Your scenarios aren't analogous.

It was a rally with 70,000 people (OR OMG 2 MILLION), with full support of the establishment.

The Democratic Party isn't run by William Ayers. Reverend Wright doesn't have the #1 radio show on AM radio.

9/17/2009 8:48:24 PM

GLENN BECK

JEREMIAH WRIGHT

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

RUSH LIMBAUGH

BILL AYERS

WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?


[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 8:51 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 8:50:56 PM

A couple million followers, corporate sponsorship, and total support from a major American political party.

But other than that, they're just two sides of the same coin.

9/17/2009 8:52:29 PM

How many of those 70,000 people were nut jobs and how many were people who simply were looking for jobs?

We might be getting some signals crossed as far as the arguments I'm addressing being arguments that you didn't necessarily make, hence your replies having different assumptions than the points I'm making

For example God "estimated" that 34% of America (half of whites) were racist...thats roughly 100 million Americans...I fail to see how 70,000 of them are representative of all of them, although I'd further argue that nowhere near to all 70,000 of them were as radical and nutjob as were portrayed in the media...even still his math is fucked

9/17/2009 8:53:46 PM

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"The Democratic Party isn't run by William Ayers. Reverend Wright doesn't have the #1 radio show on AM radio. "

exactly

It’s not racist to oppose Obama.

It’s just that the face of the opposition has largely been crazies and racists. It’s hard to say how these people break down as percentages because you can’t really easily poll to see who is racist and who isn’t, but at the very least, the right hasn’t been doing anything to deter these people coming out of the woodwork (and Glen Beck and Limbaugh have been encouraging them to make their views known). And as treetwista said in another thread, sometimes it doesn’t matter what the reality is, when the public perception is one way.

9/17/2009 8:55:32 PM

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"Part of the reason no one really understands the health care bills is because none of the major print outlets have devoted any significant press to what is actually in the bills. Liberal or not, the press is incompetent when it comes to uncovering actual stories."

Best thing said on the last page.

Like 1% of all press coverage deals with details of the proposed bills, if that. The other 99% are about tea baggers, death panels, Beck's idiocy, and healthcare horror stories.

Of course the reason for this is that the details aren't sensational or interesting. The sad reality is the press has no interest in a nuanced debate and most Americans wouldn't pay attention if they were.

9/17/2009 8:55:54 PM

I was pulling a number out of my ass to appease you.

But I am certain that anyone who talks about "not wanting to give money to Laquisha the welfare queen and her six kids" is a fucking racist.

9/17/2009 8:56:06 PM

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"GLENN BECK JEREMIAH WRIGHT WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? RUSH LIMBAUGH BILL AYERS WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?"

seriously? really? did Glenn Beck every declare death to black people? did rush limbaugh ever plot to bomb a government building? and yall say my analogies are bad...you're talking about some fucking talk show hosts and comparing them to a blatant racist "reverend" and a domestic terrorist

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"It’s just that the face of the opposition has largely been crazies and racists. It’s hard to say how these people break down as percentages because you can’t really easily poll to see who is racist and who isn’t, but at the very least, the right hasn’t been doing anything to deter these people coming out of the woodwork (and Glen Beck and Limbaugh have been encouraging them to make their views known)."

but why are they the face of opposition? because they're the ones that get on the air...that doesnt mean they speak for most people but they definitely alter public opinion...but you cant ever completely curb racism...and obviously, FTR, you have racists on both sides...but as soon as people start silencing anything even construed as being racist, we then have a 1st amendment issue on our hands

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 8:59 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2009 8:56:11 PM

Which is more harmful, one person inciting a million people (Limbaugh) or one person alone (Ayers)?

9/17/2009 8:57:50 PM

"Half of white people" is dumb, unless he has some sort of proof for it.

But seriously, to say racism isn't a significant component is naive.

Obama's just turning the dial a tick or two past Bush's bailout-haing/gov't healthcare/deficit-making policies. This reaction is waaaaay out of proportion. It's either racism or partisan hackery.

