i'm still not feelin' it.

9/15/2009 10:18:34 AM

From what I've heard, cutting off a few million in funding isn't really going to hurt ACORN because they're still eligible for up to 8 BILLION in stimulus money...

9/15/2009 12:08:26 PM

okay, now i'm feelin it

9/15/2009 12:35:04 PM

Does anyone else find Fox's marketing of the girl who played the prostitute exploitative?

On my way home, Hannity mentioned "the 20-year-old girl who played the prostitute will be on Fox tonight" following every commercial break.

I need to stop listening to these jokers. What a waste of time.

9/15/2009 6:23:37 PM

stop? why on earth did you even start listening to them in the first place?

9/15/2009 6:30:37 PM

A combination of openmindedness and schadenfreude


[Edited on September 15, 2009 at 6:51 PM. Reason : ]

9/15/2009 6:51:20 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550562,00.html

Another video of ACORN...this time in CA.

9/15/2009 8:13:38 PM

Quote :

"Kaelke said her supervisor "would shoot this down faster than a bat out of hell" but advised the couple to conceal the prostitution business by calling it a massage parlor."

So what's the issue, then?

The subordinate clearly understood that what she was saying was totally out of line.

9/15/2009 8:23:34 PM

ABC's Gibson: ACORN Scandal a Mystery to Me

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"But Gibson told a radio show Tuesday morning that he wasn't familiar with the story — and it might be 'just one you leave to the cables.' ABC reporter Jake Tapper has filed some reports on the scandal, and Gibson was asked on WLS Radio's 'Don & Roma Show' what he thought of the story. 'I don't even know about it,' Gibson said, laughing. 'So you've got me at a loss. ... But my goodness, if it's got everything, including sleaziness in it, we should talk about it in the morning.' When one of the radio show's hosts described it as a 'huge issue,' Gibson said ABC had 'done some stories about ACORN before, but this one I don't know about.' Later Tuesday, ABC sought to clarifiy Gibson's comments: 'He was aware of the general story and Jake's reporting on it but wasn't familiar with it as it was described to him on the radio this morning.'"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,550605,00.html

Just wow.

And I will take this opportunity to point out that the ACORN scandals are not about Obama to me. I have been on this unfolding story since. . .

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"11/3/2006"

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But I think some are tying the ACORN scandals to Obama. If so, it will simply be yet another radical association on a long list of them--and I don't think it will have that much effect on Obama. The only way I see this happening is if some illegality is found in Obama's association with ACORN.

9/16/2009 2:54:43 AM

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"And I will take this opportunity to point out that the ACORN scandals are not about Obama to me.... But I think some are tying the ACORN scandals to Obama."

Don't act like you didn't post this earlier in this thread:

"Obama, ACORN, and the Financial Crisis"

"Inside Obama’s Acorn
By their fruits ye shall know them."

"Obama GOTV Group and Voter Fraud"

So, it's not about the connection to Obama anymore, now that you realize the guilt by association tactic didn't stick.

9/16/2009 2:19:27 PM

^ Incorrect.

9/16/2009 4:14:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/09/16/us.acorn/index.html

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"WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The community organizing group ACORN on Wednesday announced a hiring freeze, new training programs and an independent review of its programs after the recent release of a series of videotapes embarrassing to the agency. "We have all been deeply disturbed by what we've seen in some of these videos," ACORN CEO Bertha Lewis said. "I must say on behalf of ACORN's board and our Advisory Council that we will go to whatever lengths necessary to re-establish the public trust.""

HAHAHAHA


the most trusted corruption gov't money can buy.

i think this past election ended any and all public trust, this was just icing on the cake

bertha, come on

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 7:01 PM. Reason : ]

9/16/2009 7:00:46 PM

i blame black people

9/16/2009 7:34:06 PM

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". If so, it will simply be yet another radical association on a long list of them"

lol

9/16/2009 7:41:18 PM

SNITCHES GET STITCHES

9/16/2009 8:29:28 PM

Quote :

"re-establish the public trust"

9/16/2009 9:39:32 PM

Was what these citizen journalist did legal? Can you tape conversations if you don't get the consent of the tapee?

9/16/2009 9:47:49 PM

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"Was what these citizen journalist did legal? Can you tape conversations if you don't get the consent of the tapee? "

I dunno. Ask linda tripp

9/16/2009 10:02:04 PM

In January 1998, Tripp gave the surreptitiously recorded tapes to then-Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr in exchange for immunity from prosecution.


