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"That said, you can argue all you want about how bad you think it is, the box office numbers indicate otherwise."

I don't disagree with your general sentiment, but we could use this very argument to say that Spider-Man 3 was a masterpiece as well.

5/9/2012 11:21:27 AM

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"I can totally understand that sentiment, honestly. It's not that I fully agree, but Watchmen was VERY stylized and that just doesn't appeal to everyone. Also, general awareness and knowledge of the Watchmen was way lower than things like Batman or The Avengers."

-I fucking love stylized. 300 is one of my favorite films.
-I read the graphic novel before seeing the film.

5/9/2012 11:25:49 AM

My second favorite Hulk moment was when he jumped on the fighter jet and grabbed the guy as he was ejecting.

^Except for the absolutely embarrassing sex scene, I enjoyed Watchmen. The Blu-Ray director's cut makes the movie run too long though.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]

5/9/2012 11:27:24 AM

Really? Spiderman 3 made less than the 2 previous films.


Spiderman 1 - $407 million
Spiderman 2 - $373 million
Spiderman 3 - $336 million


Avengers - $226 million in 5 days

5/9/2012 11:29:21 AM

I've found every Spiderman to be terrible, but I liked Watchmen. There I said it.

5/9/2012 12:11:24 PM

Two things ruined the first Spider-man: a pathetic climax ("GODSPEED, SPIDER-MAN") and Macy Gray.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 12:16 PM. Reason : ]

5/9/2012 12:16:12 PM

I liked the Watchmen...a lot. That's all.

5/9/2012 12:53:11 PM

I really liked Watchmen too and I hadn't read the graphic novel or had any prior exposure going into the film.

5/9/2012 2:00:14 PM

I'm going to have to watch it again. Maybe I overlooked something that made up for the horrible acting.

5/9/2012 2:05:16 PM

I thought this was hilarious.

5/9/2012 2:08:55 PM

demi-gods

5/9/2012 2:09:47 PM

Doesn't demi- imply a full god?

5/9/2012 2:18:22 PM

puny gods

5/9/2012 2:18:34 PM

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"Doesn't demi- imply a full god?"

Not at all.

Also, after seeing Avengers, Spider-man 2 came on FX and I watched a bit. I used to really like it, but after all of the recent Marvel movies that have come out, it's really, really bad.

I 100% blame Sam Raimi for that though.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2012 2:32:51 PM

I think these are now relevant.

5/9/2012 3:14:49 PM

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"Not at all."

lol, aruguing about made-up bs.

5/9/2012 3:32:04 PM

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"I wanna high five KillaB right now. This guy gets it"

III

5/9/2012 5:19:07 PM

The theater erupted at the "Millionaire, genius, playboy, philanthropist" line, which really pissed me off because I know every person there had already heard it a million times, sure its a fun line but come on, people.


As far as the bad lines in the Batman series...
"Why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up."
"It's not who I am underneath, but what I do that defines me."

Me thinks the writers eat a lot of Chinese food and ask for extra cookies.

5/9/2012 5:48:43 PM

I guess it's already been brought up:

SPOILERS

To add to the speculation that Thanos gave Loki the mind infinity gem. They pretty much sealed the infinity gauntlet deal with the first scene during the credits. Thanos smiling when the other guy says they'd "court Death" if they wanted to take over the earth. Which is exactly what he tries to do in the infinity gauntlet series.

I wonder how that will play out with the movie rights to many characters owned by Fox, Sony, whoever.

5/9/2012 8:33:58 PM

My question about that is does Thanos already have the gems, then? (Maybe only some of them...?) If so, why bother with Loki at all? I thought that the gauntlet seen in Thor already had all of the gems present.

http://www.dailyblam.com/news/2011/05/08/thor-movie-concept-art-reveals-cosmic-weapons-from-odins-vault

I kinda hope that it was the mind gem, and at this point, I'd buy most decent explanations as to how Thanos had it.

5/9/2012 9:19:02 PM

What happens to the gem at the end of this movie? I don't recall them doing anything with the scepter after closing the portal.

[Edited on May 9, 2012 at 11:08 PM. Reason : -]

5/9/2012 11:07:49 PM

they should get billy crudup to play adam warlock

5/9/2012 11:40:55 PM

Ooooooo...Billy Crudup! Yes!

5/10/2012 6:35:58 AM

Saw the movie last night and it was pretty good. Wasn't as "epic" as I was expecting, but I did have ridiculously high expectations coming in...so maybe it was my fault.

Really liked Ruffalo as the Hulk.

Understand that it's a comic book movie and the dialogue isn't going to be Academy Award level...but the "comical" one-liners were a little much. Having one here and there is okay, but I think it went a little overboard.

Was actually impressed with how much I liked Captain America in this movie. I think it was because he was only part of the movie instead of the central focus. I can't take his bland character for entire movie, but he was the perfect compliment to the other characters. Loved how he took charge as a real captain in the final fight scene.

