I say if Davidson feels Olsen is what our offense needs, then take him, otherwise my draft board would be:

1. Laron Landry
2. Patrick Willis
3. Reggie Nelson

4/19/2007 4:11:20 PM

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingreports/s/michaelgriffin.html

4/19/2007 4:12:53 PM

We need to lure Briggs from Chi-town.
Why would we be restructuring contracts like crazy if we werent going to make a big move?

Trade up to Chicago with our draft pick to help entice the Briggs deal. We dont need a mid 1st round pick THAT bad anyways.....

4/19/2007 4:15:25 PM

Quote :

"Why would we be restructuring contracts like crazy if we werent going to make a big move? "

cause unfortunately at the moment we dont have much cap room to work with to do anything

and we gotta go ahead and prepare to do what it takes to keep both Peppers and Smitty after this season

4/19/2007 4:16:30 PM

^^don't forget, teams need approx. 4 mil to sign draft picks.

4/19/2007 4:20:00 PM

I'll be amazed if we are able to keep Peppers, he's already expressed interest in being the highest paid DE in the league.

4/19/2007 4:49:14 PM

and we will most likely make him that, b/c he is the best DE in the league at present. And, as i've said before, he'll have a career, maybe record breaking year with McGlover on the other side this year.....barring injury of course.

4/19/2007 4:55:02 PM

I'm sure we'd love to, but we are in bad shape cap wise. Mix that with the price tag Steve Smith is going to draw and it should be interesting.

4/19/2007 5:16:24 PM

i think we'll do everything possible to keep peppers and smith both

i mean they're arguably the best WR and DE in the league

4/19/2007 5:19:46 PM

I really would not be suprised if the Panthers go DE with their first pick. Not that I really want it to happen, but I could see it, especially the way Fox is known to draft suprise picks that no one really thinks about. With Rucker's future in question and Wallace gone (stupid move IMO) we're reallyyy thin at DE. And if this has already been talked about in this thread, sorry, I'm too lazy to go back through it.

I wouldnt mind someone like Arkansas' Jamaal Anderson. From what I've seen, he looks pretty nasty.
Here's a list of the best DE prospects: http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/rankings/de.html

4/19/2007 6:27:00 PM

If we really needed to we could sign either Peppers or Smith to a big deal and put the franchise tag other the other depending on how they perform in the next couple of years. That said we need to keep both of them because they are both the best players at their respective position.

4/19/2007 7:29:01 PM

Richardson has been quoted several times stating that we would find the funds to sign both Peppers and Smith.

4/19/2007 7:36:14 PM

Quote :

"he'll have a career, maybe record breaking year with McGlover on the other side this year."

It's McClover people.

I think that guy is going to be one hell of a pass rusher this year. I still remember when State was recruiting him ... he almost pulled a last-second surprise and signed with us....maybe in 03? Went to Auburn instead and never really lived up to his potiential. Hopefully now he will.

4/19/2007 8:55:31 PM

^^^I'm not 100% sure how the franchise tag works, but if you put it on Steve or Peppers, would the reaction not be the same as Briggs? From my understanding the franchise tag makes it very difficult to outbid the original team w/ the options other teams have to give up for trying to get a franchise player. I would think that niether player would accept the franchise tag too well.

Again, I am probably wrong, somebody please explain to me where I am wrong on the franchise tag if I am wrong.

4/19/2007 9:45:05 PM

i may be wrong, but i think with the franchise tag, you can guarantee that you keep a player if you pay him at least the average of the top 5 salaries at that position? that maybe slightly off but its something like that

4/19/2007 9:56:09 PM

yep, with a franchise tag, you're paying the player the average top 5 salary of his position. If the other teams sign your franchise player away, they have to give you 2 first round picks, so that basically means no team signs franchise player away from other teams, because the price is too steep.