I'll give Republicans the benefit of the doubt and say it's mostly partisan hackery, though.


^^ Did Wright ever say "death to white people?" Not that I'm aware of. And "bombing a government building" carried connotations that I'm not sure apply to Ayers' activities.

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 9:03 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 8:59:12 PM

Partisan hackery, while retarded, is much more likely, and not nearly as bad as plain racism

^^inciting how? like sharing ideas, however rational or radical they may be, or PHYSICALLY PLOTTING TO BOMB THE UNITED STATES CAPITAL BUILDING?

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 9:01 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2009 9:00:52 PM

^^ i agree, it’s mostly partisan hackery.

it doesn’t change the fact that certain people try to incite normal latent racism to bring people to their side.

[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 9:01 PM. Reason : ]

9/17/2009 9:01:38 PM

I'm glad the Wolf Web consensus from all sides is finally "Republicans are partisan hacks."

9/17/2009 9:04:46 PM

it is, but don't kid yourself by saying democrats are different

ok edit done

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"Did Wright ever say "death to white people?" Not that I'm aware of. And "bombing a government building" carried connotations that I'm not sure apply to Ayers' activities."

My bad, Wright didn't say death to white people, just "God Damn America"...I was confusing those, but he is obviously still a racist, just go to youtube if you are unaware

as far as Ayers, he admits in his own published memoirs that he was involved in bombings of not only the US Capitol, but also the Pentagon...I thought this was common knowledge


[Edited on September 17, 2009 at 9:18 PM. Reason : wrong about wright's comments, i was thinking of the ncsu professor ]

9/17/2009 9:05:32 PM

Apparently Time magazine doesn't like Glenn Beck. I for one kind of agree. As a conservative Republican, I feel like he misrepresents conservative America.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1924348-1,00.html

9/17/2009 9:29:30 PM

As a liberal democrat, I don't think he misrepresents you at all.

But I imagine our opinions of Beck are very similar.

9/17/2009 9:33:56 PM

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"wrong about wright's comments, i was thinking of the ncsu professor"

They all look alike, don't they?

9/17/2009 9:47:06 PM

i like how you can pull the race card, even when i'm talking about audio clips

9/17/2009 10:21:32 PM

I just want to say to everyone's credit at the rally, there were no overtly racist signs or remarks made.

For example, there were no signs saying "Obama is a nigger." or showing some ape-like caricature of him, or anything along those lines. At least nothing that I have seen. The african witch doctor picture is the only thing close, but I would hardly call that offensive.

So, I see that as progress.

I do wish people would stop playing the race card and give people the benefit of the doubt a little more. It hurt's your credibility.

9/17/2009 10:41:16 PM

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"The Democratic Party isn't run by William Ayers. Reverend Wright doesn't have the #1 radio show on AM radio."

Nope. But they both have had (and one still has) the ear of the President of the United States.

Don't be so naive as to think only the loudest voices on AM radio effect policy in the United States. The vast majority of decisions that will affect your life and my life are made by people we'll never even hear of.

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"I'm glad the Wolf Web consensus from all sides is finally "Republicans are partisan hacks.""

Both parties are hacks. The only difference is that the Democrats are able to hide behind their blatant vote-pandering by an apparently seamless union between their statist ideology and their statist voting record. The GOP has the unfortunate burden of being hypocrites on top of statists.

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"Which is more harmful, one person inciting a million people (Limbaugh)"

If you're going to make an asinine assertion like that, do you care to back it up with numbers? Inciting a million people to what exactly? I personally think Rush Limbaugh is a colossal pile of ignorance but it isn't like his fans are out there lynching every black, Mexican, and Asian they can get their hands on.


Quite frankly, white Americans are tired of being put on a guilt trip for being white. I'm going to get shit for this but I'm going to say it and go to bed, the white Democratic leadership and the Black leadership in the United States have no interest in advancing Black Americans as a whole. They're interested in keeping a reliable underclass which will vote them into office with stunning regularity (90% of the black vote goes to Democratic politicians) while playing the race boogey-man every 2 - 6 years to ensure reelection.

