lets go golden bears!

[Edited on March 6, 2010 at 8:02 PM. Reason : 71-61 Cal, no title for Sendek]

3/6/2010 7:35:28 PM

Quote :

"I find it crazy that a team with a 12-6 record in a major conference can't make it into the NCAA tourney. Has it ever happened that a major conference has only sent one team since the field expanded to 64??"

no, it has never happened

3/6/2010 9:09:28 PM

Lunardi just moved ASU into the bracket

granted they're the last of the "last 4 in"....but in nonetheless

3/7/2010 1:53:59 AM

Herb won Coach of the Year!

lost a lottery pick and the 1st pick of the second round...picked 7th...finished 2nd

definitely deserved it

3/8/2010 1:55:38 PM

Hey man Sid was picked to come in 12th and came in 11th! /adder. Lol he bases everything on predictions so Herb must be the best coach ever.

3/8/2010 1:57:19 PM

do you have ASU season tickets too? Do you contribute to their clubs? Just wondering since you love their coach and hate State's, yet you pay for State season tix. Its definitely a fair question.

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 2:03 PM. Reason : question for packboozie btw, not for ncstatetke]

3/8/2010 1:59:24 PM

i've said it a million times....i didn't care whatsoever for ASU before Herb and I won't care about them after he leaves and his last player there graduates. Herb is the only reason I care at all about a school 2,238 miles away

but you know that! you're just trying to get my goose

3/8/2010 2:01:53 PM

PAGES

3/8/2010 2:01:53 PM

thank God for adblock! that shit would get annoying

3/8/2010 2:16:31 PM

I realize this thread is about Arizona State....which I do not dispute. Hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!


I realize this thread is about Arizona State....which I do not dispute. Hear me out, maybe I can offer some insight.

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

3/8/2010 2:38:30 PM

Lunardi has been having them in the "last 4 in" in most of his recent Sportscenter segments.

3/8/2010 2:58:53 PM

he has them against the Terps right now

that would be a nightmare matchup for ASU.

3/8/2010 3:19:01 PM

Maryland wouldn't want any part of Herb.
Any Herb coached team is a nightmare for anyone without elite talent, and Maryland is not elite. No one wants to play in a game that ends up in the 40's or 50s. The margin of error is too small to be comfortable. Now when the weaklings get eliminated, that's when a Herb coached team becomes no threat. I would never bet against HS in a first round game.



[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 3:47 PM. Reason : fashion ftw]

3/8/2010 3:30:56 PM

just like last year.

they beat Temple, then lost to some no-name squad from Syracuse, NY

3/8/2010 3:32:25 PM

I feel like Herb did pretty well against Maryland during his tenure here. He didn't dominate them like he did Paul Hewitt, but he fared well considering they had some pretty damn good teams while he was here.

(Although I still stay the game we choked away against Maryland in Herb's 3rd or 4th year here prevented us from becoming a national power!!! we never recovered....)

3/8/2010 3:34:03 PM

Quote :

"Any Herb coached team is a nightmare for anyone without elite talent"

signed BYU, Baylor, UCLA, USC, and Arizona.

3/8/2010 3:41:26 PM

i'm confused....i know that Herb beat 3 out of those 5 teams and i know that all 5 of those teams have superior talent than ASU

am I missing something here?

3/8/2010 3:44:23 PM

Quote :

"just like last year. they beat Temple, then lost to some no-name squad from Syracuse, NY"

Well yeah, just like last year.

3/8/2010 3:48:53 PM

WTLY

3/8/2010 3:51:31 PM

Quote :

"i know that Herb beat 3 out of those 5 teams and i know that all 5 of those teams have superior talent than ASU"

He also lost to all of them, and I think you have a hard time arguing any of those teams have "elite" talent

3/8/2010 3:56:18 PM

Haha, all I'm trying to say is that I wouldn't be shocked it they beat Maryland or any other non-elite team early in the tourney. His style is great for early round tourney play.

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 3:58 PM. Reason : f]

3/8/2010 3:57:07 PM

is it?

3/8/2010 4:01:58 PM

^^^ yeah, I'd say:

1) Lacedarius Dunn/Tweety Carter/Quincy Acy
2) Jimmer Fredette/Jackson Emery/Jon Tavernari
3) Nic Wise/Kyle Fogg/Derrick Williams

are all superior to Derek Glasser/Jamelle McMillan/Eric Boateng


(i can't explain the hiccups at UCLA and USC. bad, bad losses)

3/8/2010 4:17:03 PM

Quote :

"are all superior to Derek Glasser/Jamelle McMillan/Eric Boateng"

Im not arguing that those teams aren't more talented than ASU, just that they don't have ELITE talent.

