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"Dude, I'm a laissez-faire capitalist, which is very different from both communism and democracy."

you're half-right...you can't have capitalism (economic) without democracy (social)...technically, no, they aren't the same thing, but capitalism cannot exist without democracy

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 12:25 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 12:24:56 PM

why couldn't you have capitalism in a totalitarian state?

9/3/2008 12:25:44 PM

I'm talking about capitalism as a social and economic system

Which is completely at odds with totalitarianism.

9/3/2008 12:26:43 PM

^^ because with totalitarianism, the state controls all aspects of the economy, both public and private?

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"I'm talking about capitalism as a social and economic system"

capitalism is not a social system

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 12:27 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 12:26:46 PM

i am the king of the world

i decree that you can sell whatever you want

9/3/2008 12:27:36 PM

^ then that's not the state controlling all aspects, now, is it?

9/3/2008 12:28:14 PM

it is if i allow it

9/3/2008 12:28:40 PM

not at all...allowing someone to make a choice is by no means the same as making the choice for them

9/3/2008 12:29:11 PM

WORD

9/3/2008 12:29:30 PM

I'm talkin about pure, unregulated laissez-faire capitalism, where you have an economic and social system based on individual rights. Not capitalism as is defined in the dictionary, which is just an economic system.

9/3/2008 12:31:01 PM

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"not at all...allowing someone to make a choice is by no means the same as making the choice for them"

you're just gonna have to take that up with God, young man

9/3/2008 12:32:05 PM

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"I'm talkin about pure, unregulated laissez-faire capitalism, where you have an economic and social system based on individual rights."

so you're talking about something that cannot exist? you're making the same mistake as communists - assuming that people are equal, and that they will respect the equality of their fellow human beings

this is IMPOSSIBLE...i won't even get into the details, like determining what "fair" taxation is, in regards to "maintaining" these rights...it's very complex, and i really don't think you understand what all it entails (this isn't meant to be insulting, but there are very few "pure" laissez-faire economists out there, because it simply isn't feasible)

^

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 12:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 12:32:47 PM

this thread is getting too serious.

9/3/2008 12:34:02 PM

inorite

9/3/2008 12:35:15 PM

9/3/2008 12:36:13 PM

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"penus"

9/3/2008 12:36:55 PM

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"because it simply isn't feasible"

How is it not feasible?

9/3/2008 12:39:47 PM

have you read Hobbes?

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 12:40 PM. Reason : there are people involved, so anything that "fair" is impossible]

9/3/2008 12:40:17 PM

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"How is it not feasible?"

through which aspect? it's infeasible in a lot of ways - name some things that you consider core components of a "pure" laissez-faire capitalist system, and i'll refute the ones i can (not all of it unrealistic, but if you really know what TRUE laissez-faire capitalism is, then it should be pretty easy to argue against most of your points)

^ EXACTLY

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 12:43 PM. Reason : i ♥ StillFuchsia...hobbes is who i was thinking of ]

9/3/2008 12:42:15 PM

Good thing I paid attention in economics class.

9/3/2008 12:43:23 PM

^ you and me both...i find the complexity intriguing

9/3/2008 12:44:42 PM

I GOT ONE OF MY DEGREES IN ECONOMICS


I DO NOT AGREE

9/3/2008 12:48:31 PM

^Palindrome post!!!!

9/3/2008 12:49:57 PM

Palindrome

9/3/2008 12:50:21 PM

ZOMG urite!

9/3/2008 12:51:00 PM

I NEED NOT POST IN YOUR PALINDROME THREAD

9/3/2008 12:58:50 PM

you want me to delete one of your posts so you can?

9/3/2008 1:02:45 PM

ahh im back!!! and no sorry boys, there was no cock in my mouth just had to go to class. with that said i'll continue with my research and post it in a min

9/3/2008 1:03:11 PM

IT BEGINS!

Are you researching on Fox News?

