I second that BS.

10/6/2011 7:04:04 PM

Outdoors on ultra, I was getting 30-55 with an average 40.

10/6/2011 7:45:29 PM

Outdoors on Ultra I am get 45-55 with a GTX 560!!

1440x900 FTW!!

10/6/2011 8:40:19 PM

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10/6/2011 9:09:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ71nOEkKzc&feature=feedu

10/6/2011 9:30:45 PM

Should I go for a 6970 or 570 Classified?

10/6/2011 10:53:25 PM

ultra everything with 2x AA, HBAO at 2560x1440

50 fps outside, 90 inside

10/6/2011 10:57:50 PM

the BETA bores me to death. Looking forward to the full game.

10/6/2011 11:12:21 PM

Quote :

"Should I go for a 6970 or 570 Classified?"

6970 is faster

10/6/2011 11:33:45 PM

I am seriously thinking aobut going with the 6970 since my motherboard only supports CF and buying a 6970 early next year maybe when they are much cheaper.

10/6/2011 11:53:18 PM

FUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK YYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

https://twitter.com/#!/Battlefield/status/122252813513404416

10/7/2011 11:11:32 AM

Caspian border is back up. Few servers. Oh shit.

10/7/2011 11:58:27 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lvAuUebRwg&feature=related

This is SO fucking awesome. I can't wait for some dogfighting!

10/7/2011 11:59:50 AM

Caspian's all fucked up right now. Run about a foot, stutter, repeat.

10/7/2011 12:54:40 PM

I am seeing the same problems.

10/7/2011 1:13:23 PM

On the bright side, at least I'm getting good framerates. Hovering around 60 most of the time.

10/7/2011 1:41:05 PM

Quote :

"Caspian's all fucked up right now. Run about a foot, stutter, repeat."

Don't play on any servers with the name "Art of War," those are laggy. Most other servers I've played on are fine.

10/7/2011 1:53:36 PM

Quote :

"I think you need to correct your statement, otherwise provide video to prove that. Considering it's virtually the same card as the 570, even OC'd won't get you above 35fps @ 1200 with Ultra 4/16.... the 580 can only do 36fps at that resolution.... 50fps is bullshit. 40fps average maybe. 50fps max."

I already showed you how the 570 is not like the 480 in technical details. Also I scored over 6k in 3DMark11 which is higher than a stock 580 achieves. OCing the GPU in this game helps tremendously. If you really want I can make a video, but I'm having trouble getting FRAPS to show up on the screen. I use my G15 heads up display + MSI Afterburner to monitor my FPS. You do realize how big an OC of 880/1760/4000 is over stock right? Stock is 700/1400/3072, I am running a $70 GPU cooler specifically designed for the 480 (and only the 480) to achieve that OC along with an Antec 900 and $100 in fans.


Do I really have to upload a video? If you don't believe it, then don't believe it.

Quote :

"6970 is faster"

not in BF3, Fermi dominates the game compared to that old revamped 5870 design.



[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 4:28 PM. Reason : _]

10/7/2011 4:27:25 PM

Dang, 25% OC on a 480, that's pretty sick.

Quote :

"I already showed you how the 570 is not like the 480 in technical details."

stock-to-stock, the 570 is faster, there's too much evidence to support it, sorry. now if the 480 is a better overclocker than the 570, then you may have a valid argument based on overclocking ability... but not stock comparison.

[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

10/7/2011 4:33:46 PM

Nice overclock. My 460's are running at 815/1630/4000 at the moment. I get about P7381 in 3DMark2011 on the Performance (middle) benchmark.

I may try bumping them up higher but I'm happy at the moment and they get hot.

10/7/2011 4:38:45 PM

HNNNNNNNNGH doing grad school apps cannot play Caspian FUCK IT PLAYING CASPIAN.

