no just charlie

12/21/2006 1:58:42 PM

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"and lose in the first or second round of the ncaa again! yay! "

better to be in than not

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"are you telling me that if herb was coaching this team w/ the exact same players it would be better? that is the dumbest thing i have ever read. "

Currently we have NO structure, with structure we win more games. You know why Herb used the offense he did? So we could compete with lackluster players. And we did. It just wasn't the OMG DID YOU SEE THAT DUNK?!?! eye candy shit people wanted.

Now we have the OMG DID YOU SEE THAT DUNK?!?! offense and it ain't helping us for shit now is it?

12/21/2006 2:23:41 PM

how can you say we have no structure?

12/21/2006 2:25:33 PM

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"how many passes were intercepted and how many ill-advised shots were taken..."

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 2:27 PM. Reason : when we get atsur back we'll have more structure...why? b/c of Herb]

12/21/2006 2:26:26 PM

atsur will improve our rotation, he won't affect our structure. the team definitely has structure. they run offensive sets and are especially structured on defense. it's not like they're just running around playing street ball out there.

12/21/2006 2:29:00 PM

everyone out there was looking at gavin b/c they didn't know wtf to do with the ball

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 2:30 PM. Reason : gfhj]

12/21/2006 2:29:55 PM

one of my favorite moments from the game

12/21/2006 2:38:47 PM

^haha, yea that was great

and i'm not sure if it's worth arguing with charlie or not b/c he doesnt seem to possess the ability to think rationally, but remember we were picked to be last in the acc. if you think herb could could come as close as we did to beating a top ten team with a team finished to pick last in the acc than you didn't actually watch his teams for the past ten years or you are just really really stupid.

12/21/2006 2:45:14 PM

didnt herb beat a few in his first year or two that were top 10 when we were picked to finish last in the acc



[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 2:48 PM. Reason : im a fool]

12/21/2006 2:46:33 PM

^Yes. People like ohmy will continue to hate on Herb no matter what you say.

ITS OKAY WE LOST WE ALMOST BEAT A TOP 10 TEAM EVEN THOUGH WE REALLY SHOULD HAVE LOST BY 20!

Whatever. We played like ass and people are excited.

12/21/2006 2:49:17 PM

^^^^I don't think I have ever seen anyone as black as that guy in the second row.

12/21/2006 2:57:58 PM

^ lol


for the record, i hate ted valentine

[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 4:26 PM. Reason : sp?]

12/21/2006 4:26:10 PM

^^holy shit there is a guy next to him, he needs to smile

i almost missed him

12/21/2006 4:27:38 PM

hes a blacker version of Bill Duke from Predator and some other movies:

12/21/2006 4:41:05 PM

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"Whatever. We played like ass and people are excited."

We have 6 players in the rotation. One of those is a former walk-on and the other was in his first game and has a red afro.

For all of you whining about structure...get a grip. Lowe doesn't like playing zone on defense but he does. We can't play man to man becuase we don't have the legs to chase people around an entire game and we can't get into foul trouble. Our guards (Gavin, even though he's a forward) don't have the speed to keep up with faster point guards (Like Steele, Singletary, and Lawson)... so we are forced even more to play zone. We can't really go inside becuase we don't have big athletic big men (Yes McCauley is solid but homeboy for Bama was throwing our shit left and right into the bleachers last night). We can't run complex offenses with no point guard and a bunch of Herbie's combo guards.

Relax. I think Lowe has done an extremely good job with the personnel he's got. We have no depth, no size, no point guard, and minimal talent (A few good players with a bunch of walk ons and freshmen), and our best defender/ballhandler is hurt.


We can't play any sort of stingy defense becuase if someone fouls out we basically have to forfeit the game.

I'm not excited becuase of the Alabama game, but to say we played like ass is like making fun of kids in the special olympics.


[Edited on December 21, 2006 at 6:14 PM. Reason : ]

12/21/2006 6:10:52 PM

7

12/21/2006 6:23:56 PM

Okay 7....and Neimann, Ferguson, and Horner are really good

12/21/2006 6:25:50 PM

^ whaaaaa?

12/21/2006 6:31:06 PM

Everyone needs to read PackBacker's post. It is accurate. If you are basing Sidney Lowe's coaching or "structure" on the situation he is in now with no true center or point guard, you truly know nothing about basketball. I know everyone has seen us go on 10-0 or 14-0 runs after timeouts, that is a sign of a great coach. We are in a very very good situation with the staff we have and the recruits coming in. Just have to be patient, this year will be rough.

