i am a socialist hating republican...


i'm also one of 3 republicans in my family....which has been democrat from WAY back...

and i don't think any of them are socialists

8/29/2008 8:08:25 PM

nah, those are "dixiecrats"

8/29/2008 8:09:15 PM

even the ones that have never voted for a republican in their lives?

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 8:11 PM. Reason : asd]

8/29/2008 8:10:28 PM

DNL is a libertardian

8/29/2008 8:10:36 PM

If you're interested, here is a podcast/webcast of Fresh Air where they interview an associate professor of social medicine and health policy and administration at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (yeah, yeah, I know) in which he talks about the plusses and minuses of both candidates healthcare plans.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=93975730

Also, here is a link to a discussion on the same show about Lobbyists in both campaigns after both campaigns said they would not allow lobbyists on thier staffs.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=94017029

each one is about an hour in length.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 8:12 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 8:11:16 PM

^^^lol do you know what a dixiecrat is?

8/29/2008 8:12:27 PM

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"here is a podcast/webcast of Fresh Air "

does the podcast have dice in the mirror?

8/29/2008 8:12:45 PM

yes...i took social studies too

8/29/2008 8:12:50 PM

lolololol

8/29/2008 8:13:10 PM

Yes, and flames down the side too.

8/29/2008 8:13:25 PM

i too took social studies

8/29/2008 8:14:17 PM

my dixiecrat relatives are still registered as democrats so they can vote for people they don't think have a chance of winning in the primaries and then vote for republicans in the national elections

8/29/2008 8:14:33 PM

Obama is a Neolib...they are even worse than Neocons

8/29/2008 8:17:25 PM

haha...you should coin that

8/29/2008 8:18:06 PM

Ha, check out her youngest daughter in the second picture

http://www.npr.org/multimedia/2008/08/palin/gallery/index.html

8/29/2008 8:20:45 PM

i really shouldn't be in this thread at all


i am a woman...therefore i have no business discussing politics

8/29/2008 8:21:05 PM

McCain's choice in VP is all but a noose around his neck. He is obviously already suffering from dementia.

8/29/2008 8:21:23 PM

8/29/2008 8:21:55 PM

^^idiot

8/29/2008 8:22:14 PM

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"check out her youngest daughter in the second picture"

hahahaha

she's chillin in her b-boy stance

8/29/2008 8:22:26 PM

i kinda hate to say it...

but i like her hair

8/29/2008 8:23:00 PM

Palin is in the middle of a major scandal. She has very little experience. And that is relevant this go around because of McCain's advanced age. It also undermine's McCain's criticism of Obama's inexperience. She is only going to make McCain even OLDER and out of touch by comparison. She is also anti-choice and creationist. That's going to make her a tough sell with moderates and put out Hillary-crats.

She is just a rotten choice.

8/29/2008 8:27:28 PM

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"She is only going to make McCain even OLDER and out of touch by comparison"

OBAMA MAKES BIDEN LOOK LIKE AN OLD FOGEY!!1

lets see

if you want to say the VP nominee's experience relates to the P nominee's experience, then i think this too should be relevant

Obama 4 years older than Palin
McCain 6 years older than Biden

the tickets' combined age has a 2 year difference

OMG STOP THE PRESSES THIS SHIT IS WILD

OLD, EXPERIENCE, OLD, EXPERIENCE, OLD, EXPERIENCE

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 8:29 PM. Reason : OLD, EXPERIENCE]

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 8:31 PM. Reason : OLD EXPEREINAGNEWOINAOIBNWOAIGNWEOIG]

8/29/2008 8:29:14 PM

Quote :

