everyone else had their chance to go undefeated as well but lost a game too... you dumbass, you cant use that... "let someone else try" bullshit, we had to play the number one team in the shoe and showed we are the only team to hang with ohio state... and now we have as many losses as these other teams, so it isnt ruled out

11/19/2006 11:24:03 AM

i don't think i said it was ruled out.. i gave my opinion... isn't that what we do on here?

[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 11:26 AM. Reason : and everyone else didn't already lose to teh team they would play]

11/19/2006 11:25:38 AM

Ahahahahahahahah Michigan







R.I.P. BO

11/19/2006 12:18:10 PM

Quote :

"everyone else had their chance to go undefeated as well but lost a game too... you dumbass, you cant use that... "let someone else try" bullshit, we had to play the number one team in the shoe and showed we are the only team to hang with ohio state... and now we have as many losses as these other teams, so it isnt ruled out "

only thing in that mess to make any sense is "we had to play the number one team in the shoe"

11/19/2006 2:59:11 PM

Quote :

"Otherwise this 'armageddon game' was the most meaningless game of the season."

Why do people keep saying this?

It's time to decide who goes. OSU is the first.

The second pick will come from a pool of one-loss teams. Among them, analyze the quality of their loss. Michigan is the only one who can claim their one loss came from #1.

However, that should get further weight via the fact that it was merely a three point game AT Ohio State. It is 100% guaranteed that OSU lost if that game was played at the Big House.

If this game were a blow-out, MI is clearly not #2. But the way it happened on Saturday proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that they indeed deserve the number 2 ranking.

In other words, this game was EXTREMELY meaningful. I have no clue where people come off thinking that is wasn't.

Incidentally, if USC looses, the rematch should be on. And if MI wins, that win will NOT be meaningless.

11/19/2006 9:53:17 PM

Quote :

"It is 100% guaranteed that OSU lost if that game was played at the Big House."

no no no no no...

but i agree with everything else... they are all fucking idiots who say "this game was meaningless if there is a rematch"

11/19/2006 9:54:49 PM

well Michigan is still number 2 in the BCS...

1. Ohio State 1 2800 1.0000 1 1575 1.0000 1 1.000 1.0000 1
2. Michigan 3 2600 0.9123 3 1428 0.9067 2 0.960 0.9263 2
3. Southern Cal 2 2621 0.9196 2 1444 0.9168 3 0.920 0.9188 3
4. Florida 4 2531 0.8881 4 1407 0.8933 4 0.870 0.8838 4
5. Notre Dame 5 2347 0.8235 6 1285 0.8159 5 0.820 0.8198 5
6. Arkansas 6 2345 0.8228 5 1302 0.8267 7 0.770 0.8065 7
7. West Virginia 7 2051 0.7196 7 1151 0.7308 9 0.700 0.7168 8
8. Wisconsin 9 1888 0.6625 9 1053 0.6686 8 0.710 0.6803 9
9. Louisville 10 1857 0.6516 11 944 0.5994 6 0.780 0.6770 0
10. LSU 8 1889 0.6628 8 1081 0.6863 11 0.580 0.6431 11
11. Boise State 12 1609 0.5646 12 862 0.5473 12 0.580 0.5640 12
12. Auburn 13 1449 0.5084 13 825 0.5238 13 0.570 0.5341 14
13. Texas 11 1731 0.6074 10 994 0.6311 15 0.360 0.5328 13
14. Rutgers 15 1270 0.4456 16 641 0.4070 10 0.590 0.4809 6
15. Oklahoma 14 1404 0.4926 14 795 0.5048 20 0.270 0.4225 17
16. Georgia Tech 16 1157 0.4060 15 655 0.4159 16 0.350 0.3906 18
17. Virginia Tech 17 1049 0.3681 17 561 0.3562 17 0.350 0.3581 21
18. Boston College 18 927 0.3253 18 540 0.3429 19 0.310 0.3260 20
19. California 23 512 0.1796 22 265 0.1683 14 0.470 0.2726 15
20. Tennessee 19 675 0.2368 21 326 0.2070 18 0.330 0.2579 22
21. Wake Forest 20 605 0.2123 20 343 0.2178 22 0.160 0.1967 16
22. Nebraska 22 520 0.1825 19 353 0.2241 NR 0.030 0.1455 23
23. Brigham Young 21 565 0.1982 23 256 0.1625 NR 0.020 0.1269 25
24. Clemson 24 215 0.0754 24 174 0.1105 23 0.090 0.0920 NR
25. Penn St. 30 10 0.0035 t31 2 0.0013 21 0.190 0.0649 NR




[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 9:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/19/2006 9:56:46 PM

^^^ once again you are misunderstanding what I meant by that. Simply that the ultimate result was meaningless... so Ohio St. won, but it means NOTHING if they make it to the bowl game.

