^ Hmm... I thought that might have been a post on the Statefans freeboard or something... i was going to completely dismiss it. Figured it was a Tarhole screwing with everyone.



Not that SFN is much more reliable than Statefans or Insidecarolina, but I guess anything that looks like good news works for me. +

11/29/2006 1:39:48 PM

Can someone tell me why hire Nineas if Cowher and PJ are choice 1a. and 1b.? Is he merely a 35K hedge if PJ does not take the job?

11/29/2006 1:52:37 PM

It's also to avoid the debaucle that occured when Fowler took on the task of finding our basketball coach. Using this firm means there won't be any media leaks or any bs like that. Basically, we won't find out who is being offered the job, who has turned it down, etc until we announce our replacement coach. Even if Cowher has been offered the job and has refused, we still won't hear about it until we name our coach.

11/29/2006 1:56:26 PM

^bingo. beat me to it


1) It would look stupid for us if both turned us down. Imagine we hire Neinas 3 weeks from now becuase PJ and BC said no.... how would that look? PANIC MODE. I doubt Neinas is even talking to Cowher.... I bet it's our guys, but why not hire him now so we don't look (possibly) stupid down the road?

2) He not only helps select candidates, he helps negotiate contracts and such... so whoever we decide to hire, he will help with the contract.


I think after the bball coaching search, we just didn't trust Fowler. We hire Neinas now to make sure we look under every rock.... and also just in case 1a and 1b turn us down.... we don't face the embarrasment of waiting 3-4 weeks to hire him and tipping off the media that things aren't going as planned

That would remind us of the basketball fiasco





[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 1:58 PM. Reason : ^]

11/29/2006 1:56:48 PM

What are the chances the another candidate (one that has yet to be mentioned) emerges as the hire?

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 2:12 PM. Reason : g]

11/29/2006 2:11:58 PM

just to throw this out there

you guys need to be cautious as to what you read and believe. StateFansNation, PackPride, 850thebuzzblog are all notorious for throwing ideas out there and hoping one of them actually happens, then they can claim they had inside info.

It is all just speculation and none of them have any credible info at this point.

11/29/2006 2:14:12 PM

Quote :

"you guys need to be cautious as to what you read and believe. StateFansNation, PackPride, 850thebuzzblog are all notorious for throwing ideas out there and hoping one of them actually happens, then they can claim they had inside info. "

11/29/2006 2:15:36 PM

I want to hear more talk about Norm Chow for Head Coach... I personally would rather have him than Navy's coach.

At least then we would be able to coach our qb's properly (such as Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer,Matt Leinart).

I know ASU wants him as well but I really think he would be a great choice for our head coach.

11/29/2006 2:27:22 PM

most people see Norm as an offensive mind, he tried the HC thing at BYU although most people dont know that either.

these things arise with talks of Chow as HC:
1.) Little HC experience
2.) not the personality of a HC
3.) getting up there in age to start a stint as a HC
4.) defense??
5.) ability to recruit??

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 2:42 PM. Reason : ??]

11/29/2006 2:39:49 PM

PJ>>CHOW for HC

Coordinators are the real questions.

11/29/2006 2:46:22 PM

Guys, PAUL JOHNSON is who we want; I PROMISE

He has gone on the record as saying he wouldn't run a full option attack if he had Tom Brady at QB; he has said that he does like some of the principles however and prob. would use some of them at whereever he was

Look at what it does for Wake Forest; they run a version and it is hard to stop
WVU and Florida run a version and it is hard to stop (Florida's will improve greatly when Tebow is their full time QB)

Johnson's hand is forced b/c he is at Navy and that is the only chance he has to win
Can you imagine a version of his offense here though with brown, baker, blackman coming around the edge and then our corps of receivers to throw the ball down the field too. I envision some great things.

Another HUGE plus, he would bring instant DISCIPLINE. He does not tolerate mistakes. I was watching a portion of the ND Navy game on TV this past year and at Navy they teach the cut blocking scheme. A lot of people think it is dirty in some respects, but if done legally is fair and doesn't result in injuries. Anyway, one of his players got called for clipping (a common penalty w/ that blocking scheme and one you would expect to happen occasionally) and then they showed Johnson on the sideline and he absolutely LAID INTO that player. It was incredible.

