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"I saw him play live in both a Bulls and Wizard uniform"

I've also seen Kobe play live

3/28/2007 2:45:25 PM

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"If you had $100,000 to bet on a team, 1 with kobe in it, or 1 with jordan in it, which would you choose?"

there seriously needs to be a thread based off this question...where people pick 5 players from an era and put them against different combinations of people now...like dirk, kobe, nash, and a few others versus like jordan, bird, and whoever else u wanted to pick

i'd def. pick jordan cause that man was consistency

3/28/2007 2:48:43 PM

THe first half of his career Kobe played off the ball. An assist differential that marginal would just come from the amount of touches the player received. Playing with shaq, probably costs Kobe that .7 assist a game.

I don't actually believe Kobe is better than Jordan. But it is possible. That's all Treetwista has been trying to say too. This Jordan worship is sick.

Basketball is not the only sport where players are measured against the greats. That statement just simply isn't true. Reggie Bush was compared to Sayers and Sanders. LT is constantly compared to Faulk, Brown and the other great RBS......qbs? Peyton isn't compared to Montana? It is definitely done with Baseball, especially since baseball is the easiest sport to compare numbers throughout eras.

3/28/2007 4:29:30 PM

Nash = Russell
Kobe = Chamberlain
Wow I about died right there. LOL at any analogy comparing a PG with 0 rings and terrible defense to Russell.

Kobe has won more already than Nash ever will. I don't care about the MVP though it's been proved illegitimate the last couple years.

If Nash wins it over Dirk this year then everyone will know it's a joke because the criteria keep changing so the media can keep giving it to Nash.

THe first year they give it to Nash because they won the most games, the second year they gave it to them because his team did OK without Amare, now this year they're trying to give it to him because when he didn't play they lost. That is the dumbest one yet of the three, although I though last years was weak too. The Suns have a ton of talent probably the most talented supporting cast in the league but their system makes them rely on a pass-first PG and their coach doesn't change it when he's injured. You put Kidd, TJ Ford, or hell even Ridnour or Steve Blake in there and it's not much of a loss.

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 1:39:03 PM

I think everything vonjordan said was wrong, kobe is much better

3/29/2007 3:25:16 PM

^^the first half of your post is 100% correct

^^the second half of your post is the dumbest comment ever made about about basketball

3/29/2007 4:02:58 PM

double post, sorry

3/29/2007 4:04:41 PM

montclair, I have never heard of a rookie in baseball or football getting a 90 million dollar endorsement contract and being compared to babe ruth or Aaron, Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana; without actually stepping on the fucking field. The NBA is the only one that does this(because lebron was jordan and so was kobe, and AI and Carter), the other sport starts to do this after the "star" has actually won a couple things and proved themselves (even if a little). This is also true in NHL and NASCAR, boxing etc. You have to prove yourself in the big league at least for a while.

And as usual I have no comment for Lisa's trolling of me



[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 4:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/29/2007 4:25:29 PM

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"Nash = Russell Kobe = Chamberlain "

who said that?

3/29/2007 4:29:37 PM

yeah i didn't see that ^ but it is fucking stupid

vonjordan, you might have a point...except Lebron is obviously an anomaly. But those comparisons are made in all individual sports. Endorsements are based on the individualized marketing of basketball. We know the reasons for this. Individuals impact a basketball game more than other sports. They aren't wearing headgear to hide their faces during play. There are less players on a team, so it is much easier to identify each one. But you may have a point. But the Vince Carter comparisons were just because he was the same size, same position, same college, similar look. Kobe didn't get the comparisons until he performed like him on the court for a couple years. AI was never considered as good as Jordan, or better or similar.....he was hyped coming out of college, because he was sick in the big east.

3/29/2007 4:52:32 PM

the similarities between jordan and kobe are scary

#8 ~ #24
#23 ~ #45

Phil Jackson

three peat

during each other's era, both were "the one player you want taking the last shot"

All defensive teams

No two players have ever had such Killer Instinct

KOBE IS THE VILLIAN JORDAN

3/29/2007 9:14:29 PM

what was that weird fact about kobe's 81 points scored put him up to 666 points. now thats scary.