12/21/2006 6:41:36 PM

^ exactly. i don't think enough people understand how little lowe has to work with here. aside from atsur (who is out, obviously), no one he has currently played more than like 3 minutes per game last season or any season in their career (just made 3 minutes up, don't crucify me if it's off by a minute or two). he basically has one player with game experience, and he's hurt. you really can't expect much at all this season. wait until he gets things in full swing and gets his own recruits in, then judge him. personally, i think he's going to tear the acc up if his recruiting stays at the level that it is for this class (and that's coming into the job late, he's the money).

12/21/2006 7:39:23 PM

The crowd was beyond terrible, it was sad and pathetic. People on the FLOOR level started to take naps and nod off. But heh, at least they come so we have to give everyone there credit for coming.

Keep filling up those seats!

12/21/2006 9:19:06 PM

im just saying, besides being down by 20, on a holiday, on a weeknight at 6:30, and it being a boring game, its just hard to cheer and get a huge screaming crowd. i'd put down $500 that it'd be very very loud if it was a saturday game in late november early december, or after new years

12/21/2006 10:18:28 PM

alright, everyone in here is a bunch of morons:

A. Lowe is doing well with what he has; but he is not doing as well as herb would have done so far this year, think about that, a first year coach, versus a coach who would have been here in his 10th season(I believe), give me a break, not bashing lowe, not sucking off herb, just stating some facts.

B. We do not have structure right now, face it. You call some wild ass passes across the court that just get intercepted, and gavin grant standing at the 3 pt line looking for someone to pass to with everyone else STANDING STILL with their hand up for the pass structure? thats why we got done by 23 points, everyone stood still with their thumb up their ass. When they actually moved, points were put up.

/rant

with that said, im enjoying watching the team, and I hope we prove everyone wrong this year.

12/21/2006 11:54:22 PM

we have no system?? are you fucking kidding me?

GAVIN GRANT IS NOT A POINT GUARD. You know why we have "no system"? Because your fucking god Herb recruited one god damn guard. And he got injured.

And, if you werent idiots, you would realize that the problem is that we have TWO systems. The old one, and the new one. It doesnt matter which one is better, because when you have people who spent 2+ years learning one system and have had under 6 months to learn a new one its going to create problems.

This was going to be a bad year without Herb leaving. We have a future, and I am very excited about Coach Lowe.

Now, shut the fuck up about "no system" and bad passes.

12/22/2006 12:07:17 AM

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"we have no system?? are you fucking kidding me?"

No, im not, I dont call standing around NOT MOVING waiting for the pass a system. you need motion in order to score. Im pretty sure everyone knows this, I hardly ever play any basketball and I know enough to know that guarding someone who is standing still is not very hard.

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"You know why we have "no system"? Because your fucking god Herb recruited one god damn guard. And he got injured."

check yourself, I previously stated "im not sucking herb off", herb was not my god, but neither is lowe just yet, if you cant see that a 10+ year coach is better than a first year coach, maybe you need to an education in sports.

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"We have a future, and I am very excited about Coach Lowe. Now, shut the fuck up about "no system" and bad passes."

Im aware we have a future, im excited about Lowe as well, I never said I wasn't, in fact I said earlier I AM excited, dipshit. Now, you shut the fuck up, go read some shit on the internet, learn about basketball and sports, and realize that at least for the ala game, we had no fucking system, and made HORRIBLE passes, and if you dont realize that, just quit fucking watching basketball, because you dont know shit.

12/22/2006 12:31:43 AM

we've never seen the fight in herb's teams that we have in lowe's teams.

we've never seen the efficiency coming out of timeouts in herb's teams that we have in lowe's.

we've never seen us put POST players in the POST and get such POST-game efficiency in herb's teams that we have in lowe's.

herb recruited well, yeah, (or maybe it was harris), but see if herb can put together the class that lowe has in such a small amount of time.

we've never seen the excitement around ncsu bball besides herb's first couple years that we have with lowe now. herb bored the heck out of and split the entire fanbase. when you know you'll lose in the first or second round of the ncaa every year there just wasnt a whole lot to get excited about.