10/7/2011 4:45:27 PM

Quote :

"stock-to-stock, the 570 is faster, there's too much evidence to support it, sorry. now if the 480 is a better overclocker than the 570, then you may have a valid argument based on overclocking ability... but not stock comparison."

Dude I already showed you; the 480 has 8 more ROPs, a larger memory BUS (bandwidth) and more VRAM. This is stock to stock difference.

I accidentally deleted the original full size photo so I blew this photo up somewhat so you can read it better, that is why it is slightly off looking and no I'm not running it again to prove anything to yall:







here are some more images of my GPU cooler (Zalman VF3000F), but I can't hotlink them. Tell me if it won't let you see them if you aren't a member.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=119993&stc=1&d=1315828465

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=119994&stc=1&d=1315828512

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=119995&stc=1&d=1315828545




[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 4:56 PM. Reason : _]

10/7/2011 4:49:54 PM

Look can you guys move your pissing fest to the Perpetual Computer Parts thread? I swear there's more posts about OC'ing and GPU dick-slapping than there is BF3*.




*Then again OCing and GPU dick-slapping is a much-loved cornerstone of PC gaming.

10/7/2011 5:06:00 PM

Woohoo I win.

10/7/2011 5:32:24 PM

There is a FPS drop on Caspian w/ 64 players, I avg 35-40 FPS on all ultra max AA/AF @ 1200p there and my VRAM is getting close to max.

10/7/2011 5:47:21 PM

Quote :

"Dude I already showed you; the 480 has 8 more ROPs, a larger memory BUS (bandwidth) and more VRAM. This is stock to stock difference."

BlackDog, you can spew out those differences, but it does not change the benchmark numbers of stock to stock. I've had this argument over and over again with neodata about processors. Just because a card has a larger memory bus doesn't make it faster. I'm sorry. Your statements about the hardware differences are correct, but your assumption that it makes it faster is wrong. You have to understand the architecture difference between the 480 & 570 to understand why it's inherently faster. Numbers don't lie.

Yes, I believe you have 6,000 on 3DMark, I don't believe that a stock 480 is faster than a stock 570, nearly every benchmark on the internet says differently, unless you're at absurd resolutions, where the extra 256MB of VRAM may help

[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 6:02 PM. Reason : .]

10/7/2011 5:59:48 PM

Yeah I think the 1GB limit of my cards is holding me back. It maxes out. I saw online someone had a MSI 580 xtreme edition (one with 3GB of vram) and they were seeing it peaking at 1400-1600 at 1080p. Sooooo it seems to be a memory hog. Card with at least 1.5 GB I guess.

^you're just fun to argue with.

[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 6:02 PM. Reason : s]

10/7/2011 6:01:37 PM

I just hate it when people come in here and spew out garbage about how their hardware is faster than anyone else because they overclocked it and can't admit that the newer generation hardware is faster, cheaper, and more efficient than theirs stock, out-of-the-box. I mean shit, that's why hardware review sites benchmark.

He must have missed my earlier post where it's a comparison of 570 (left) and 480 (right) stock out-of-the-box:
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2011-gaming-graphics-charts/compare,2674.html?prod%5B4834%5D=on&prod%5B4832%5D=on

I'm not contesting his FPS anymore, at a 25% overclock on a 480, it's likely that he could be close to 50fps... I'm just saying my original assertion that if it were at stock speeds, it should be at the level of a single 570 or below.

Anyhow, I'll be back in this thread in about a month after MSI takes their damn sweet time RMA'ing my graphics card. Here's hoping I get it back before the official BF3 release. Yes, I'm still bitter, hence my ranting I'd imagine.

[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 6:09 PM. Reason : .]

10/7/2011 6:04:12 PM

I'm not spewing anything, I'm showing you that my card OC'd is as fast as a 580 in 3DMark11, you are the one getting so personal. It is just computer hardware...

Also stop linking THG, that site became a joke years ago. No one on XtremeSystems will even refer anything from it. Use something like AnAndTech or XBitLabs. Also I never said anything negative about the 570, if you look back in the thread I recommend it to people over and over....








