TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
run defense = not ballers 9/6/2014 9:03:55 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25534 Posts user info edit post |
^which is why our needs = ballers 9/6/2014 9:06:09 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Jesus people. We stopped them one time. What more do you want from this defense? 9/6/2014 9:07:19 PM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
Might as well dust this off from whatever horrible season this was originally from.
9/6/2014 9:07:42 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
welp 9/6/2014 9:09:12 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
What a BARNBURNER!!! 9/6/2014 9:10:15 PM |
Restricted All American 15537 Posts user info edit post |
Akron game redux 9/6/2014 9:10:23 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Are we hoping that there's a team out there that won't run with one linebacker in the box? 9/6/2014 9:10:27 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
Year 1: no defense, no offense Year 2: no defense, offense ok Year 3: profit? 9/6/2014 9:11:15 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
It must be black jerseys, because UNC is getting gashed on the run too. 9/6/2014 9:12:31 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
oh thank god theyre stupider than us 9/6/2014 9:12:44 PM |
Restricted All American 15537 Posts user info edit post |
What is our record when our games air on ESPN3? 9/6/2014 9:14:07 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
^absolutely no idea. but it's gotta be < .500 9/6/2014 9:15:11 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
470 yards offense for ODU already. Sure to be over 500. Fire Huxtable tomorrow 9/6/2014 9:15:25 PM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
Georgia southern is up 83-9 today maybe they aren't so bad after all 9/6/2014 9:15:34 PM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
^4 Also if someone knows:
What is our record when wearing black - FB and BB? What is our record with Ron Cherry as ref?
[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 9:15 PM. Reason : -] 9/6/2014 9:15:36 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
Did I just drop acid or did the feed just get shaky? 9/6/2014 9:15:45 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah GSU is absolutely murdering Sav State. 9/6/2014 9:17:20 PM |
PaulISdead All American 8777 Posts user info edit post |
git it 9/6/2014 9:17:32 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
WOOT WOOT!
I feel like we can beat Florida State easy right now! 9/6/2014 9:17:45 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
We don't hand the ball off in the wildcat. How does a team not adjust to that? haha 9/6/2014 9:17:50 PM |
alfredough All American 1121 Posts user info edit post |
Shadrach = Baller 9/6/2014 9:19:03 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25534 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^4 Also if someone knows:
What is our record when wearing black - FB and BB? What is our record with Ron Cherry as ref?" |
at some point, you've gotta look at the common denominator in all those, right?
seriously, i've never really understood or been a fan of the wildcat...but it's been successful tonight, which is nice to see.9/6/2014 9:19:37 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
LOL, ODU still looks pretty confident against our D. 9/6/2014 9:20:35 PM |
BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
Is the wildcat when the center snaps to the runner guy instead of the qb? 9/6/2014 9:21:20 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37693 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "seriously, i've never really understood or been a fan of the wildcat...but it's been successful tonight, which is nice to see." |
It's basically a read option although I'm not sure I've ever seen a handoff under Doeren
[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 9:23 PM. Reason : ^yes]9/6/2014 9:22:42 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Our defense is horrible. We are playing soft prevent all game. I'd rather see us blitzing and taking risks as it might lead to a turnover or two. The ACC teams are going to score 50 plus on us. 9/6/2014 9:23:14 PM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
4TH DOWN STAAAHHPP
[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 9:24 PM. Reason : eek] 9/6/2014 9:23:33 PM |
Førte All American 23525 Posts user info edit post |
5/6 9/6/2014 9:24:21 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37693 Posts user info edit post |
GO FOR THE COVER! 9/6/2014 9:24:51 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
4 more wins 9/6/2014 9:26:02 PM |
jbtilley All American 12797 Posts user info edit post |
^Hope we have 6 ooc games this year. 9/6/2014 9:27:30 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25534 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Is the wildcat when the center snaps to the runner guy instead of the qb? " |
Yes. Usually the QB set up as a WR or something. It became pretty popular, IIRC, with the Miami Dolphins back 6, or so, years ago. Admittedly, I really don't understand it much. But you snap the ball directly to the RB...from there he obviously has the ability to pass, hand off, run, etc.