i guess i am a "herb hater" b/c i hate how he freaking sucked the life out of this program. yea he did do a lot for the program and took us up to a steady level, and i appreciate him for that. but then he stuck around years too long, split the fanbase, failed to motivate the players, coached us to baffling losses, failed to relate the players, failed to relate to the fans, etc. i hate how he promised the fans and the players that he would run the court and we never did. i hate how we had to watch the talents of people like cedric simmons and cameron bennerman completely wasted in herb's system. i hate to think of how much time they put into a program only to be used for setting picks at the three point line or launching contested threes at the end of the shot clock and watching it all result in a couple big upsets a year, more baffling losses to horrible teams, and the annual quick exit in the tourney. yea i'm glad he left but he shoulda done it sooner.

i'm no basketball genius, but it doesn't take one to see the positives that lowe has brought to the program. yeah he's been here less than a year and maybe that's not enough time to tell whether he was a good hire or whether we should have kept herb or what have you. but i'm telling you, sid's the man. he's got jack to worth with and is doing an amazing job considering.

no i can't prove it b/c he's only been here for 7 months or so. i just hope all you sid haters, herb lovers, sid doubters, utter pessimists, or whoever you are talking crap about lowe and the direction he has this program headed in are around in a few years. so that i can point at each and every one of you and say "see you shmuck i told you so."

im done. bring it on, herbies. (as long as you stick around in a few years so i can tell you, like i said, that i told you so.)

12/22/2006 3:28:07 AM

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"i guess i am a "herb hater" b/c i hate how he freaking sucked the life out of this program."

To be fair, he only sucked out what life he breathed into it. So I suppose it was his to take away.

That said, I'm so very glad he's gone now.

12/22/2006 8:42:34 AM

ohmy you have got to be one of the fucking dumbest posters in this section.

Nothing you say is ever remotely correct.

Everything that State basketball was before and during Herbs tenure directly negates every whinny little bitch thing you say (aside from post presence).

Did herb fuck your mother or something? because goddamn your father must have stopped after seeing you come out.

12/22/2006 8:55:40 AM

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" check yourself, I previously stated "im not sucking herb off", herb was not my god, but neither is lowe just yet, if you cant see that a 10+ year coach is better than a first year coach, maybe you need to an education in sports."

does 4 yrs. head coaching in the nba count? or the 9 yrs as an asst. in the nba?

i'm not saying this automatically makes him better, but i would take a young up and coming nba coach w/ loads of knowledge over a bald guy that does the same shit every year.

^sorry Lokken but ohmy is correct on 95% of his post

12/22/2006 10:52:01 AM

no, hes not

but youre right behind him on the fucking idiot meter in sports talk.

you just going to ignore my repsonse to your dimwitted post on the last page? I figured.

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"but i would take a young up and coming nba coach w/ loads of knowledge over a bald guy that does the same shit every year."

I mean are you fucking kidding me? Up and coming? Lowe blew it in the NBA. He wasnt a good head coach at all.

I definately think he will be an excellent college coach, but jesus christ you really demonstrate zero knowledge of anything.

[Edited on December 22, 2006 at 11:04 AM. Reason : *]

12/22/2006 11:01:04 AM

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"idiot meter in sports talk."

Lokken, you just set the bar real high for this ...

12/22/2006 11:15:32 AM

good one

want to come with anything intelligent?

didnt think so. bye.

12/22/2006 11:19:00 AM

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"I mean are you fucking kidding me? Up and coming? Lowe blew it in the NBA. He wasnt a good head coach at all. "

taking the grizzlies to the best 2 seasons they ever had is hardly "blowing it."

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"you just going to ignore my repsonse to your dimwitted post on the last page? I figured."

respond to what? you just said i misunderstood your point. i didn't realize i was supposed to waste space in this thread to acknowledge you need to make your points more clear.

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"He wasnt a good head coach at all. "

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"I definately think he will be an excellent college coach, but jesus christ you really demonstrate zero knowledge of anything. "

what leads you to believe this if you thought he was so terrible in the nba? aren't you on the sid hasn't proved shit compared to sendek bandwagon? i dont see why you have any valid point according to your own logic to believe in sid, especially after disagreeing w/ all of ohmy's valid points.

what "knowledge" do you have that i don't?

12/22/2006 11:28:45 AM

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"A. Lowe is doing well with what he has; but he is not doing as well as herb would have done so far this year"

Well, they're Herb's players designed for Herb's system. Herb beat people with a tricky scheme and not athleticism.... and we usually lost to more athletic teams becuase of that lack of athleticism.

