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"who was the mental lady on the bed again when Daniel was visiting"

i think you mean when Desmond was visiting, and i don't think they ever told us (but its obviously not his mother as Whidmore said she was in LA)

1/28/2009 10:53:38 PM

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"So the blond chick's name is Ellie Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise Daniel's mouse was also named Eloise !! "

For page 7

And the lady in the bed was someone that knew Faraday

He experimented on her or something

1/28/2009 10:54:59 PM

yea i started to type when they knew who Daniel was when Desmond was visiting but brainfarted away from it

1/28/2009 10:55:14 PM

probably the girl who was in the cracked photo

daniel likely used her as a human guinea pig when he ran out of mice

1/28/2009 10:57:48 PM

i cant remember now what she looked like, but i felt at the time that she looked a little like the blonde Others girl

i know its 50 yrs apart, but that doesn't mean too much with a Lost plot


i mean not enough to be played by the same actress, but a slightly older version

[Edited on January 28, 2009 at 10:59 PM. Reason : ]

1/28/2009 10:59:09 PM

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"probably the girl who was in the cracked photo"

don't recall that, can you refresh my memory?

1/28/2009 11:01:35 PM

Desmond picked up a photo of Faraday and some chick when he was in his dusty ol' lab

I assumed it was the veggie bitch

1/28/2009 11:03:38 PM

des breaks in to old office

moves dusty sheets around

finds cracked photo of farraday and blonde

janitor interupts his search

1/28/2009 11:04:03 PM

That wasn't a janitor

THAT WAS WALT

1/28/2009 11:05:38 PM

dont you get it

if your granddaddy dies in the past, YOU DIE FOR REAL..

1/28/2009 11:07:49 PM

DWEEDLE FTW

1/28/2009 11:10:07 PM

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"des breaks in to old office moves dusty sheets around finds cracked photo of farraday and blonde janitor interupts his search"

oh yeah, i remember that, i thought you were talking about some photo in some much earlier episode, i thought the girl in that photo was the same one that was all fucked up in the bed when Desmond came to visit

1/28/2009 11:12:33 PM

young blonde girl on island = Daniel's mom?

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"# Here's something else to think about. Is the Girl Soldier on the Island Faraday's Mom as well? Remember how he said she looked familiar to him? Well, if Widmore is off the Island, it would stand to reason that she could have left the Island as well. It would be a possible explanation for why she knows so much about the Island and how / where to find it. Once again, mind = blown, and I need to think about this more."

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" * Why was Alpert present when Locke was born? Because Locke told him when it would happen, and Alpert went there as a way to determine if Locke was telling the truth. This must have semi-blown Alpert's mind, since he continued to visit Locke over the course of his youth - and this helps explain why the Island Originals all thought he was so special... because he is a freaking time traveling, future predicting "old guy"! * But does this mean that Locke really isn't that special or "chosen"? If the Island Originals only think he's special due to his time skipping, is he really the best choice for the future leader of the Others? * This also means that Desmond must be an exception instead of the rule, since he just had the memory of Faraday visiting him at the Swan Hatch in 2008 instead of always having it? * Did you catch the scenes from the preview from next week? Showing Locke seeing the light shooting up from the Swan Hatch (the ending scene from "Deus Ex Machina"!) as well as Sawyer stumbling upon Kate helping Claire deliver Aaron (the ending scene from "Do No Harm"!) Time to go back and re-watch some Season One episodes! * What this means prety much blows my mind though. Does that mean that Sawyer could run into himself? Wouldn't that rip apart the space-time continuum, a la Back to the Future? Remember this video from last year's Comic-Con where Chang is freaking out about two #8 Rabbits running into each other?! Mind = Blown. # My mind can't quite wrap around what this means for characters like Locke, Sawyer, and Juliet. Do they have the memories of 2004 from two perspectives now? Or since they are the ones "skipping", do their minds travel in a single, straight line? That seems most logical (and easiest to explain). The Island Originals would have all these memories from the time skippers visiting them in the past, but it wouldn't force us to re-evaluate everything that our Skipping Survivors did on the Island, taking into account the things they learned in the past when they started skipping. I'll try to explain this again using real words in the analysis, since I'm sure that made no sense! # Remember what Faraday told Desmond when he started to become "unstuck" in time? He asked if Desmond had been subjected to an intense does of radiation or electromagnetic energy Clearly, Desmond had been exposed to the later in the Swan Hatch, and he needed a Constant. But Daniel also had a Constant. Why? Well, guess who was just exposed to a high does of radiation in this episode when inspecting the Jughead? # Speaking of which, of course the "Deeper Meaning" of the episode is something totally literal - but at least we all knew what a "Jughead" was now! # CHARLES WIDMORE USED TO BE ON THE ISLAND. But was he an Island Original? Did he start to age once he left the Island? Or do only some Island Originals not age (like Alpert)? And how did he leave the Island? Was he kicked off? Why does he think that Ben "stole it" from him? It sure didn't look like he was "owning" it when Richard was bossing him around. Maybe he simply views Ben as "ruining" the Island once he started running the show, and Widmore doesn't so much want to turn the Island into a theme park, but wants to restore it to its natural, pre-Ben order when they were able to have babies and lived peacefully. Or is the reason Widmore got booted because he wanted to go commercial on the Island? Lots to think about here. # Did you guys watch the "Enhanced" repeat of "The Lie" beforehand? Guess what they said Ms. Hawking's first name was? ELOISE. Just like Faraday's rat. It looks like she is definitely going to end up being Faraday's mother. Also, who names a rat after their mom?"