4/19/2007 11:05:18 PM

Dear panthers,

I'll be available at 14


signed,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Zw7nxl4qa4

[Edited on April 25, 2007 at 3:09 PM. Reason : cant embed ]

4/25/2007 3:07:50 PM

not a bad pickup that would be

4/25/2007 4:53:41 PM

dear panthers: i might be available in the 2nd round

sincerely,


reggie nelson

aka michael griffin's bitch

4/25/2007 4:55:36 PM

heard today on ESPN we might be dealing down with Denver so we can get a safety.

Sounds like a good move to me, we could definitely use an extra draft pick

4/25/2007 5:04:52 PM

^any links? That would be a most interesting development...

And also WTF are we gonna do about Jenkins?!?! Is he going to be involved at all in said Denver deal?

[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 10:50 AM. Reason : KJ]

4/26/2007 10:48:58 AM

The Panthers signed signed Mr Franchise Gilbert and gave away 2 first rounders, has happened...I can see where a team that pics late in the first round almost always would gladly give 2 first rounders for Peppers. We could never find a replacement even with 3 first rounders.

[Edited on April 26, 2007 at 6:42 PM. Reason : w]

4/26/2007 6:41:52 PM

The Charlotte observer is saying we need to pick up a few starters from the draft: defensive end, linebacker, a safety and a receiver.
http://www.charlotte.com/141/story/99445.html

4/27/2007 12:46:26 PM

^ I think that article is trying to be sarcastic about expecting four starters from the draft even though we would obviously love for that to happen....

4/27/2007 2:23:56 PM

Pulled this off the panthershuddle site:

http://community.heraldonline.com/?q=you_want_rumors_you_got_rumors

Look at the comments section where they are talking about griffin and the author of the article posts "who said anything about griffin?"

Could it be Meriweather they are after?

interesting to say the least

4/27/2007 3:32:02 PM

I don't know about Merriweather, the Panthers staff has been steering clear of players with legal issues.

4/27/2007 3:40:16 PM

am i the only one who strongly does not want a tight end in the first couple rounds

4/27/2007 4:06:11 PM

I don't want to draft Greg Olsen at 14th.

4/27/2007 4:08:19 PM

but also a TE adds a threat down the middle...and Jake doesnt usually throw picks when he throws to the sides...so...

4/27/2007 4:36:43 PM

Quote :

"am i the only one who strongly does not want a tight end in the first couple rounds"

I don't want Olsen with our first pick ... maybe if we trade down to the 20's. I don't know why, but I just don't really like that guy.

But we've got to do something at TE. As of right now we have Gaines and Jeff King. That's it. That means NC State probably has more talent at TE than the Panthers.

Too bad this year pretty much sucks for TE's.

4/27/2007 5:48:33 PM

I just think if you dont have a Gates or Gonzo or Crumpler or Heap its almost not even worth it

But I guess a lot of it depends on what the new OC wants to run

4/27/2007 6:34:25 PM

man this thread depresses me...sounds like if not this year, then really soon the panthers are going to SUCK(sounds like we are gonna lose peppers or smith, or both...plus we are thinking of drafting a fucking TIGHT END in the FIRST round?!?!??!)

4/27/2007 6:38:02 PM

Quote :

"sounds like we are gonna lose peppers or smith, or both...plus we are thinking of drafting a fucking TIGHT END in the FIRST round?!?!??!)"

you havent read the thread, have you

4/27/2007 6:48:33 PM

not recently...i think i read some of this page though

4/27/2007 8:24:26 PM

couldn't find the thread with panthers draft picks bur saw this today and think this is a great move

Quote :

