/28/2005 6:58:05 PM

where are you MacGyver? Crying over your daddy's grave?


"I JUST WANNA TROLL DIDDY!"

12/29/2005 12:20:11 PM

Where do they find you guys anyway?


The Panthers cant run for positive yards on ANYBODY


and somehow Deshaun Foster jsut broke 100 yards with 10 minutes left in the 2nd quarter.


Atlanta's defense isnt bad?

Are you kidding? it's MISERABLE

1/1/2006 1:55:20 PM

OH SO VICKS DEFENSE MADE IT SO THE FALCONS SCORE 3 THE WHOLE GAME. GOTCHA.

1/1/2006 3:56:10 PM

Vick played pretty damn well, again today.


What else did you want him to do, moron.


Oh that's right... you didn't watch the game.

Take that garbage elsewhere.

1/1/2006 3:59:22 PM

even the shittiest of teams can score a touchdown. he didn't play that great.

not to mention the panthers pass defense hasn't been that great lately.



[Edited on January 1, 2006 at 4:04 PM. Reason : .]

1/1/2006 4:03:26 PM

whatever, chump.


Vick started the game 11-13.

At that point they were already down 27-3.


Shhhh.... thats my fight song you're hearing.

1/1/2006 4:05:21 PM

OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD

SCHAUB THREW A TD PASS HE MUST BE BETTER THAN VICK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




See how stupid that sounds?

And before 100 of you post that

take into account it was 44-3 and I think i saw white cornerbacks on the field.

1/1/2006 4:10:02 PM

Vick does have some bad passes as do many qbs even peyton but when vick broke 2 attempts at a sack and threw a perfect pass to a receiver only to have it dropped that is not his fault. or when his wr 's keep dropping passes all game not his fault.

1/1/2006 4:14:07 PM

wait, I thought the rallydurham reason why Vick is a good quarterback was because Vick wins games.

1/3/2006 1:46:57 PM

yeah he does win games.


He went 8-7 with one of the worst defenses in the league on his team.


That is "winning games".


You think Drew Brees was going 8-7 on that team? hahaha yeah right.


And if you really want, you could say 8-6 since Schaub is the one that fumbled one of those games away.

1/3/2006 1:51:37 PM

Shiiiiit, Brees went 9-7 with muthafucking LT in his backfield.

What kind of cred is that?

[Edited on January 3, 2006 at 1:53 PM. Reason : although the last loss doesn't really count since he was out early]

1/3/2006 1:53:00 PM

how do you factor in that the only TD the falcons scored on sunday was with schaub in the game? vick got abused...the falcons organization is fucked, they took a great athlete and fucked him into a shit ass pocket qb...west coast offense my ass...theres a reason the falcons have NEVER had back to back winning seasons

1/3/2006 1:53:02 PM

^^Did you watch the last 4-5 games the Chargers had? LT looked like an average RB at best. But I think he was limited because of injuries.

And Warrick Dunn is a pro-bowler, so it isn't like Vick doesn't have a RB in his backfield.

1/3/2006 2:27:10 PM

you know what the falcons and chargers do have in common though? the next games they play are in the fall!

1/3/2006 2:30:25 PM

Funny thing is, the Falcons will end up with the same postseason hardware as the Panthers (none) and will get a higher draft pick.

I seem to remember you being a little less cocky last season when you lost all those bets.

1/3/2006 5:07:23 PM

I don't think teams take pride in having a better draft slot.



Could you see two GMs discussing that the day after week 17 ends?


Panthers GM: We've got a tough road ahead of us in the playoffs, but I believe in these guys--
Falcons GM: ...oh yeah? Well, well well well, um, shit... WE'LL BE DRAFTING >=8 SLOTS AHEAD OF YOUR TEAM! SEE YOU IN APRIL LOSER

1/3/2006 5:48:28 PM

If I'm a fan of a team that I know isn't going to do anything this year, I'd rather have a higher pick to better our chances in upcoming seasons.

1/3/2006 5:54:24 PM

So michael vick CAN'T elevate the level of play of his teammates.

gotcha.

1/3/2006 6:14:46 PM

Michael Vick does more than enough to win games. He can't do anything about dropped passes. No one but the receivers themselves can do anything about that.

Most people realize this.

1/3/2006 6:50:04 PM

Vick sucks [/thread]

1/3/2006 6:56:26 PM

Lets not forget his O-line is terrible and his receivers blow.

1/3/2006 6:57:48 PM