Carlos Gonzalez has about as much chance of winning this vote Rob Schneider does at winning an Oscar for Grown Ups

7/6/2010 7:45:05 PM

not your best work Slave

I give you an A for effort though

7/6/2010 7:47:19 PM

No one bats 1.000

7/6/2010 9:22:38 PM

Slave Mendoza

7/6/2010 9:54:22 PM

ervin santana threw a 3-hitter over 8 innings and gave up 1 ER and got the loss. this is the reason why wins and losses are the stupidest stats in baseball next to saves

i'm also bitter because he's on my fantasy team and could've gotten me 10 more points if he got the win for having such a good outting. and the fucking guy i'm up against has john danks.

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 7:33 PM. Reason : .]

7/8/2010 7:32:13 PM

The stupidest stat in baseball is quality starts

Why was last night's Reds/Mets on ESPN game blacked out, but tonight's MLBN broadcast of Reds/Phils not

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 7:40 PM. Reason : NyM and Johan love win-loss stats]

7/8/2010 7:37:59 PM

It is in Charlotte

We get Toronto/Minny and Buck Martinez's nasally ass voice

7/8/2010 7:46:15 PM

Cueto just got hit in the nuts covering first

[Edited on July 8, 2010 at 8:02 PM. Reason : What a weird inning]

7/8/2010 8:02:07 PM

Quote :

"The stupidest stat in baseball is quality starts"

not that i ever really use quality starts to evaluate pitchers, but how is a way of basically saying someone had a good outting worse than

wins - a stat frequently used to judge a pitcher's effectiveness that can reward pitchers for mediocre or downright poor performance depending on how many runs the other starter gives up

losses - a stat frequently used to judge a pitcher's effectiveness that can penalize pitchers for good to stellar performances (ervin santana today, 2005 roger clemens)

saves - a stat frequently used to judge a pitcher's effectiveness that can reward pitchers for allowing multiple runners on base in such a way that his team's lead is threatened

7/8/2010 11:20:37 PM

For whatever reason, quality starts are a huge part of arbitration meetings and free agent negotiations for pitchers. It's a stat that has more influence over payroll and the game itself than wins or losses probably do. The numbers used are ridiculously arbitrary (pun) -- a 4.50 ERA is quality? There's actually room for improvement (or abandonment) with QS, I don't know what you could do about wins and losses.

7/9/2010 12:09:51 AM

Quote :

"The numbers used are ridiculously arbitrary (pun) -- a 4.50 ERA is quality? There's actually room for improvement (or abandonment) with QS,"

a 4.50 ERA certainly isn't quality. it's definitely below average, but it's not like it's terrible either. i agree that there's room for improvement on the bare minimum qualifications for a quality start. but giving up 3 ER over the course of 7 IP drops the pitcher's ERA for the day below 4, as does giving up only 2 ER in 6 IP. the other problem with the stat is that it's dependent on ER, which is also far from a perfect stat since it's influenced both positively and negatively by the team's defense, over which the pitcher has absolutely zero control.

i haven't followed the usage of QS in arbitration and free agent meetings, and i personally don't think any traditional pitching stats should be used in this day and age with respect to how much you're going to pay a guy, but i think QS would give a player and his agent far more leverage to argue his case given the parameters of the stat versus, "but i won 15 games for you!"

Quote :

"I don't know what you could do about wins and losses."

basically nothing, which is why they are worse than QS. they shouldn't be used by anyone.

7/9/2010 12:27:25 AM

Although the save is a terrible stat, I do enjoy looking at blown save numbers and percentage of saves per opportunity.

On that note, fuck k-rod

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 12:52 AM. Reason : -]

7/9/2010 12:52:03 AM

Josh Johnson has the current MLB top streak of QS's with 15

He's also arguably the best pitcher over the last 2 months

Coincidence?

7/9/2010 1:05:40 AM

Quote :

"Josh Johnson has the current MLB top streak of QS's with 15 He's also arguably the best pitcher over the last 2 months season Coincidence?"

fixed it for you

and while his performance has been extremely impressive, i wouldn't point to his QS as a way to support that.

7/9/2010 2:20:47 AM

ESPN is reporting the Yankees are close to a deal for Cliff Lee. Atleast hes not coming to the NL East I guess.

7/9/2010 11:53:47 AM

QS is only a valuable statistic for 4th or 5th starters. is someone here arguing that josh johnson is the best 4th starter in a mlb rotation?

7/9/2010 12:03:18 PM

at this point i'd like to see the yankees acquire dan haren and roy oswalt too just to see how badly they'd beat everyone else in baseball

7/9/2010 2:14:27 PM

Getting Lee sounds like overkill

In the playoffs, you need 4 starters...they Sabathia, Petite, Vazquez, Hughes and Burnett

You can make the case that you'd only trust Sabathia and Pettite in a crucial playoff game

But they're giving up a 20 year old prospect with 40 HR potential

7/9/2010 2:24:28 PM

Who cares if they give up a potentially great catcher? They Yankees are ballers like LeBron, they'll just get another one.

7/9/2010 2:35:13 PM

Well they also have three other young catchers (one of whom is Cervelli) who they like a lot. Admittedly, none of them have the offensive potential of Montero.

And as some of the Yankee beat writers have said today, a good bit of this move is to prevent Lee from going to the Rays or Sox, too.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 2:39 PM. Reason : more]

7/9/2010 2:38:28 PM

Quote :

"Who cares if they give up a potentially great catcher? They Yankees are ballers like LeBron, they'll just get another one."

because catchers of montero's calibur are hard to come by, and having that kind of home grown talent frees up money to throw at other free agents?

