Newton wasnt cut (with "cut" in football obviously meaning let go due to performance level), he was kicked off for stealing a laptop.

8/27/2012 6:14:36 PM

semantics are so cool Jaybee

RW wasn't released due to performance, he was let go because he wanted to play baseball

8/27/2012 6:15:21 PM

I usually hate them too, but thats a clear divide. Da'Rick wasnt cut by any means

8/27/2012 6:16:25 PM

^^

well more accurately, he left to play baseball, but didn't withdraw from school. He couldn't commit to being at spring practice or that he'd play in the fall, so TOB named Glennon starter. When it became apparent that baseball wouldn't pan out, RW wanted to come back. TOB said sure, but you're coming back as the backup, he asked for a scholly release to transfer.

It was never a decision of RW for one year or MG for two.

It was a decision of maaaybe RW for one year, definitely MG for two, or maybe lose both. RW didn't decide to play his last season of football until late june of last year.

8/27/2012 6:48:42 PM

Wilson made 3 of the top 10 NFL preseason plays on the 6:30 Sportscenter.

8/27/2012 7:03:46 PM

If the lord and savior jesus christ asks you to accept him 1 minute before you die what do you do? Ask for two minutes of purgatory instead?

8/27/2012 7:05:59 PM

Guessing is guessing. RW might've beaten those teams if he were here or maybe he would've http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/boxscore?gid=201010160099

8/27/2012 7:34:33 PM

I love how magically we win at Wake with RW last year, even though we never fucking win at Wake.

Suspend face please. Or stop him from posting in this thread.

I thought he had his thread to post in?

8/27/2012 7:52:26 PM

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"Suspend face please. Or stop him from posting in this thread. I thought he had his thread to post in?"

I'll sign this petition. Where do I sign?

8/27/2012 8:03:48 PM

without me there'd just be a lot of people talking about things they don't know much about

8/27/2012 9:05:45 PM

Save your keystrokes asking him to be suspended for holding a different opinion. It's not happening.

8/27/2012 9:09:08 PM

I dont even want to talk about it anymore. I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up.

We made a huge mistake. One of the biggest ones I've ever seen. It blew up on us.

Okay. It's over. Let's move on.


It will certainly be TOB's legacy when it's all said and done though. Our program simply isn't in good shape right now and there's always going to be a cloud of "what if" surrounding the program. It will grow larger as RW becomes the elite NFL QB that we all believe he will be.


Ultimately, we'll never know what would have happened with another season of RW. But we DO know what's going to happen after we lose Glennon. We'll lose. A lot. That's not going to go over well with the fan base who is still pissed about us releasing arguably our best football player ever.


I'm still a Russell Wilson fan and I'm going to cheer for him in the NFL. I don't care if there are some losers out there in our fan base who are re-directing their anger towards TOB at Russell Wilson. That doesn't matter to me.

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 9:25 PM. Reason : a]

8/27/2012 9:24:10 PM

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"But we DO know what's going to happen after we lose Glennon. We'll lose. A lot."

We also DO know what would've happened if RW had played for us last year. We'd lose him to the draft and lose Glennon to transfer. And THIS SEASON (I live in the now, not the past, btw), we'd lose. A lot.

But I forgot, you're an NFL fan and not a football fan. You don't follow college football. We'd probably go 4-8 this year.

To put it in terms you'd actually understand, would you rather own a stock with 10% returns for 1 year, or a stock with 35% returns over 2 years?

8/27/2012 9:46:44 PM

Yet another face masterpiece...

8/27/2012 9:47:45 PM

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"If the lord and savior jesus christ asks you to accept him 1 minute before you die what do you do? Ask for two minutes of purgatory instead?"

I'd ask him to punch you in the cunt.

8/27/2012 9:53:49 PM

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"Ultimately, we'll never know what would have happened with another season of RW. But we DO know what's going to happen after we lose Glennon."

At least we won't have to wonder what we could've done with two seasons of Glennon.

