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4/19/2007 8:12:35 PM

The media play this story because people are interested in it.

It may encourage people to go nuts, but don't see how you could stop it.

4/19/2007 8:45:11 PM

This is the same fucking idiots who stop and gawk at accidents. That then get in MORE accidents, thereby making the situation worse than it was in the first place.

All that needed be said is who the guy is and then spend the media time about the people who got killed, NOT the killer. I can guarantee that if this shit stayed out of the news, there would be far fewer of these kinds of incidents.

4/19/2007 9:24:21 PM

^you can gurantee it?

i think what everyone did was right...don't watch it if it pisses you off, complain, and the media will quit doing it

nbc did feel stupid for showing that stuff, make their ratings suffer and they'll listen

4/19/2007 10:16:45 PM

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4/19/2007 10:51:01 PM

We have seen it all before, and we will see it again. The horror, the weeping, the praying over young lives destroyed.

But no one seems to be asking the hard questions: How come a self-defined Christian country can allow and even demand that firearms and weapons of mass destruction be available? How come the very evening of the Virginia Tech massacre practically all you could find on TV were shows of murder and mayhem for entertainment? How come this country can pay homage to victims of murder by asking the state to murder the murderers?

It's time to stop crying and to ask ourselves what world we are showing our children, our little ones, who sit and watch it all from the time they are born to the time they are placed in harm's way at home and abroad.

That is what we should offer the victims of crime, not tears and prayers after the fact.

4/19/2007 11:07:38 PM

^^^This is a case of people being too stupid to do something for themselves.

Like I said, this is comparable to the people who stare at traffic accidents. All it does is create more danger. What good does it do to listen to the rambling insanity of a dead person? Other than let other rambling insane people know they can get their own message heard by doing the same thing?

This is NOT an instance where "if you don't like it, don't watch it" does anyone any good.

^
Oh Jesus, here we go with another Jack Thompson.

Let me answer these "hard questions" for you.

"How come a self-defined Christian country"
1) This is NOT a Christian country. This is a secular country. You may WANT it to be Christian governed, but it isn't and I pray every night that it remains that way.
"allow and even demand that firearms and weapons of mass destruction be available?"
2) Because we have a (contested) constitutional right to do so. And you obviously don't have any clue what you are talking about "weapons of mass desctruction". He was carrying two of the smallest caliber hand-guns available, with regular clips. He just happened to be TRAINED to use them. If he had two swords instead, he still would have killed scores of people.
"How come the very evening of the Virginia Tech massacre practically all you could find on TV were shows of murder and mayhem for entertainment?"
3) Funny, I looked. Monday, about 20% of the airtime was news, 25% sports, 20% movies rated PG-13 or below, another 15% special interest (home & garden, history, DIY, et al) and only about 20% was violent murder and mayhem for entertainment as you claim it. Maybe YOU need to take a look at the shows YOU watch more.
"How come this country can pay homage to victims of murder by asking the state to murder the murderers?"
4) Eye for an eye. It's called the justice system. Happens that ours and almost every other one in the world is based on the one the Romans started oh, a few thousand years ago. And "murder" means to kill unlawfully and with malice. You execute a murderer, you don't murder them.
"It's time to stop crying and to ask ourselves what world we are showing our children, our little ones, who sit and watch it all from the time they are born to the time they are placed in harm's way at home and abroad."
5) I agree it's time for parents to start being parents. But to even insinuate that this kid was violent because he watched it on television, is utter ignorance. He was mentally ill.

[Edited on April 19, 2007 at 11:24 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2007 11:08:39 PM

http://www.bloggingstocks.com/2007/04/19/will-nbc-play-the-virginia-tech-card/

It's all about the ratings, yo.

4/19/2007 11:40:11 PM

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"TOTAL NUMBER is a very bad way to use statistics.."

uh, what I posted was per 100,000 people if you bothered to check the link.

4/20/2007 8:27:21 AM

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"How come a self-defined Christian country can allow and even demand that firearms and weapons of mass destruction be available? "

So many levels of failure in this post.

4/20/2007 9:35:34 AM

^ ha, you should see her profile:

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"Favorite Quote : - i wonder how many post the wolf web would have if you could not be anonymous, it's amazing how many people would not stand up for what they 'believe in' -"

4/20/2007 10:16:14 AM

Oh and for the record I'm not anonymous either. Anyone can easily and freely find me.

4/20/2007 10:24:08 AM

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"- i wonder how many post the wolf web would have if you could not be anonymous, it's amazing how many people would not stand up for what they 'believe in' -"

^As opposed to her, who lambasts all the anonymous TWW members while doing the very damn same thing she is against. OH wow your name is Amy that really narrows it down and takes away your anonymity doesn't it, because there is definitely only one Amy at NCSU.

[Edited on April 20, 2007 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ]

4/20/2007 11:33:50 AM

maybe she wants to take away secret ballots for elections too

4/20/2007 12:15:08 PM

did this kid practice on shooting ranges or what?