We're attempting to run a more traditional offense with players not designed for it or chosen by the coach who's running it.... that's always the case when a new coach takes over. As an example, go look at Kryzooooooski's first few years at Duke. He was horrible.... his 4th or 5th year (Not to mention something like 5 of his first 10 years) he went to the final four. He took over a very talented team...I believe he came in directly after Vic Bubas, who was extremely successful at Duke. Lowe's lineup is stripped with nothing but a bunch of combo guards fit for Herb's system. What do you expect?

In all fairness to Lowe, Herb probably couldn't do much better than this year's team. Even had we kept Herb it would have taken an act of God to get us to the NCAA's and out of the bottom half of the ACC with this lineup.

12/22/2006 11:40:06 AM

^^not enough room here to go over the knowlege i have that you dont.

especially if you cant tell the difference between me saying he didnt do well as an nba coach but I think he will do well as a college coach.

or

you taking my simple point in this quote

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"You guys are fucking retarded. Im excited about Sidney Lowe as well, and I like him a lot. But youre using your moronic hatred of Herbs offense to build up our lesser ( but OMG MOR DUNKS) team this year."

to come to this fucking conclusion:

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"are you shitting me? are you telling me that if herb was coaching this team w/ the exact same players it would be better? that is the dumbest thing i have ever read. "

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"aren't you on the sid hasn't proved shit compared to sendek bandwagon? "

nope, never have been. Im all for sid and im excited. which is all ive ever indicated. I even mention this pre AND post posts for idiots like you.

I am on the bandwagon that thinks people like you and ohmy are retarded. You are ignorant of what Herb did for the program and where it was before him. You hold him to a double standard, because your simple pea-brain couldnt follow his offense, by praising Lowe for things you would bash him for. You have no valid points because all of your posts demonstrate a complete lack of knowledge of basketball, especially NC State basketball.

For fucks sake, you used Herb's baldness.

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"In all fairness to Lowe, Herb probably couldn't do much better than this year's team. Even had we kept Herb it would have taken an act of God to get us to the NCAA's and out of the bottom half of the ACC with this lineup."

I agree with this. Either coach would have faced a tough year this year.


[Edited on December 22, 2006 at 11:42 AM. Reason : *]

12/22/2006 11:40:35 AM

Herb's team > OMFG DID YOU SEE THAT DUNK

12/22/2006 11:51:48 AM

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"ohmy you have got to be one of the fucking dumbest posters in this section. Nothing you say is ever remotely correct. Everything that State basketball was before and during Herbs tenure directly negates every whinny little bitch thing you say (aside from post presence). Did herb fuck your mother or something? because goddamn your father must have stopped after seeing you come out."

this is a very intelligent post. look how it spews forth with basketball knowledge.

herb's quick exits < deep runs into the tourney. which i am willing to bet a very large sum of money that we will have under lowe. it's funny how people like charlie wanted to give herb more than ten years but don't want to give lowe one. lolf!

12/22/2006 12:08:10 PM

btw i admit i was a lil too rough on herb earlier. lol. i dont hate him that much. i just get mad when i sit and think a/b poor guys like bennerman who were duped into thinking theyd actually do anything worthwhile on the bball court only to have nay chance of that squandered by herbs ridiculous system.

but i do appreciate what he did here. no its not a contradiction. i know he did a lot. and he got us to be a consistent ncaa team. problem is (besides all the others i mentioned in the earlier post) he didnt know when to move on and it was clear years ago he should have. but he's a classy guy and i do wish him success at asu. not too much though, hehe, b/c if he does anything beyond ncaa first or second round you herbies will see say look omg we ran of the best coach evaaar! even tho sid will have us in the sweet sixteen, elite eight, etc. heck if he gets his team to any big win you guys will prolly come on saying we should have signed him to a contr4ct 4 lyfe! that will be fun.

12/22/2006 12:18:49 PM

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"No, im not, I dont call standing around NOT MOVING waiting for the pass a system. you need motion in order to score. Im pretty sure everyone knows this, I hardly ever play any basketball and I know enough to know that guarding someone who is standing still is not very hard."

In all fairness, you agree that we had a 7man rotation and no point gaurd. Gavin had a 39.4m/gm avg coming into this game. Our players are very tired, and its def hard to run a system against a top 10 team who is running and gunnin. Nobody is sayin you should just stand there and wait for shit to happen, but you can only demand so much out of a team who played their fuckin hearts out.