We beat Carolina, won a bowl game, and finished 8-5 with him last year. We'll find out what happens this year, but I can almost guarantee that 2012 with Glennon >> 2012 without Glennon

8/27/2012 10:20:52 PM

Wanted to add that I got RW in Round 15 of both of my fantasy drafts yesterday. Feeling pretty good about that.

I'm considering starting him over Big Ben in week one ... partly because I think he'll do awesome and partly because I hate Big Ben

8/27/2012 10:24:56 PM

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"I dont even want to talk about it anymore. I'm not the one who keeps bringing it up. OH WAIT A SECOND LET ME TROLL MY WAY INTO BRINGING IT UP AGAIN Okay. It's over. Let's move on. JUST KIDDING!!!! LET ME HACK OUT 3 MORE PARAGRAPHS ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID I DON'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT ANY MORE."

Classic face.

8/27/2012 10:36:58 PM

Without the miracle comeback against UMD, TOB gets fired last year. No need to put too much stock in some coach who is borderline.

8/27/2012 11:14:43 PM

coach with the greatest bowl game winning percentage in NCAA history = borderline

thanks

8/27/2012 11:18:03 PM

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"Our program simply isn't in good shape right now"

We have possibly the best secondary we have ever had. Rough Riders were good too (Lloyd Harrison, Tony Scott, Adrian Wilson, and Brian Williams). All 4 played NFL ball.

Dline and RB are looking stout for the next few years.

We already have a 2-year D1 starter at QB on the roster to replace Glennon.

Again some weak ass trolling.

[Edited on August 27, 2012 at 11:52 PM. Reason : Love how face turns a RW thread into bash TOB thread]

8/27/2012 11:45:34 PM

To be fair, BC's lousy fans dooming their teams to always slip to the worst possible bowl game share a lot of the credit. I mean, they had to create a rule just to guarantee a non-BCS BC team doesn't get skipped by every other bowl eligible ACC school.

8/27/2012 11:49:54 PM

Lol I thought this was the football 2012 thread. Wtf.

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 7:50 AM. Reason : Duh]

8/28/2012 7:43:37 AM

i do not care for O'Brien either, but this is not the thread for that

8/28/2012 7:49:45 AM

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"Save your keystrokes asking him to be suspended for holding a different opinion. It's not happening."

not that i'm asking him to be suspended, but you do recognize that he's blatantly baiting and bashing, right? he's not serious, he's looking for attention and a reaction. you see that, right?

8/28/2012 9:18:01 AM

funny, that's what I think about the rest of you. I explained a year ago why it was the wrong decision, and you guys got all huffy and said I was wrong. Now that you realize I was right, you just get huffy and say "we didn't know he'd be this good! it was impossible to know!". Just give it up already, everyone is tired of reading/posting about it.

It doesn't make you a bad fan to admit that you and TOB were wrong and that it was a mistake to release Russell Wilson.

It doesn't make me a bad fan to pull for him to do well in Seattle.


And for the record, I think Glennon will be pretty good this year. Overall, our team is weak but we have the potential conference POY on both sides of the ball which will mask a lot of our deficiencies. However, they are both gone after this year and then we will not be any good. That much we can all see.

8/28/2012 9:50:39 AM

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"It doesn't make me a bad fan to pull for him to do well in Seattle."

no one is saying it does, yet you keep repeating it. why?

please stop, rally.

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 9:56 AM. Reason : ]

8/28/2012 9:51:24 AM

I support TOB's decision last year 100% but yet I also support RW's decision to transfer to a school that could take him to the NFL, and I support him in the NFL 100%. I'm now a bandwagon Seahawks fan, I admit it.

We did well last season with Glennon, we will definitely do better this season than we would have done with Brosius or Stocker. People can say that RW would have taken us to the ACC Championship last year all they want, but there's no guarantee that would have happened. We would have had to go through Clemson and FSU to get there. In my opinion the best result we could have hoped for would have been another Champs or Chick-Fil-A Bowl.