"Sarah Palin is no stranger to the "maverick" label often assigned to Sen. John McCain, the Republican presidential candidate who has selected her to join him on the GOP ticket. Alaska's youngest and first female governor has pushed for ethics investigations of fellow Republicans in her state and bucked the powerful oil industry on a major natural gas pipeline project. When she ran for governor in 2006, she ran as an outsider and an agent for change.(Female-version-of-Obama says "what?") But she's also an anti-abortion, pro-gun fiscal conservative — something sure to please the Republican base. Rooted In Local Politics The 44-year-old Palin is a fresh face on the national political scene. But she has participated in local and state politics for much of her adult life. She was elected to the Wasilla City Council in 1992, running against tax increases in the Anchorage suburb. Four years later, she was elected mayor of the city, which has grown rapidly although its population is still under 10,000. Palin held the mayor's job until 2002 and in 2003 was named chairwoman of the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission. Palin was elected governor three years later despite her outcast status in the Republican Party. Her campaign theme was a defiant one — "Take a Stand." She won a three-way primary race against incumbent Gov. Frank Murkowski and former state Sen. John Binkley, then went on to defeat former Democratic Gov. Tony Knowles. As governor, Palin says she's tried to instill public confidence in the government of a state that's been shaken by political scandals. She won't invite lobbyists to her office and has introduced ethics reform legislation. One of her first acts as governor was to kill the now infamous "bridge to nowhere" pork-barrel spending project. And she put the former governor's personal jet up for sale on eBay. An Outsider's 'Fresh' Start In an interview with NPR soon after taking office as governor, Palin said her outsider status had pros and cons. "The kind of a disadvantage of being an outsider is you don't know all the players. The advantages are you get to start fresh. You get to start with ideals, and it's worth it." Palin continues to defy her party. She refused to endorse longtime Republican Congressman Don Young in this year's primary, backing one of his challengers instead. But critics say that Palin is politically naive and more show than substance. In recent weeks she's been dogged by questions over her firing of a state official who refused to dismiss a state trooper involved in a bitter divorce and child custody battle with her sister.(whoops!) Palin graduated from the University of Idaho in 1987 and worked for two years as a television sports reporter before becoming a co-owner of a commercial fishing operation. She's also owned an outdoor recreational equipment company. Palin was crowned Miss Wasilla in 1984 and also competed in the Miss Alaska pageant. She likes to hunt, ice fish, ride snowmobiles and eat moose burgers. 'Barracuda' On The Basketball Court Palin also played basketball in school. She was on the Wasilla state championship girls basketball team in 1982. Her nickname on the court was "Sarah Barracuda," for her style of play. Palin is the mother of five children, including one born earlier this year with Down syndrome. Her oldest son enlisted in the Army last year and is scheduled to be deployed to Iraq next month."

8/29/2008 8:36:10 PM

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"Alaska's youngest and first female governor has pushed for ethics investigations of fellow Republicans"

joe_schmoe is in love

also she was mayor and city council member while obama was a ... lawyer (experience?)

Quote :

"she put the former governor's personal jet up for sale on eBay."

haha awesome

8/29/2008 8:44:30 PM

according to treetwista in soap box...obama has 52 more months of experience than her in the state house

8/29/2008 8:55:23 PM

yeah but being mayor or being on the city council isnt the statehouse

obama has more years of experience as a senator than she does as a governor

but her council + mayor + governor years > obama's senator years

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 8:57 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 8:57:18 PM

I don't know what I think about her experience. She has had a very short term as governor of a state with a relatively small population that is a bit removed from the rest of the US. And she was "the mayor of a town with a smaller population than some apartment buildings in New York," as one of my friends put it. I don't know how much that counts for.

But I do not think that she is going to win any votes for McCain. (Not that I want him to win any votes.)

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 9:03:10 PM

oh god

here come the quote bombs

move this shit-heap to the soapbox

8/29/2008 9:07:38 PM

you dont think any women are gonna vote for her just cause shes a woman???????????????????????????

thats just crazy

8/29/2008 9:08:23 PM

TSB is full, this one has to stay in chat chat

8/29/2008 9:08:25 PM

after reading her bio, I think she should win some votes for him but her as his choice for VP just reeks of pandering to hillary supporters so much so that I don't think people will pay attention to what she has actually done in office.

^^^, my quotes were not supporting her or attacking her. just pointing out interesting things in that article.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 9:10 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 9:09:32 PM

Quote :

"you dont think any women are gonna vote for her just cause shes a woman??????????????????????????? thats just crazy"

That really insults the female voter. I do not believe that democratic women are as unthinking as all of that.

8/29/2008 9:10:48 PM

lol, i really believe the american populace is that stupid too...call me an elitest...lol

8/29/2008 9:12:04 PM

if you dont think there are women who will vote for her or who wouldve voted for hillary because they're women, or there are blacks who vote for obama because he's black, or there are whites who vote for mccain because he's white...then you're pretty naive

not to say that everybody is like that by any means...but come on, get a clue

8/29/2008 9:13:22 PM

the problem with a lot of educated people is they dont realize how dumb the rest of the US is

8/29/2008 9:18:41 PM

I am female and I am Republican.

The Republican party will not get my votes this time around.

8/29/2008 9:18:43 PM

I saw somewhere that she has 12 years of experience in a leading executive position, anyone know what that was?

Also saw someone mention that a governor does more work and decision making in a few years than many senators do in their tenure. I like it. I really like what she's done as governor and think that along with straight-talk no-bullshit McCain they will do wonders for the country and get a defunct Congress to actually take action and make decisions.

Obama will...be the first black president. And hope for change. That's about it, right?

8/29/2008 9:20:16 PM

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"elitest"

also

Quote :

"no-bullshit McCain"

seriously?