Quote : | " It's basically a read option although I'm not sure I've ever seen a handoff under Doeren
" |
That's kinda my point. I understand it in theory. But given how it's generally use...snap to RB and he carries it, I don't know that I really get it. Like, I understand how it should work. I just don't see it as a viable offense for more than a handful of plays each games.9/6/2014 9:27:50 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
WOLFPACK WIN!
and UNC/ECU are both losing. 9/6/2014 9:35:50 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Wasn't pretty, but a win is a win. Offense was really good after the 1st Q and was nearly perfect in the 2nd half. Gotta do something about the defense though. ODU and GSU are both high powered offenses in their leagues, but we shouldn't be giving up 500 yards to them. 9/6/2014 9:40:20 PM |
skywalkr All American 6788 Posts user info edit post |
WHAT CRITICS?!? 9/6/2014 9:41:23 PM |
jocristian All American 7527 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^The idea is that the defense has to have the personnel to combat a normal offense, then you essentially take a defender out of the box when you run the QB out wide so you have better numbers for the run
[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 9:41 PM. Reason : d] 9/6/2014 9:41:23 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
Jacoby, Hines and Thornton are the real deal btw.
So weird that underwood got one touch...but guess he just isn't getting open. 9/6/2014 9:43:14 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25534 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^^^The idea is that the defense has to have the personnel to combat a normal offense, then you essentially take a defender out of the box when you run the QB out wide so you have better numbers for the run" |
Right. But at that point the defense knows it's either a direct snap to the runner or a handoff. Sure, it could be a pass, but that's unlikely. So is it that much of an advantage? It's basically a formation that can work a couple of times a game...which is. But that's it9/6/2014 9:45:06 PM |
jocristian All American 7527 Posts user info edit post |
Obviously there is a reason it's a gadget offense and noone uses it full time. But the advantage is at the huddle, they don't know what it could be. When the QB runs out wide--especially if you have an athletic QB like we do--then they have to have a defender out there to cover him even if it's a slight possibility that he will get thrown to.
I remember watching one of the game tape breakdown shows back when the dolphins were using it alot and having one less player in the box makes a big difference in the blocking schemes. 9/6/2014 9:50:42 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " It became pretty popular, IIRC, with the Miami Dolphins back 6, or so, years ago. " |
Once again, Charlotte sports gets shitted on by the national narrative.
The Panthers and Deangelo Williams singlehandedly beat the Falcons with the Wildcat. Then Miami gets the props for it cause Ronnie and Ricky fucked with it a year or two later.9/6/2014 9:50:53 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
Right, but Kansas St. gets no credit for creating the thing other than the name alluding to it.
They based a season off it, not just a game.
[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 9:56 PM. Reason : f] 9/6/2014 9:54:15 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
whatever, nobody cares about college ball 9/6/2014 9:57:17 PM |
natureboy All American 2803 Posts user info edit post |
Glad we won, hope the defense improves, not sure about running unc's crappy 4-2-5 defense. Why did we not have a punt returner on the field at the beginning of the 4th quarter. The punt just sat there for a while b/c no State player was anywhere to be found. 9/6/2014 10:04:20 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
PSA to all:
4-2-5 just means you run the nickel defense as a base as opposed to a 4-3 or 3-4 like most teams
3-3-5 is another variation of the nickel. 4-2-5 means 4 defensive linemen, 2 linebackers, 5 defensive backs. meant to defend the pass, which we'll have to do against plenty of teams in a pass-happy league.
3-3-5 is 3 d-linemen, 3 linebackers, 5 d-backs. similar strategy.
this isn't directed at anyone personally...just remember some tarholes fans a couple years ago being like 'OMG FEDORA INVENTED THIS NEW DEFENSE'...no...it's called the Nickel because you add a 5th defensive back by removing a linebacker 9/6/2014 10:07:20 PM |
JT3bucky All American 23258 Posts user info edit post |
Well, on a side note, Georgia Southern won today 83-9 yeah...83.
on 600 yards rushing. 9/6/2014 10:07:54 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37693 Posts user info edit post |
^^thats a vast oversimplification of the 4-2-5. And someone DID create that scheme,just not Fedora. I think it was Gary Patterson. 9/6/2014 10:23:15 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
The Nickel was around way the fuck before Gary Patterson
And yeah my explanation is oversimplified. But it's accurate. Sportswriters and UNC fans wanted to act like it was some new shit when it's been around since before 99% of TWWers were born
[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 10:30 PM. Reason : .] 9/6/2014 10:29:26 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37693 Posts user info edit post |
But nickel just mean 5 dbacks, as you said. 4-2-5 is a very specific scheme that values a certain type of player and coverage. 9/6/2014 10:31:39 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148439 Posts user info edit post |
4-2-5 and 3-3-5 are 99% of nickel defenses, with 4-2-5 being more popular than 3-3-5. It's not that specific. It's basically just taking a 4-3 and replacing a linebacker with a corner or safety. It's nothing new.
I don't think we're really disagreeing. But it's been around for decades. Not some Fedora special like Holes fans think
[Edited on September 6, 2014 at 10:34 PM. Reason : .] 9/6/2014 10:33:28 PM |