there's wayyy too many fucking playoff spots. teams that win 2,3 games get playoff spots. even worse is when a 3 win team has to drive like 4 hours just to lose 50-0.

11/5/2006 12:49:29 AM

im pretty sure you have to win 4 games to qaulify for the playoffs

11/5/2006 1:42:07 AM

IAA

# 4 Cherryville (3-7)
#13 Swain County (4-6)

someone please tell me thats a typo

11/5/2006 1:46:02 AM

For those of you wondering, the A or AA is dependent on the average size of the sr class. (or at least that's what i was told when I played a few years ago)

We had 600+ seniors, and thus qualified as a large school (AA) for our division (4).

11/5/2006 2:03:38 AM

The way they do the playoffs now is such bullshit. How can you justify bringing 256/391 (including the schools that don't field football teams) teams into the playoffs. They need to require teams to have a winning record.

11/5/2006 11:17:31 AM

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"im pretty sure you have to win 4 games to qaulify for the playoffs"

No, there are plenty of 2-8 teams in the playoffs.

In past years there have been worse records.

[Edited on November 5, 2006 at 11:20 AM. Reason : ?]

11/5/2006 11:18:20 AM

They used to be a lot more strict about playoff teams....but teams that never made the playoffs bitched enough that it was too hard to get into the playoffs (isn't that the point?)

11/5/2006 11:20:04 AM

No, I don't that that was it. The NCHSAA gets a cut of gate proceeds from playoff games. I think they are trying to maximize revenues. Basically, they either need to just go ahead and bring everybody in teh playoffs, or require a winning record.

11/5/2006 11:21:24 AM

64 teams qualify in each of the four classes; there are 92 in 4A, 93 in 3A, 88 in 2A, and 73 (that play 11-man football) in 1A. So, at the 1A level, they play a full season to eliminate just 9 teams before the playoffs; there is a 1-9 team (Perquimans County) in the 1A East.

The expanded playoffs are partially (maybe even primarily) about money. Playoff revenue is one reason why NC student-athletes generally don't have to pay to participate in high school sports; in many states, the fee is $200-$500 per season for the privilige.

The other reason for the expanded playoffs is that, under the old system, teams with one loss were occasionally left out. Qualification was based on conference finish, with many conferences getting only two berths. In a three way tie for first place in a conference (where each team lost one league game), two teams would be randomly drawn to go to the playoffs, and the other's season was over. In back-to-back years (around 2000), one-loss teams from Northern Nash and Chapel Hill didn't get in. That got some folks pushing for playoff reform, and we ended up with this oversized mess, with way too many teams getting rewarded for mediocre (or worse) seasons.

11/5/2006 11:43:52 AM

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"The other reason for the expanded playoffs is that, under the old system, teams with one loss were occasionally left out."

Oh yea, I had forgotten that. With the exception of the 1A division, they is no reason to split each division in the playoffs. They need to go back that interim period where they only split the 1A and they should take 16 teams in each 1A division instead of 32.

The seeding also gets my goat. Can anyone explain why Greene Central in the 2A is seeded 7? Now they get to play Clinton in the first round and East Duplin in the second round if they beat Clinton. That sucks for a team that is 9-1.

11/5/2006 12:08:31 PM

^^ i was originally against the playoff system as it stands but like you said, too many good teams were getting the shaft via the old one

11/5/2006 12:23:38 PM

The current seeding process seeds all conference champions (by overall record), then all second-place teams, then all third-place teams, then everyone else in one pool. A 9-1 team who finished second in their conference will be seeded behind a 5-5 conference champ.

Making matters worse, in a new rule this year, in "split" conferences (i.e. 3A/4A mixed, etc.), the top team from each class gets treated as a conference champ for seeding purposes. In some cases, this makes sense, for example the 3A team that finishes 3rd behind Rose and New Bern deserves the high seed. However, Cherryville is the only 1A team in a 1A/2A conference, so (as long as they win enough games to qualify for the playoffs, which is typically two wins in 1A) they are automatically seeded as a conference champion. That's crazy!

11/5/2006 7:47:13 PM

Final regular-season rankings...

