Nah, it makes you a radical. Democrats (who are center right) are the moderates

8/14/2017 2:51:08 PM

i mean i'm a radical socialist, i just don't think anyone changes their ideology because of a message board

[Edited on August 14, 2017 at 2:52 PM. Reason : so if i think your argument is stupid i have no reason not to say so]

8/14/2017 2:52:19 PM

If you have a meaningful critique of capitalism, it makes you a radical relative to our corporately backed center.

8/14/2017 2:52:52 PM

Right wing radicals are vandalizing public property in Durham right now.

8/14/2017 8:48:19 PM

Really? I heard it was the other way around, and that protesters were taking down confederate monuments.

8/14/2017 9:18:28 PM

If there was any doubt over which side decided to show up and start shit, this VICE report makes it pretty clear,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIrcB1sAN8I&feature=youtu.be

Also this is a nice summary of events,

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" "There seems to be a perception from people outside of Charlottesville that what is going on here is two opposing groups coming to town and fighting some ideological battle that has gotten messy. That is not what is happening here. What is happening here is that several hate groups from the extreme right have come together under the "unite the right" banner here in our town and basically started acting as terrorists. This may seem like an exaggeration but it's not. A church service was held over because they had surrounded the building and police had to disperse them. People had to be escorted to their cars. My friend was there with her daughter. Everywhere they meet, businesses close. We had drive by shootings yesterday from a van marked kkk. A car plowed into a huge group of people. I'm sure you saw that on the newsfeeds. What you probably didn't see is that some of those people were on their way back from helping to repel a white supremacist march to predominately black housing development a few blocks away where they were attempting home invasions. I guess they were unfamiliar with the neighborhood. The residents repelled that one before antifa got there but there is some video of the alt-right folks getting run off on the daily progress twitter feed, if you're interested. So, basically, what I'd like you to understand is, this IS NOT two side egging eachother on to unavoidable violence for more attention. This is one side of terrorists declaring that they can and will hold a town hostage (they've been saying it for over a month now, actually) and the town responding to that threat. The car that killed and injured people yesterday? Ohio tags. The medic tents (which treated both sides... turns out the alt right erst didn’t bring any medics. Guess they planned on doing all the injuring), water bottles, snacks, shade tents (all volunteer, donations, none shut down by police... all manned by that radical left you keep hearing about) yeah, we all live here. I saw a lot of people I knew yesterday, none of them were speaking for unite the right. None of them were escalating violence, most of them were offering some kind of aid and defending.""

Basically it was an invasion of foreign terrorists repelled by locals.

[Edited on August 14, 2017 at 10:13 PM. Reason : .]

8/14/2017 10:03:50 PM

lol, most of the nazis in that video look exactly like der untermensch

8/14/2017 11:19:13 PM

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"Really? I heard it was the other way around, and that protesters were taking down confederate monuments."

But why would Democrats vandalize the monuments they put up?

8/15/2017 1:01:19 AM

but why would you attempt a lazy argument that is free of historical context?

8/15/2017 1:05:22 AM

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"But if the nazis showed up looking scary and some folks didn't like it, that's one thing. If the nazis started the violence then they deserve whatever punches they got and continue to get."

Holy fuck. You really think that's it, don't you? That when emboldened white supremacists hurt people's feelings it's just a 'thing' while the other side of the coin is 'well they started it, so they deserved it.'

8/15/2017 2:03:31 AM

i like how depraved radicals on one side are evil, but depraved radicals on the other are pure as the wind driven snow.

violence and destruction is ok, when its against the people you dont like. gotcha

8/15/2017 3:22:51 AM

Actually I view the antifa people as misguided. I view the neo nazis as evil. Once you decide to become a nazi, despite what American History X would tell you, there's no coming back.

8/15/2017 7:04:13 AM

http://www.npr.org/2017/08/14/543462676/why-the-govt-cant-bring-terrorism-charges-in-charlottesville

Why The Government Can't Bring Terrorism Charges In Charlottesville

So domestic terrorism isn't a crime in the US... WTF

Quote :

"But according to the Justice Department and legal analysts, it's simply not possible for the government to file charges of domestic terrorism, because no such criminal law exists."

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""And the third is, this is an act of domestic terror, which isn't itself a crime," he noted. In short, the government can't file a criminal charge of domestic terrorism, but so defining the incident does allow it to investigate not only an individual suspect, but also any group the suspect may be affiliated with."

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"Consider this hypothetical: If the Charlottesville attacker emerged from the car and said he was acting on behalf of the Islamic State, he could be charged with international terrorism, according to Katyal."

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"On the legal front, there's still a good deal of resistance to creating a criminal charge of domestic terrorism. "It's an incredibly broad label," said Hina Shamsi, director of the national security project at the American Civil Liberties Union. "There's a real danger of the government criminalizing ideology, theology and beliefs rather than focusing on specific criminal acts." She said creating a domestic terrorism charge could quickly raise all sorts of political questions about free speech and religion. The ACLU opposes any such law, believing it could be politicized and used, for example, against anti-war groups or environmental activists."

