Ozymandia's lynx was related to his genetic experimentation that produced the giant squid that didn't make it into the movie.

3/7/2009 7:44:26 PM

Rorschach worked in textiles for while and this woman ordered a black and white dress filled with a fluid that shifted given variances in temperature(I think). She didn't like the dress so he basically takes it and turns it into a mask....plus he's got a spare one.

3/7/2009 7:46:13 PM

really enjoyed the movie. Why is so hard for people to accept the premise that since veidt spent time and money researching/working with tacheons(sp?) to block the docs precognition. In the premise of the movie he could have even thought that since his type of power was going to be put into use for mankind that he would not see further in the future. In the book he was confused as to why he couldnt see in the future, which was because of the psychic energy of the squid.

I wish hollis's murder was included, as well as a little more of veidt's backstory which would have helped a lot imo. Rorschach and Nite owl where spot on.

3/7/2009 8:19:09 PM

G.O.D and I are going out shortly to see this

anyone want to come?

3/7/2009 8:53:15 PM

Bring someone who loves the blue wang.



A lot.

3/7/2009 9:12:54 PM

This movie is the primary reason that the majority of the male population now consists of cock-lookers.

3/7/2009 9:19:37 PM

at least we never saw him aroused

3/7/2009 9:32:39 PM

^ I guess the porn industry will fix that soon enough.

3/7/2009 11:05:43 PM

Quote :

"Rorschach worked in textiles for while and this woman ordered a black and white dress filled with a fluid that shifted given variances in temperature(I think). She didn't like the dress so he basically takes it and turns it into a mask....plus he's got a spare one."

IIRC, the fabric was made with Dr. Manhattan's cells or enhanced by him in some way so that the spots shift with body movement. Rorschach's emotions and facial expressions are supposed to be what triggers the spots to move on his face.

3/8/2009 12:14:59 AM

So he's always thinking of clouds and pretty flowers and such?

3/8/2009 1:25:54 AM

Quote :

"Don't judge a book by its coverMovie"

3/8/2009 1:39:25 AM

Quote :

"After leaving school, Kovacs took a job as an unskilled tailor. The prospect of handling women's clothing caused him discomfort, and he later commented that the job was "bearable but unpleasant". A few weeks before her murder in front of an apartment, Kitty Genovese ordered a dress from him, made of a fabric created by Doctor Manhattan that used two pressure and heat-sensitive liquids suspended between a layer of latex to create black-on-white shifting color patterns, "always changing, never mixing into grey". When the dress was completed, Genovese was unsatisfied with the design, and she refused to pay for it. Kovacs took it home for himself, fascinated with the fabric. Upon reading of Kitty's murder in the newspaper, he became disgusted with the amount of crime in New York City and, creating a mask from her dress, became the vigilante Rorschach."

3/8/2009 8:47:51 AM

Somebody reached up during the scene with Nixon in the war room and went HONK HONK.

3/8/2009 9:50:26 AM

Ozymandias has a giant cat with him because he has some personality traits similar to Sigfried and Roy.

3/8/2009 2:09:06 PM

Quote :

"For the first half of the movie, i was so pissed off at the music choices. But having "All Along the Watchtower" in there made me really happy because of the title of Chapter 10. Having that song stand alone would have been really strange, so i guess they felt they had to ease audiences into it."

I was told the titles from the soundtrack also quoted in the comic book.

3/8/2009 2:36:58 PM

Quote :

"And, hey, why did Dr. Manhattan decide to wear clothes at some points and none at other? ZOMG, huge plot hole. And like, the sky was blue during the day and black during the night! Dr. Manhattan could have changed that, so why didn't he? Holy crap, dude you pick on some really stupid stuff. "

moron

3/8/2009 3:33:51 PM

Thought the same thing when I read your questions. Small world.

3/8/2009 5:43:07 PM

saw it. felt a little long at parts but overall was a pretty good movie. and rorschach was the shit

3/8/2009 5:46:27 PM

hey, some of us dont accept mediocrity and hold things up to a higher standard, and some of us are fine with it.





[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 5:49 PM. Reason : d]

3/8/2009 5:46:38 PM

And some of us were born with Common Sense and can infer answers when given a wealth of information.

3/8/2009 6:06:13 PM

Common Sense


you were born with a pamphlet? sweet, good for you dude. And there is a difference between inferring something and being willing to overlook something.

3/8/2009 6:14:15 PM

GEEK OFF

3/8/2009 6:33:21 PM

The thing is that this film does have a wealth of information, but without having read the GN, it'd be very easy to overlook all the subtle details the film is conveying.

The film is great, but yeah, anyone who hasn't read the book is going to come away with a lot of questions.


And while I think films should generally stand on their own, it's kind of nice in this case that the film, in its "incompleteness," honors the GN as being the ideal form for this story.

3/8/2009 6:40:45 PM

^totally agree. If I had not read the graphic novel, I know for a fact that I would not have liked the movie as much asi did and I would've had many many questions

3/8/2009 6:59:24 PM

I can agree with that.

But the newspaper scene was DEFINITELY not the next day. All I'm saying.

[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 7:02 PM. Reason : d]

3/8/2009 7:01:32 PM

I went back and looked at the book and I suppose it's probably a week or two later. There's cleanup still being done, but the burger joint on the corner next to the paper is now called "Burgers 'n' Borscht."