The Fantastic 50 (W-L) Rating (Change)
1) Rose (11-0) 127.9 (+1.2, Unch)
2) Shelby (11-0) 127.1 (+0.8, Unch)
3) Independence (11-0) 124.5 (+1.4, Up 3)
4) A.C. Reynolds (11-0) 123.7 (-0.2, Dn 1)
5) Grimsley (11-0) 123.3 (Unch, Dn 1)
6) Richmond County (11-0) 123.3 (Unch, Dn 1)
7) E. Randolph (10-1) 122.6 (+0.3, Unch)
8) Thomasville (11-0) 121.8 (+0.2, Up 2)
9) W. Alamance (10-1) 121.7 (+0.1, Up 2)
10) Cummings (10-1) 121.4 (-0.3, Dn 1)
11) James Kenan (11-0) 121.3 (+4.2, Up 10)
12) Crest (9-2) 121.0 (+1.1, Up 1)
13) Carver (10-1) 120.6 (-0.3, Dn 1)
14) Dudley (9-2) 119.8 (+0.2, Unch)
15) Hoggard (11-0) 119.7 (+1.1, Up 2)
16) Davie County (10-1) 118.7 (-0.1, Dn 1)
17) Wallace-Rose Hill (10-1) 118.5 (-3.4, Dn 9)
18) Hillside (9-2) 118.4 (+2.3, Up 7)
19) Char. Country Day (9-2) 118.4 (+0.5, Dn 1)
20) Harnett Central (11-0) 118.1 (+1.9, Up 6)
21) Pisgah (10-0) 118.0 (+0.2, Dn 1)
22) Garner (10-1) 118.0 (+0.2, Dn 3)
23) Butler (9-2) 117.7 (-1.0, Dn 7)
24) Vance (8-3) 117.0 (+1.8, Up 7)
25) Brevard (9-2) 116.9 (+1.7, Up 4)
26) Concord (8-3) 116.8 (+2.3, Up 10)
27) Reidsville (10-1) 116.8 (+0.3, Dn 3)
28) N. Mecklenburg (9-2) 116.5 (-0.4, Dn 5)
29) Charlotte Latin (10-1) 116.3 (+0.3, Dn 2)
30) Seventy-First (8-3) 115.9 (+0.8, Up 2)
31) Asheboro (11-0) 115.7 (+0.8, Up 3)
32) E. Bladen (10-0) 115.5 (+0.5, Up 1)
33) SW Edgecombe (10-0) 115.4 (+0.2, Dn 3)
34) Scotland County (8-3) 115.2 (-0.1, Dn 6)
35) Newton-Conover (10-1) 115.0 (+2.7, Up 9)
36) Manteo (11-0) 114.9 (+2.2, Up 6)
37) Hertford County (10-1) 114.8 (+2.3, Up 6)
38) E. Gaston (9-2) 114.7 (+0.3, Dn 1)
39) New Bern (9-2) 114.7 (-2.3, Dn 17)
40) Asheville (7-3) 114.6 (-0.1, Dn 5)
41) Providence (7-4) 114.5 (+0.3, Dn 2)
42) Fuquay-Varina (9-2) 114.5 (+2.3, Up 3)
43) W. Rowan (10-1) 114.4 (+0.1, Dn 5)
44) Elkin (8-3) 114.1 (+1.4, Dn 3)
45) Rocky Mount (8-3) 113.7 (+0.1, Dn 5)
46) Char. Catholic (9-2) 112.5 (+0.5, Unch)
47) Franklin (10-1) 112.2 (+0.4, Up 1)
48) Broughton (8-3) 111.9 (Unch, Dn 1)
49) East Wake (8-2) 111.8 (+0.2, Up 1)
50) WF-Rolesville (7-4) 111.3 (+2.5, New)
Dropped out:
#49 Bertie (Lost to Hertford County by 19)

New this week on my web page ... odds on the state playoffs, & lots of other playoff info.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~rdpasteu/football

11/6/2006 10:49:31 PM

ok although i went to Providence High School in Charlotte, i dont know of any other school in N.C. that has 100 straight wins. I'm talkin about Independence. i know some of you have heard of them, 4A state champs for way too long now.

11/7/2006 1:02:57 AM

You have East Lincoln as the darkhorse in the 2AA, which I like. I really do think they will surprise Shelby. However, 210:1 odds (though the team we play 1st has 100000:1)? Also, is the 2AA East really that weak? I almost wish they found a way to put us over there looking at those teams.

11/7/2006 10:52:34 AM

Shelby & Pisgah are far above everyone else on either side of that bracket. The eastern 2AA is more balanced, with five teams that have a decent shot at making it to the final. East Lincoln and Bandys are comparable to them, but have a tougher road, hence the longer odds.

11/7/2006 11:54:17 AM

whats the latest on Athens?

11/7/2006 11:58:08 AM

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"whats the latest on Athens?"

Athens(8-2) is the #6 seed in East 4AA

1st round vs #11 Riverside(7-3)

11/7/2006 12:41:09 PM

^ #6 seed in the 4AA east. A favorable draw, with likely opponents (11) Riverside (7-4), (3) Durham Jordan (8-3), then a Cap-7 team. If their spread offense confuses Jordan sufficiently, they'll probably make the eastern final. However, defense has largely been absent for the Jaguars.

11/7/2006 12:42:21 PM

Fuckin A, if Southeast wins, they will play NEW BERN AGAIN!!!!! in the 2nd round. God damn, can we get somebody else!