I don't see how some random guy can be good enough at shooting to kill 32 people with semi automatic handguns, I've never used a handgun before and I'd imagine I'd have no sense at all of where the bullet would hit when I pulled the trigger

4/21/2007 7:31:20 PM

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"- i wonder how many post the wolf web would have if you could not be anonymous, it's amazing how many people would not stand up for what they 'believe in' -"

Everythign ive said here is what i would and/or do say in person to anyone who wants to know.

And my name is Rob and I'll be at the Blue Moon Tavern tonight in Seattle if anyone wants to find me and kick my ass for it.

I look like my photos, so youll recognize me.

sorry if i dont put my full name and address on teh intarnets. i guess im not /that/ bold.

4/21/2007 8:33:59 PM

i love tdub anonymity because then i can be a shithead

just the internets people

no reason to be serious

4/21/2007 9:28:48 PM

jerks on the internet are jerks in real life...

4/21/2007 9:53:53 PM

^^^^ Close range with a hand gun is not that tough, its as simple as point and pull the trigger. Think about how big a classroom is, the longest maybe he shot was 10 yards.

4/21/2007 10:11:37 PM

ive heard that some video games offer good close range handgun training

4/21/2007 10:54:05 PM

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"Close range with a hand gun is not that tough, its as simple as point and pull the trigger. Think about how big a classroom is, the longest maybe he shot was 10 yards."

I've been to a firing range and see new shooters easily miss targets at 10 yards. To actually drop that many people with 9mm and .22 rounds and keep them on the floor long enough to constantly reload your handguns and finish them off takes a lot of skill.

My coworker, a former special forces guy during the Vietnam War, agreed with this as well. One of the first comments he made about it was how amazing it was for someone to achieve that with the firearms he had.

No, Mr. Cho had to have practiced somewhere to pull this stunt off.

4/21/2007 11:08:12 PM

^ virtual cop

4/21/2007 11:10:43 PM

^^ im pretty untrained with handguns myself. i dont think i could pull such an act off. i dont think i could be calm and coordinated enough.

... but then again maybe i could ... he had the element of complete surprise, combined with the fact that these students had zero preparation or even had vaguely considered what to do in case of such an event.

not that I'm blaming the students. I'm not. I probably would have died just like the rest had I been there. Our society teaches us that in the face of crisis, to crawl under a desk and hold a book over our heads, and that the authorities will be along soon to tell us when everything is okay to come out.

so i guess it probably was not much different than walking into a field full of sheep and shooting them one by one.

4/22/2007 2:39:36 AM

I think i could pretty much hit a target 5ft away, and probably most of his were point blank....he just aimed and fired, hard to miss from less than 5ft away....and according to the medical examiner, he shot most of them 3+ times...it wasnt like one and done.

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 11:01 AM. Reason : w]

4/22/2007 11:00:50 AM

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"jerks on the internet are jerks in real life... "

lol

your posts amuse me

4/22/2007 11:30:40 AM

^^ The skill really comes in with the transitions: between weapons and magazines. To put that many rounds down in a relatively confined space without being overrun during the transitions takes practice and skill.

4/22/2007 11:43:23 AM

no it dont, those students were scared shitless, they probably were frozen stiff out of fear, he could of done anything to them. I read that most of them just were laying there in front of him, all he did was walk up and shoot them four or five times. It isnt that hard to reload a gun when everyone around you is either dead or so shocked/scared they are powerless to do anything. Even if he had a hard time, nobody was going to do anything to stop him.

It isnt like he had the gun for 6 months, he bought one 30 days before the other....oh, he could of been trained by video games...

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 12:01 PM. Reason : w]

4/22/2007 11:59:56 AM

I certainly understand the idea of being frozen from fear and im sure that it had a LOT to do with how the students reacted. It would still be difficult to execute what he did with little to no practice or training.

And just because he bought the gun 30 days ago doesnt mean that he hadn't trained with weapons. Gun ownership is not necessarily a prerequisite for firearms training.

4/22/2007 12:06:44 PM

he wasnt planning on shooting anything more than 5ft away...and if you shoot a human 3+ times the likelyhood of death occuring is high. He didnt need to be trained to shoot something at point blank or close to it.

[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 12:23 PM. Reason : w]

4/22/2007 12:22:36 PM

The video games crap does not give you good trainning. There is a difference in shooting a real gun and a video game gun. There is no recoil in a video game gun. I can play madden football all day but I can't throw a pass 50 plus yards or run a 4.3 40. You can learn how to aim but honestly its harder than you think to shoot a pistol and hit people in the head with a shot even at 10 yards. What he did probably required him to have shot the guns before and had some practice.

4/22/2007 1:26:16 PM

you know, he could have easily gone to any indoor firing range (perhaps where he bought the guns?) and burned through a few clips of ammo just to get the hang of it.

the guy was driven by insane hatred and (apparently) all the kids just layed down on the floors and offered no resistance.

like the good little sheep our society has trained us to be.

and Im not faulting them. I cant say i wouldnt have done the same thing, and be just as dead.