Oh and you aren't fooling anyone with this one

Quote :

"2) Jimmer Fredette/Jackson Emery/Jon Tavernari "

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 4:24 PM. Reason : .]

3/8/2010 4:21:32 PM

i never once said "elite"....didn't even say "more athletic"

just said superior

[Edited on March 8, 2010 at 4:25 PM. Reason : you remember Jimmer, right? Mr. 49 at McKale]

3/8/2010 4:24:27 PM

You're obviously missing the fact that I was responding to this post:

Quote :

"Any Herb coached team is a nightmare for anyone without elite talent"

3/8/2010 4:27:53 PM

oh, i know

3/8/2010 4:36:34 PM

Quote :

"some no-name squad from Syracuse, NY"

hahah I love Syracuse this year in a strictly UNC-ammo sense

When UNC talks about all their players leaving early and going to the NBA, I like to point out how Syracuse lost their top 3 scorers and play in a better conference, and yet are still a top 5 team

Its funny when UNC fans bring up how young their team is and then you counter with Kentucky, and they're like, "well John Wall is an exceptional player" and I'm like "yeah well why didn't Roy recruit a player who grew up a half hour from UNC" and they're like "well, uh, I guess he should have"

3/8/2010 4:43:07 PM

To be fair, if Syracuse had Wes available last year they were probably Top 5...

3/8/2010 5:29:42 PM

Bump for this gem

http://www.gogoraleigh.com/2010/03/11/a-blurb-on-herb/

Quote :

" A Blurb On Herb In spring of 2006 Herb Sendek accepted a job offer from Arizona State, ending his 10-year tenure as N.C. State’s basketball coach. While the coach had led the Wolfpack to five straight NCAA tournament appearances, attendance was poor during Sendek’s tenure, and many Wolfpack fans felt that Sendek had reached his potential as the school’s coach. While N.C. State did not fire Sendek, they made no effort to retain the coach when Arizona State came calling. Venomous criticism of Wolfpack fans ensued from the national basketball world. Sendek’s former boss, Rick Pitino, said, "He’s not Jimmy Valvano, and that’s something N.C. State couldn’t understand," says Louisville coach Rick Pitino, who hired Sendek as an assistant at Providence and Kentucky. "The fans don’t understand how good he is." ESPN analyst Dick Vitale called Sendek "a steal for ASU. He got totally frustrated about never being truly accepted" at North Carolina State. "There you better have a lot of personality. That’s why Jimmy V was such a big success. Personality plays a big part in trying to offset the popularity and strength of Duke and North Carolina. The comment that stirred the most response, however, was Gregg Doyal of CBSSports.com who wrote: Wolfpack fans should be ashamed. In a day and age where coaches outright cheat or clandestinely cut so many corners that emergency ethics meetings are called, Sendek was honorable. For a guy as smart as he was, he was too dumb to cheat, too naïve to know that you almost can’t win at a place like N.C. State without looking the other way. But he was such a good coach, he won in spite of himself. Around the country, coaches know. Sendek was treated shabbily by Wolfpack nation — by sniping fans, reader-pandering media and an administration that never once stood up and said ENOUGH! So, Sendek left the “unrealistic fanbase” for a happier place. Finally, he would be appreciated for his work, right? After all, it took Arizona State 30 years to make 5 NCAA trips, and they had only had three 20-win seasons in the past 25 years. It stands to reason that a coach that comes in and goes 75-53 in his first four seasons would electrify the fanbase and be regarded as a hero. Right? Arizona State plays their home games in the 14,000-seat Wells Fargo Arena in Phoenix, the 5th largest city in the United States. These fans, after so many years of bad basketball, should fill the place up after last year’s 25-10 season. This season has been good so far, but not quite as successful. The team is 22-9, has an RPI ranking of #54, and stands a good shot of getting back into the NCAA tournament with a good showing this weekend. Reality, though, is a quite different thing. Average attendance at Arizona State’s home games was 7,765 (55% capacity) this season, down 17% from last season. In only 36% of the games did they exceed that average. Sendek’s team only drew more than 10,000 fans twice in 19 games. Only 57% of the time was the arena even half full. No wonder Sendek thought the RBC Center would be “an unmitigated disaster” if its capacity exceeded 15,000. Yes, it is the same old Herb. Put together a schedule with some horrendously awful non-conference nobodies at home, lose to good teams on the road, and never win a game you aren’t supposed to win. It appears that Arizona State fans are voting with their feet. People in Phoenix would rather be doing almost anything else than watching Herb Sendek’s team. In a couple of years they will start to grumble, and the rallying cry from the media and Pitino protégés will start again. Yet nobody will acknowledge that it wasn’t repulsive fans that ended Sendek’s term in Raleigh. It was his repulsive product."