9/3/2008 1:04:12 PM

damn, I thought for sure that pilgrimshoes had face raped you

9/3/2008 1:05:07 PM

sadly enough, he did not. sorry. class beckoned. anyways, i love how no still has attempted to refute how clinton is the cause of the oil crisis, yet people still blame bush for the recession. and to clerify what i meant by couldnt catch osama, what was meant by that, and i assumed would've been understood but obviously not so, they did not catch him, obviously. they had their oppertunity but did not think after those attacks that it was important enough to kill the motherfucker and we all know what the end result of that was. also please see:

Clinton quietly used OPEC oil diplomacy to supply Russia increased energy profits. The influx of cash into Moscow was mainly obtained through Iraqi oil sold by the U.N. and distributed through Russian suppliers. The cash paid for the Russian war and a new round of rampant corruption, centered on the former Soviet GAZPROM state oil company.

However, there were also unexpected results. The oil sales helped Saddam Hussein re-arm his military with a brand new Chinese-built air defense system. The move is also now seen as a major blunder that triggered the 2001 recession.

9/3/2008 1:11:30 PM

also lets not forget that bush was the first repub president that created a new entitlement program (for prescription meds).

9/3/2008 1:13:22 PM

OH MY GOD

Please edit the first paragraph. I just stopped reading it.

You're gonna get busted for double posting, fyi.

9/3/2008 1:18:19 PM

jesus christ, take this bullshit thread to the soapbox

and imphoto has to be salisbury boy

9/3/2008 1:20:09 PM

yeah i'm waiting for *it* to drop the n-bomb shortly.

9/3/2008 1:20:56 PM

my bad. here is the edited paragraph:

unfortunately, i did not get face raped. as i had stated earlier, i had to go to class and therefore couldnt respond.
i love how no one has attempted to argue about the oil crisis, which is a major cause of the recession we are now in. if clinton had fixed it, as bush is starting to do but it is a ten yr process, our economy really would be "booming" now.
people seemed confused about my comment about how the clinton admin could've caught osama but didnt. what i meant by that is they had orders to catch him dead or alive but took on themselves to solely catch him alive. he was able to escape, however, when they attempted to catch him alive, and we all know the outcome of that story (see 9/11).

9/3/2008 1:23:06 PM

I did not know that Bush was running again.

interesting.

9/3/2008 1:24:17 PM

i have no idea who salisbury boy is. i joined here like a yr ago and im just no finally actually using it (note low post number) but if you wish to believe im someone else, go for it.

9/3/2008 1:25:51 PM

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"and imphoto has to be salisbury boy"

i doubt that sir

9/3/2008 1:27:31 PM

ah, the thread is turning into a debate about aliases...NOW it's a true chit chat thread

FDT

[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 1:35:20 PM

not quite

9/3/2008 1:36:37 PM

9/3/2008 1:40:21 PM

i'm in love.

9/3/2008 2:01:06 PM

You really think causing termoil near opec helps any oil chrisis??
not a good idea...

hell if oil didn't have opec the crap would be cheap as hell because then they'd have to actually provide a better product at a better price.. fixing dissolving opec fixes our economy.

9/3/2008 2:17:44 PM

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"i love how no still has attempted to refute"

I LOVE HOW NO STILL HAS ATTEMPTED TO REFUTE

9/3/2008 2:26:57 PM

haha, reading through this, I seriously think you guys need to brush up on how welfare works. The whole "lazy fuckers that get free money and don't work" is just plain retarded and makes you sound like an uneducated redneck.

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"Terrorists, WOMD, etc have nothing to do with it right, cause afterall thats what CNN told you...."

ummm...we already know that there were no weapons of mass destruction and that the terrorists had nothing to do with Iraq, so what's your point? I don't care if we go after the people who orchestrated the attacks, but last time I checked, Saddam wasnt' one of them. As Rumsfeld said "this is a man we can do business with." We knew all about the fucked up shit he was doing back then, but we didnt' care because he was playing ball. Not to mention we fucking TRAINED bin laden and his buddies. Open your fucking eyes people.



[Edited on September 3, 2008 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2008 3:09:22 PM

Obama's black!?!?

9/3/2008 3:09:58 PM

This thread is about on par with something you could read in the Technician, in terms of "facts" and grammatical errors.

9/3/2008 3:19:50 PM

jessie jepp takes offence to that comment. (one would assume)

9/3/2008 3:24:12 PM

set em up

9/3/2008 3:26:04 PM