Victimhood is the currency of their power. What does the NAACP do when racial harmony is achieved? What do people like Jesse Jackson, whose only skill is racial extortion, do when the have no more work? Why should non-Blacks (because, quite frankly tensions between "Black American"* and "Asians" or "Mexicans" isn't particularly better than with "White America") continue to attempt a dialogue with these leaders when they're shouted down as racists any time they stray from the pre-approved cultural script?

It is telling when Bill Cosby stands up to tell "Black America" that the power to change lies not in the patronizing soft parentalism of the white establishment but in the dedication and hard work of black men and women everywhere that he is essentially shouted down by so called black leaders.


*I put that in quotes because I believe every man is a man and only defined by his own race so far as he chooses to define himself.

9/17/2009 10:49:13 PM

I can’t say I really agree with everything there, but I found it amusing nonetheless:

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"The rise in whites accusing blacks of racism is the inevitable result of years of black identity politics, which created a blueprint for whites who feel threatened by America's changing demographics, says Carol Swain, a Vanderbilt University professor and author of "The New White Nationalism In America." "We need to rethink what is racist and who can legitimately call whom racist," Swain said, citing the argument that blacks can't be racist because racism requires power. … Perhaps this is a strange symbol of racial progress — equal-opportunity victimization, so to speak. "In 100 years, when people chronicle how America got past race," said McWhorter, "the uptick in white people calling blacks racist is going to be seen as a symptom of the end.” "

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hgbvXT1pzalqgsKAEWJkqD2HVk6AD9APDLM00

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 1:01 AM. Reason : ]

9/18/2009 12:59:10 AM

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"Quite frankly, white Americans are tired of being put on a guilt trip for being white. I'm going to get shit for this but I'm going to say it and go to bed, the white Democratic leadership and the Black leadership in the United States have no interest in advancing Black Americans as a whole. They're interested in keeping a reliable underclass which will vote them into office with stunning regularity (90% of the black vote goes to Democratic politicians) while playing the race boogey-man every 2 - 6 years to ensure reelection. Victimhood is the currency of their power. What does the NAACP do when racial harmony is achieved? What do people like Jesse Jackson, whose only skill is racial extortion, do when the have no more work? Why should non-Blacks (because, quite frankly tensions between "Black American"* and "Asians" or "Mexicans" isn't particularly better than with "White America") continue to attempt a dialogue with these leaders when they're shouted down as racists any time they stray from the pre-approved cultural script? It is telling when Bill Cosby stands up to tell "Black America" that the power to change lies not in the patronizing soft parentalism of the white establishment but in the dedication and hard work of black men and women everywhere that he is essentially shouted down by so called black leaders. *I put that in quotes because I believe every man is a man and only defined by his own race so far as he chooses to define himself."

AND FOR THAT MATTER, WHY ISN'T THERE A WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION?

9/18/2009 8:27:59 AM

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"I just want to say to everyone's credit at the rally, there were no overtly racist signs or remarks made. "

Uh -



"the muslims are moving in and taking over" is a pretty racially driven statement as well.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/12/tea-party-protester-we-th_n_284701.html

And they wouldn't be calling him a muslim if he was white.





[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 9:03 AM. Reason : .]

9/18/2009 8:59:20 AM

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" the white Democratic leadership and the Black leadership in the United States have no interest in advancing Black Americans as a whole. They're interested in keeping a reliable underclass which will vote them into office with stunning regularity (90% of the black vote goes to Democratic politicians) while playing the race boogey-man every 2 - 6 years to ensure reelection."

what are you basing this on? Because if you look at statistics for the African American community, they fared MUCH better under clinton era policies than really any admin prior. Certain things even got worse for them under Bush 2 era policies (like HS dropout rates).

You’re completely wrong that they are only interested in maintaining an reliable underclass, and the data indicates otherwise.