3/11/2010 12:45:45 AM

Ahh yes hating on his system. Never heard that before.

This is mostly definitely [new]

3/11/2010 1:02:41 AM

Quote :

"are all superior to Derek Glasser/Jamelle McMillan/Eric Boateng"

well who's fault is that? Rob Evans? Don Bocchi? ITS YEAR FOUR HERB, THESE ARE YOUR PLAYERS

i like how you listed derrick williams for arizona, a freshman non-superstar recruit that chose a team in disarray who just hired a new coach over az state

^^ that would be a good piece if the author had deleted that whiny last paragraph that makes it a dead giveaway he's a bitter NCSU fan

3/11/2010 1:14:46 AM

who are you?

3/11/2010 1:41:57 AM

^^it's pointless to try and argue with him, earlier on this page he tried to sell 3 of BYU's starters as superior to 3 of ASU's starters despite the fact that BYU hasn't gotten a 4 star recruit since like 2004.

3/11/2010 2:21:41 AM

this is the no-spin zone


on a different note -- God, it's gonna be disappointing when Stanford beats ASU tonight. everything is lining up a lil' too well for the Devils to get an at-large....UCONN, Seton Hall, Illinois, all the mid-major locks are holding serve.

3/11/2010 7:27:03 AM

they'll get in, the selection committee has too much "respect" for Sendek. I'm praying for a miracle run from the Wildcats, it'll will be sad to see the streak die

[Edited on March 11, 2010 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

3/11/2010 1:33:09 PM

anybody surprised by the way this stanford game is goin'?

3/11/2010 10:34:31 PM

NIT

3/11/2010 11:13:56 PM

ooooh, that game was ugly as fuck

bright spot -- they'll be a #1 or #2 seed in the NIT and get a few home games

bad note -- there will be 500 fans there to watch those games

3/12/2010 12:13:56 AM

Classic Herb, he normally pulls this type of shit in the NCAAs...ncstatetke totally called it though, so I have to give him credit.

3/12/2010 12:13:57 AM

good game lol

3/12/2010 12:14:00 AM

Herb doesn't take the shots, make passes, play bad defense.

I still lol at people enjoying Herb losing as much as us winning. It's pathetic.

3/12/2010 12:18:03 AM

i lol at the people who give a fuck about arizona state when nc state just won an acc tourney game

you a close follower of les robinson's career too? did you ever take classes at arizona state?

3/12/2010 12:19:34 AM

Not me chief. I haven't watched a single ASU game this year.

I just come in here to read the stupidity and insults.

Les went to the Citadel, and yes I liked seeing his teams do well

[Edited on March 12, 2010 at 12:21 AM. Reason : I'll do the same if/when Sidney moves on]

3/12/2010 12:20:48 AM

dont want to get into it tonight and i doubt you do either

but there are still sid naysayers and sendek apologists...i appreciate what herb did for us, but his time came and went...sid has us winning 4 of the last 5 with a couple 5-star recruits coming in...im content with our program right now...and i'll feel free to have a small laugh when asu loses because it means less people will rag on sidney over and over and compare him to herb

its not even about bashing herb honestly...its about defending sid, who last i checked, was NC State's coach, not the coach of some school 2000 miles away

3/12/2010 12:23:13 AM

Quote :

"i appreciate what herb did for us, but his time came and went"

all that needs to be said

3/12/2010 12:24:50 AM

god. pack boozie rides herbs cock hard.

BRING BACK LES ROBINSON AT LEAST WE BEAT UNC??!??!??

3/12/2010 12:25:46 AM

Prick Pride has 90 pages of laughs whenever ASU loses or Herb gets mentioned in a blog

wowzers

3/12/2010 12:27:13 AM

Herb vs Lowe in the NIT

It could happen.

3/12/2010 12:27:18 AM

^i predicted it...it would be pretty damn epic for an NIT matchup, at least to State fans

3/12/2010 12:27:45 AM