3/29/2007 9:32:33 PM

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"montclair, I have never heard of a rookie in baseball or football getting a 90 million dollar endorsement contract and being compared to babe ruth or Aaron, Johnny Unitas or Joe Montana; without actually stepping on the fucking field. The NBA is the only one that does this(because lebron was jordan and so was kobe, and AI and Carter), the other sport starts to do this after the "star" has actually won a couple things and proved themselves (even if a little). This is also true in NHL and NASCAR, boxing etc. You have to prove yourself in the big league at least for a while."

Reggie Bush

Dale Earnhardt jr.

Daisuke Matsuzaka

[Edited on March 29, 2007 at 10:00 PM. Reason : I get jap baseball players confused ]

3/29/2007 9:59:54 PM

tiger woods

3/29/2007 10:05:37 PM

Freddy Adu

3/29/2007 10:33:35 PM

I have never heard of dale jr. being compared to richard petty? to his dad yes after he won two busch titles. And tigerwoods wasn't compared until he started winning majors.

3/30/2007 8:01:21 AM

what about when lebron would play pickup games in summer leagues against nba all stars and hold his own...when he was in high school

or are you arguing that he hasnt already lived up to the hype so far

cause he has

3/30/2007 9:16:11 AM

sidney crosby was never compared with the greats before he touched the ice.....

3/30/2007 9:37:55 AM

Michelle Wi

golf is nothin but thugs

3/30/2007 9:43:52 AM

yeah......basketball isn't alone on this.

3/30/2007 11:26:52 AM

lebron was already better than jordan before he played one fucking nba game, that is what the media said, and sorry no other sport claimed this that damn quick. Yes there are some sports figures that have been compared to legends quickly, but it does not happen nearly as much as it does in the nba. The nba thrives off of this, where as sports like baseball protect their legends with ****162 games**** and *****steroids*****.

and no lebron is not michael jordan, kobe is closer than he is.

[Edited on March 30, 2007 at 12:36 PM. Reason : hype]

3/30/2007 12:35:37 PM

i honestly never heard anyone in the media say Lebron was better than Jordan.....but ok

3/30/2007 12:54:02 PM

^^at this point right now, kobe is definitely closer to MJ than Lebron is to MJ...as of right now

course when Lebron was 18 he WAS better than Jordan or anybody else at 18...hell Lebron was by far the best player to come out of high school based on first year numbers...you can add up T-Mac, Kobe, Garnett, etc and Lebron's rookie numbers crushed all of their rookie numbers combined

3/30/2007 1:00:36 PM

that is true^

But to comare to Jordan? must be wrong (though i heard way more Big O or Magic comparisons)

vonjordan probably thinks Jordan is better than Ditka

3/30/2007 1:55:22 PM

I bet Ditka is a better baseball player lol

3/30/2007 1:57:09 PM

Jordan didn't start winning titles til later than Kobe already has 3 and Jordan's prime was in his early 30's which Kobe hasn't gotten to yet you can bet if they had similar teammates Kobe would be the most dominate ever played.

3/30/2007 2:14:55 PM

lol nobody is better than ditka but chuck norris

3/30/2007 2:20:12 PM

Lebron is closer in playing style to Magic than Jordan.

3/30/2007 2:23:07 PM

wow

(ESPN right now)

3/31/2007 12:15:54 AM

incredible

3/31/2007 12:23:21 AM

but he was ice cold for more than 15 minutes in the second half

3/31/2007 12:25:34 AM

hitting everything. jumper over yao ming

3/31/2007 12:28:12 AM

that stat looks pretty 'valuable'

and heres another thing...kobe got the nba at a younger age than jordan and he also got phil jackson coaching him at a younger age than jordan...dean smith was a great coach and all but nobody is trying to say jordan is the best college player ever...food for thought

[Edited on March 31, 2007 at 12:31 AM. Reason : .]

3/31/2007 12:28:59 AM

he screwed the pooch with the travel

3/31/2007 12:37:57 AM

^^ I agree with that

~but I will always think dean smith was overrated (I’m not saying he was a bad coach) but I recall an ESPN top 25 coaches ever in all sports and he was number one. Sorry, with all the talent he had, he could have won a few more titles if he was the greatest coach all-time in all sports. Plus when you coach for 400 years, you are bound to have a record(and this is not because I hate the Tarholes).

3/31/2007 7:06:12 AM

i am a big fan of kobe and its obvious the lakers blow without him dropping at least 30 so why is there so much hatred towards kobe?


is it because he screws our white women? or because it was either him or old ass shaq that had to go and the lakers made the smart decision to keep the younger and more talented player?