EDIT: it also happened so fast, how could students have time to react in a densely packed classroom. by the time people realized what was actually happening (that it wasnt construction noise), he's popping into the room with two full handguns. ... And they're halfway across the room surrounded by desks, and have absolutely no way to reach him.



[Edited on April 22, 2007 at 1:36 PM. Reason : ]

4/22/2007 1:31:08 PM

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"Cho was not especially accurate with his shots, Massello said, but hit many of the victims several times. His shots caused more than 100 wounds."

http://www.wral.com/news/national_world/national/story/1284587/

4/22/2007 5:04:58 PM

this thread is so chocked full of ridiculous bullshit. i started to respond, but i eventually just said "fuck it", it'll take an hour, and these fucking morons will be just as stupid and ignorant as they were before I wasted all my time on them.

4/22/2007 8:05:29 PM

i'll listen to you duke.

but then again, i didnt read any of the first 6 pages.

4/22/2007 10:42:17 PM

Also looking at the pictures sent to NBC he was using hollow point rounds, those don't have to be terribly accurate at close range to cause massive trauma to the body. I am assuming he has practiced some.

4/22/2007 10:52:56 PM

Has anyone else heard about this guy in California that authorities are looking for who made a threat to his parents and his preacher that he was going to make VT shooting look small? My Mom said she saw this on the TV last night...I think on Nancy Grace (CNN) but I haven't heard anything about this...anyone know anything?

4/22/2007 11:57:45 PM

nancy grace is a good source for well reasoned news and opinion.

4/23/2007 1:11:38 AM

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"The video games crap does not give you good trainning. There is a difference in shooting a real gun and a video game gun. There is no recoil in a video game gun. I can play madden football all day but I can't throw a pass 50 plus yards or run a 4.3 40. You can learn how to aim but honestly its harder than you think to shoot a pistol and hit people in the head with a shot even at 10 yards. What he did probably required him to have shot the guns before and had some practice."

That's for sure, I'm a dead on shot playing Time Crisis 2 or any of the target practice mini-games with a guncon on PS2, but that does not translate at all into the time I have spent target practicing with real handguns. I mean just the weight difference, recoil, trigger pull weight, and common errors like anticipating the recoil can all throw off your shot, whereas none of them play any factor in games. Even aiming might not be right, because with a guncon game, you calibrate the aim, so you might not even have the proper sight picture with the light gun and still could set it for dead on shots.

4/23/2007 3:17:33 PM

video games might improve hand-eye coordination, but they would in no way train you to shoot a gun. that is ridiculous.

4/23/2007 3:55:36 PM

Bitch please, did you ever play Duck Hunt?

4/23/2007 3:57:58 PM

yes.

have you ever fired a real gun?

4/23/2007 4:53:40 PM

oh its so hard

just point and shoot

shooting a pistol is a very simple thing to do that has the perception of being difficult

Unless you have Downs syndrome or Parkinson's, most people who have never shot a gun before could hit people with very good accuracy at the distance the guy was shooting people

just point and fucking shoot, it really is that simple

4/23/2007 6:16:46 PM

He also switched a whole bunch of magazines, supposedly very quickly.

If he didn't train, he must have had some sort of natural affinity for guns.

4/23/2007 7:50:28 PM

If any of us wanted to, we could walk into a classroom firing and rack up an impressive body count

Just like Columbine and Jonesboro, this kid wasnt trained to kill

He just had the element of surprise and lots of bullets

4/23/2007 7:59:00 PM

^nelson 3400

one main entrance basically...chain up those doors and go in with an ak 47...some of those classes have like 200 students easy...SO THIS IS DNL HOPING SOMEONE FROM CAMPUS MIGHT READ THIS- SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE SO SOME DICKBAG DOESNT GO IN THERE AND FUCKING KILL A BUNCH OF PEOPLE

4/23/2007 8:11:52 PM

I trust results more than theory.

Plenty of other folks have gone on killing sprees, but very few killed as many as Cho.

Judging by the record, killing 32 people isn't something just anyone can do.

4/23/2007 8:34:34 PM

If I wanted to I could kill a lot more than 32

True, you'd think somewhere between the first murder and the 32nd, someone would charge him or otherwise fuck up his rhythm

But unimpeded and with shots of less than 30 feet to people's chests and heads, its just like whack-a-mole until you run out of bullets

4/23/2007 8:38:17 PM

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"If I wanted to I could kill a lot more than 32"

If I wanted to, I could spend every waking minute doing something productive.

Theoretically possible, but it's not going to happen.

4/23/2007 10:22:23 PM

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"nancy grace is a good source for well reasoned news and opinion."

I understand that Nancy Grace has extreme opinions and views, etc... and by no means was I saying that she is credible but apparently the manhunt was on the tickers I was just wondering if anyone else had heard anything about it since that point! Like have they caught the guy, etc...

4/23/2007 10:26:10 PM

i think the Dabney big classroom would be the easiest, cause you're just lined up there straight to the top, no easy exits...i used to worry about that in chem

4/23/2007 10:53:56 PM