Thing is, they don't look smart. Neither party was wrong in the matter. It was a geographic terminology difference - same situation as to what "barbeque" refers to. Nothing more. Oh and MI are in your "midwest."

12/2/2007 11:18:53 PM

to well what?

HAR HAR LOOKA PAW, I'M SMART AGAIN!




[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:20 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2007 11:18:54 PM

ANYWAYS, I have no clue where Michigan looks next. I don't think they can hire on the inside. No one is qualified enough yet.

12/2/2007 11:20:03 PM

dude from cincy

12/2/2007 11:20:50 PM

No, they don't.

People's perceptions of national sports are extremely skewed in the south. Everyone here is very collegecentric (for lack of a better term) do to the lack of pro sports teams in general. Clearly, the SEC and ACC are going to be huge when there were never NFL teams in the area until the very recent past. The NBA has never gained a foothold here because of college basketball's popularity. Now, examine the Northeast where college sports are almost totally irrelevant, or the midwest where, yes they love their Buckeyes and their Huskers but frankly the fans of those schools are dwarfed by the number of Bulls, Cardinals, Bears, Cubs, Browns, Indians, Lions, and Tigers fans.

College loyalties are largely based on either family allegiance due to alumni ties or regionality when no pro team is present. Even those people with no college background are divided (how many Wal-Mart UNC fans or trailer park Dukies do you see? Right, a lot, but now consider that most of them are either Panthers or Redskins fans and don't give a shit about those schools in football).

12/2/2007 11:20:54 PM

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12/2/2007 11:21:12 PM

Quote :

"Thing is, they don't look smart. Neither party was wrong in the matter. It was a geographic terminology difference - same situation as to what "barbeque" refers to. Nothing more. Oh and MI are in your "midwest.""

stop saying dumb stuff, and we'll get back to sports.




[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:22 PM. Reason : youtubez.]

12/2/2007 11:21:24 PM

Let it go. I'll sick the dawg on ya for making baseless personal attacks in a sports thread.

12/2/2007 11:22:28 PM

^^^^ some valid points, but still doesnt mean that people from the SE dont care about USC vs. Cal... or that someone in Washington State wouldnt have extreme interest in Florida vs. Georgia

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:23 PM. Reason : d]

12/2/2007 11:22:48 PM

I don't know where dude is from in Michigan, but I've never once heard someone from Michigan refer to it as the Northeast. Karim, care to comment?

12/2/2007 11:22:52 PM

if i were to say where mi and oh was, id say north or northeast, not midwest
technically, midwest would be the colorado area

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:24 PM. Reason : d]

12/2/2007 11:23:22 PM

Okay, now I know you guys are trolling.

12/2/2007 11:23:24 PM

if anything, you're trolling us.

12/2/2007 11:23:49 PM

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"there were never NFL teams in the area until the very recent past"

by recent past, i assume you mean the 1960s

when the falcons, dolphins, and saints joined the NFL

or maybe the 1970s

when the buccaneers joined

12/2/2007 11:24:00 PM

True, but by and large the masses just don't care about nationwide college football. Just check the ratings for say.... a Monday Night Football game featuring Atlanta vs. Detroit and a primetime matchup between Cal and USC. I can all but guarantee that the MNF game will draw more viewers.

12/2/2007 11:24:37 PM

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"technically, midwest would be the colorado area"

12/2/2007 11:24:47 PM

Barbeque is a noun referring to the object upon which you apply hear to ribs, burgers, or hotdogs.

That is correct. Any other regional definition is wrong.

12/2/2007 11:25:05 PM

Serious question: Do you consider Hawaii in the Southwest?

12/2/2007 11:25:20 PM

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"True, but by and large the masses just don't care about nationwide college football. Just check the ratings for say.... a Monday Night Football game featuring Atlanta vs. Detroit and a primetime matchup between Cal and USC. I can all but guarantee that the MNF game will draw more viewers."

well, no shit

so your point is that there are more college teams than pro teams, thus further dividing loyalties?

great point!

12/2/2007 11:26:00 PM

^^^^^ thats because there are SO many games to watch in college... When USC is playing you might also have Tenn vs. Bama, Florida vs. FSU, Texas vs. Oklahoma.


and just because the NFL has higher ratings doesnt mean that college football is regional, they arent connected

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:26 PM. Reason : d]

12/2/2007 11:26:16 PM

The pro team density is a valid point...

12/2/2007 11:26:35 PM

i would consider hawaii not part of the continental 48, and you couldnt geographically locate them in relation to the majority of the nation

12/2/2007 11:26:44 PM

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"a Monday Night Football game featuring Atlanta vs. Detroit and a primetime matchup between Cal and USC. I can all but guarantee that the MNF game will draw more viewers."

you have to consider that a primetime nfl game is the only game on that day. i might not watch cal/usc, but i'm sure as shit watching some college football (other than just state) on saturdays.

12/2/2007 11:26:57 PM

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"The NBA has never gained a foothold here because of college basketball's popularity. "

Technical point.

There are only two southern states that are really passionate about college basketball to the point that it even approaches college football: North Carolina and Kentucky.

The Atlanta Hawks' failure to get much interest for example has very little to deal with UGa's basketball team. It's just cause they suck.

