^ The Dogfaced Gremlin was Rick, not Scott.

Interestingly enough, though, since Scott couldn't wrestle at Slammiversary, Rick got Animal to be his partner.

6/27/2007 5:21:11 PM

oh yeah for some reason i was thinking Scott was dead and thought that story was about Rick

6/27/2007 5:24:51 PM

New info from Wrestling Observer:

Quote :

"X: Chris Benoit’s personal physician met with him the day of the murder, according to an Associated Press report. Dr. Phil Astin also said he prescribed testosterone to Benoit because of a low count being produced by his body. Astin said that condition likely stemmed from previous steroid use. Here is the link: http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfullstory.asp?ID=94290 X: There are other details soon to surface nationally about the murder/suicide that include details about Nancy Benoit spoke with Astin the day before her murder to try and gain information about treating her son Daniel. WWE attorney Jerry McDevitt told me the promotion has information stating Daniel was suffering from Fragile X, which is an inherited mental impairment that causes autistic-like symptoms [more information about the disease can be found at FragileX.org]. McDevitt said it’s believed that Nancy Benoit was struggling trying to cope with Daniel and that neck surgery she had undergone wasn’t make the situation any easier for her and Chris. One question that can be posed is this: If Chris Benoit killed his wife in a fit of rage stemming from a confrontation about Daniel, did he later kill his son because of concerns about who would take care of a needs child while he was in prison? While this doesn’t make Benoit’s actions any more justifiable, the scenario may shed some light on why Chris Benoit killed his son before taking his own life. http://www.wmgt.com/node/3257 "

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 5:44 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2007 5:42:00 PM

Quote :

"As I said in the Sports Talk thread, this is the wrestling equivalent of someone like Brett Favre committing these acts...it's out of left field, because he was professional and respectable above all else. No matter how awful the situation is, it's going to be more perplexing than anything to the people who cared about Benoit."

wtf man

there is a difference between pain killers and steroids.

of all the people in the NFL to pick? Favre? Are you fucking kidding me?

6/27/2007 8:49:43 PM

had he killed his son before he called out for family reasons(something about spitting up blood)

6/27/2007 8:50:49 PM

^^totally missed the point

he's saying you wouldn't expect someone of Brett Favre's character to murder his wife and children and then commit suicide

6/27/2007 9:23:31 PM

^^^ Favre isn't a guy who is respected and admired by everyone in football? That's the point of the comparison.

^ Thank you.

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 9:23 PM. Reason : 3]

6/27/2007 9:23:38 PM

I think most people would consider someone on steroids who has had a history of marital problems at higher risk for this type of outburst than someone who just happens to be famous.

6/27/2007 10:22:32 PM

how about a history of marital problems and pain killer addiction?

6/27/2007 10:25:40 PM

^^ are you really that dense? AS FAR AS THE WRESTLING COMMUNITY IS CONCERNED, BENOIT WAS A PROFESSIONAL AND STAND UP GUY.....WHICH IS A SEPARATE ENTITY FROM HIS PERSONAL LIFE. this is comparable to someone like brett favre in the nfl. holy shit


and newsflash, just about every wrestler is on steroids

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2007 10:26:31 PM

distinct difference

Quote :

"and newsflash, just about every wrestler is on steroids"

Furthering my point that your stupid comparisons are unjustified and retarded



[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 10:27 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2007 10:26:51 PM

if you don't know shit about wrestling, you obviously don't understand the point

or maybe you do, and just choose to be ignorant...or an asshole

6/27/2007 10:32:19 PM

its hard to seperate personal life from it when

A) he married his wife through wrestling
B) As you said yourself, " just about every wrestler is on steroids"

is my point.

6/27/2007 10:36:15 PM

Every football and baseball player was on steroids too at one time, it's just fans looked the other way cause they'd rather their team win with roided players than lose with clean players, and if you don't believe that you're a damn fool. Bud Selig pretty much encouraged it in his sport. Selig is no better than McMahon in my eyes. At least McMahon looks in the mirror and realizes he's a scumbug. Selig's moronic enough to think he did nothing wrong.

For anyone interested, this is a good Ring of Honor match: http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/roh/video/xl7re_roh-lance-storm-vs-american-dragon

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 11:52 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2007 11:32:05 PM

^^what are you babbling about? you never had a point until you totally missed the first point and got called out. stop trying to save face. whatever "point" you're now trying to make is worthless.

move along

[Edited on June 27, 2007 at 11:35 PM. Reason : .]

6/27/2007 11:35:08 PM

Favre is a terrible comparison. A better comparison would be someone like Ray Lewis who everyone in the NFL seems to like and respect, whose personal life no one knows about, but every so often there's a little blip on the radar that goes: "Hey, he might kill some people at some point".