11/7/2006 12:42:23 PM

anyone else notice.....there's no #1 seed in the 4AA East. Is this a typo? I think Garner is supposed to be #1

11/7/2006 12:54:11 PM

^^ SER had better worry about their first-round game; I have them a 5-point underdog at home. If they do advance, New Bern isn't quite as good this year as in previous years.

^ Garner is the #1 seed in the 4AA east...where are you looking, that you don't see them?

11/7/2006 2:31:59 PM

The bracket shows Garner as a #14 seed, but they are playing Middle Creek#16, so I'm assuming its just a typo

71st is a good team, not looking ahead at all. We usually play pretty well at home. I would love to knock off New Bern as they have knocked us out several times in the last 5 years.

11/7/2006 2:41:48 PM

The original set of brackets (in a different format) didn't have that mistake...it must have been a typo when they reformatted them.

11/7/2006 2:47:01 PM

Yeah, I looked at them this morning

11/7/2006 2:47:41 PM

Enloe

11/7/2006 2:50:33 PM

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"Enloe"

did they even win a game this year?

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 2:52 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2006 2:52:18 PM

Although they got blown out in several games, Enloe was a little better this year. They beat two mid-level playoff teams (Durham Riverside and Wilmington Laney), lost 3-0 to Wakefield, and won big against Sanderson. Had they beaten Millbrook last Friday, they would likely be the opening-round playoff victim for Garner this week.

11/7/2006 3:11:10 PM

When I was a freshman at Athens my gym teacher was the football coach. B-something. Boy, was he awful. By the time I graduated from Athens we weren't even winning the deliberately planned homecoming game. In fact, we might have been the team other teams deliberately planned to play for homecoming. I guess taking all the yuppie kids away and shipping them off to Middle Creek helped Athens get better.

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 3:20 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2006 3:17:15 PM

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"In fact, we might have been the team other teams deliberately planned to play for homecoming."

Yes

11/7/2006 3:18:16 PM

^^ my senior year we made it to the playoffs with Coach Byus(last year we made it until now)

SE raleigh opened and most of the ballers left leaving athens to be a complete soccer and baseball school

you have to be atlaking about byus, he was the cvoach there until I believe 98 or so, I dunno if coach bell coached JV football anymore after he took the baseball job when mozingo left

11/7/2006 6:10:23 PM

Cary plays at New Bern


Do they let every HS team in the state into the playoffs now or what?

11/7/2006 6:22:04 PM

^ 64 out of 92 teams in 4A go to the playoffs.

^^ Don't forget that before Mike Byus became the coach at Athens in the 1990s, they had NEVER been to the playoffs, and the school opened in the late 1970s.

11/7/2006 6:48:31 PM

When i played in the late nineties, you had to win 4 games in your conference or in the top 4. I remember our rival Northern Nash lost just 1 game in '02 and didn't even make it to the playoffs because only the top 2 schools from their conference could go. There was a 3 way tie which was broken by drawing straws.

That same year, some schools with 4-7 records went to the playoffs...

11/7/2006 6:58:56 PM

we always were over .500

our JV team coached by Joey Bell did really well

11/7/2006 7:22:15 PM

The playoffs are starting a day early locally. In the 4A East bracket, 13th-seed Knightdale (5-6) plays at #4 seed Fuquay-Varina (9-2), on Thursday night. Congrats to the Knights on making the playoffs for the first time (the school has only been open 2-3 years). Their stay is likely to be short, as the Bengals have beaten their last two opponents by a combined score of 69-7, and both were as good or better than Knightdale.

There are also a half-dozen other games around the state being played Thursday night, either because of multiple schools sharing a stadium or because of school being out on Friday.

[Edited on November 7, 2006 at 7:53 PM. Reason : .]

11/7/2006 7:27:41 PM

In the playoffs, every game is big to two teams, but some generate more interest than others...

This week's big games in Wake County:
Lee County (6-5) at #49 East Wake (8-2) -- Winner gets #1 Rose (4A East)
#48 Broughton (8-3) at #50 Wake Forest-Rolesvile (7-4) -- Broughton won first game (4AA East)
#30 Fay. Seventy-First (8-3) at Southeast Raleigh (8-3) -- 4AA East
Wakefield (7-4) at Leesville Road (9-2) -- Leesville won earlier in the season (4AA East)