So I'm happy with the way things went, and I think everyone else should be too.

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 10:03 AM. Reason : .]

8/28/2012 10:03:31 AM

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"Just give it up already, everyone is tired of reading/posting about it."

classic face trolling. "stop posting about it! *types two more paragraphs about it".

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"Now that you realize I was right, you just get huffy and say "we didn't know he'd be this good! it was impossible to know!". "

Yes, because EVERYONE here said RW was sucky and was a terrible QB and would be absolute shit no matter where he played last year. yep.

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"It doesn't make you a bad fan to admit that you and TOB were wrong and that it was a mistake to release Russell Wilson."

that's some good trolling!

8/28/2012 10:20:27 AM

I can see this thread turning into what the Sidney Lowe Credibility Watch thread was

8/28/2012 11:49:16 AM

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"I'm considering starting him over Big Ben in week one ."

i would start half the damn NFL qbs over big ben. dude is not a good fantasy qb.

8/28/2012 11:52:22 AM

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"I support TOB's decision last year 100% but yet I also support RW's decision"

nail on head.

too many people need to find a villain in that situation. There isn't one, nor does there have to be.

8/28/2012 1:04:26 PM

Final point.

We would have played Virginia Tech in the ACC Championship.


Clemson and FSU are in our division. The two division winners play each other.

8/28/2012 2:46:33 PM

8/28/2012 3:42:15 PM

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"Final point. We would have played Virginia Tech in the ACC Championship. Clemson and FSU are in our division. The two division winners play each other."

RW playing for NC State has no effect on Clemson and FSU's records outside of their games with State. We already won the Clemson game yet we were still behind them in the record. Winning at FSU would have put us above Clemson, but not FSU. We would have needed WF, BC and FSU wins in order to overtake both of those teams and be at the top of the division. I just don't see RW only sealing us three more in-conference wins.

8/28/2012 3:49:25 PM

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"We would have played Virginia Tech in the ACC Championship."

Wonder if Russel would have shit the bed in that game like he did the year before??

8/28/2012 3:50:28 PM

Incorrect.

If we beat BC and Wake then we are in the title game. We could also have lost one of those games if we beat FSU instead.

Let's get the facts straight.

Losing to BC and Wake cost us a spot in the ACC title game.

8/28/2012 5:12:16 PM

Our shitty injured D cost us the game against Wake. We were down 27-6 before the D finally started making stops and the O came alive. And then we lost 34-0 to FSU. I'd say it's a fairly big stretch to say that we'd have won both those games with RW. I don't remember much about the BC game other than we lost and it was an ugly, low scoring game (14-10, I think). But it's a stretch to say that having RW last year would have definitely put us in the ACCCG.

Oh and...

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" too many people need to find a villain in that situation. There isn't one, nor does there have to be."

8/28/2012 5:18:40 PM

I never said we DEFINITELY would have been in the championship game.

It's pretty obvious that we'd have a significantly better chance though.


The FSU game wasn't as lopsided as you think. Glennon simply couldn't get a first down so FSU started at the 50 yard line every possession. He averaged less than 4 yards per pass. That's almost not believable in college. We may not have won the game, but given that RW lit FSU both of the last two years, it's certainly possible.

Glennon was awful again in the Wake game. The defense didn't play well that is true, but Wilson could have kept us in it. Glennon threw nothing but check down passes and took sacks like a champ for the first 3 quarters. When he finally started throwing the ball in the 4th quarter it worked, but it was too late by then.


And please don't blame the VT game two years ago on Wilson. He had one bad INT in the back of the end zone before halftime. Other than that he played his ass off that game. We lost that game because of broken tackles, missed sacks, and awful special teams. It's just ridiculous to act like Wilson didn't have a good game. He was on the run on 95% of his passing plays.

If you want to fault Wilson for a loss look at ECU. That one was his fault (though our defensive coordinator deserves some blame for not trying to stop ECU from scoring in the first quarter).

