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"The expert-level certification is the Cisco Certified Internetwork Expert (CCIE). It is the highest level of professional certification that Cisco provides. There are 5 active CCIE tracks, as shown below. As of April 6, 2008 there are 16,335 people with active CCIE certifications in the world.[16]. Cisco began its CCIE program in 1993[17] originally with a two day lab, later changing it to the one day format used today. Fewer than 3% of Cisco certified individuals attain CCIE certification, and on average will spend thousands of dollars and 18 months studying before passing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCNA#Cisco_Certified_Network_Associate_.28CCNA.29"

well, it looks like there are a few more than 600 of them.

in any event, i can get a six-figure salary with a 4-year degree, and no CCIE. why would anyone want to do this "networking doctorate" if its so damn hard for relatively little reward?





[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 3:04 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2008 3:01:30 PM

relatively little?


the same reason anyone would get a doctorate in anything


personal fulfillment, desire to make an impact in that field, etc


it's not all about money, you know


stop being so fucking shallow

7/17/2008 3:04:09 PM

but it's NOT a doctorate. its a CISCO-specific "expert certification". and learn to write more than one sentence, triple-spaced paragraphs, you dipshit



[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 3:05 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2008 3:04:52 PM

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"a six-figure salary with a 4-year degree"

7/17/2008 3:14:57 PM

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"well, it looks like there are a few more than 600 of them. in any event, i can get a six-figure salary with a 4-year degree, and no CCIE. why would anyone want to do this "networking doctorate" if its so damn hard for relatively little reward?"

He was referring to Voice CCIEs specifically. The number you quoted is ALL CCIEs of which there are multiple specializations. I don't know if that 600 number is accurate or not, i suspect there are more, but far less than 16,000 for sure. Salaries for Voice CCIEs are ridiculously high because the demand far exceeds the pool of expertise. $150k would be fairly low, honestly. The lowest paid CCIEs are the ones who work for Cisco. It's worth far more outside of Cisco than within the company.

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"but it's NOT a doctorate. "

no one claimed it was. He was drawing an analogy for those who aren't familiar with this particular industry.

7/17/2008 3:19:16 PM

hey, MonkeyMuck with the rolly-eyes

you know, im reallly sorry if you got your BA in interpersonal communication, because you didnt feel like toughing out an engineering degree.

... but im just about at 6 figures right now. and when i get my PE and move into a principal engineer's role, i'll be well into the 6 figures. i dont need to spend thousands of dollars and two years studying for some single-company-specific certification to get it, either.

maybe its not too late for you to go back and get another degree?








[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 3:23 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2008 3:21:26 PM

no need to get all childish, dude.

I was simply explaining why this particular cert commands such a high salary.

Congrats on almost being at the six figure mark.
That's pretty good.

7/17/2008 3:23:52 PM

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"no one claimed it was. He was drawing an analogy for those who aren't familiar with this particular industry."

well, duh, i know that. but the analogy does not extend to getting a company-specific certification to getting a PhD.

sorry. its not that similar.

you get a certification for money, not for academic rigor and prestige.

im just saying early 100Ks is not that much. now if youre saying its closer to 200K, then yeah, i guess that would be worthwhile.

7/17/2008 3:26:36 PM

you're splitting hairs over semantics.

I realize that's what TWW is all about, but usually you're above the hooksaw type BS.

I think it's pretty clear what skack's comment was trying to illustrate

7/17/2008 3:34:06 PM

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"but im just about at 6 figures right now. and when i get my PE and move into a principal engineer's role, i'll be well into the 6 figures."

You didn't start making 6 figures straight out of college. Taking the PE are you, well look who has been working for 4 years.

And you are cracking on a guy who might take 2-4 years of his life to increase his pay. Drr.

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 3:43 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2008 3:36:19 PM

haha joe_schmoe , way to add to the overabundance of fail already present in this thread.

The main difference between you, me, and 1,000,000's of other college grads and someone with a voice CCIE cert. is simple. You can't quit your job today and take another job where'd you'd make 50% more to start tomorrow. I couldn't either and my skill set/experience/education is very unique.

7/17/2008 3:46:53 PM

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"You didn't start making 6 figures straight out of college. Taking the PE are you, well look who has been working for 4 years. "

Bingo.

Not to mention that there are plenty of CCIE's who did not go to college. Show me another way for a high school graduate with no college to make $100k+ (typical) while working for someone else?
+
Having a CCIE gives instant credibility should you decide to start your own consulting company in which $125-$200 an hour would be a reasonable rate for your services. That's competing with lawyers and doctor's rates.