Around the state...
Char. Providence Day (7-4) at #29 Char. Latin (10-1) -- NCISAA 11-man semifinals
West Davidson (8-3) at #35 Newton-Conover (10-1) -- 2A West
South Columbus (8-3) at Jacksonville Northside (8-3) -- 2A East
Clinton (6-5) at Greene Central (9-2) -- Defending 2A state champs start with a tough road game
East Davidson (6-5) at McMichael (4-7) -- Phoenix host first-ever playoff game (2AA East)
#45 Rocky Mount (8-3) at Gray's Creek (9-2) -- 3A East
NE Guilford (7-4) at #14 G'boro Dudley (9-2) -- 3AA East
#34 Scotland Co. (8-3) at #23 Char. Butler (9-2) -- Game of the week (4AA West)
#24 Char. Vance (8-3) at West Forsyth (8-3) -- 4AA West
South View (9-2) at Fay. Jack Britt (7-4) -- 4AA East

Blowout watch:
W. Columbus (2-9) at #44 Elkin (8-3, all 3 L's by forfeit) -- A 7-hour bus ride to get destroyed...a case in point why there are too many teams in the playoffs (1A West)
South Stokes (2-9) at #8 Thomasville (11-0) -- Shorter ride, even worse result (1AA West)
Trask (2-8) at #11 James Kenan (11-0) -- More of the same (1AA East)
Char. Berry Academy (3-8) at #4 Asheville A.C. Reynolds (11-0) -- 4A West
Fay. E.E. Smith (4-7) at #1 Greenville Rose (11-0) -- Rose beat a good New Bern team by 40 last week

11/7/2006 8:11:11 PM

Byus, that was his name. Not the keenest health/gym teacher, but I guess he was a decent FB coach compared to what followed. Apparently he left in 2000, when the program entered the gutter. He coaches now in Lincoln, NC.

[Edited on November 8, 2006 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/8/2006 2:43:08 PM

^^Where are those rankings from?

11/9/2006 11:55:05 AM

^^Yeah, when I played for East Lincoln, we had Coach Lloyd, who is now at East Gaston for my freshman year. Then, we had Jim Ruark (Coach Ru) for the rest of my time there. He now coaches for Myers Park, and had that victory over Richmond Co. last year. After he left, and most of us graduated, they hired some shit coach from East Gaston, who abandoned our team concept (offense and defense), and implemented his own strategy. In 2 years, he went 5-17. The 4 years prior to him being there, we went to the playoffs each year. Then Coach Byus came in last season. He started 0-4, though it was against state title contenders. Since then, he has gone 16-4 (one of the 4 being to Newton Conover, and East alum Nicky Bazzle). He is a great coach, and hopefully will stick around for a while.

11/9/2006 12:29:06 PM

what is joey bell up to? is he still coaching baseball at athens?


I would add Cary @ New Bern to the blowout watch.

2-9 teams should NEVER be allowed in the playoffs.

[Edited on November 9, 2006 at 12:37 PM. Reason : 2]

11/9/2006 12:36:54 PM

4A East: (4)Fuquay-Varina 41, (13) Knightdale 14

11/9/2006 10:40:40 PM

^any other games last night?

nm, the brackets are updated

[Edited on November 10, 2006 at 9:33 AM. Reason : .]

11/10/2006 9:25:33 AM

^^^ yeah, I think Joey Bell is the head baseball coach there still, he took over after stan mozingo left


haha Bell used to crack me up, he'd come get us out of class to help paint the baseball field and the football field

and he'd get mad and be like, "JON BROWN IT, GET ON THE FREAKIN LINE AND RUN IT AGAAAAAAAAAIN"

11/10/2006 9:34:28 AM

high school, get over it, or your end up like a Polk High Champion who scored 5 touchdowns in one game.

11/10/2006 10:26:45 AM

Two big upsets tonight...
In the 2A East, (16) North Brunswick over (1) Whiteville, 24-20
In the 4AA East, 13th-seed Cary wins big at 4th-seed New Bern

4AA East
(1) Garner 20, (16) Middle Creek 7
(8) Jack Britt 14, (9) South View 7
(13) Cary 49, (4) New Bern 12
(12) Seventy-First 35, (5) Southeast Raleigh 14
(2) Leesville Road 31, (15) Wakefield 14
(7) WF-Rolesville 23, (10) Broughton 7
(3) Jordan 35, (14) Apex 20
(11) Riverside over (6) Athens Drive 21

[Edited on November 10, 2006 at 11:31 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2006 11:25:20 PM

hah. the wolfpack got pwnt by the scorps. And North Brunswick sucks balls(I graduated from that shithole).

11/10/2006 11:28:02 PM

Webb 0 F
Eastern Randolph 35

11/10/2006 11:32:57 PM

Hertford County 42

Southern Wayne 0

GO BEARS...I still think its crappy that we might have to play a really good Rocky Mount team next week.

11/10/2006 11:38:07 PM

might will have to play Rocky Mount...the last I heard, they were up 65-14 at Gray's Creek. However, they've been so up-and-down I think Hertford should beat them.

11/10/2006 11:42:08 PM