If you want to fault TOB look at the loss to Clemson two years ago when he went against basic strategy and decided to punt instead of trying to win.

If you want to fault the refs look at Maryland two years ago when they gave them a terrible first down and then refused to overrule it on instant replay.



Now, can we move on? Can the ones of us who want to cheer for Russell do it? Can the ones of us who realistically point out that the program is moving in the wrong direction do it?

Look, I don't even care what happens to us as long as we beat UNC every year. But there's no way TOB is going to survive this Russell Wilson fiasco. This was his Watergate moment. He's not going to be able to escape it when we start losing.

8/28/2012 5:29:05 PM

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"Can the ones of us who want to cheer for Russell do it? "

Jesus Christ. Martin, please stop! I think the vast majority of of us are cheering for Russell.



[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

8/28/2012 5:35:53 PM

Oh i see it's fine for you guys to ramble on bashing Wilson but the second someone presents an intelligent opinion you can't take it.

Look. The media is going to be all over this. They love a good sweetheart.

Russell Wilson is going to be the new darling of the NFL. He's the 3rd round pick that no one has ever heard of who is likely going to be just as good as two of the most heralded rookie QB prospects the NFL has ever seen.

The stories at first will be "How did Miami take Tannehill over this guy?" "How did everyone miss on him?" "Who knew a short QB could succeed?".

JUST WAIT UNTIL THEY REALIZED WE RELEASED HIM. The media loves a story about a kid overcoming adversity. The storyline will be "After struggling to make his mark in baseball, Wilson attempted to return to little known NC State where he once attended because no one else thought he could play QB in Division 1. A program with almost no discernible football history where he had quietly spent three years accumulating awards and accomplishments. But to everyone's surprise NC state didn't even want him! He had to go elsewhere just to continue his football career. At the time it looked bleak for him ever to set foot in the NFL, after having been released from a middling football program in the ACC. But Wilson overcame adversity again!"

Dude, I'm telling you. The Seahawks are slight favorites to win that (bad) division now. If he leads Seattle to the playoffs as a ROOKIE he's going to get a lot of attention. This is not going to play well, at all. Fortunately, we're probably going to be okay this year. But next year we look terrible and that's when it will all come to a boil.

8/28/2012 5:47:05 PM

Media is going to handle it exactly as they have already. Wilson left for baseball. Then he went to Wisconsin.

Then they're going to compare his religious views to Tim Tebow, his scrambling to Tim Tebow, Tim Tebow's scambling to Tim Tebow's scrambling at Florida, Tim Tebow's batting average, and how well Tim Tebow might fare in MLB.

8/28/2012 5:51:08 PM

I have to admit, face is bringing the heat this page

8/28/2012 5:57:59 PM

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"Oh i see it's fine for you guys to ramble on bashing Wilson "

Please show me anywhere where we have bashed him. Everyone on here is happy for the guy. We loved him when he was here, cheered for him at Wisconsin, and will continue to cheer for him at Seattle.

It was a no win situation last year and the best possible outcome happened. Everyone won. Russell got to play and we had a good year. What else do you want? The last year ACCCG pipe dream is BS and you know it.

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"Can the ones of us who want to cheer for Russell do it? "

Can you please be a little less obvious in your trolling?

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"Dude, I'm telling you. The Seahawks are slight favorites to win that (bad) division now. "

For someone that prides themselves on being an NFL fan and not caring about CFB, you seem to have forgotten about this little known team from the bay area. I agree the Seahawks will be significantly improved this year, but I doubt that they would be considered favorites in that division.

Since there is no need for a Starting QB Watch anymore can we lock this thread?

8/28/2012 6:06:12 PM

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"Oh i see it's fine for you guys to ramble on bashing Wilson"

now see, this is what i'm talking about.
this is not a "differing opinion", this is just blatant trolling. no one is doing that, yet you repeat it over and over again.