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 3:57 PM. Reason : l]

7/17/2008 3:55:55 PM

oh fuck it. fine you guys got me. But y'all know what the real issue is?

i secretly hate network engineers. i mean, really ... look what they go and do to their wives.







[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 4:08 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2008 4:05:17 PM

me too.

I have to deal with them all day.

7/17/2008 4:06:12 PM

MO MONEY MO PROBLEMS

7/17/2008 4:06:48 PM

so basically nothing new, except confirming the fact that brad and the family of nancey are probably bitching at each other right now.

7/17/2008 4:34:02 PM

agreed. and i really don't believe that whole she didn't get enough money to pay the family. she very well could have been spending the money given on other things such as the items she got that made her the "best customer" in the stores of the two dubbers that claimed such. she may then have had to ask her family for money so that she could actually buy the things needed and didn't want to say "i spent it on shoes, purses, and cute girlie dresses and instead opted for the he doesn't give me enough money excuse.

7/17/2008 4:36:32 PM

I still don't understand (presuming he killed her) how a CCIE/MBA lacks the brains to properly dispose of a dead body. At least put some rocks in her pants so she doesn't float....

7/17/2008 5:01:48 PM

I also don't understand why he of all people would put her so close. you don't dump a body in a new development, because it will get found and it'll get found soon. that much is obvious. maybe it was a drunken decision and he really didn't recall until waking up, but thats doubtful.

MBAs aren't always smart, but his undergrad was CSC so i'm sure he would have understood dumping her near by in a shallow ditch would have some run time errors and therefore would revise his algorithm a bit.

7/17/2008 5:05:06 PM

Well I was gonna post some statistics, but bottom line

WHITE MEN STOP KILLING YOUR WIVES!

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 5:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2008 5:12:21 PM

after reading the article posted today on wral.com, it pretty much looks like the in-laws are pointing the finger at the husband. they said things like, "we don't think she ever went jogging, he is unstable emotionally and possibly talked down to nancy, he wouldn't give her money causing her to have to borrow from us to buy groceries, she wanted to leave canada with the kids and he took away their passports so they couldn't leave."

i think the husband's lawyers are being smart by keeping their mouth's shut but obviously this doesn't fair well when the public is only hearing one side of the story....and it's not even nancy's side of the story, it's coming from her family.

it sounds to me her family has never really thought much of the hubby by the way they're talking about him to the media.

7/17/2008 5:21:50 PM

^ that's my concern, too. They're using this as an opportunity to out their distaste for him. For that reason alone, I hope it wasnt him that did it.

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 5:35 PM. Reason : because her family needs to show a little tact and keep family stuff in the family]

7/17/2008 5:34:38 PM

^^ I agree with what you're getting at. If he was the one to do this, he made some very stupid mistakes. If he didn't do it, there are a bunch of coincidences that can be explained away.

7/17/2008 5:36:06 PM

enter Nancy Grace....

I hate that bitch.

7/17/2008 8:16:22 PM

the parents of the woman OF COURSE have some shit against the husband.

it seriously looks like he may have KILLED THEIR DAUGHTER, the mother of their grandkids.

you think they're gonna be all reasonable, talking about "innocent until proven guilty" and baking him some apple pies and shit, inviting him over for dinner?

at this point, the one and only thing they can even begin to think about is how to keep their grandchildren safe from a (potentially) unstable, murdering bastard.

I wouldnt expect them to do anything less. I wouldnt do anything less if i were in their shoes. If my wife got killed, and i looked like i had gone off my nut and could be the suspect, I'd expect my in-laws to come after me with everything they had and try and get my son into safety.





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[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 8:22 PM. Reason : ]

7/17/2008 8:18:53 PM

I would think if it would have been the husband they would've already "broken" him by now.

7/17/2008 8:34:06 PM

^ I don't think the CPD is known for its interrogation techniques.

7/17/2008 8:48:15 PM

or ...

one might say that the Cary Police are playing their cards close to the chest, and slowly but surely building an air-tight case.

the amount of money Cary spends on police, one would hope they take this shit seriously and not run off half cocked.




OTOH, maybe they aint got a clue.

7/17/2008 8:49:11 PM

^agreed.

7/17/2008 8:50:16 PM

or maybe they're off looking for $100k jobs.

7/17/2008 8:50:23 PM

I would be.

7/17/2008 8:51:18 PM

i hear there might be a CCIE position opening up, pays about that amount.

7/17/2008 8:51:23 PM

i'll take it

no experience required?