Read all to get the full picture.

But that's fucked up and hypocritical.

International terrorism is a crime, but domestic terrorism isn't, gotcha!

8/15/2017 8:00:36 AM

I'll go ahead and defer to the ACLU here and not angry guy on the internet... and assume, as stated, theirnare good reasons.

8/15/2017 8:24:48 AM

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"Basically it was an invasion of foreign terrorists repelled by locals.foreign terrorists"

fixed it for you. Antifa was present, and they are not locals.

8/15/2017 10:01:39 AM

such a great image. Black guy on the far right was thinking "I'm going to cover my face so that if this shit goes bad, I won't get doxxed all over the internet". Black guy beside him is thinking "fuck it, if shit goes bad, I want second degree burns on my chest that a cotton t-shirt likely would have prevented. better cover my face with a polyester rag so that it will melt to my face when this can explodes too."

white guys at the top of the stairs look too stupid to be thinking anything. white guy at the bottom of the stairs looks like he wants to call himself in as a silver alert.

8/15/2017 10:20:21 AM

I really have no idea how you can equate Antifa with White Nationalism. Do you wake up in the morning knowing you're a bigot, or do you need to be reminded day-to-day?

You'll have a foot to stand on when Antifa starts lynching people, sets up a good old fashioned gas chamber, or maybe just fatally runs a car through a group of protesters.

8/15/2017 10:57:15 AM

Antifa is just as racist as any other group present in Charlottesville this weekend, and historically more violent. They may not have killed anyone with a car, but they love throwing bricks and bottles of piss at people.

8/15/2017 11:13:56 AM

Racism is a function of power, black people cannot be racist. As bigoted as you, sure, but not racist. That in no way excuses those posters you cherry picked, sadly some people within that movement are as prejudiced as any White National.

I'm also not sure how you can say Antifa is more violent than proponents/descendants of groups of people that have historically lynched blacks and/or set about the genocide of Jews. If this were the 50's and 60's you'd be bitching about civil rights protesters facing off against the KKK.

8/15/2017 11:19:43 AM

^^
Except that is fake nonsense:

http://archive.is/KLt8D#selection-2999.0-3005.22

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"Another head's up - we did not create or distribute this one either. This is not our message. This come across like what white supremacists tell each other about anti-fascists. Not very clever! Still, annoying."

https://archive.is/Du3sH

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"This is a false flag and I love it We need to start posting these all over, but not in a way that'll make us look like retards (see: spastikas drawn by Jewish sociology professors)."

i don't know how you couldn't immediately tell that was fake, antifa is largely (mostly?) white people and this was very clearly written by a white supremacist

[Edited on August 15, 2017 at 11:28 AM. Reason : .]

8/15/2017 11:27:15 AM

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"Antifa is just as racist as any other group present in Charlottesville this weekend, and historically more violent"

Yeah Antifa is way worse than Nazis ever were.

8/15/2017 11:59:37 AM

Antifa is anti-fascist and leans anarchist because they believe that the state is incapable of using its power to protect the oppressed and marginalized. And that they disproportionately use state violence to protect the already powerful and property more than the average citizen.

Hmmm....I wonder why they've come to that conclusion?

Cornel West, who was at the protests, thanked antifa for protecting members of the clergy:

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"Absolutely. You had a number of the courageous students, of all colors, at the University of Virginia who were protesting against the neofascists themselves. The neofascists had their own ammunition. And this is very important to keep in mind, because the police, for the most part, pulled back. The next day, for example, those 20 of us who were standing, many of them clergy, we would have been crushed like cockroaches if it were not for the anarchists and the antifascists who approached, over 300, 350 antifascists. We just had 20. And we’re singing "This Little light of Mine," you know what I mean? ..The antifascists, and then, crucial, the anarchists, because they saved our lives, actually. We would have been completely crushed, and I’ll never forget that."

8/15/2017 12:11:18 PM

"historically more violent" than nazis and the klan? ahahahahahahahahah jesus

8/15/2017 12:15:10 PM

^ yeah, I got a great laugh out of that remark.

Some people in this thread are completely delusional and grasping at straws trying to play the "well both sides are WRONG" game. There was absolutely nothing OK about angry white dudes feeling like they had tacit approval to parade through the streets of Charlottesville carrying torches and deliberately trying to incite violence. If you haven't seen the HBO/Vice episode, you probably should. Listen to the actual words being said by the leader of the White Nationalist efforts- all of them. They are beyond indefensible.

8/15/2017 1:09:49 PM

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"There was absolutely nothing OK about angry white dudes feeling like they had tacit approval to parade through the streets of Charlottesville carrying torches and deliberately trying to incite violence."

You mean except for the First Amendment. Listen, even the ACLU said the white supremacists had right to protest. So you are totally wrong here. The only argument is that the police should have shut down the protest sooner than they did.

8/15/2017 1:19:34 PM

I was under the impression that most of the "antifa" crowd is white people?

8/15/2017 1:20:25 PM

^^Unfettered hate speech/assembly isn't a Constitutional right. That was never the ACLU's position, but if it were, they'd still be wrong.