I have never seen a last 2 mins of a game like I saw that night in an NC State BBall game.
Oh wait, I think I did see a team coming back from a huge lead and win in the last 2 mins, but we were usually the team giving up the lead, not coming back. The passion that Sidney showed on the sideline was one that I haven't seen in about 9years, the refs had to hold him back at times.

12/22/2006 12:23:20 PM

There is so much stupidity in this thread.

PackBacker and Lokken are the only ones that have a clue.

Yes I loved Herb, but none of us Herb-lovers other than Charlie are hating on Lowe. Because I liked the old coach I automatically don't like the new one?

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"herb recruited well, yeah, (or maybe it was harris), but see if herb can put together the class that lowe has in such a small amount of time. we've never seen the excitement around ncsu bball besides herb's first couple years that we have with lowe now. herb bored the heck out of and split the entire fanbase. when you know you'll lose in the first or second round of the ncaa every year there just wasnt a whole lot to get excited about."

If people are so excited, then why have we yet to come even close to a sellout? We are only averaging about 10,000 a game. Every time I go to sell my tickets, I lose money. Everyone wanted a new coach, but nobody wants to actually show up.

And BTW, if you knew college basketball at all ohmy you would know that Arizona State is probably the worst basketball school in the BCS conferences. His recruiting class for 2007 is ranked 16th already. So much for that shit talking. You have nothing.

12/22/2006 1:16:37 PM

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" Arizona State is probably the worst basketball school in the BCS conferences."

basketball and the BCS
thats a new one

12/22/2006 1:26:31 PM

That's pure comedy gold right there. Especially from a guy claiming that this thread is filled with stupidity.

12/22/2006 2:26:56 PM

its pretty common to refer to the top 6 basketball conferences as the bcs conferences just for clarification purposes. ive heard that tons of times on espn and read it in a lot of preview magazines. im pretty sure he knows that there isnt a bcs in basketball.

12/22/2006 2:54:17 PM

^^Uhh dumbass the BCS conferences are the major conferences which happen to contain the best basketball teams.

^What he said. TWW Sports Talk is just not what it used to be with these idiots.

12/22/2006 3:11:27 PM

No what it used to be?

Umm, I'm pretty sure I was on TWW Sports Talk YEARS before you. Gunzz as well.

Why would you refer to the major conferences in basketball as BCS?

Why not just call them, ummm, the Major conferences. In contrast to Mid-Major, or Low-Major.

12/22/2006 3:41:12 PM

hey packboozie, BCS stands for Bowl Championship Series. NCAA 1-AA has a football playoff series. This has nothing to do with basketball

when do basketball teams play in Bowls

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"its pretty common to refer to the top 6 basketball conferences as the bcs conferences just for clarification purposes. ive heard that tons of times on espn and read it in a lot of preview magazines. im pretty sure he knows that there isnt a bcs in basketball"

hahah, whatever...i have never ever heard anyone refer to basketball as the BCS...striclty football
even Adam Gold called someone out on this early in the week

[Edited on December 22, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : sports fans]

[Edited on December 22, 2006 at 4:20 PM. Reason : post links to where NCAA tourny teams are refered to BCS]

12/22/2006 4:18:52 PM

^

Citing Adam Gold as a sports reference isn't helping your cause

12/22/2006 4:21:23 PM

how long are you fuckers gonbna talk about herb? shut the fuck up already

i concur with gunzz suspending anyone who even breathes his name

12/22/2006 4:22:11 PM

^^^ you knew exactly what he meant. the 6 top conferences are the bcs conferences. even wikipedia says that those 6 conferences are often referred to as bcs conferences for sports such as womens and mens basketball.

"The term is generally used in college football, though it is often applied to all collegiate sports."

it also says they are called the power conferences but he isnt wrong calling them the bcs conferences.

[Edited on December 22, 2006 at 4:49 PM. Reason : quote]

12/22/2006 4:48:03 PM

when did I hate on lowe?

i really have no opinion of lowe

i'm just saying we're not in a good place right now and i'm basically pointing out all the faults no ones wants to say we have

if i wanted to say anything about lowe, i'd say he just laughed and told ferguson not to worry about the bonehead pass he made at the end of the game that got intercepted and basically realized that no matter what we did we were going to lose.

i could say that lowe only said we played with a lot of heart because we only lost by 6 and you can't say--"well, Bama was sucking it up and we got lucky..." after a team like this comes back only to lose by 6

12/22/2006 4:52:15 PM