I would love to have Paul Johnson here; he is a proven winner at every place he has been and would adapt his offense to fit personnel.

11/29/2006 2:56:23 PM

Quote :

"I want to hear more talk about Norm Chow for Head Coach... I personally would rather have him than Navy's coach. At least then we would be able to coach our qb's properly (such as Jim McMahon, Steve Young, Ty Detmer, Phillip Rivers, Carson Palmer,Matt Leinart). I know ASU wants him as well but I really think he would be a great choice for our head coach."

Navy's coach has proven to be a winner everywhere he's been. He wins fast and he wins big. He had a few 10 win seasons at a freakin military academy.....

So let's suppose Chow comes here. Let's say it takes him.... 4-5 years and he turns us into an ACC Championship calibre program. I think he's 61 now, so he will be 66 years old right about the time he gets the program 'going'.

This is assuming there is no 'waiting period' for him to learn the ropes at becoming an effective head coach/making inroads to local high schools/development of his QB's

It's high reward, but he's not a long-term solution for this program. I would have loved to had Bobby Knight too, but at some point his legacy isn't worth the time he has left. Chow is probably 6-10 years from retiring

I respect what Chow has done as a coordinator and for NC State, but IMO, if there's a proven winner and a clear 'bigtime' coach out there to get that's about 10-15 years younger.... go for it



[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 2:59 PM. Reason : ]

11/29/2006 2:57:02 PM

regarding ASU i thought this was funny

11/29/2006 3:03:37 PM

It seems obvious that we have no confidence in Lee Fowler. If he isnt getting us a new coach then what the F**k else does he do to deserve his job?

11/29/2006 3:21:48 PM

He's shakes a lot of peoples' hands and makes a lot of statments. He's the best bullshitter which isn't necessarily a bad thing in the public eye.

11/29/2006 3:31:48 PM

lets see

softball coach, baseball coach, tennis facilities, baseball upgrade, basketball practice facilities, lifetime rights, theres a few more things but thats just off the top of my head of a few of the things Lee has done here lately.

most people just see basketball and football and fail to realize we have a lot of other revenue sports at State.

11/29/2006 3:44:36 PM

Quote :

"most people just see basketball and football and fail to realize we have a lot of other revenue sports at State."

sorry dood but its on record that football supports itself, and basketball supports the rest of the non-revenue sports (read: everything that is not football or basketball)

11/29/2006 4:08:20 PM

im not saying they support the others

i am just saying that they are REVENUE sports like they actually have scholarships to give, people that follow them and what not...im not tryin to say they are our prime marketing tools.

I forgot to throw in the new soccer place by the way.

11/29/2006 4:10:23 PM

Quote :

"just to throw this out there you guys need to be cautious as to what you read and believe. StateFansNation, PackPride, 850thebuzzblog and TWW are all notorious for throwing ideas out there and hoping one of them actually happens, then they can claim they had inside info. It is all just speculation and none of them have any credible info at this point."

sorry, had to fix that.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 4:11 PM. Reason : p]

11/29/2006 4:10:59 PM

Quote :

"m not saying they support the others i am just saying that they are REVENUE sports like they actually have scholarships to give, people that follow them and what not...im not tryin to say they are our prime marketing tools. I forgot to throw in the new soccer place by the way."

by calling them Revenue sports is mislabeling them. They are classified as non-revenue sports, b/c they don't generate revenue.

I know what you are saying its just not technically correct

11/29/2006 5:09:30 PM

1) JIMBO
1a) PJ

11/29/2006 5:10:32 PM

Hire Jimbo

11/29/2006 5:11:42 PM

i know we arent likely to hear anything from anyone because of the firm we hired but its an article on the search so i figured id post.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2680175

11/29/2006 5:17:19 PM

around the horn 3 minutes

11/29/2006 5:18:36 PM

Im going on record as saying I dont want Norm Chow.

11/29/2006 5:19:26 PM

if its a package deal like they supposedly threw out there to UNC before Davis im really interested in the OC and DC from LSU. That would be a solid hire since we have no offense and we lost a great defensive mind in Chuck.

11/29/2006 5:20:58 PM

Quote :

"most people just see basketball and football and fail to realize we have a lot of other revenue sports at State."