Frankly, Ohio St. won that game easier than the score. If not for 2 horrible snaps and a VERY iffy P.I. call this isn't a close game and we aren't having this conversation..

Whatver though, I have no vested interest. None of my teams have a chance (ND realistically doesn't) and I don't like any of the teams that do.

Quote :

"And if MI wins, that win will NOT be meaningless. "

Actually, yes, the result would. I'm pretty sure that Ohio State would win again regardless though. That center will be healed in the FIFTY FUCKING ONE DAYS BEFORE EITHER TEAM PLAYS AGAIN, which is ridiculous.

[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 9:58 PM. Reason : x]

11/19/2006 9:57:21 PM

if not for a bullshit personal foul michigan gets the ball back down only 4...... shut the fuck up its how football goes ok... if their snapper sucks thats their fault for running out of the shotgun... michigan NEVER goes out of the shotgun to prevent stuff like that... its called playing smart... its part of the game... we had bullshit too, if not for a 3 yard overthrow manningham is in the endzone and michigan up 14-7 with momentum back. its just how it goes man, get it through your head

11/19/2006 9:59:33 PM

^^ if you want to talk about that stuff

manningham will also be healthier, as will our starting FS that was knocked out in the first quarter.

I would also like to see them on a field where everyone wasnt slipping on every play because of a dumbfuck at OSU who decided it was a good idea to lay sod down 2.5 weeks b4 the damn game

[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 10:00 PM. Reason : .]

11/19/2006 10:00:45 PM

^, ^^ hey, you guys are Michigan fans, so I expect you to want a rematch and argue that it should happen.. I'm relatively unbiased (though I don't have ANY respect for the dirty OSU program.. i mean for fucks sake troy smith probably shouldnt even still be enrolled) and just giving my opinion..

11/19/2006 10:03:41 PM

I know,

this was my issue with the game:

Quote :

"I would also like to see them on a field where everyone wasnt slipping on every play because of a dumbfuck at OSU who decided it was a good idea to lay sod down 2.5 weeks b4 the damn game "

The field conditions adversely affected UM's style of play.

[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 10:26 PM. Reason : not to say they fucked up the sodding on purpose, but damn, the biggest game there in 100 years]

11/19/2006 10:26:20 PM

^hey, if it was on purpose, thats taking home field advantage, its a smart move... notre dame grew out the grass LONG, to slow down reggie bush last year

11/19/2006 10:28:10 PM

^ Yeah, I mean it was "legal" but still lame. Win without help.

11/19/2006 10:29:01 PM

^
That's retarded

11/19/2006 10:30:42 PM

The White Sox used to be notorious for pulling this shit at Comiskey. Angling the base paths so bunted balls always went foul.. wetting the basepaths when the Sox bunted a lot.

It's crafty, but just a little above pathetic. If you are good enough to win without that shit, don't do it. OSU should be good enough.

11/19/2006 10:33:28 PM

hey, lets just pray for a rematch, 37% of the country on espn.com says that michigan should play OSU in the title game. 10% more than USC let it be

11/19/2006 10:42:32 PM

MI fan though I am, I gotta say bringing up stuff like the grass not being primed properly seems like petty discussion after that game. They played on the same grass. They couldn't have run any better than we could have.

11/19/2006 11:34:44 PM

lets say it was pouring (not including the grass etc), who would that favor?

UM of course, since the passing game is vital to OSU's success and we run the ball 2/3 of our plays

now for OSU, the field took the ability of our corners away because no one could fucking keep their footing. On a slick and soft field, the players making the cuts at full speed (corners defending the WRS) are at a disadvantage. This worked against the OSU corners as well, but Leon Hall is a much bigger (and better for that matter) part of our D than their corners are to them.

if that all makes sense

11/20/2006 12:50:19 AM

once again

Quote :

"wow, what a buch of fucking pansies.... "hey, we lost, lets just keep playing over and over until we win too!" a rematch is retarded. Michigan had their chance, played a great game, but lost to Ohio State, give someone else a chance. It happens all the time... for instance, in a league that has 2 divisions and a championship game the best two teams might be in the same division, but they dont get a "rematch" in the championship game, they had their chance in the regular season and didnt get it done. For example, in the SEC, there were several years where Florida/Tennessee/Georgia in the East were much better than anyone in the West but they didnt get any of this communist "aww, everyone has to feel good, no one can be a loser, cant hurt anyones feelings" bullshit "

and like NyM410, I am pretty unbiased as well, just dont support this revisionist pussy ass bullshit. They had their chance, and lost. And you cant claim "they were the only one to lose to a the number 1 team", not everyone has had a chance to play the number one team, thats the whole point of NOT letting Michigan have another chance before someone else has a first chance.