Hulk throwing around Loki was great.

5/10/2012 7:44:13 AM

saw this last night also and really really enjoyed it. I felt there was too much Black Widow, but it didn't take away from the film. I felt like the comical one-liners were actually perfectly implemented and the entire thing felt like a fully flushed comic book. I, personally, loved seeing Steve Rogers handing Nick Fury the $10 bill after making the bet early on.

The final battle scene was non-stop and very well done. Especially considering the enemies were flying with large motherships, I felt like they did justice to our heroes who were on the ground fighting very well.

One thing I feel like wasn't very consistent is the size of Hulk. It's been awhile since I have seen Ed Norton's Hulk, but I feel like he was much bigger. Perhaps it was just the angles, movements, locations (interior vs. exterior). Thoughts?

5/10/2012 8:23:59 AM

^ Which one was bigger...the old or the new one? I don't remember thinking there was a big difference.

I liked the $10 scene as well.

5/10/2012 8:28:26 AM

I felt like Hulk in the actual Hulk movie was a lot bigger.

5/10/2012 8:34:45 AM

i'd appreciate it if they worked Colin Ferguson in as some character, somehow

5/10/2012 8:38:22 AM

I'm pretty sure he was. The military dude going after him in that movie once squared up with him, and it looked like Hulk was twice as tall.

5/10/2012 9:13:30 AM

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"Was actually impressed with how much I liked Captain America in this movie. I think it was because he was only part of the movie instead of the central focus. I can't take his bland character for entire movie, but he was the perfect compliment to the other characters. Loved how he took charge as a real captain in the final fight scene."

agree 100% Even in the second viewing I enjoyed his screen time a lot.

5/10/2012 9:25:48 AM

Can anyone explain why they spent half the movie talking about how uncontrollable the Hulk was, and then show him at the end just standing around fighting with the avengers? I felt like this was a plot hole.

Either Bruce can control himself while he's Hulk, or he cant. I have a hard time accepting it's a "sometimes" kinda deal.

5/10/2012 10:08:38 AM

They redesigned the Hulk again for this film. Personally I liked the Norton Hulk better, not so much that he was bigger (taller) but that he just seemed much bigger (stronger) and more brutal.

However, searching googles it seems like most people like the Avengers Hulk better as it is apparently more true to the comics. Also the director gave an explanation that it's been a few years so he's naturally gotten a bit "smaller"

I still like the Norton one better though

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 10:13 AM. Reason : a]

5/10/2012 10:12:20 AM

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"Can anyone explain why they spent half the movie talking about how uncontrollable the Hulk was, and then show him at the end just standing around fighting with the avengers? I felt like this was a plot hole. Either Bruce can control himself while he's Hulk, or he cant. I have a hard time accepting it's a "sometimes" kinda deal."

It was glossed over but I think the idea is that he figures out how to control it somewhat during the movie.

5/10/2012 10:24:13 AM

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"Can anyone explain why they spent half the movie talking about how uncontrollable the Hulk was, and then show him at the end just standing around fighting with the avengers? I felt like this was a plot hole. Either Bruce can control himself while he's Hulk, or he cant. I have a hard time accepting it's a "sometimes" kinda deal."

I think biggs had a good response to this question earlier:

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"As has been said, from the last Hulk Movie and the statements made about and from Banner, he has more control when he decides to turn into hulk v. being angered into hulk."

5/10/2012 10:30:17 AM

Yea, it was definitely glossed over. They had the security guard talking to him in the empty building who insinuated he aimed himself towards a safe landing spot instead of taking out a populated area. I took that to mean, that while he is the Hulk he actually does have some level of control over his actions, even though he previously thought he had no control. That reassurance gave him the confidence necessary to control the Hulk further in the ending action sequences.

I wouldn't necessarily call it a plot hole, but it certainly could have been more clearly defined, if my interpretation is accurate.

5/10/2012 10:31:23 AM

I don't agree with that.

I think he has control the entire movie, he just loses it in that one attack by hawkeye.

He hints at this a couple times.

The main hint being before the attack when he is angry at the group and he asks them something along the lines of 'you want to see how i control it?' but then something happens and he says 'sorry guess you dont get to see my trick' or something to that effect.

I took that as an indication he was going to just switch right there to show them.

So tl;dr version: I think losing control was the anomaly, not being able to control it at the end of the film.

5/10/2012 10:34:20 AM

^i think that scene had more to do with the bit of power that Loki's staff had over the group. slowly plotting them against each other, which was his plan. I thought the power from the tesseract was causing Banner to slowly lose it once everyone began fighting

I may have blinked, but wasn't banner just suddenly shown holding the staff before the whole group argument is finally stopped?

5/10/2012 10:56:04 AM

Yep

5/10/2012 11:01:30 AM

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"I don't agree with that. I think he has control the entire movie, he just loses it in that one attack by hawkeye."

He was only the Hulk twice during the movie...so saying he "has control the entire movie" isn't quite right.