Put it this way, there are two types of sports in college:

1.) Amateur sports
2.) Sports that are classified as amateur for an old ideal that no longer exists, thinking that said sport is not a business that creates revenue and markets the university, but is instead still a part of "the academic pursuit that student-athletes partake in".

99% of people do not care about #1. The Board of Trustees among them.

The only time people care about #1 is when something scandalous happens to those programs and makes it into the newspaper. You think if a stripper filed rape charges after going to a Duke men's basketball players' party Duke AD Joe Alleva would've canceled the rest of the season for them? Of course not. John Swofford and ESPN would not let him.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 5:24 PM. Reason : .]

11/29/2006 5:22:16 PM

Wow, going from Chuck Amato on Saturday to "I don't want Norm Chow" is a lot of confidence. Maybe, not my first choice but damn.

11/29/2006 5:22:53 PM

Cower reported saying not coming to State....

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/today/s_481956.html

11/29/2006 5:23:43 PM

Hire Jimbo.

11/29/2006 5:24:35 PM

Chow is old and never been a HC before. I want someone who has at least been a HC somewhere in the college ranks. How did the last long time coordinator who never had been a HC turn out for us??

11/29/2006 5:25:25 PM

HIRE JIMBO, NEINAS

11/29/2006 5:26:02 PM

^^ Why don't you ask Notre Dame how hiring a long time OC- never been a HC worked out for them.

Pretty Damn well, I think. Not saying I think Chow should be our #1, but to base your whole reasoning on Amato not working out is stupid.

11/29/2006 5:31:54 PM

^thats putting the cart ahead of the horse, Ty Willingham did essentially the same thing. Lets see how he does sans Quinn

11/29/2006 5:33:49 PM

JIMBO

11/29/2006 5:33:51 PM

If you wouldn't take Chow as NCSU's next head coach, you probably do not have any reason to be typing in this chat. Check out his accomplishment and give Philip Rivers a call on what Norm can do for a team. I don't think you hang around college football for the years that Chow did without learning a thing or two about how to be a head coach. Dumb asses

http://usctrojans.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/chow_norm00.html

11/29/2006 5:35:24 PM

^^^ Maybe so. Maybe ND will never return to the greatness they once achieved, but I can tell you one thing. If whoever our new coach is right away produces two seasons like what they just had, I will pee my pants.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 5:36 PM. Reason : d]

11/29/2006 5:35:55 PM

BILL PARCELLS FOR NCSU COACH

i mean its kinda like retirement without having to spend your entire time talking to your wife

COME ON DUDE

11/29/2006 5:38:28 PM

statefans is saying cowher is not interested

11/29/2006 5:38:32 PM

Quote :

"If you wouldn't take Chow as NCSU's next head coach, you probably do not have any reason to be typing in this chat"

That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard

Oh, and this isn't a chat...and dumbass is one word

11/29/2006 5:38:41 PM

Chow's a done deal in Arizona State as OC.

11/29/2006 5:38:41 PM

Pardon me dumbass

11/29/2006 5:40:19 PM

source/link?

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 5:40 PM. Reason : ^^]

11/29/2006 5:40:20 PM

^ Hasn't been released yet, but that's the popular rumor around the coaching circle

And I can vouch for him... it seems to be a legit claim

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 5:42 PM. Reason : ]

11/29/2006 5:41:32 PM

were gonna get so fucked in this deal

11/29/2006 5:48:45 PM

well put jay

11/29/2006 5:51:13 PM

yea Chow to ASU via Lisa Love's long time friendship.

the Cowher statement is surprising...The chin using the word flattered?? interesting

I think within a week we will have a new coach.

[Edited on November 29, 2006 at 5:57 PM. Reason : f]

11/29/2006 5:57:22 PM

Yeah, I'm a dumbass since I didn't think that we would hire the coach of last years Super Bowl Champs or an obvious OC-only.

I'll be happy (and any knowledgeable fan should as well) with Fisher or Johnson. Cutcliffe is stretchin it, bigtime.

11/29/2006 5:58:02 PM

Hell, maybe Chow ends up here as OC... but I highly doubt it. Everything points to AZ State.

Fisher would probably bring the DC from LSU with him, Bellini or something.

11/29/2006 5:58:57 PM

getting the DC from lsu would be fanfuckingtastic no matter who the HC is

even better if they've worked together before

11/29/2006 6:03:19 PM