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 12:56 AM. Reason : d]

11/20/2006 12:53:19 AM

any of the overrated, shit SEC teams out there would get killed by OSU or UM

who out of conference has Arkansas, UF, and LSU beaten?

anyone???? anyone???? no


for years the SEC has lived off of the inflated rankings of the conference teams artificially boosting their SOS's.

With the exception of Tennessee and Florida (who have a shitty FSU and Miami this year), no one schedules anyone worth a shit on a yearly basis

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 1:01 AM. Reason : .]

11/20/2006 12:57:22 AM

probably, but let it happen on the field, Michigan had a chance and couldnt do it, give someone else a shot. And it probably wont even be one anyways unless USC fucks up

11/20/2006 12:58:40 AM

^^

11/20/2006 1:01:16 AM

but that argument never makes since... the SEC is so hard you dont HAVE to schedule anyone hard out of conference... look at Florida's schedule this year, its retarded.

11/20/2006 1:02:29 AM

I mean Im not trying to be anti-SEC

but like this year, Florida is weak as shit. Put them in the Big 10 they maybe finish 4th. Their QB is garbage.


If they dont ever play anyone worth a shit outside of the SEC how are they judged and pre-ranked?

Hype, and thats it.




[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 1:05 AM. Reason : .]

11/20/2006 1:03:27 AM

no way... not even close to 4th. They have a good defense, and I hate Leak/Tebow but they have been pretty good this year. I would have them MAYBE a slight slight bit below Michigan but they would be favored if the game was at Florida


^ come on, you know better than that... people that know football know quality, you can tell by watching the games. In fact, a random game against some other conference is a horrible way to judge things cause anything can happen in a single game... for example, Tennessee beat the living shit out of Cal... but if that game was played now, Cal would probably win at least 7 out of 10... but that obviously doesnt mean the Pac-10 is a better conference than the SEC

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 1:08 AM. Reason : d]

11/20/2006 1:05:43 AM

UM would murder them

Chris Leak looks horrible. They've lost their best 2 defensive players to off the field shit and the only convincing win they have is vs LSU @home

I wouldnt be surprised if they take an L @ FSU. Matter of fact, i'll prolly bet the spread

11/20/2006 1:09:17 AM

^^ but thats what im saying. Ive watched every UM game and I watched the UF v Tennessee game, UF v Auburn game and the UF v SC game.

You cant tell me UF wouldnt get killed by UM or OSU


I just really think that the SEC is down this year, but the teams are still getting like 2003-2004 SEC respect.

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 1:14 AM. Reason : .]

11/20/2006 1:11:25 AM

I dont see that at all, I just think that there are about 5-6 really good SEC teams this year that are all beating each other in really close games. Sure there hasnt been one dominant SEC team, but I think thats because so many teams are really good this year. I think at one point the SEC had more than half of the top 10 teams (Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, Arkansas). Sure Georgia has been disappointing, but Arkansas has been a big suprise so they average out.

11/20/2006 9:58:34 AM

Woody Hayes just made 3 great points


1. Anyone in the National Championship game should have at least won their own conference.

2. I'm sure Louisville would love "another chance" at Rutgers, Florida another chance at Auburn, Notre Dame another chance at Michigan

3. NC State had DT, UCLA had Walton, they met in the semi final, not in the championship, no one argued for a "rematch"

11/20/2006 10:22:06 AM

Quote :

"Michigan had a chance and couldnt do it"

...on non-neutral turf.

11/20/2006 12:08:39 PM

Louisville wasnt on a neutral field... Florida wasnt...

11/20/2006 12:32:37 PM

Quote :

"I DONT GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE WHOLE STATE OF MICHIGAN, CAUSE WE'RE FROM OHIOOOOOOOO "

11/20/2006 12:35:29 PM

The only ones really arguing for a rematch are Michigan fans. I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. I bet WVU (a team that is actually better than the UL one you mentioned) wants a rematch too on a neutral field.