.....


Indictment by the State of Maryland

Tripp was a resident of Columbia, Maryland at the time she made her surreptitious recordings of the conversations with Lewinsky, and after 49 Democrats in the Maryland Legislature signed a letter to the state prosecutor demanding that Tripp be prosecuted, she was charged by state authorities with violating Maryland's wiretap law.[8] Prior to trial, the state court ruled that, due to the immunity agreements which the Independent Counsel's office entered into with Tripp, Lewinsky, and others, a substantial amount of the evidence which the prosecution intended to use was inadmissible.


It would be funny if these guys get brought up on charges.

9/16/2009 10:15:25 PM

Quote :

"Was what these citizen journalist did legal? Can you tape conversations if you don't get the consent of the tapee? "

It could potentially fall under a whistle-blower type of law.

I wonder though if you walked into AIG or some other accounting firm posing as a pimp with a prostitute if you wouldn’t get the same treatment.

9/16/2009 10:59:40 PM

http://mediamatters.org/press/releases/200909160021

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"On September 15, Fox News' Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity both broadcast Tresa Kaelke's assertion, recorded on a hidden camera, that she had killed a former husband. Both made a point of highlighting the statement. On the September 15 edition of his show, Beck played the clip and then said, "She never spanked her kids, but she did shoot her husband dead." Later that night, Hannity played the same clip before adding, "Specifically, now, she goes into this scenario about her husband and the killing of him." The following morning, on September 16, Fox News' Gretchen Carlson repeated the allegation, saying, "She killed somebody? Despite this, some lawmakers want to keep funding the group." She later claimed that the husband was still alive, "according to ACORN.” [However, the San Bernardino Police Department itself has now confirmed that Kaelke's claim was untrue. … Furthermore, Kaelke has said that when she made the claim, she was seeking to deliberately mislead the undercover videographers, Hannah Giles and James O'Keefe, of whom she was suspicious. "They were not believable," Kaelke is quoted as saying in an ACORN press release. "Somewhat entertaining, but they weren't even good actors. I didn't know what to make of them. They were clearly playing with me. I decided to shock them as much as they were shocking me." Kaelke's remarks have thus far been largely ignored by Fox News. "

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 11:10 PM. Reason : ]

9/16/2009 11:09:57 PM

lol at an ACORN employee saying someone else isn't believable

9/16/2009 11:18:28 PM

Quote :

" It could potentially fall under a whistle-blower type of law."

I haven't consumed this story because I think it's stupid as hell, but wouldn't ACORN have to actively promote/teach these types of tactics to their...employees? Maybe they do, but from what little I've read, I just get the impressions these were some dumbasses who had no business attempting to give the type of advice these two were seeking. Clearly though, one of them wasn't a dumbass, which begs the question, just how many different offices did these people go in before they hit on some easy prey?

9/16/2009 11:19:14 PM

^^^ I saw the tape on Beck and I had to think that no one could be stupid enough to actually believe what those two HORRIBLE actors had to say...

What's worse is that a national and well known talk show host did NO background checks with police departments, courts, etc to see if a charge was brought on someone who supposedly killed a husband. Instead he made the instant leap that she "got away with murder."

^ Well, there is no doubt ACORN does some shady stuff from top to bottom, but they did say that this we tried at MULTIPLE offices (whatever that means) until they got a bite or two...

[Edited on September 16, 2009 at 11:32 PM. Reason : x]

9/16/2009 11:31:28 PM

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"^ Well, there is no doubt ACORN does some shady stuff from top to bottom, but they did say that this we tried at MULTIPLE offices (whatever that means) until they got a bite or two..."

But is it structured so that a centralized power at the top dictates what all the member organizations do? Are there memos sent out to them saying "this is what you will say to this, this is how we react to this"? Is there training that filters down from top to bottom such that the advice that was given to the pimp and ho is an official policy?

I don't know much about ACORN other than they registered a lot of people to vote.

9/16/2009 11:38:06 PM

There isn't really a "Top" to acorn. It has 1200+ independent chapters.

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 12:23 AM. Reason : .]

9/17/2009 12:22:30 AM

acorn hasn't done any crimes. the only crimes are these posers. If organized crime approached you, would you say "get the hell otu of heree with that illegal stuff before i call the cops"? probably not because you would be scared of what they might do. You would try to please them in thier face and then just not follow through. None of these people in these beck videos made it past the first stage of the 12 step process.