[Edited on August 15, 2017 at 1:24 PM. Reason : .]

8/15/2017 1:24:16 PM

The ACLU vociferously defends 1A, even in this case. They always have

8/15/2017 1:25:17 PM

Hate speech is 100% protected under the first amendment, and should always be. Think this through before saying it shouldn't be.

8/15/2017 1:27:49 PM

Sure, in America they have every right to be Nazi and/or KKK pieces of shit out in public.

However

Deliberately trying to incite violence is not covered under the first amendment.

Also

AntiFa and other leftist groups (and probably even some run-of-the-mill conservatives) have every right to shout them down.

8/15/2017 1:32:36 PM

They specifically defend "hate speech" that incites violence?

Like they literally say they support it, or they say they support the 1A? Because there's a pretty big distinction.

^ Exactly. Deliberately trying to incite violence isn't the same thing as just saying hateful things.



[Edited on August 15, 2017 at 1:34 PM. Reason : ugh I just said "things" ala RJR]

8/15/2017 1:32:57 PM

Hate speech is not the same as inciting violence. The poster above said hate speech is not covered under 1A.

8/15/2017 1:38:58 PM

Hate speech can and absolutely does lead to violence. It may not always lead to it, but are you seriously arguing otherwise?

8/15/2017 1:46:43 PM

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"Hate speech is not the same as inciting violence."

8/15/2017 1:51:46 PM

Did you even watch the HBO/Vice episode? Because that's what I was specifically talking about. It's cute that you want to quibble about semantics, but the leader of that POS group specifically discusses violent intentions on multiple occasions during his interview.

8/15/2017 1:56:26 PM

Here it is if you'd like to watch it or read about it:
http://www.avclub.com/article/watch-striking-infuriating-vice-documentary-about--259479

8/15/2017 3:27:00 PM

We live in extraordinary times with a POTUS that is a racist and alt-right nazi sympathizer. He has one on his staff and only issued a condemnation way too late when forced. The first statement was the real one and it was a dog whistle.

8/15/2017 3:31:33 PM

billy bad butt from that Vice thing said they need a leader like Trump, but someone who is much more racist than Trump

8/15/2017 3:47:56 PM

Mel Gibson?

8/15/2017 3:52:18 PM

Gonna go ahead and stir the Russia conspiracy pot:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics

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"Russia should use its special services within the borders of the United States to fuel instability and separatism, for instance, provoke "Afro-American racists". Russia should "introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics."[1]"

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/politics/trump-charlottesville-delay/index.html

8/15/2017 6:02:09 PM

http://www.wbtv.com/clip/13596067/full-interview-members-of-the-loyal-white-knights-speak-to-steve-crump?clienttype=generic

shoutout to these three for using some of the same talking points that eleusis has been using

8/16/2017 12:29:22 AM

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"Racism is a function of power, black people cannot be racist."

This tired old nonsense. I heard the same bull shit lies when i was in college well over a decade ago. So a white guy who hates blacks in the US is racist, but he moves to Japan (still hates blacks) but is no longer a racist because he no longer has power right.

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"Yeah Antifa is way worse than Nazis ever were."

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"I'm also not sure how you can say Antifa is more violent than proponents/descendants of groups of people that have historically lynched blacks and/or set about the genocide of Jews"

Maybe not Antifa specifically, but if you want to compare the body count/genocide of Fascism/National Socialism to the body count of Communism/international socialism, then I think you will find the commies slaughtered 10s of millions more innocent people, and the gulags were equitable to any atrocious concentration camp in Nazi controlled territory.

furthermore

Why can a college kid freely walk around campus with this:



but not this:



When one ideology was exponentially worse than the other as far as brutality and atrocity and death

I know the answer, the above statement is rhetorical

[Edited on August 16, 2017 at 12:43 AM. Reason : .]

8/16/2017 12:31:43 AM

The Catholic Church has killed FAR more people than Isis, so why can a college kid freely walk around campus with this:



But not this:



When one ideology was exponentially worse than the other as far as brutality and atrocity and death

8/16/2017 12:45:49 AM

glad to see all the people who have tiptoed around their racism in the past now happily coming out from the shadows

8/16/2017 12:48:30 AM

because in modern times Islam is still slaughtering people by the thousands, and the Catholic church is not.

Same could be said about communism and fascism

And for the record, i am not condoning Nazism, I am simply pointing out and condemning all atrocity

[Edited on August 16, 2017 at 12:58 AM. Reason : .]

8/16/2017 12:56:43 AM

^ Tell that to Joseph Kony

8/16/2017 12:59:06 AM

isolated exceptions do not disprove reality im afraid

8/16/2017 1:01:02 AM

^ Tell that to the people murdered by Joseph Kony

8/16/2017 1:06:27 AM

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"because in modern times Islam is still slaughtering people by the thousands, and the Catholic church is not."

Yeah, pedophilia is more their style these days.

8/16/2017 1:08:04 AM

20 Million people have been killed by the US since WWII, but I'm sure you wear your red white and blue's every July 4th.

8/16/2017 1:08:12 AM