7/9/2010 2:45:06 PM

Right, the first 6 years of a players service are the most valuable...look at Longoria

They could sign someone for 15 mil a year, but there's only 3-4 really good catches in the game

7/9/2010 2:46:27 PM

If the Yanks get Lee I think they win the division easily down the stretch. The Sox are beaten down with injuries and a terrible bullpen right now. I don't see Theo dealing for Lee with Buccholz and Beckett back after the break, but CC, Hughes, Lee and Pettite is pretty damn good.

7/9/2010 2:50:16 PM

^^^ It should also be noted Montero is a below-average defensive catcher. Average at absolute best. Of course, he is only 20, and his offensive potential offsets that a bit, but he's generally regarded as a not very good "catcher" prospect and a very good offensive prospect.

7/9/2010 3:00:55 PM

Quote :

"but there's only 3-4 really good catches in the game"

You mean good offensive catchers. It's really the only everyday position player where offense really doesn't matter. A guy like Molina in St. Louis is the perfect example. Today's catcher just needs to call a great game and be reliable behind the plate.

The main point of the entire situation is that baseball general managing 101 doesn't apply to the Yankees.

7/9/2010 3:36:58 PM

Offense matters...just not as much as First base or the outfield.

Unless you're elite defensively, you have to hit.

7/9/2010 3:44:21 PM

Montero won't be a catcher by the time he makes the bigs. He is destined to be a DH-lifer. He is below average at any position they have examined him at.

The other two guys are fringe prospects. I guess Seattle really, really wanted Montero. They asked the Mets for Ike Davis and wouldn't back down so naturally talks didn't get far (according to a Post writer).

**** DEALS OFF. Injury worries about the AA scrub ass that was included.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 3:51 PM. Reason : x]

7/9/2010 3:44:50 PM

Quote :

"Today's catcher just needs to call a great game and be reliable behind the plate."

bingo. any offense you also happen to get is a ++

that's why joe mauer is getting pay-ed

7/9/2010 3:54:33 PM

The American League has won 12 of the last 13 All Star Games

The one we didn't win...was a tie

7/9/2010 4:01:55 PM

SEC

SEC

SEC

SEC

7/9/2010 4:03:11 PM

the first order of business for whoever takes over for bud selig should be to stop the fucking home field advantage bullshit in the all star game

7/9/2010 4:03:12 PM

wheres the link about the Deal being off?

7/9/2010 4:03:26 PM

2:57pm: The Mariners didn't accept the Yankees' offer of Montero, Adams and a third prospect, so the Yankees may walk away from the discussions, according to Jon Heyman of SI.com (via Twitter).

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

7/9/2010 4:08:16 PM

Quote :

"Montero won't be a catcher by the time he makes the bigs. He is destined to be a DH-lifer. He is below average at any position they have examined him at."

Bingo. That's why no one is shedding a tear about trading him for Lee (or at least almost ). Especially with the two young guys they have behind him.

But it looks like the deal is off anyway, so oh well.

7/9/2010 4:10:58 PM

RANGERS get Lee now?

wtf

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 5:18 PM. Reason : For the Smoak Monster!!!]

7/9/2010 5:16:23 PM

For Smoak? wow

Plus they're sending cash? What a terrible move

7/9/2010 5:19:20 PM

WTF ARE THEY SMOAKING? AMIRITE????

7/9/2010 5:24:14 PM

MLB Networks game tonight is washington/sf

The alternate feed is NYM/ATL

We in Charlotte get a black screen

Thanks Bud!

7/9/2010 7:07:36 PM

dont worry about watching Strasburg pitch, you'll get to see him pitch next week in the AS game

oh wait

7/9/2010 7:08:58 PM

Nice! SNY-HD feed tonight on MLB...

7/9/2010 7:10:57 PM

Braves/Mets is on SportSouth, guy

7/9/2010 7:11:32 PM

I know

but I want HD dammit

and Skip Carey bothers me

7/9/2010 7:12:23 PM

Quote :

"For Smoak? wow Plus they're sending cash? What a terrible move"

the mariners are pretty offensively challenged, smoak can rake, the season is a wash, lee would probably walk at the end of the season, the rangers may not be able to resign him, the M's now have one of the rangers' best young players and 3 more prospects. not sure about the quality of those players aside from smoak, but it was definitely an opportunity to weaken the farm system of a division rival that gave up 4 players for a potential rental.

7/10/2010 4:38:52 PM

what ever happened to Marge Schott

nvm she dead

Quote :

"Professional wrestler Kevin Nash had referred to WCW during the nWo angle as being "as interesting as hearing Marge Schott reading excerpts from Mein Kampf.""

ahah



[Edited on July 10, 2010 at 10:16 PM. Reason : ]

7/10/2010 10:14:20 PM

Two hours of Chris Berman :\

7/12/2010 8:01:51 PM

hope you're up on your suburbs around Anaheim

is there a radio feed i can use for this or am i just going to watch on mute

7/12/2010 8:07:11 PM

^^ back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back back... GONE!

7/12/2010 8:08:21 PM

not quite for Chris Young

7/12/2010 8:21:06 PM

I'm going to petition for the usage of steroids during the All-Star break

7/12/2010 8:25:57 PM

Hanley will win!

7/12/2010 8:44:29 PM