9/17/2009 1:06:06 AM

Embattled ACORN orders independent investigation (AP) – 1 hour ago

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"ACORN will work with its advisory council, which includes prominent supporters of President Barack Obama, such as John Podesta, president of the nonprofit Center for American Progress, and Andrew Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, to name an independent auditor and investigator, ACORN chief executive Bertha Lewis said in a written statement. The investigation will examine all the systems and processes called into question by the video, Lewis said."

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"Asked Wednesday about the controversy, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said that 'obviously the conduct that you see on those tapes is completely unacceptable.'"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jxhq8CPN8LdLntDEDtE5NrEBQ2IgD9AOR9400

9/17/2009 1:11:58 AM

Embittered GOP NUTJOBS still grasping at straws to discredit Dems (TWW) -- 24/7

9/17/2009 1:45:50 AM

^ So, ACORN investigating itself and the White House calling the conduct of some ACORN employees "completely unacceptable" is about the GOP? Yeah, there's an "embittered nutjob" here--and it's you.

9/17/2009 2:11:57 AM

acorn shmacorn. i dont give a fuck about them, personally. but since its news, wtf do you think the white house is going to say?

the behavior of these two or three acorn people is only slightly more despicable than the "investigative journalists" going busting their asses with hidden cameras trying their damnedest to entrap some motherfuckers.

of course if you try long enough, you'll get someone to fuck up, somewhere, in any group of people you're trying to entrap.

if they had focused their undercover scam on christian charity groups as long and as hard as they did on acorn, they'd have eventually gotten the same result.

9/17/2009 2:41:45 AM

^ Um. . ."two or three acorn people"? Can you be any more of an apologist for ACORN? Sweet Jesus.

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"At least 11 states have been investigating ACORN -- the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now -- for alleged voter registration fraud stemming from the general election in 2008."

With more investigations on the way. And there's this--from the Obama administration:

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"'I think the first time I heard of this incident to which you refer was last evening,' [FBI Director Robert] Mueller said. 'Clearly, given what you have said, it's something in consultation with the Department of Justice that we would look at.'"

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/US/09/16/us.acorn/

It just burns your ass that this shit is finally starting to stick to ACORN, doesn't it?

9/17/2009 3:07:31 AM

not really. sorry. i dont really know anything about acorn, other than all teh negative press. if they're as shoddy as it appears, then fuck 'em.

it's just retarded that all you people are acting like it somehow reflects on the democratic party in general.


(and "two or three" refers to the number of people involved in the hidden camera prostitute entrapment thing)



[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 3:13 AM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 3:12:26 AM

^

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"i dont really know anything about acorn. . . ."

I guess ACORN's sort of confusing to you--kind of like the executive branch of government, right? And--once again--you admit that you don't know WTF you're babbling about.

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"it's just retarded that all you people are acting like it somehow reflects on the democratic party in general."

Who the fuck is "you people"? And you reveal much here: Who cares what ACORN may have done, right? As long as it doesn't fuck with the Democrats!

Quote :

"(and 'two or three' refers to the number of people involved in the hidden camera prostitute entrapment thing)"

And there's more than "two or three" ACORN employees involved in this scandal du jour, too, dummy.

In any event, the Los Angeles Times has it right:

From ACORN, a mighty controversy grows
After the release of several videos highlighting atrocious behavior by some of its workers, the liberal advocacy group needs to clean house.
September 16, 2009

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-ed-acorn16-2009sep16,0,1980998.story

9/17/2009 3:36:25 AM

I'd say that this prostitute thing is much ado about nothing.

9/17/2009 6:12:40 AM

When you employ poor, underprivleged African-Americans with an enmity towards "the man" to empower other poor, underprivleged folks, then you get this kind of shady shit.

9/17/2009 8:49:15 AM

The federal funding is 2% of ACORNs annual budget, so congratulations on accomplishing absolutely nothing, Conservatives.

9/17/2009 8:52:06 AM

If nothing else they made one of Obama's biggest supporting organizations look real bad. They'd probably view that as a win, regardless.

9/17/2009 9:55:09 AM

What O'Keefe and Giles did is no different than what Chris Hanson does...

9/17/2009 1:14:16 PM

You're comparing ACORN workers to sex predators?

Wow, just wow...

9/17/2009 1:26:44 PM

Chris Hansen can suck a dick. Dateline is an entrapment shit-pile that seeks to profit from baiting people into commiting a crime and the humiliating aftermath.