3/31/2007 10:33:21 AM

I think Kobe is a great scorer. But i don't think he's the league's MVP. He drops 50 but his team still loses. He took over 40 shots in that game. He should be more of a team player IMO. I think the Lakers would be better if he scored 30 a night and got his team more involved. That's just my opinion.

It doesn't bother me that people say he should be MVP. What bothered me was people said he was a better player than Jordan.

3/31/2007 10:50:18 AM

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"THe first year they give it to Nash because they won the most games, the second year they gave it to them because his team did OK without Amare, now this year they're trying to give it to him because when he didn't play they lost. That is the dumbest one yet of the three, although I though last years was weak too. The Suns have a ton of talent probably the most talented supporting cast in the league but their system makes them rely on a pass-first PG and their coach doesn't change it when he's injured. You put Kidd, TJ Ford, or hell even Ridnour or Steve Blake in there and it's not much of a loss."

Stop posting please.

Steve Blake? WTF man.

3/31/2007 10:58:48 AM

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"I think Kobe is a great scorer. But i don't think he's the league's MVP. He drops 50 but his team still loses. He took over 40 shots in that game. He should be more of a team player IMO. I think the Lakers would be better if he scored 30 a night and got his team more involved. That's just my opinion. It doesn't bother me that people say he should be MVP. What bothered me was people said he was a better player than Jordan."

He was trying to get his team involved for much of the season, the problem is that the rest of the team is much less consistent and reliable. They have a better chance of winning if Kobe takes half of the shots. And this was one of the VERY FEW times that they have lost when he scores 50 (something like 17-5, that's not the number, but it's similar to that and I don't remember where I saw it).

You can't rack up assists when your teammates can't score.

3/31/2007 11:03:37 AM

^ good point

i was telling my roommates last night that if he didnt have to score 50 every night, he wouldnt, but besides odom that team is garbage

there is nobody on that team that could even be in the top 7 for the pistons/suns/mavs

3/31/2007 11:24:50 AM

Walton has a better FG and 3 % than Kobe. But no one on that team can score.

3/31/2007 11:31:45 AM

haha please dont argue with me and tell me walton and score


common sense usually goes to show that

walton - 3-3, 1-1 from 3 pt land is gonna have a better FG % than Kobe who is usually like 18-40. dumbass

3/31/2007 11:33:24 AM

I'm talking about for the year dipshit.

And if the guy is 3-3 and 1-1 every night, I'd pass him the ball more.

[Edited on March 31, 2007 at 11:40 AM. Reason : more]

3/31/2007 11:37:27 AM

do you not watch lakers games?

nobody wants to score, please gtfo away if you think walton is a legitimate scorer.

let me guess, next you are gonna tell me that walton could be in the starting lineup for the suns or mavs

3/31/2007 11:44:22 AM

No I won't say that but I will say he would be a much better player with Nash at PG. Which is maybe why he wins MVPs and Kobe doesn't.

3/31/2007 12:17:34 PM

It's amazing to me how forwards and centers have ever won MVP's with the way people in this thread are judging the award.

MAKING YOUR TEAMMATES BETTER IS NOT THE MAIN REQUIREMENT FOR BASKETBALL PLAYERS, IT'S THE MAIN REQUIREMENT FOR POINT GUARDS.

Stop trying to judge a team's primary scorer based on the criteria for judging point guards.

[Edited on March 31, 2007 at 12:38 PM. Reason : ]

3/31/2007 12:38:01 PM

Quote :

"lebron was already better than jordan before he played one fucking nba game, that is what the media said, and sorry no other sport claimed this that damn quick."

So wait, Reggie Bush wasn't the running back who would re-invent football from about November 2005 til just about every other rookie RB had more yards than him?

3/31/2007 8:16:50 PM

Nice clips of 97/98 Kobe vs Jordan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC-kKQMue4g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_rG3DtBnM&mode=related&search=

3/31/2007 9:08:41 PM

Phil Jackson and the triangle offense?!

How good is it if it always requires someone to be a hero at the end of so many games? I mean it was Jordan and Pippen, then Kobe and Shaq. Doesn't seem to do much these past few years but there are also a lot of new players to that system.

???

4/1/2007 8:53:05 PM

Well, Phil never won w/o Shaq and Jordan.

See what happens when he has to coach an overrated ball hog.

4/1/2007 9:35:20 PM