"4. Jessie Daniels, S, LSU (signed to rookie free-agent contract by Panthers): Daniels was the OTHER stud safety out of LSU. Whereas LaRon Landry went sixth overall to Washington on Saturday afternoon, Daniels went unselected this weekend. A ferocious hitting strong safety while down in Baton Rouge , he's an impact player who can make a difference at the next level. Daniels started for three years, and played in four straight bowl appearances for the Tigers. He didn't participate in the combine because of a strained hamstring. Questions about his speed that might have hurt his draft stock. Carolina, who traded out of the 14 pick and thus missed out on Reggie Nelson and Michael Griffin in the first round, signed Daniels on Monday. Mike Minter and Shaun Williams aren't getting any younger. There's a good chance he makes an instant impact for the Panthers. "

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6760130

5/1/2007 7:57:15 PM

I'm ready to part ways with minter

5/2/2007 10:28:43 AM

^^nice

5/2/2007 11:08:27 AM

Jessie Daniels and Sylvan Young were the two guys I never heard mentioned alot in predraft. I thought Daniels might of still been in school, he is good one make no mistake about it. Does anyone know where Young went?

5/2/2007 12:37:03 PM

Quote :

"Smith agreed to a three-year contract extension with the Carolina Panthers that will keep him with the team through the 2012 season. His agent, Derrick Fox, said he wasn't authorized to release exact figures, but said the Los Angeles native will be among the five highest-paid receivers in the NFL. "

-ESPN.com

Quote :

"Carolina can turn its attention to re-signing other players. At the top of its list are defensive end Julius Peppers and offensive tackle Jordan Gross. Each is a standout young performer, but whereas Peppers has two years remaining on his contract, Gross has only one."

-FOX Sports

5/9/2007 11:01:00 AM

I don't know about making Gross a priority......never really stood out as a dominant player, but in his defense, he has been shifted around alot.

5/9/2007 11:09:13 AM

Gross is not a Pro Bowler, but he's the best that we have, so that's why we're trying to keep him, plus he's still young.

5/9/2007 11:48:00 AM

once we pick a spot for him gross will excel

maye not a pro bowler, but solid

5/9/2007 8:18:38 PM

Quote :

"I don't know about making Gross a priority......never really stood out as a dominant player"

In all honesty, do any offensive lineman ever earn the title "dominant"? I've watched a lot of football, and never once have I thought "oh shit, these guys have ____ (high-caliber OL). We're fucked!"

I think solid, smart, and consistent is about the best compliment I could ever give an offensive lineman, and Gross is certainly all of those things.

5/9/2007 11:40:19 PM

^2 year ago, Seattle's entire left-side of the ball. Most teams thought exactly that. "Oh shit, we have to slide a ton of protection to the left side."

5/10/2007 12:40:53 AM

Yeah, I can see how a whole offensive line unit can create problems for a defense (seattle last year, panthers in 03) but one single player?

I've always thought effectiveness of the offensive line depends more on the team's scheme and the team's skill players, then sheer offensive line talent. It's nice in theory to have a LT you can just put out there on an island ... but can any one person consistently block the leagues elite ends? Doubt it. And a guard can throw the best drive block in the world, but if the back doesn't see the hole, or if one of the other lineman fuck up, what good is it?

5/10/2007 1:47:00 AM

there are several teams that have dominant tackles and overwhelmingly run to that side.....a dominant tackle (especially blind side) can "hide" alot of overall line weakness. There are always a few tackles taken in the First round of the draft (compared to guards or centers), so they must be pretty important.

I just notice gross getting beat/getting penalties alot, maybe its just me. Don't get me wrong, I know he is a good player, but I'm not sure if he is one to make a "priority".

[Edited on May 10, 2007 at 10:14 AM. Reason : .]

5/10/2007 10:13:14 AM

Regardless if Gross is a probowler or not, he is a good enough O lineman to warrant resigning. Remember last year, ppl? We would have killed to have one more healthy O lineman when injuries popped up. Whos to say our current crop of O linemen isnt injury prone like Dan Morgan? It could be argued that we would have easily made the playoffs last year if we werent so thin at OL (they wore down at the end of so many games).