Favre is an exceedingly public figure, whose always been pretty upfront with what issues he's had. They're really nothing at all alike except for the fact that they're respected.

6/28/2007 12:46:26 AM

DURRR DURR DUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRRRR


THAT'S THE POINT. THEY'RE BOTH RESPECTED BY THE PUBLIC AND THEIR PEERS. THAT'S IT. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT

6/28/2007 12:49:38 AM

3 minutes...impressive

6/28/2007 12:52:42 AM

Quote :

"THAT'S THE POINT. THEY'RE BOTH RESPECTED BY THE PUBLIC AND THEIR PEERS. THAT'S IT. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT"

Yeah, and it's a dumb point and a dumb comparison. Next thing you know someone is going to come in and start talking about Tim Duncan because he's well respected to. Actually Duncan would be a far better comparison than Favre, because no one knows anything about him off the court.

Benoit was a guy who wrestled for a living, did steroids, and had been accused of spousal abuse in the past. Is it absolutely mind-blowing that a combination of these three things could come to a head and leave people dead? No, not really. People are only shocked because they thought they knew him.

[Edited on June 28, 2007 at 1:07 AM. Reason : .]

6/28/2007 1:06:02 AM

the amount of stupid on this last page is mind boggling really ... lets just go ahead and forget it existed for the parties involved and move back to the topic

6/28/2007 1:07:58 AM

^^apparently, it is.

look, i dont even watch wrestling. but i respect vinylbandit as a poster and so i take his comparison for what it's worth because i'm not obstinate enough to purposefully miss his point.



[Edited on June 28, 2007 at 1:11 AM. Reason : .]

6/28/2007 1:10:15 AM

Quote :

"Actually Duncan would be a far better comparison than Favre, because no one knows anything about him off the court"

i know he's a stoner

6/28/2007 1:12:07 AM

lol. you hook him up wit dat dank dank?

6/28/2007 1:22:29 AM

a lot of stoners go into uncontrollable substance induced rages.

6/28/2007 1:22:35 AM

^^nah ^im talkin about duncan, but i think most of the nba smokes chron...duncan is certainly more mellow than most wrestlers

6/28/2007 1:25:58 AM

Quote :

"THAT'S THE POINT. THEY'RE BOTH RESPECTED BY THE PUBLIC AND THEIR PEERS. THAT'S IT. THAT WAS THE WHOLE POINT"

seriously, kids, vinylbandit wasn't trying to start some sort of huge debate about the appropriateness of Favre's personal life in this comparison, just trying to say that it'd be an equally big shock if you were a football fan and a seemingly well-mannered and professional player murdered his family and then shot himself

and while you guys saying "oh I'm so not surprised" because of steriods/his kid/his wife IS INDEED AN AMAZING FEAT OF 20/20 HINDSIGHT, he was just trying to say that if you watched wrestling and respected him as a professional wrestler (much like you'd respect Brett Favre as a quarterback in a similar fashion), then you'd be shocked too

maybe you're all sucking on Favre's cock a little too much to want associate him with a murderer, but that wasn't the intention of the comparison in the first place: the comparison was about his professionalism and the respect he got in his sport

plz 2 everyone chill the fuck out

6/28/2007 2:02:02 AM

yeah still furshia...chill out

6/28/2007 2:03:22 AM

I'm chill, yo

people are taking the comparison too seriously

6/28/2007 2:04:28 AM

i just wanted to talk to u its all good

6/28/2007 2:05:11 AM

Brett Favre is afraid of ice cream and has no friends

I wouldn't be surprised if he killed his family he's a damn nut

6/28/2007 2:19:55 AM

http://chrisbenoitsuicide.ytmnd.com/

6/28/2007 7:21:28 AM

i was so hoping that would be funny

it wasn't

6/28/2007 8:29:02 AM

Quote :

"Benoit was a guy who wrestled for a living, did steroids, and had been accused of spousal abuse in the past. Is it absolutely mind-blowing that a combination of these three things could come to a head and leave people dead? No, not really. People are only shocked because they thought they knew him. "

Quote :

"and while you guys saying "oh I'm so not surprised" because of steriods/his kid/his wife IS INDEED AN AMAZING FEAT OF 20/20 HINDSIGHT"

Who said they were not surprised? I am curious. Are you reading skills as strong as your arguements? It would stand to reason.

[Edited on June 28, 2007 at 8:39 AM. Reason : people actually watch wrestling?]