9/17/2009 1:32:05 PM

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"If nothing else they made one of Obama's biggest supporting organizations look real bad. They'd probably view that as a win, regardless."

Yep. This was the goal, and they succeeded.

9/17/2009 2:07:02 PM

This is the exact same technique THE POLICE use when they set up drug stings, prostitution stings, loaded cars, ect....this type of information is ACCEPTED IN A COURT OF LAW. Arguing against the technique used is absolutely pointless.

These citizens captured tax payer money being used to fund illegal activities. ALL TAX PAYERS SHOULD BE THRILLED! I dont understand how you can complain about this. No wait, its the same old story once again.....you have to protect Obama/Democrats.

Take Obama/Democrats out of the story and you'll celebrate.......put Obama/Democrats in the story and suddenly its excuse/blame the messenger/racism claim time

9/17/2009 3:13:21 PM

It's a bit more complex that that.

9/17/2009 3:14:36 PM

I wonder how often pimps and prostitutes show up to ACORN offices to have their taxes done.

I would also think the Right would be thrilled to find out that even ACORN employees have a disdain for the government and taxation.

9/17/2009 3:17:33 PM

I guess this can go here and wherever else:

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"Every time the GOP has a birth certificate debunked, there's another fucking story from them as to why it was debunked and how they're the poor little victim being picked on for speaking out. Debating them is like trying to kill terrorism by killing terrorists; you can't claim victory by giving the motherfuckers the death they desire. You can't beat these pieces of shit in a debate because they aren't expecting to "win" a debate, they just want people to look at them talking with someone who has credibility as though Detroit is a better football team for having gotten the shit kicked out of them by New Orleans. Portraying The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, as a half-naked witch doctor? Rational debate on policy. Hitler? Why, that's just talking about the issues. The Joker? Hey, we're just attacking his positions here. These are people who call The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama a Socialist or a Communist or a Nazi or a Fascist or a Terrorist or any combination of those, and keep a straight face. They believe the bullshit, wholeheartedly. It's like listening to the Jonestown tapes, and I say that because these people are repeating completely truthless and baseless accusations like they're giving you the time of day. They've gotten crazier SINCE the election because at least back then they had McCain to tell them, "No, he's not a terrorist" and at least feign the voice of moderation. Now, well, fuck that, they're looking at retiring him. They're looking at purging anyone from The Party that dares say that The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama is NOT a Socialist, Communist, Terrorist, any of those things. Would I say racism plays a part in the squealing opposition? Yes, I would wager that there is more than a good whiff of racism in some of the more extreme examples of the teabaggers, and some of the representatives in Congress have let things slip that aren't so savory, but it's small beans compared to the shit their constituents are peddling. You see, it isn't that Dick Armey is a racist, because I would say he probably isn't much of one. It's that he doesn't denounce racism. I mean, Anyone here would denounce racism or child abuse or molestation, so what's the big deal with having a bunch of GOP movers and shakers flat-out telling people that racism is wrong and it has no place in their party? It's probably partly that they need the votes, or maybe that a lot of the GOP in power now have hated the shit out of America since around 1964. That's why things like the ERA haven't gotten passed, and that's why The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama is encountering so many loony-bin escapees. Again, it's not that people like Dick Armey are racists in the vein of Strom Thurmond, but they recognize that they can often count on getting the votes of blatant racists because they are masters of playing the dogwhistle. They're great at getting someone every now and then to call The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama "uppity" or compare his wife to a gorilla, and then not issue so much as a "well, we certainly do not condone the actions of the individual in question." They know they can get away with it because the news will be about the "rogue congressman" from bumfuck as opposed to the stunning silence from his peers."

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 3:21 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 3:20:50 PM

^^^No, its really not.

I dont care if these 2 citizens were aliens from Mars; their actions saved taxpayers from potentially funding illegal activities. YOU SIMPLY CANNOT DENY THIS!

Since ACORN is potentially linked to Obama and aboslutely linked to Democrats, you oppose and belittle the OBVIOUS GAIN FOR THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER....right or wrong?

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 3:23 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2009 3:22:16 PM

^ torture is also illegal by our laws.

Do you have the same glee for saving taxpayers from funding illegal activities?

Your feigned concern for the tax payers is pathetically transparent.

9/17/2009 3:25:56 PM

wheres the link to the video of us torturing people?

9/17/2009 3:26:50 PM

if only people had the same disdain for military contractors that take part in illegalities.

9/17/2009 3:27:21 PM