We should sign the guy because it helps make sure we can field a solid OL this year. Wouldnt it suck if we had massive OL injuries and flush yet another season down the tubes for the same reason as last year?

5/10/2007 1:29:00 PM

I don't doubt we should resign him......i'm just concerned that making him a "priority" means overpaying, and sacrificing other moves to improve the team.

5/10/2007 2:20:46 PM

Clark Judge's top 5 offseason teams panthers #4:

Quote :

"A year ago the Panthers were a trendy Super Bowl pick and they not only didn't make it, they didn't make it to the playoffs for the second time in three seasons. Something has to be done, and something has been. Maybe John Fox's Panthers will earn the Super Bowl hype this year. (Getty Images) First, the Panthers picked up quarterback David Carr -- a shrewd insurance policy against a Jake Delhomme flop. There is nothing wrong with Delhomme that a good offensive line can't correct, only the Panthers didn't have a good offensive line a year ago. They had a crippled one. Nevertheless, Carolina will take no chances. If Delhomme flounders, the Panthers have talent sitting behind him. I don't know how good Carr is because he spent the last five seasons acting more like a piñata than a quarterback. What I do know is I'd like to find out, and Carolina will. But this is why I like this team to bounce back: the 2007 draft. The Panthers had direct hits in nearly every round, picking up the best outside linebacker (Jon Beason) in the first and the best center (Ryan Kalil) in the second. In between, they found wide receiver Dwayne Jarrett, who looks like a younger, better version of Keyshawn Johnson. Two others I like are defensive end Charles Johnson, a steal in the third round, and Penn State's Tim Shaw -- a versatile linebacker who becomes a special teams contributor immediately. And let's not forget the return boost they should get from Miami of Ohio's Ryne Robinson. I know there's a hole at safety, but trust me, coach John Fox will find a way to cover that position. The Panthers suffered last season because they lacked depth in key areas and because they never found a way to stem second-half meltdowns. Well, now they have the depth."

not sure that I totally agree, but i guess it's good others are thinking that


http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10172491

5/10/2007 4:06:12 PM

Quote :

"Trying to gauge Gross' value Received a very thought-provoking e-mail the other day. "What is Jordan Gross worth?’’ the e-mailer asked. That’s a great question and one the Panthers have to be asking themselves. With Steve Smith just signed to a three-year contract extension, the focus turns to extensions for Gross and defensive end Julius Peppers. Any deal for Peppers is going to involve ridiculous numbers because he’s a ridiculous talent. But it’s much harder to get a gauge on Gross’ value. Offensive tackles such as Jonathan Ogden and Walter Jones average more than $7 million a year. The players in the next tier of tackles average more than $6 million a year. Does Gross belong in the upper-echelon? That’s what the Panthers have to decide and an argument can be made both ways. On one hand, Gross is a solid player, the only lineman in franchise history who was drafted early and has panned out. He’s been durable and versatile, playing left and right tackle. When he’s played on the right side, his level of play has been close to the Pro Bowl level. On the other hand, Gross never has made the Pro Bowl. He’s relatively young, but he’s not going to get much better. Is he worth $7 million a year or do the Panthers turn him into the next Will Witherspoon and let him walk after the 2007 season? Owner Jerry Richardson has said the Panthers want to keep Gross and said he believes the team can make it happen, while also keeping Smith and Peppers. But maybe this is a decision the Panthers don’t need to rush into because there could be a lot of other factors. Left tackle Travelle Wharton is also scheduled to be a free agent after this season, and the jury’s still out on him. Rashad Butler didn’t play as a rookie last year, but the Panthers believe he has potential. Jeremy Bridges, who started at right tackle much of last year and might move to guard this year, also can be part of the future plans. The Panthers have a good idea of Gross’ capabilities, but his real worth might not be fully determined until they figure out what Wharton, Butler and Bridges are worth "

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/

This is almost exaclty what I was saying earlier.

5/11/2007 10:45:23 AM