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"It is telling when Bill Cosby stands up to tell "Black America" that the power to change lies not in the patronizing soft parentalism of the white establishment but in the dedication and hard work of black men and women everywhere that he is essentially shouted down by so called black leaders. "

Do you actually know any black people? Do you really think they needed Bill Cosby to say this, or that Bill Cosby saying this was anything new to their community? I don’t get the obsession some whites have for Bill Cosby, it’s bizarre. And was Bill Cosby right recently when he said he agrees with Carter?

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"Quite frankly, white Americans are tired of being put on a guilt trip for being white."

haha this is such a hilarious statement. Poor white people, can’t catch a break.

9/18/2009 9:03:15 AM

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"the white Democratic leadership and the Black leadership in the United States have no interest in advancing Black Americans as a whole. They're interested in keeping a reliable underclass which will vote them into office with stunning regularity (90% of the black vote goes to Democratic politicians) while playing the race boogey-man every 2 - 6 years to ensure reelection."

They don't even have to do that. Republicans' "Southern Strategy" have done a stunning job of informing blacks that they're not interested in black votes.

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"Quite frankly, white Americans are tired of being put on a guilt trip for being white."

I don't get why white people would feel guilty for being white just because blacks/asians/Mexicans point out that the system favors them. The system favors men and I've never felt guilty about being a man.

9/18/2009 9:36:14 AM

I wonder if Chinese people feel guilty in China because their system favors them too.

9/18/2009 10:17:20 AM

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"Poor white people, can’t catch a break. "

you're never going to have equality if you keep saying the most retarded shit ever, like this quote, and if you keep perpetuating the completely idiotic idea that white people can't be discriminated against, and that somehow its ok to be racist to white people because there is institutionalized racism

THAT is racism, yet you are the one quick to pull the race card

doesnt make any sense, does it

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 10:36 AM. Reason : .]

9/18/2009 10:34:39 AM

9/18/2009 10:38:33 AM

i'm gonna post that picture every time one of you retards pulls the race card

9/18/2009 10:40:41 AM

go ahead. that had nothing to do with race though, just your whining in general.

9/18/2009 10:44:03 AM

why don't you whine some more about how Russia had nothing to do with Obama pussying out of the missile defense system

9/18/2009 10:47:43 AM

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"Quite frankly, white Americans are tired of being put on a guilt trip for being white."

9/18/2009 10:48:23 AM

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"if you look at statistics for the African American community, they fared MUCH better under clinton era policies than really any admin prior"

So does Clinton get the credit or does the Republican majority in the House and Senate for six of his eight years get the credit? The Democratic party held the House of Representatives (which holds the powers of the purse and is the originating body for legislation) from 1946 through 1992. Presidents came and went, the Democratic party had a pretty solid lock on policy and money for the greater part of a century.

The rising tide of the dot-com bubble of the 1990s lifted a lot of boats. The reason this didn't hold true in the 2000s was the fact that the economic growth was centered largely around the defense industry and the unsustainable housing bubble.

I suppose an argument could be made for the concept that the President giving "hope" but I don't know how quantifiable that is. What specific policies would you say caused the drop out rate under Bush 43 to increase?


The fact of the matter is, both parties have their constituencies. In the 1930s, the Democratic party under Roosevelt learned that they could essentially buy votes through government handouts. The only thing they'd need to do come election time was imply that the other guy was going to take them away. This tradition continues today. People following politics in the 1990s remember the wails of Democratic politicians who assured us that the poor and the elderly would be eating cat food if the Republicans had their way. Fear and dependency are the two strongest campaigners for the Democratic party. (Granted the GOP is all about fear and security, which isn't a whole lot different).

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"Do you actually know any black people?"

My high school was about a 50/50 split. I've spent 7 years in the Army six in a relatively diverse MOS. I had the good fortune of having some pretty frank talks with some of the guys I worked with. Yes, I know black people. More importantly, I didn't feel the need to think of them as black people or treat them as black people.

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"I don’t get the obsession some whites have for Bill Cosby, it’s bizarre."