3/8/2009 7:17:15 PM

yeah, in the movie at least it had to be MONTHS or years later. They wouldnt be talking about "theres nothing to write about" the VERY next day, thats not long enough to show that people have changed. And half the signs had Russian names, that would take a while, and the buildings look really far along... probably wont matter since there wont be a sequel (at least I dont see that happening), but it just bothers me that they got lazy. They could have easily had the journal roll under a desk or something, and then show the newspaper place being remodeled 5 years later and someone would be like "oh, hmmm, whats this book".

3/8/2009 7:22:35 PM

The other thing is that in the book, the journal isn't on the top of the stack of mail.

3/8/2009 7:24:27 PM

and I was trying to remember, the journal was dropped off just when they knew that Adrian was up to something, but not exactly what right? so it wouldnt reveal the whole plan without further digging right?

3/8/2009 7:27:14 PM

the journal is dropped off immediately before dan and rorschach go to antarctica, so they know it's ozy that's up to something, and after it happens it's obvious what that something is if the journal is filled with visits to manhattan, moloch, etc.

also, i saw someone complain about it being cheesy that the "two riders were approaching" line comes in as we see the shot of dan and rorschach heading towards ozy's fortress...but it's exactly like that in the book

3/8/2009 7:32:00 PM

so was the clock thing on Mars just some purely symbolic thing?

3/8/2009 7:34:12 PM

yes

jon is sick of earth and all the emotional shit that makes simple things more complicated than they need to be

he goes to mars where he can relax by himself

and builds himself a beautiful structure that relies on simple mechanical principles

3/8/2009 7:37:53 PM

maybe the book does a better job of explaining just how "god like" he is... but something like that almost seems "beneath" him

3/8/2009 7:40:15 PM

regarding the journal: in the book, the "crank file" (i think that's what they called it in the book and the movie) is just random, conspiracy-esque stuff. It wasn't that they never saw the book or paid attention to it, they just had better stuff to write about. In the book again, I think the kid may have actually read it before putting it in with the other stuff, or at least flipped through it (he may have even tried to show it to his boss. But he definitely knew it was there. I think that was the significance of the old guy telling him to "publish whatever you want" and then him looking at the journal.

So even if it was a year later, it's not really a plot hole or anything. They just didn't publish anything from the crank file until that point.

V yeah, they could have done a little more with that to make it clearer. but it was already close to 3hrs. And the boss called it the "crank file", but that really only means anything to those who read the book.

[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 7:43 PM. Reason : V]

3/8/2009 7:41:36 PM

they made it look like it was just sitting in the mail box

3/8/2009 7:42:09 PM

Quote :

"maybe the book does a better job of explaining just how "god like" he is... but something like that almost seems "beneath" him"

that's precisely what's at stake during that scene in the book

jon is debating whether the world has a creator or is just a series of parts that happened to form a watch without being formed by a craftsman, etc. etc.

and this big glass clockwork castle rises out of the surface of mars

3/8/2009 8:01:37 PM

so he doesnt already know everything?

3/8/2009 8:03:43 PM

he can see his own future and past

he's not omniscient

he has the capability of being omnipresent but isn't

3/8/2009 8:05:03 PM

so what about knowing that he didnt give those people cancer... seems like there would be a lot of people around him who didnt have cancer or that he would realize that it couldnt be true

3/8/2009 8:15:50 PM

Quick question: When they presented the case to Dr. Manhattan that he causes cancer... why did he care? Even if he did cause cancer, couldn't he just use his powers to destroy the cancer? Or just create a cure for it?

3/8/2009 10:17:45 PM

I think you'd still feel bad about the suffering caused, even if you could cure the cancer.

Also, didn't one of the people they mentioned die?

3/8/2009 10:41:20 PM

it doesn't matter. no one had cancer. ozymandias made it all up so dr. manhattan would leave for a while.

3/8/2009 10:48:36 PM

^ what?? I thought he (ozymandias) gave them cancer...


and that seemed a pretty risky way of doing it, I mean, it was hard to know that Manhatten's reaction would be to randomly go to Mars (I know there was the psychological profile and all, but it wouldnt be that specific). And even if he did go to Mars, it would take him a split second to come back.. seems odd that he would just assume all of that would happen or his plan would go to shit

[Edited on March 8, 2009 at 11:11 PM. Reason : d]

3/8/2009 11:09:24 PM

he's the smartest man on earth. he's 20 steps ahead of everyone.

3/8/2009 11:18:13 PM

but hes not smarter than Dr. Manhatten

3/8/2009 11:19:53 PM

I love the line about doing it 35 minutes ago. It would fit perfectly in a Bond movie.

Kinda liked the movie until the end when it all came together, then I really liked it.

3/9/2009 12:05:55 AM

haha, I was the opposite, I LOVED it up until the last hour

3/9/2009 12:09:59 AM

saw it tonight

hoping for a directors cut

not sure how i feel about the change of the ending

will be seeing again this weekend and likely trying to refrom an opinion

just like i did with the book, after one read it was pretty O_o, then after two, it was more ooohhh ok

[Edited on March 9, 2009 at 12:13 AM. Reason : e]

3/9/2009 12:13:11 AM

Quote :

"I love the line about doing it 35 minutes ago."

I heard a rumor before release that they were going to leave that out to keep more tension in the movie.

I'm really glad they kept it true to the original.

3/9/2009 12:23:38 AM

My favorite part was after Rorschach killed the black dude in prison, he said something like "What you people don't realize is that I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me".

3/9/2009 12:42:52 AM