http://lost-and-gone-forever.blogspot.com/2009/01/jughead-instant-reactions.html

1/28/2009 11:18:15 PM

its no fun to post professional Lost opinioneers' ideas

1/28/2009 11:20:04 PM

he's just like us.
.... just more so

1/28/2009 11:21:13 PM

Remember when we first saw Faraday

He was watching footage of the wreckage being found and crying

Wasn't there some woman in the house with him?

Did they ever show her face?

Was that Ms. Hawking?

1/28/2009 11:23:30 PM

i think the blonde girl is almost def daniel's mom/ms hawking. she is the right age, has the right body/hair style to be ms hawking and he said she looked familiar. they had her ask him if he meant romantically just so we could see him be weirded out by the question.

plus, daniel's mom is in LA and we saw last week that ms. hawking is LA, minor coincidence, but with everything else...

1/28/2009 11:33:43 PM

so Ben is in cahoots with Ms Hawking...and Ms Hawking is buddy-buddy with Widmore???

1/28/2009 11:40:25 PM

just b/c he knows where she is, doesnt mean they are buddy-buddy?

i mean they almost def know each other, right? b/c she is an old, highly ranking other and he used to be an other...

1/28/2009 11:43:03 PM

but apparently, Widmore funded Daniel's research and is supposedly "taking care" of his mother...which was implied by Desmond during his discussion with Widmore, who didn't deny a pleasant or rocky relationship with whoever Daniel's mother is

[Edited on January 28, 2009 at 11:51 PM. Reason : asdf]

1/28/2009 11:46:19 PM

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"its no fun to post professional Lost opinioneers' ideas"

like, 1/4 to 1/2 of the people in this thread could be professional opinioneers if we put some effort into it

go back through the old threads, we were probably right as much as any of the "famous" blogs

1/28/2009 11:46:55 PM

^^hmmmm

i suppose i disagree that was implied, but you may be right. perhaps that is where i she got htat equipment.

i'm sticking by my theory for now though, i consider it above the cloud...

[Edited on January 28, 2009 at 11:54 PM. Reason : you people take too long to post! i'm going to sleep, you can tell me how wrong i am in the AM!]

1/28/2009 11:49:36 PM

forget the cloud

this whole Widmore-Faraday-Ms Hawking-Ben connection is weird

but the blonde girl's hair in the episode is similar to Ms Hawking...so I dunno

so maybe blonde girl = Ms Hawking...but her being Faraday's mom seems like a stretch at this time

1/29/2009 12:01:09 AM

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"So the blond chick's name is Ellie Ms. Hawking's first name is Eloise Daniel's mouse was also named Eloise !!"

[Edited on January 29, 2009 at 12:02 AM. Reason : ]

1/29/2009 12:02:26 AM

if Widmore knows where Daniel's mom is and Daniel's mom is Ms Hawking then he can find Ben if he wants to, but he doesn't

that bugs me

Also, I can do that name thing too--Desmond is Charlie's dad!

1/29/2009 12:08:25 AM

Who says Widmore knows about Hawking and Ben

She's obviously pretty secretive

She's got a fucking computer bunker

1/29/2009 12:10:51 AM

^^ yeah, good point.

and I was surprised that Desmond could just walk into Widmores office, with no repurcussions, and without Widmore even acting surprised to see him. Haven't they been hiding from Widmore all this time? Why didn't he detain Desmond and make him tell where Penny was?