Ok, I laughed a bit at this because you're right. He's got this nice harmless appearance and a lot of white people want to just say, "see, why can't you be more like Dr. Huxtable." Reality is a lot different, but there isn't going to be any meaningful conversation on race if every time a white person tries to discuss race with someone they start responding like God has in this thread.

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"haha this is such a hilarious statement. Poor white people, can’t catch a break."

You know what, for a lot of them, they can't. Median income adjusted for inflation in the US since 1970 has declined. Many of the workers who've lost their jobs to outsourcing and automation are white. When you spin around and paint them with a giant guilt brush saying that the "system" (which isn't particularly serving them) is biased against blacks, they're not interested in hearing it. Yes many of the beneficiaries from, say, the bailout were white, but it isn't as if a bunch of laid off workers are sitting around saying, "Jesus my life sucks, but at least our white brothers at Goldman Sachs are holding it down for the race."

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"Republicans' "Southern Strategy" have done a stunning job of informing blacks that they're not interested in black votes."

You make a good point. The GOP actually has a lot to offer new Mexican immigrants in my opinion, but I don't think they're getting that message across.

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"I don't get why white people would feel guilty for being white just because blacks/asians/Mexicans point out that the system favors them."

I'm not sure many do, they're just tired of being told they should feel guilty when most are working pretty damn hard on a daily basis to keep what they've got.

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"The system favors men and I've never felt guilty about being a man."

Highly debatable. Women are outperforming men in most major categories right now and, when adjusted for experience and time in the workplace, women's wages are on par with men's right now. More women are getting college degrees, those who chose not to have children are advancing further, female CEOs are some of the most profitable CEOs right now, and money dedicated to predominantly female diseases far outstrips those dedicated to males.

9/18/2009 10:48:39 AM

God, how much has institutionalized racism in this country hurt Obama? (you know, since he's benefited from modern day programs without having to deal with his ancestors being in slavery)

Best of both worlds, eh?

9/18/2009 10:50:15 AM

No one is pulling the fucking "race card" (what does that even mean anyway?), we're calling a spade a spade. Maybe not everyone that attends these rallies and protests are racists and bigots, but they sure as shit aren't doing anything to discourage the people who blatantly are.

It's no different than religious extremists. All we're saying is that these people better start being careful about the rhetoric they are spewing. The last time these people got as worked up as they are now, we ended up with Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph.

9/18/2009 10:57:49 AM

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"but they sure as shit aren't doing anything to discourage the people who blatantly are. "

this is what it comes down to

9/18/2009 10:59:54 AM

^^^ So you're saying it's okay for blacks to have a net harder time moving up, because they actually CAN move up?

9/18/2009 11:09:41 AM

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"No one is pulling the fucking "race card""

The race card got pulled pretty early in this debate by the Democratic leadership. They were taken by surprise at a lot of the anger at town hall meetings and at the tax protests and their only response was, "well these people must hate having a black president."

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"(what does that even mean anyway?)"

Assuming your question isn't rhetorical, it means implying the position of your opposition is somewhat less valid because of a vague charge of racism which may or may not be accurate.

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"we're calling a spade a spade"

I've been called a racist for using this term.

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"Maybe not everyone that attends these rallies and protests are racists and bigots, but they sure as shit aren't doing anything to discourage the people who blatantly are."

I think you're half right. I think Obama's unusual background gives a lot of, quite frankly ignorant, Americans pause. I don't think it is overt hatred of him because he is black. Let's be honest, not many Americans can identify with his up-bringing. There are a lot who identify with him because he is black, even though he is without the typical background of a Black American. There are a lot who oppose him because not only are they not able to identify with his upbringing, he has been deliberately vague about his past. Even Democratic pundits in the midst of the election admitted that nobody knows much about Barack Obama's background. People fear what is different and unknown. People are (justly or unjustly) worried that a man who does not share their fundamental values occupies the Presidency of the United States. I don't think this fear is based on his skin color.