7/17/2008 8:55:01 PM

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"I don't think the CPD is known for its interrogation techniques."

But they are known for being quite excellent marksmen, I think.

It's a shame to see this all being turned on the husband so quickly with so little information. Hopefully some more information comes to light in the future just to call off all the damned media dogs that will ruin this man's life whether he committed the crime or not.

7/17/2008 9:06:51 PM

you know he did it.

7/17/2008 9:08:21 PM

Whether he did it or not, speculating only leads to bad things happening.

We were all quite sure the Duke lacrosse guys raped that girl until it slowly was revealed, through all the hatred and vitriolic crap being shown in the news, that the bitch was lying.

I'd simply like it if people would act civilized for once and calm the hell down about stuff like this. If he did kill her, the police will make a move soon and it will answer all these questions that people are answering for themselves.

And while it may seem I'm being naive, trust me, I know that statistically he is the prime candidate for causing his wife's death. There is a point where I will start to play devil's advocate (which in this case is just the voice of mediated reason), and that's about when "oh god somebody killed a wealthy white person" syndrome hits the special people in the news media.

7/17/2008 9:16:38 PM

^you must be psychic... everything you just said has been going thru my mind

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 9:18 PM. Reason : so tired]

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 9:19 PM. Reason : g]

7/17/2008 9:18:08 PM

I highly doubt the husband wasn't providing for his family financially. I think that's just some bullshit brought on by the murdered woman's family.

7/17/2008 9:20:18 PM

just pointing out, which i'm sure you already know, that the duke lacrosse case was completely different considering it was the DA doing all the speculating and fueling the public.

the media speculates in every case. people are always going to talk and try to guess what happens you know? in every case people will talk. the duke lacrosse case was far more serious as far as "speculating" goes. you had authorities saying that the duke players raped her. here its just the family who is naturally and understandably upset. and then the general public and the media who area always going to talk/guess/speculate. people are interested in crime. especially murder which, btw, has a HUGE gap in the number of actual incidents and the amount news coverage that it receives.

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM. Reason : .]

7/17/2008 9:21:29 PM

^ Yes, but it's entirely similar because the media grabs onto every bit of bullshit they can find and then, at the same time (in an act that would put many a skilled simian to shame) flings that bullshit at the speed of light onto your TV set so you can spread that bullshit among everybody you know. It doesn't matter who is feeding the bullshit to the media for it to have the same bullshit-flinging-at-the-speed-of-light effect.

7/17/2008 9:24:32 PM

those phrases you used about speed of light shit flinging was awesome.

7/17/2008 9:30:28 PM

and if it does go to trial, it'll be hard finding a jury that won't already think he did it.

7/17/2008 9:30:49 PM

i don't think so yet. its not like scott peterson yet or anything.

7/17/2008 9:32:41 PM

i was working the night we found the body

7/17/2008 9:35:36 PM

^sorry man i always think about that - how the person who initially finds the body must feel, and how the cops must feel. that has got to be hell

7/17/2008 9:45:44 PM

my step-brother works at a funeral home, but he's grown desensitized to that kind of stuff thankfully.

7/17/2008 9:48:56 PM

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"the media grabs onto every bit of bullshit they can find and then, at the same time (in an act that would put many a skilled simian to shame) flings that bullshit at the speed of light onto your TV set so you can spread that bullshit among everybody you know. It doesn't matter who is feeding the bullshit to the media for it to have the same bullshit-flinging-at-the-speed-of-light effect."

AWESOME. you brought the funny while speaking the truth. gg

7/17/2008 10:09:17 PM

wral.com has updated the article online and said that they found nancy "wearing very little clothing."

the whole thing is sad considering there are 2 little girls who got thrown into this whole situation without knowing what is going on to begin with. i can't imagine what they're going through and my heart goes out to them.

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"I would think if it would have been the husband they would've already "broken" him by now."

i agree. i think he's afraid to talk to the media because if he did do it, he could break down and admit to it.

this whole thing reminds me of that trial that just ended in Massachusetts where the husband was just found guilty of murdering his wife and 9 month old daughter and then fleeing to England claiming he found them dead and was so distraught he left. they found that he was having financial problems and that the marriage was strained.

[Edited on July 17, 2008 at 10:13 PM. Reason : add ]

7/17/2008 10:10:50 PM

I wonder if the 9am press conference will have any new info. Probably more of the same - cant discuss.

7/18/2008 8:22:02 AM

is anyone watching?

7/18/2008 9:09:24 AM