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 9:22 PM. Reason : .]

8/29/2008 9:21:24 PM

noobist

8/29/2008 9:22:35 PM

^^that's the vibe i've gotten from him. He seems to the point and doesn't pander to any audiences, unlike Obama who won't answer a hard question if its above his pay grade.

8/29/2008 9:24:00 PM

just what we need...another decider lol

Quote :

"can someone photoshop some pics of her face on some nude bodies that might look like her body naked?"

8/29/2008 9:24:43 PM

Quote :

"After moving to the Valley and graduating from Wasilla High, Sarah earned her Journalism degree from the University of Idaho. She worked in media and the utility industry before beginning her public service 14 years ago. Sarah was elected to two terms on the Wasilla City Council, and then two terms as the Mayor / Manager of Alaska’s fastest growing community. During her tenure as Mayor she reduced property tax levels while increasing services and made Wasilla a business friendly environment drawing in new industry. The responsibility of managing dozens of employees including a growing police department and public works department, and overseeing the multimillion dollar capital and operating budgets provided her with hands-on, 21st Century relevant administrative experience. Sarah’s demonstrated leadership was also recognized when she was elected by her mayoral peers as President of the Alaska Conference of Mayors. In this role, she worked with local, state and federal officials to promote solutions to the needs of Alaska’s communities. Sarah served as Chairman of Alaska’s Oil and Gas Conservation Commission, which regulates Alaska’s most valuable non-renewable resources: oil and gas. She also served on the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission. Sarah was named one of Alaska’s “Top 40 Under 40?, Alaska’s Public Works “Person of the Year”, and was recently inducted into the Sigma Beta Delta Honor Society at Alaska Pacific University."

I'm guessing she has her 12 years some where in all that.

8/29/2008 9:25:30 PM

Quote :

"I am female and I am Republican. The Republican party will not get my votes this time around."

8/29/2008 9:26:56 PM

John McCain's biggest donors:
Merrill Lynch $296,913
Citigroup Inc $268,501
Morgan Stanley $234,272
Goldman Sachs $208,395
JPMorgan Chase & Co $179,975
AT&T Inc $174,497
Greenberg Traurig LLP $150,387
Credit Suisse Group $150,025
Blank Rome LLP $149,426
PricewaterhouseCoopers $140,120
UBS AG $139,665
US Government $137,117
Bank of America $129,475
Wachovia Corp $122,846
Lehman Brothers $117,500
Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $104,250
US Army $102,898
FedEx Corp $99,753
Bear Stearns $99,300
Sidley Austin LLP $96,200

Obama's:
Goldman Sachs $653,030
University of California $576,839
JPMorgan Chase & Co $414,760
Citigroup Inc $408,299
Harvard University $407,219
Google Inc $404,191
UBS AG $389,294
Lehman Brothers $361,482
National Amusements Inc $360,703
Moveon.org $347,463
Sidley Austin LLP $329,776
Microsoft Corp $326,847
Skadden, Arps et al $320,550
Morgan Stanley $307,221
Time Warner $305,538
WilmerHale $275,132
Jones Day $272,755
Latham & Watkins $270,595
University of Chicago $268,285
Stanford University $258,388

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?id=N00009638&cycle2=2008&goButt2.x=8&goButt2.y=6&goButt2=Submit

The organizations themselves did not donate , rather the money came from the organization's PAC, its individual members or employees or owners, and those individuals' immediate families.

[Edited on August 29, 2008 at 9:31 PM. Reason : I'm getting too soapboxy so I'll quit.]

8/29/2008 9:27:28 PM

Haha, JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs are playing both sides of the field

8/29/2008 9:29:18 PM

Quote :

"John McCain's biggest donors: Merrill Lynch $296,913 Citigroup Inc $268,501 Morgan Stanley $234,272 Goldman Sachs $208,395 JPMorgan Chase & Co $179,975 AT&T Inc $174,497 Greenberg Traurig LLP $150,387 Credit Suisse Group $150,025 Blank Rome LLP $149,426 PricewaterhouseCoopers $140,120 UBS AG $139,665 US Government $137,117 Bank of America $129,475 Wachovia Corp $122,846 Lehman Brothers $117,500 Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $104,250 US Army $102,898 FedEx Corp $99,753 Bear Stearns $99,300 Sidley Austin LLP $96,200"

hahah no mention of obama getting any contributions from the us govt

8/29/2008 9:29:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI

8/29/2008 9:30:35 PM

Well fucking DUH. Who in the hell is the head honcho right now in US govt?

8/29/2008 9:30:41 PM

set em up

8/29/2008 9:30:54 PM