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7/27/2010 3:03:48 PM

When you go into Limbo, you're not going into a coma above... Limbo just makes you go crazy because of the accelerated brain function. So whereas you're only sleeping for 6 hours in the real world, if you go deep enough and die in the dream world, you'll enter what feels like a 50,000 year existence which still only lasts 6 hrs in the real world.

But because your mind experienced a 50,000 year dream-world existence during that 6 hours, you're completely crazy once you wake up.

[Edited on July 27, 2010 at 3:18 PM. Reason : ]

7/27/2010 3:18:12 PM

I like how the asian business man wakes up all happy, but in reality, he suffered years and years of nothing to get what he wanted.... Was it really worth it?

7/27/2010 3:22:47 PM

id be pretty happy to realize i got to be all young again and live my life again/differently

7/27/2010 3:23:36 PM

But on the other hand, it would suck if you were a billionaire tycoon in limbo, and then realized you were a janitor in the real world when you woke up

7/27/2010 3:25:34 PM

also true

7/27/2010 3:27:59 PM

^^ that's kind of what was going on in the pharmacist's basement

7/27/2010 3:33:07 PM

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"but in reality, he suffered years and years of nothing to get what he wanted"

i'm confused by this statement.. can you explain?

7/27/2010 3:53:17 PM

Reminds me of that dream I had once... when I woke up I was so mad that my alarm "kicked" me out of the dream. If only we could really control our dreams like that. Oh well...

^ Asian guy had to suffer 100+ years in the dream, just so he could experience a few years of joy in the real world. Of course, maybe happiness in the real world is worth suffering years in your dreams.

Dreams are nice, but it doesn't beat the real thing. Unless, of course, you plant an idea

[Edited on July 27, 2010 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ...]

7/27/2010 3:56:27 PM

OmarBadouche pwnt on page 6

7/27/2010 8:27:00 PM

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"I like how the asian business man wakes up all happy, but in reality, he suffered years and years of nothing to get what he wanted.... Was it really worth it? "

He didn't look happy to me, he looked pretty absent.

7/27/2010 8:31:22 PM

Well, how much would you remember of that dream?

7/28/2010 7:25:43 AM

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"Asian guy had to suffer 100+ years in the dream"

lol wut, i think it was more like 40 or 50

7/28/2010 9:04:56 AM

close enough

7/28/2010 9:06:20 AM

I'm surprised no one has brought up any religious theories about this movie - not just on tww, but anywhere that I've read. It seems like the whole thought of leaving the current realm of reality to go "up to the next" level would lead itself to heaven/afterlife thoughts.

Also, the whole limbo world could be seen as purgatory where you have to resolve any outstanding issues from the previous level/life in order to move up to the top level

I'm sure we could come up with a drawn out, theory regarding the spirituality/religious undertones, but these were the first couple of thoughts I had about it. Which is kinda interesting, and another way to think about things

7/28/2010 11:19:17 AM

no thanks!

7/28/2010 11:20:41 AM

^^ Because most people equate religion/spirituality to consciousness and dreams equate to the unconscious. Spirituality is associated with reality and dreams are associated with imagination. Religion is to truth, as dreams are to fantasy.

So, it's not logical to pair the two together... at least for most people.

[Edited on July 28, 2010 at 11:34 AM. Reason : yeah..]

7/28/2010 11:31:01 AM

There aren't religious theories about Tron either. Same reason. The movie sets up the rules of its alternate reality and just completely sidesteps any commentary on religion in the Real World.

The Matrix would have had less religious discussion if it hadn't thrown in so many biblical names and savior themes.

7/28/2010 12:03:25 PM

fair enough, I've just seen the religion angle spun on just about every movie/tv show out now, and was surprised that this one hadnt got some of the same treatment. I'm not saying I'm buying any sort of religion in this movie, just thought it would be an interesting angle to consider

7/28/2010 1:11:09 PM

I'm not saying such theories and discussions aren't valid or interesting. I'm just saying that the movie has enough depth in its own well-defined topic that bringing religion into the mix isn't necessary or popular.

Maybe if Cobb and Mal were shown to be devout Catholics and Cobb was having trouble with the idea of Mal being in hell for suicide (or at least worried about his own soul's fate after uxoricide). Obviously that would encourage more religious discussion about the possibilities between dreams and heaven/purgatory.

People are getting enough discussion out of the questions the movie itself brings up. Was the end real or was it a dream? How much of the movie was actually a dream? Does it matter?

7/28/2010 1:44:51 PM

7/28/2010 1:54:12 PM

wow that is a busy graphic

7/28/2010 2:17:28 PM

except that doesn't show saito shooting cobb or himself for the final kick. otherwise not bad

7/28/2010 2:19:24 PM

^no but i think that is the point. you see their two timelines drop off and into the center of the graph (limbo). at this point they are no longer a part of the inception. Their kicks out of limbo are seperate.

7/28/2010 2:30:58 PM

the gray and black line in the center represent saito and cobb

7/28/2010 2:31:13 PM

The green line represents that fucking Lincoln you owe me, assmash.