6/28/2007 8:35:23 AM

This topic has turned into a bunch of petty arguing. I'm starting to think some of you douche bags are suffering from roid rage.

6/28/2007 9:54:40 AM

yeah for real, don't go killing your wife and kids over it

6/28/2007 10:01:48 AM

Why didn't they tag out?

6/28/2007 10:14:29 AM

haha i guess they couldn't reach the rope to break the submission hold.

6/28/2007 10:33:59 AM

^^ honestly ... i laughed

6/28/2007 10:35:43 AM

I cant believe this shit.... I'm in Italy and I thought "ill go online and check and see if any wrestlers have died while Im away" SURE enough, I read about all of this shit.... damnit. Im glad I have RAW on my DVR to watch when I get home too.. that should be interesting to watch.

6/28/2007 10:46:46 AM

i honestly think he killed his son out of pity

he killed his wife first, probably in a fit of roid rage over an arguement

sat around and thought about it

since the son is mentally retarded he probably thought he would be burndening someone with him and since he had the disability he wouldnt live (this is murky ground) but that he would live that great of a life

Beniot probably killed him out of pity and mercy, wrongfully either way

then he offed himself

after thinking about it a long while, that my conclusion

6/28/2007 11:06:40 AM

in these situations they typically go with the "thought his family would be better off in heaven" approach...

Since we're all about speculating, here's mine.

Chris Benoit, a shorter (not short, but in the wrestling world short by comparison) man who compensated for it by building his physique to the breaking point (his skin looked shrink wrapped on him, if his muscles had gotten any bigger i swear his skin would have popped) has a son who will be small his whole life, and won't be able to build muscle to compensate for it.

I suppose I'm making an attempt to get into his head, but for someone with a probably history of violence, steroid use (possibly abuse), and is under a very large amount of stress in general I can see him just, breaking.

He bound his wife (she had been in wrestling before, and possibly could have defended herself against him, although I don't think she ever was a wrestler she'd spent enough time around them) and strangled her (from behind, from what I hear, i suppose this way he couldn't see her face). And then suffocated his son using a wrestling hold, also from behind. His son who could never be what Benoit really wanted, and in Benoit's mind wouldn't be able to live a full life due to his size and autism.

He then proceeded to leave bibles next to them, indicating that he was possibly praying over their bodies, or trying to make a point about them getting into Heaven.

And he then killed himself in the same way in which he killed his wife and son, asphyxiation. Either for grief, fear of prison, or a possible belief that since he would have enough time to ask forgiveness for his sins while he was hanging that perhaps it would be a loophole that would allow him to join his family in Heaven.

[/speculation]

[Edited on June 28, 2007 at 11:32 AM. Reason : .]

6/28/2007 11:31:39 AM

i'm blaming Scientology, personally

6/28/2007 11:35:07 AM

Quote :

"Who said they were not surprised? I am curious. Are you reading skills as strong as your arguements? It would stand to reason."

You said:

Quote :

"Benoit was a guy who wrestled for a living, did steroids, and had been accused of spousal abuse in the past. Is it absolutely mind-blowing that a combination of these three things could come to a head and leave people dead? No, not really."

THAT MEANS YOU WEREN'T SO SURPRISED HE KILLED THEM BECAUSE OF THOSE THINGS, YOU DIMWIT

you were absolutely stupid to jump on such a comparison that didn't mean what you thought it did, stop trying to nitpick to redeem yourself

[Edited on June 28, 2007 at 12:21 PM. Reason : .]

6/28/2007 12:08:28 PM

The replies to Quinn and Stein pretty much highlight why wrestling fans are surprised when roid raging meatheads go nuts.

6/28/2007 12:32:10 PM

and now Vinnie Mac comes out to thoroughly vilify Benoit (not that it's hard, i mean, shit, he killed his wife and son)...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19474972/

I know what he's thinking, he wants to distance the product as far from Benoit as possible, but honestly I wish he'd just keep his mouth shut, admit that the tribute was premature, and be done with it

6/28/2007 12:44:04 PM

is he wrong ?

6/28/2007 12:50:00 PM

Joanie "Chyna Doll" Laurer is on Jim Rome's show right now talking about the whole wrestling experience and the Benoit tragedy.

6/28/2007 1:23:36 PM

the way she talks makes me sick

6/28/2007 1:27:50 PM

wow, this interview sucks

every 15 seconds, "am I making sense?"

6/28/2007 1:45:32 PM

Quote :

"Ray "The Big Boss Man" Traylor — Found dead of a heart attack in 2004 at age 42."

BIG SURPRISE, dude was probably over 400 lbs and it was mostly his gut

6/28/2007 1:47:07 PM