I would put it more in line with Biggs explanation that when he makes himself Hulk or wants to be the Hulk for a certain reason (fighting against Aliens) then he is better able to control it. But when a random act occurs and he's already in a hostile environment (he was just starting to get really pissed at SHIELD when Hawkeye attacked), then he acts all crazy Hulk.

5/10/2012 11:06:21 AM

I think because he is the hulk so few times that saying he has control is the most likely explanation.

Not to mention at the beginning when Black Widow comes for him, he flips out and slams the table, clearly mad, and in control of it.

Plus his explanation that he is always angry implies the hulk is always there, he is just in control of when it comes out.

5/10/2012 11:28:47 AM

He was the Hulk twice. He was in control of it once and not in control once. 50/50.

When he slammed his hand on the table, he was not the Hulk. He was just starting to change...but he stopped himself. So he can obviously calm himself down, but that doesn't mean he was going to be in control

5/10/2012 11:30:58 AM

?

You cant just say he wasn't the hulk and he stopped himself from changing. There is no reason to think that, nor any evidence to support thinking that

There is reason to think that he WAS the hulk and in control of it because he says at the end of the movie 'I'm always angry' and he quite clearly lets the hulk out on purpose.

I mean I realize there is no definitive answer one way or the other, but over the course of the movie they make it pretty easy to infer that he is able to control it most of the time. Obviously the 'mind gem' encounter threw that for a loop. But that makes far more sense than saying he just mysteriously learned to control it while he was falling out of the sky.

5/10/2012 11:43:35 AM

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"I felt like Hulk in the actual Hulk movie was a lot bigger."

It's quite simple really. If he's the main character in a film, he can be as big as you want. But if he's on a team, it's going to look rather awkward to have him much larger than the other characters. I mean, shit, it might even be difficult to fit him in the poster.

I agree with people saying Captain America is a lot better here. I still can't believe I went to see an entire film about this dude. What's his super power? He's really buff.

5/10/2012 11:49:52 AM

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"You cant just say he wasn't the hulk and he stopped himself from changing."

It's pretty easy. He wasn't green and big. He was Bruce Banner, was starting to get angry and change into Hulk....then he stopped. It isn't white/black to me. There's definitely a gray area...but that's just MO.

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"But that makes far more sense than saying he just mysteriously learned to control it while he was falling out of the sky."

I don't see anyone saying that. I think that most people are saying that when something spontaneously happens and he turns into the Hulk, that he has trouble and/or can't control it.

But when he knows what's going on and purposefully changes into the Hulk...that he's more able to control it.

Anyone care to analyze why he punched Thor in the train station (I think it was the train station)?? I know it was funny and was an attempt at humor...but I also took it as him still not liking Thor and remembering it from their fight earlier. A small snippet of him not being in complete control of the Hulk, even during that whole fight sequence.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 11:56 AM. Reason : .]

5/10/2012 11:53:15 AM

he was getting the final "word" in from their fight earlier. pretty simple really. Shows he's aware of his actions and surroundings. I didn't read much more into than that. but it was hilarious

5/10/2012 12:02:03 PM

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"Not to mention at the beginning when Black Widow comes for him, he flips out and slams the table, clearly mad, and in control of it."

I remember him saying "lol jk I just wanted to see your reaction if I got mad", so it didn't seem to me that he was mad at all, just testing her. As far as all the theories about his control goes, even though some of them make good sense it isn't addressed in the movie in any way so yes, it is still a plot hole.

Overall though I really liked the movie, even if Loki's plastic helmet did look absolutely awful.

5/10/2012 12:22:49 PM

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"Anyone care to analyze why he punched Thor in the train station (I think it was the train station)?? I know it was funny and was an attempt at humor...but I also took it as him still not liking Thor and remembering it from their fight earlier. A small snippet of him not being in complete control of the Hulk, even during that whole fight sequence."

Yeah i just took it as comedic relief.

5/10/2012 12:34:46 PM

Hulk in the airship: Confined quarters, Hulk always has a thing about the military trying to capture him in the comics. People actively attacking him, so he fights back. Maybe he thought BW had attacked him right as the Hulk first gained consciousness, etc.

Hulk at the end: Open air, fighting alongside people with a common enemy. That's something else that comes up in the early comics. Hulk will ally with people from time to time if he sees a common enemy. The flip side of that coin is that Hulk also remembers who he fought, so if Thor was an enemy on the airship he'd be an enemy later as well.

Question: I missed a bit of dialog during the first Hulk transformation. BW is trapped under something, Bruce becomes the Hulk, and then BW says what sounded to me like "Purse!" Can't be right, but I have no idea. Noisy theaters.

[Edited on May 10, 2012 at 12:45 PM. Reason : -]

5/10/2012 12:39:52 PM

^ Thought she was saying, "Bruce!!"

5/10/2012 1:11:49 PM

Makes more sense than "Purse!"

5/10/2012 1:38:33 PM