9/18/2009 11:13:18 AM

and people share the background of most presidents? i call bullshit. sure i don't think it's SOLELY his race people are uncomfortable with, but it's certainly a large contributing factor. i talked to a lot of people door to door last fall during the campaign. and there is racism out there. plenty of it.

9/18/2009 11:15:59 AM

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"So you're saying it's okay for blacks to have a net harder time moving up, because they actually CAN move up?"

I don't know how this is what you got from my last post. The argument by God was that whites inherently benefit from institutionalized racism...ie they are in a better position because their ancestors might have owned slaves (let alone the millions that didnt), giving them a leg up in this country...and that blacks have an inherent disadvantage because their ancestors were slaves in this country and they've had to get past that

My question is in regards to Obama, whose mom was white (so did he benefit from institutionalized racism because his mom was white?) and his dad came to the United States on his own (ie, he wasn't a part of slavery)...so I said Obama has the best of both worlds because:

A) His ancestors weren't enslaved
B) He can still benefit from programs like affirmative action

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"and there is racism out there. plenty of it."

and there always will be, on both sides, all over the world...what good does continuing to bring it up do for racial equality?


[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 11:22 AM. Reason : .]

9/18/2009 11:21:11 AM

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"No one is pulling the fucking "race card" (what does that even mean anyway?)"

Nowadays, it's the default defense of some white people when some people call racism what it is.

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"Let's be honest, not many Americans can identify with his up-bringing. There are a lot who identify with him because he is black, even though he is without the typical background of a Black American."

Bullshit. Just because he isn't the descendent of African slaves and he was raised by white people doesn't mean he hasn't dealt with a lot of the same issues. He grew up poor, had an absent/negligent father, was taught how to navigate the racism he'd endure, and pretty much put himself through college. These are all things I have in common with Obama.

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"There are a lot who oppose him because not only are they not able to identify with his upbringing, he has been deliberately vague about his past."

How exactly has he been vague? He has two books out and I haven't read them, but I know he discussed some parts of his childhood and college years, just by the snippets that have become news stories.

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"It is telling when Bill Cosby stands up to tell "Black America" that the power to change lies not in the patronizing soft parentalism of the white establishment but in the dedication and hard work of black men and women everywhere that he is essentially shouted down by so called black leaders."

Obama gave essentially the same message multiple times to mostly black audiences with little controversy. The difference was his tone was much softer. And while Cosby's comments were controversial, a lot of people agreed with him

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 11:27 AM. Reason : .]

9/18/2009 11:25:00 AM

Jimmy Carter was a simple peanut farmer from Georgia. Ronald Regan was already a famous actor. George Bush was the Vice President of the United States. Bill Clinton was the man from "Hope". George W. Bush was the son of the former President and a "good ol' boy" from Texas. I'm not saying that these portrayals are accurate (GWBs was almost completely fictitious) but they had back-stories. Barack Obama was a less than one-term Senator from Illinois who had been catapulted to the national stage with little experience.

Again, I think skin color specifically is less of an issue than background. I have no doubt it is less of an issue than the left is making it out to be and more of an issue than the right is making it out to be.


What is frustrating, to me at least, is that the debate over the policy at hand has been shoved aside by the argument over racism.

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"He grew up poor, had an absent/negligent father, was taught how to navigate the racism he'd endure, and pretty much put himself through college. These are all things I have in common with Obama."

Absent the race issue, a lot of people can identify with that background. I wonder how much attention his grandparents paid to the challenges he'd face? I wonder (I seriously don't know) how being raised by adults who weren't directly affected by Jim Crow affected his outlook on life?

9/18/2009 11:28:46 AM

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"and people share the background of most presidents? i call bullshit. "

You're right--people typically don't share the background of the President. Nonetheless, people think they share similar backgrounds, and politicians work hard to make them feel that way.

KerryEdwards is the son of a mill worker.
Clinton is the boy from Hope.
Bush is a rancher (look how much brush he clears!).

Obama's internet media campaign implied a commonality with the youth not seen from the other campaigns.