[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM. Reason : lol]

10/7/2011 6:11:42 PM

You should hold out for Kepler in Q1 2011. 28nm and entirely new architecture should be significantly faster than Fermi based cards (4xx/5xx series).

10/7/2011 6:12:47 PM

NVIDIA already announced Kepler is delayed, why would they compete with themselves? AMD has to bring a GPGPU to the table first. What NVIDIA will release is just a die shrink with some mild architecture adjustments.

10/7/2011 6:14:31 PM

Latest news says it's delayed from Q4 2011 to Q1 2012. Fermi is old. Kepler is supposed to be the next gen chip. Recent news has suggested as much as a 50% increase in games over Fermi not to mention a performance per watt increase of 3 to 4 times that of Fermi. That's a big deal in regard to overclocking and voltage requirements.

http://www.turnedon.com.au/articles/news/nvidia-gtx600-series-kepler-a-completely-ne-r57
http://www.hardcore-games.tk/wp/nvidia-speculation.html

Figure it's not too far away. Might as well stick it out.

10/7/2011 6:21:14 PM

^I'm sure I'll be upgrading again in 6 months.... just needed something now. But it looks really promising.

BlackDog, I don't mean to make it personal at all, but I never said a 570 was faster than an OC'd 480 either. And nor did I have anything bad to say about the 480 either.

I'm just refuting this statement made by you, that's all. It's not about your graphics card setup at all, which is the only evidence you've posted, which isn't exactly a fair comparison considering it's OC'd.

Quote :

"Those benches are complete BS, the 480 is faster than the 570 in almost every game, always has been since they are almost identical."

You can look at Anandtech and get the same results:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/306?vs=309

[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 6:30 PM. Reason : .]

10/7/2011 6:24:40 PM

haha I know I just said not to do this, but with news it really doesn't matter the site as long as they have a source:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-gpu-kepler-fermi-update,13188.html

Quote :

"Ken Brown, a spokesman for Nvidia, told X-bit Labs that Kepler silicon will be available this year, but now it seems production of graphic cards will not happen until 2012. So far, we have been under the impression that Kepler cards could be arriving just in time for Christmas, even if Nvidia already had said at the International Supercomputing Conference in June that the new cards may be delayed by a month or two. Kepler will be succeeding the Fermi architecture and use a 28 nm production process. There have been rumors that Nvidia is struggling with the 28 nm production and that manufacturing is causing the delay. Of course, Nvidia isn't commenting on the delay and no chip manufacturer would ever give a statement on yield issues anyway. However, Nvidia is under pressure of getting Kepler out on time and especially get to Kepler right. (The current Fermi architecture was delayed several times and had a less than perfect launch.) According to information released by Nvidia so far, Kepler cards will triple the dual-precision floating point performance of Fermi and hit up to 6 dp GFlops, while its successor Maxwell (scheduled for a 2013 release) is expected to with almost 16 dp GFlops. These are big promises and Nvidia wouldn't want to miss them."

Your article is in June, mine is in August.


BTW Fermi launched in March of 2010, you can hardly call that old compared to CPU releases.

Also Prospero I have read the white book on all Fermi GPUs and I know every single difference like why the 570 lacks 8 ROPs vs the 480, they changed the way the GPC is configured. I know the GF110 is more efficient than the GF100, if it wasn't NVIDIA would have been doing nothing since March of 2010 except changing names. However the optimizations were very small when it comes to actual FPS and ROPs are very important to AA.








[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 6:36 PM. Reason : _]

10/7/2011 6:27:07 PM

16-months, isn't that the norm?

10/7/2011 6:30:56 PM

Check the time difference between the GT200 and the GF100

June, 2008 to March, 2010

yes they made the GT200b but it was a small change, very small, mainly just a die shrink.