8/28/2012 6:12:10 PM

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"Buncha Benedict Arnold fans in this thread. You know what the Patriots did to the Loyalists after the war, right?"

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"i'm amazed people still care after he tried to spin his failed baseball career as TOB not giving him a fair chance to play last year"

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"^LOL that he represents State anymore...every single talking head this morning was discussing Wisconsin - nary a peep about State he had an "equal opportunity to compete for the starting job"...in spring ball...which he skipped. when he asked for his release, he tried to pin it all on TOB hey, you can go on loving him all you want. lots of people wear rose colored glasses. you see it with people down the street defending butch davis to the death"

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"Exactly, which is why you fucks that still pine for this traitor make me sick. He left; he's a Badger now. Move the fuck on. Who cares what he does now? He doesn't represent the Wolfpack anymore. I hope he pulls a hammy in his first starting action "

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" maybe not, but he doesn't deserve all the praise he still gets here either. he was Jesus while he was here, but he's Judas now. "

Also, I would classify all these "Glennon was about as good as Wilson last year" posts as slights against Wilson because it's obviously incorrect and it's an indirect slight at Wilson's abilities to compare him to a guy who sucked for the first 70% of the season before finding his way.



And the 49ers were good LAST year. This is a new year. They are most likely a ~.500 team this year. Seahawks could easily win that division if they get to 8-9 wins. 49ers under 10 wins is one of the easiest NFL props you'll ever see. If they somehow manage to get to 10 wins you still push and 11 wins would take an act of congress for that team.

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 6:18 PM. Reason : a]

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 6:20 PM. Reason : a]

8/28/2012 6:18:10 PM

All of those quotes came from 3 people, which is the vast minority, and they were quickly bashed for their RW bashing

8/28/2012 6:23:40 PM

You only use quotes from two people, Førte and goalielax and that's supposed to be a representative sample.

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"who sucked for the first 70% of the season before finding his way"

111.0, 142.3, 266.1, 154.6, 132.0, 149.2, 125.8, 76.2, 94.2, 111.2, 172.9, 138.6, 154.8

Those are his game by game QB ratings last year. 70% would be his first nine games. Outside of FSU I don't see a "QB who sucked"

Also,

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"Since there is no need for a Starting QB Watch anymore can we lock this thread?"

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 6:35 PM. Reason : .]

8/28/2012 6:28:45 PM

If we'd cut Philip Rivers so that Marcus Stone didn't transfer before his Sophomore year, a lot of you would change your tune.

For whatever reason, Russell was just always vastly underappreciated here. The guy almost singlehandedly took an awful football program back to respectability and yet he gets mixed levels of appreciation.

Yeah a lot of people think he was okay. But they also tried to blame countless games on him when he was the only reason we didn't lose most games 34-0 or 44-14 (Like Glennon did vs FSU and Cincinnati).

The bottom line is if you compare the college career of Russell Wilson to Philip Rivers, Wilson did more with less. Rivers had the benefits of playing with great receivers and running backs. Wilson had to do most of it on his own.

Rivers is remembered for being a great freshman (though we later learned a lot of that was Koren's doing) and an amazing senior season. His So. and Jr. seasons he was a solid but not spectacular QB.

Wilson was pretty darn awesome every year even with no weapons at NC State. And then as a senior when he got comparable talent he was near flawless.

Anyway, Glennon should be a very good college QB this year. I'm not criticizing Glennon. When Glennon played the first 2/3 of the season as a bad QB we were the worst team in the entire ACC. When he played the last 1/3 of the season as a good QB we were a pretty decent team.

That means we have a chance this year. It also means we're going to stink again next year.

8/28/2012 6:32:51 PM

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"And then as a senior when he got comparable talent he was near flawless"

Are you trying to say that the talent around River's was as good as Wisconsin last year?

[Edited on August 28, 2012 at 6:39 PM. Reason : I know I shouldn't respond but I cant help it]

8/28/2012 6:38:28 PM