Michigan lost late. That hurts you (unless you're FSU in '93). I think it's hilarious that people actually think Michigan CLEARLY had a harder schedule than USC or Florida. What's more laughable is that someone said Florida would finish 4th in the Big 10. Behind who? Wisconsin? They had one of the worst schedules of a BCS team. The only hint of a hard game they played, they got blown the hell out.

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 12:37 PM. Reason : well wiscy didn't get blown out but it wasn't as close as the 2 TD scoreline.]

11/20/2006 12:35:56 PM

^ preach on brudda

11/20/2006 12:37:31 PM

Quote :

"Anyone in the National Championship game should have at least won their own conference."

I dont like this argument because the BCS championship should be the two best teams in the nation so why cant the two best teams be from the same conference, and its not fair to conferences that have a conference championship because they can only have one champion whereas other conferences can have co-champions

11/20/2006 12:37:49 PM

Quote :

"hy cant the two best teams be from the same conference"

exactly

michigan is the second best team in the country

11/20/2006 12:39:06 PM

Maybe they are. But who is to say that Florida or USC isn't? One thing we do know is Michigan didn't beat the #1 team in the country when they had the chance. Maybe Florida or USC do..

Quote :

"1. Why, exactly, is everyone so sure Michigan is the number two team in the nation? I think it is, but that defense was beyond awful and while this certainly didn’t look like the second best team in the country. If you’re going to dog USC for an “average” performance, even though it shut down the high-powered Cal offense in the second half and only gave up one touchdown while winning the biggest game of the Pac 10 season by 14 points, then you have to blast the Michigan defense for getting pantsed in the latest Game of the Century. Are you willing to bet the house, farm and kids that the Wolverine defense could stop USC and its fantastic receiving corps? How about Steve Slaton, Pat White and West Virginia? Are you 100% sold that Michigan would beat Florida, Arkansas, Louisville, LSU or Boise State? Maybe you are (I am too), and maybe Mike Hart is right and the Wolverines would win a rematch … too bad. We know what happened when Michigan got its shot against the number one team in the nation; it lost. Now it’s time for someone else to"

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 12:44 PM. Reason : via cfnews.com]

11/20/2006 12:40:06 PM

^^^ and ^^ I would agree ONLY if is was REALLY obvious that they were the two best teams... you are all acting like Michigan has one loss and everyone else is 6-6. Michigan and Florida, and USC, etc are all really really close... and it would be nice to play them all out on the field (playoffs) but we cant do that. Best we can do is let a different team have a shot rather than the one that just LOST

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 12:41 PM. Reason : d]

11/20/2006 12:40:56 PM

what most of you are not understanding is, it doesnt matter who you put on the field against the Buckeyes, they'll still finish #2 in the rankings

11/20/2006 12:41:39 PM

i haven't watched much usc, but to me it is clear that um is a better team than uf

but who knows

this whole this is fucking stupid

plus one system, please

--

so for um to stay at #2, they would need

usc to lose to either nd or ucla

and

uf or arkansas to lose next week, then win the sec title

right?

[Edited on November 20, 2006 at 12:45 PM. Reason : ]

11/20/2006 12:42:24 PM

Quote :

"Louisville wasnt on a neutral field... Florida wasnt..."

against??? rutgers and auburn??? oh ok yea (sarcasm)

11/20/2006 12:45:26 PM

Auburn isnt good? riiiight


I think Arkansas is too far back.

If USC wins out, they got it

If USC loses, and Florida wins out, they got it

If USC loses, and Florida loses, Michigan again

11/20/2006 12:47:18 PM

Quote :

"If USC wins out, they got it"

bingo, theyd deserve it 100%, and if not, michigan... the pollsters just don't like the SEC, maybe you do but uh... sorry that won't matter

so let's go notre dame this weekend

11/20/2006 12:51:06 PM

actually, Arkansas having such a good suprise year is what is really helping USC a lot, and will help Florida a lot if they beat them...


Things will get really interesting if Arkansas loses to LSU, and then Florida beats Arkansas... but I think if Arkansas beats LSU, Florida wins out, and USC loses, its Florida

11/20/2006 1:12:21 PM

This one wouldn't have been close if OSU didnt turn the ball over twice on bad snaps. Michigan would lose to this team 9 of 10 times because they cant stop Troy Smith. (see last two years games as reference). And LLLLLoyd is 1-5 against Tressel.

11/20/2006 1:35:25 PM