Fermi owners are in a perfect spot because Maxwell is going to kill Kepler by a lot and that is what Fermi owners will be upgrading to:






[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 6:59 PM. Reason : _]

10/7/2011 6:37:15 PM

full size: http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6709971/img/Anonymous/2011-10-07-00002.jpg


and another:



Full size: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/6710110/img/6710110.jpg




[Edited on October 7, 2011 at 7:42 PM. Reason : _]

10/7/2011 7:18:20 PM

Battlelog is such a pile of gotdamned shit.

10/7/2011 7:46:18 PM

Was finally able to get into a good Caspian server...damn it's good. After 4-5 rounds of ass kicking I got booted and battlelog says "you have been disconnected from the server." Anybody else had this happen to them?

10/7/2011 9:49:49 PM

God, Caspian lag is awful. Comon now.

[Edited on October 8, 2011 at 12:25 AM. Reason : f]

10/8/2011 12:14:58 AM

My problem wasn't lag or anything to do with the map. It was the problems with getting the game to fully recognize a controller. I tried 3 different ones including a PC 360 controller. I had better luck flying with my keyboard and mouse than I did with my game pads/joystick.

It was like it could only detect analog controls and during flight sometimes say roll would just stop working in one direction. I really hope they get this controller problem fixed by the RC. Flying is like half the reason I want the game.

The map it self is awesome, now they just need to fix the controls.

10/8/2011 12:50:23 AM

Quote :

"Fermi owners are in a perfect spot because Maxwell is going to kill Kepler by a lot and that is what Fermi owners will be upgrading to:"

Upgrade every 4 years you say? No I prefer every 2 years. Got Fermi in 2010. Upgrade to Kepler in 2012 and probably get Maxwell in 2014.

10/8/2011 12:05:27 PM

It will be at least another 2 years before a native DX11 game comes out that puts Fermi towards the ground. Also I got my 480 through RMA process of my GTX 295

If you are going by the time line on that chart where is Kepler? I was going by the supposed performance increases, not the obviously old time line.



[Edited on October 8, 2011 at 3:00 PM. Reason : _]

10/8/2011 2:48:40 PM

More Random Beta Screens:

Settings (BTW I heard BF3 is just like BC2, we don't have full res textures even in Ultra. I'm going to do a test to verify; I'll put all texture settings on High and see if my VRAM usage changes):



Full: http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/6716551/img/Anonymous/2011-10-07-00005.jpg






Full: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/6716390/img/Anonymous/2011-10-07-00006.jpg




Full: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/6716448/img/Anonymous/2011-10-07-00009.jpg




Full: http://www4.picturepush.com/photo/a/6716462/img/Anonymous/2011-10-07-00010.jpg




Full: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/6716478/img/Anonymous/2011-10-07-00014.jpg



Full: http://www2.picturepush.com/photo/a/6716500/img/Anonymous/2011-10-07-00016.jpg




Full: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/6716508/img/Anonymous/2011-10-08-00001.jpg




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[Edited on October 8, 2011 at 3:35 PM. Reason : _]

10/8/2011 3:31:43 PM

Tanks must not like water, this was just a level creek:



Full: http://www5.picturepush.com/photo/a/6717273/img/Anonymous/2011-10-08-00007.jpg

10/8/2011 5:28:41 PM

It's going to max your VRAM if you only have 1.25. There's reports of it hitting anywhere from 1400-1600.

10/8/2011 6:35:49 PM

1.25 gb?

10/8/2011 6:47:09 PM

I need to learn how to drive those jets. I imagine once the full game comes out I'll just find empty servers to fly around in.

10/8/2011 7:00:56 PM

I'm using 1400mb+ of VRAM at the settings above.

Also right now the game does not support any controllers or even mice completely, so flying has to be done with keyboard and mouse.

10/8/2011 7:16:47 PM

having no large map is annoying at first. Also, flying helo's is very frustrating and the tank crosshairs really need to be thinner.

10/8/2011 7:59:29 PM