12/2/2007 11:28:58 PM

exactly.


As I said, college bball is much MUCH more regional (until March)

12/2/2007 11:30:02 PM

hah, this thread is going in about 5 different directions

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:30 PM. Reason : d]

12/2/2007 11:30:03 PM

^ i mean, the two teams are decided. it's a free thread!

12/2/2007 11:30:36 PM

this is true

12/2/2007 11:31:30 PM

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"by recent past, i assume you mean the 1960s when the falcons, dolphins, and saints joined the NFL or maybe the 1970s when the buccaneers joined "

Actually, yes, since the NFL in it's current form did not exist until 1967. Hell, even then it was still a second class league until the early to mid 1970s and wasn't really the juggernaut it is today until the late 70s to mid 80s. By that time most SEC teams had a 50+ year history and there were still regions without any real ties to a pro team. It's nice that the Dolphis were down there in Miami, but no one outside of that city really cared until they started winning. Please don't try to tell me that the Saints or Falcons are really relevent outside of their own cities. The south is still, to this day, the place that the NFL has the weakest foothold. Why do you think they pushed Mike Vick so hard, or now Reggie Bush? It isn't based on achievement.

12/2/2007 11:32:25 PM

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"Please don't try to tell me that the Saints or Falcons are really relevent outside of their own cities"

no more so than the seahawks, chiefs, lions, bengals, broncos, chargers, rams, cardinals, etc.

you still aren't making any sense

12/2/2007 11:34:51 PM

let's just all agree that the nfl sucks and be on w/ it.

12/2/2007 11:35:38 PM

Is Matt Flynn goiing to be starting for LSU in the NC game? I guess I was out of the loop and don't recall what his injury is at all.

If he's starting I think its gonna be an LSU smackdown. If their 2nd string guy is starting I think it'll be close but with LSU still pulling it off.

12/2/2007 11:36:44 PM

i grew up in the suburbs of detroit and we all considered ourselves in the midwest

12/2/2007 11:37:21 PM

kanye also knows it's called the midwest.

12/2/2007 11:38:47 PM

The Midwest doesn't care about black people.

12/2/2007 11:39:47 PM

the midwest botches plastic surgeries

12/2/2007 11:40:18 PM

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""Please don't try to tell me that the Saints or Falcons are really relevent outside of their own cities" no more so than the seahawks, chiefs, lions, bengals, broncos, chargers, rams, cardinals, etc. you still aren't making any sense"

That point was really only germane to the argument I was making about the South being pretty much the only region of the country that was so "collegecentric." Because, if you want the truth, the Broncos have a huge following. Pretty much every person west of the Mississippi and East of Cali will list the Broncos as their favorite team. The Chiefs are huge in Missouri, the Rams are actually a pretty big deal in Missouri and Illinois. Cardinals and Lions... not so much, but only because they suck. Chargers... well, if it wasn't for the fact that the Raiders and Niners are two of the more successful teams in history they'd be a hell of a lot more popular. Still, you'll likely see more LT jerseys than Auburn hats if you made a cross country trip.

12/2/2007 11:42:11 PM

you'd probably see more UNC hats than LT jerseys though

12/2/2007 11:48:17 PM

Quite likely, but I would love to see you ask them how the UNC football team is doing.

College basketball has a much broader appeal than college football. This is largely due to the fact that the NBA has done a piss poor job promoting itself compared to the NFL.

Still, another counterpoint, I bet you see 5x more Yankees and BoSox hats than UNC hats.

12/2/2007 11:51:22 PM

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"College basketball has a much broader appeal than college football."

I COMPLETELY disagree

12/2/2007 11:51:55 PM

It doesn't. I didn't give a damn about college basketball until moving to NC (still sorta don't).

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:53 PM. Reason : words]

12/2/2007 11:53:11 PM

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"you'd probably see more UNC hats than LT jerseys though"

that's only b/c they make them in every color combination possible so people just buy them to wear as an 'outfit'.

12/2/2007 11:53:35 PM

Really? I find that surprising given the sheer numbers of it all. Over 300 "major" college basektball teams, only 119 "major" college football teams, 30+ regular season games (much of that schedule played with no real competition for air time), the biggest playoff extravaganza in sports, etc.

12/2/2007 11:54:13 PM

it's pretty obvious that everyone in this thread is arguing their position based entirely on personal experience

which means that everyone is right!

12/2/2007 11:56:44 PM

^^ All true. Can only offer my experience - NCAA bball champ is last page material up there.

^ Really?

[Edited on December 2, 2007 at 11:57 PM. Reason : ]

12/2/2007 11:57:04 PM

you guys can sure sidetrack a thread

[Edited on December 3, 2007 at 12:04 AM. Reason : ]

12/3/2007 12:03:46 AM

we've already established that this is a free thread. mnc game was already announced, no need to speculate.

12/3/2007 12:06:33 AM

Still, LSU by 20. Big Ten's top 3 teams will lose by a combined 60+ points.

12/3/2007 12:08:45 AM

I can guarantee ohio thtate loses by no more than 10 (if they lose). Illinois will indeed lose by 2-3 touchdowns.

12/3/2007 12:09:50 AM

You think Michigan can stay anywhere near Florida? I sure as hell don't.

12/3/2007 12:10:49 AM