7/28/2010 2:34:11 PM

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"I like how the asian business man wakes up all happy"

maybe I missed it, but I thought saito looked kind of distressed/unresponsive when he woke up

[Edited on July 28, 2010 at 5:32 PM. Reason : ai]

7/28/2010 5:32:16 PM

^^ LMFAO

7/28/2010 5:46:41 PM

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"Because most people equate religion/spirituality to consciousness and dreams equate to the unconscious. Spirituality is associated with reality and dreams are associated with imagination. Religion is to truth, as dreams are to fantasy. "

Why can't heaven be considered something similar to a lucid dream. I feel like thats the best comparison we habve to an afterlife since your body doesn't go there but your spirit/mind does go there. Also time seems to stop and seconds can last infinity. Reality is thrown out in the afterlife as well.

7/29/2010 1:52:33 AM

bad things don't happen in heaven though

7/29/2010 2:06:57 AM

in heaven everything is fine. you got your good things, i've got mine.

7/29/2010 2:09:01 AM

Saw last night at theatre, what a crazy movie.

What if the entire move was part of a dream, as Mal said in purgatory people are always chasing him etc. The beginning of the movie shows leonardo washing up on the beach and Saito old. Could those two be stuck in some crazy endless loop in limbo. Perhaps the whole Fishcer airplane thing is all in their crazy dream. In this case perhaps Mal was right and is still alive in which case Cobb is the one going off the deep end.

Only thing I don't understand is how dying while overly sedated sends one "deeper" into the dream world.

I also don't get what teh "architect" chick did to help out. Sure I understand the point of the architect but in her role for the movie, it did not seem like she did anything. Last, they never explain how an individual gains ownership of the dream versus someone else. For example how is the 3rd level the forger's dream instead of someone elses.

[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 8:50 AM. Reason : a]

7/29/2010 8:46:41 AM

^ Wow, you're right. I can't believe we haven't discussed any of those ideas in the last 7 pages.

7/29/2010 8:51:22 AM

Part of it was rhetorical......

sorry.

Don't have time to sift through 7 pages

7/29/2010 8:57:23 AM

LOL, its funny how some people say that the architect/Ariadne didnt have any role in the movie, and then some people say that the entire movie is centered around her performing an inception on Cobb. total opposite ends of the spectrum

7/29/2010 8:59:06 AM

^^yeah you're too busy bitching about toothbrushes over in The Lounge.

7/29/2010 9:03:05 AM

How/Why would one draw the conclusion that the girl is performing an inception on Cobb.

I think its more likely that Cobb is merely having a dream about invading other dreams and the entire extraction/inception idea is a fictional thing in his mind.

7/29/2010 9:31:17 AM

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"^^yeah you're too busy bitching about toothbrushes over in The Lounge. "

haha, cross thread burn!

7/29/2010 9:31:49 AM

^^ as i've seen a lot of other people point out, a scenario where the whole thing was a dream such that the extraction/inception stuff was entirely made up/in his mind...that would just be such a B ending to an otherwise great film. Just seems cheap, without a purpose, and completely unnecessary. And coming from someone like Nolan who has really impressed me...I just don't see that happening.

Now, could you argue he was still in n-1 within the rules of the film? That has a little more firm ground beneath it if you wanted to argue that. I just don't think Nolan would cheapen the film that much to say the entire concept of extraction/inception was completely made up in his mind in a normal dream. There is no need to do that. IMO, if he really was trying to make us think about the ending the way people are analyzing it, I think it is an N vs N-1 argument.

However I still think the point from the perspective of character development and the "on screen" plot resolution was that he didn't care whether he was in a dream state or not anymore. He had overcome Mal's haunting him and the regret about not being able to see his kids' faces again. As I stated earlier: I've enjoyed reading all kinds of different suggestions and analytical angles on the film but I was happy leaving the film satisfied in the same way Cobb was.

[Edited on July 29, 2010 at 9:51 AM. Reason : ]

7/29/2010 9:50:14 AM

now I can read this thread

A++...gonna give this thing a read through

8/1/2010 12:55:58 AM

the more I think about it, the more I'm pretty sure the whole thing was a dream

8/1/2010 9:49:48 AM

I really like this theory: http://revolvingdoorproject.net/2010/07/23/inception-what-happened-at-the-end/

8/1/2010 11:12:32 AM

I think its clear that its not clear one way or the other.

I don't think it was ALL a dream, but from the point where Saito startled him and he dropped the top, thus not confirming that it was a dream or not you can interpret it either way and the story works.

8/1/2010 11:14:07 AM

^^oooh, that is indeed interesting

I still don't get why everyone who thinks the last scene is a dream also thinks the whole film is a dream

8/1/2010 1:40:09 PM

I like that theory as well...that was definitely something I noticed about him in the very beginning w/ Saito, but eventually stopped taking notice as the film went on (prolly cause I just assumed it was still there).

8/1/2010 2:01:42 PM

Best fucking movie I've seen in a long time. Holy shit.

Also, I would like to have sexual relations with Tom Hardy (aka Eames)

8/1/2010 7:26:11 PM

^you need to watch Bronson if that's the case. it's on Netflix instant, pretty impressive work.

8/1/2010 8:29:27 PM

Why does everyone make a big deal about the two separate child actors? Doesn't anyone remember the scene where Leo and Mal were fighting in their house and he had both children with him? He was walking them out of the room because she was screaming about they weren't her children.

8/1/2010 8:43:28 PM

good find gzusfrk, that actually makes a lot of sense, and i tend to agree with it (i guess i like happy endings)

8/1/2010 8:47:55 PM

i too like the explanation provided by that site, however i dont see how he could be right with the ring as a totem

8/1/2010 8:48:02 PM