[Edited on January 29, 2009 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

1/29/2009 12:11:14 AM

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"but apparently, Widmore funded Daniel's research and is supposedly "taking care" of his mother...which was implied by Desmond during his discussion with Widmore, who didn't deny a pleasant or rocky relationship with whoever Daniel's mother is"

i thought Whidmore was taking care of whoever it was in the bed when Desmond came to visit, i don't remember him taking care of his mom

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"if Widmore knows where Daniel's mom is and Daniel's mom is Ms Hawking then he can find Ben if he wants to, but he doesn't that bugs me"

there is no reason to assume that Whidmore knows that Ms Hawking is friends with Ben

1/29/2009 12:12:28 AM

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"i thought Whidmore was taking care of whoever it was in the bed when Desmond came to visit, i don't remember him taking care of his mom"

wat

1/29/2009 12:14:37 AM

great episode

1/29/2009 12:16:05 AM

i mistook Faraday's vegetable with Faraday's mom

my mistake at the time

the whole situation still bugs me

1/29/2009 12:16:25 AM

haha welcome to the cloud

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

1/29/2009 12:19:30 AM

Widmore and Hawking have a past, likely on the island as the blond chick was probably Hawking

Widmore and Hawking aren't buddies now

He knows where she is (Los Angeles) but doesn't know what she's doing

Because she does it in a secret bunker

Ben and Hawking are buddies because they hate Widmore and love the island

1/29/2009 12:22:11 AM

A secret bunker he has an address to...

1/29/2009 12:28:37 AM

more like a church he has an address to

1/29/2009 12:30:33 AM

i'm watching deus ex machina right now

i forgot how much i loved season 1

1/29/2009 12:31:42 AM

He doesn't have the address to the damn bunker

If he does, he doesn't know it's a damn bunker

Maybe she's not even in LA, maybe he's just throwing Desmond off the course

Or into a trap

He doesn't like the guy much, you know

1/29/2009 12:34:23 AM

Juliet knows whats up

she was being all Juliet-like this episode

knowing more than she was saying and explaining

"How old is Richard?"

"Why does that interest you John?"

"Because he never gets fucking old!!"

1/29/2009 12:35:21 AM

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"wat"

i think i was pretty clear in my post (with the exception of adding and "h" to Widmore), i don't know what confused you

[Edited on January 29, 2009 at 12:37 AM. Reason : (unless you were just trying to get me to realize i added an h to his name)]

1/29/2009 12:35:50 AM

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"He doesn't have the address to the damn bunker If he does, he doesn't know it's a damn bunker"

dude, if its Ms Hawking...she does science on a chalkboard with a 1980s Macintosh in a church

not a bunker

[Edited on January 29, 2009 at 12:37 AM. Reason : asdfghjkl]

1/29/2009 12:37:00 AM

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"i thought Whidmore was taking care of whoever it was in the bed when Desmond came to visit"

I thought you were saying Widmore was the male nurse

I'm still not sure what you meant, though

1/29/2009 12:37:14 AM

Widmore paid for whoever daniel experimented on's medical health.
Widmore funded daniel's research.
Widmore claimed to know where daniels mom was.

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

1/29/2009 12:37:16 AM

^^no, i was refering to the conversation Desmond had at the house that had the lady in bed, the woman that answered the door said that Widmore was paying for her care, thats what i meant

1/29/2009 12:40:08 AM

watching some of you spin ideas is like watching an old woman drool

1/29/2009 12:40:23 AM

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"no, i was refering to the conversation Desmond had at the house that had the lady in bed, the woman that answered the door said that Widmore was paying for her care, thats what i meant"

That makes sense

I think I was pooping during that part of the episode

1/29/2009 12:43:38 AM

Spin a rock and travel through time! Smoke Monsters! Magic numbers! It all makes sense!

1/29/2009 12:44:15 AM

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE STATUE?

THATS ALL I CARE ABOUT

I'm Big Business and i approved this message.

1/29/2009 12:48:25 AM

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"Showing Locke seeing the light shooting up from the Swan Hatch (the ending scene from "Deus Ex Machina"!)"

lol, the professional got this one wrong

the light just comes on at the end of DEM
it shoots up (the scene in the preview) when kate is going down into i think

1/29/2009 12:50:02 AM

i don't really think that light shooting up we saw in the preview is the same one we saw shoot up from the hatch, once again, just a personal feeling, not so confident that i'd be willing to put money on it or anything,

1/29/2009 12:53:38 AM

are you kidding?

did you watch the preview?

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"OLD WOMAN DROOL"

[Edited on January 29, 2009 at 12:59 AM. Reason : its clear they have quantum leaped into a time when gilligan et al were there]

1/29/2009 12:58:25 AM