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 11:32 AM. Reason : i need to type faster......................]

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 11:37 AM. Reason : ...]

9/18/2009 11:31:57 AM

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"What is frustrating, to me at least, is that the debate over the policy at hand has been shoved aside by fear, lies, and hate"

9/18/2009 11:35:33 AM

^^Edwards, not Kerry, but yeah all candidates want to make themselves look like they're the epitome of the American Dream...I think Obama actually fits the description of the American Dream more than all the others mentioned

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 11:35 AM. Reason : ^^]

9/18/2009 11:35:41 AM

^^ On both sides.

9/18/2009 11:38:13 AM

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""the muslims are moving in and taking over" is a pretty racially driven statement as well. And they wouldn't be calling him a muslim if he was white."

Well, the "muslim" signs are discrimination, and it may be a substitute for racism against black people. But still, at least there weren't any signs calling Obama a nigger, or saying "down with the negro race." Maybe they are just wise enough to keep that kind of sentiment hidden.

9/18/2009 11:38:21 AM

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"^^ On both sides."

Please give me concrete examples of

1. Fear

2. Lies

3. Hate

Coming from members of the Democratic party.

9/18/2009 11:39:20 AM

Also, the whole Glenn Beck movement, at least as far as Beck is concerned, is based on old-time paranoid mormon racist nonsense.

http://bit.ly/VZ382

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"In reality, however, the so-called 912ers were summoned to D.C. by the man who changed Beck's life, and that helps explain why the movement is not the nonpartisan lovefest that Beck first sold on air with his trademark tears. Beck has created a massive meet-up for the disaffected, paranoid Palin-ite "death panel" wing of the GOP, those ideologues most susceptible to conspiracy theories and prone to latch on to eccentric distortions of fact in the name of opposing "socialism." In that, they are true disciples of the late W. Cleon Skousen, Beck's favorite writer and the author of the bible of the 9/12 movement, "The 5,000 Year Leap." A once-famous anti-communist "historian," Skousen was too extreme even for the conservative activists of the Goldwater era, but Glenn Beck has now rescued him from the remainder pile of history, and introduced him to a receptive new audience. Anyone who has followed Beck will recognize the book's title. Beck has been furiously promoting "The 5,000 Year Leap" for the past year, a push that peaked in March when he launched the 912 Project. That month, a new edition of "The 5,000 Year Leap," complete with a laudatory new foreword by none other than Glenn Beck, came out of nowhere to hit No. 1 on Amazon. It remained in the top 15 all summer, holding the No. 1 spot in the government category for months. The book tops Beck's 912 Project "required reading" list, and is routinely sold at 912 Project meetings where guest speakers often use it as their primary source material. At one 912 meet-up I attended in Florida, copies were stacked high on a table against the back wall, available for the 912 nice price of $15. "Don't bother trying to get it at the library," one 912er told me. "The wait list is 40 deep.""

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""The 5,000 Year Leap" is not the only Skousen title to find new life on the 912 circuit. The president of the National Center for Constitutional Studies, Dr. Earl Taylor Jr., is currently touring the country offering daylong seminars to 912 chapters based on Skousen's "Making of America." For $25, participants will receive a bagged lunch and stories about America's religious Founders and their happy slaves. An ad for Taylor's "Making of America" seminar, currently featured on the Web site of the Tampa 912 Project, claims that Skousen's book is "considered a great masterpiece to Constitutional students [and is] the 'granddaddy' of all books on the United States Constitution.""

9/18/2009 11:45:10 AM

Umm.. Nancy Pelosi?

Her recent cry-fest interview was an obvious scare tactic

Almost everything she says is hate directed towards the Republican party. Instead of focusing on actual issues, she wants to make a big deal out of shit like that Wilson comment and milk it for all its worth for the benefit of herself and the Democratic party. Instead of being the speaker of the house, she's just a motherfucking Democratic cheerleader who hates on anything and everything Republican

[Edited on September 18, 2009 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ..]

9/18/2009 11:45:54 AM