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"The democrats pushed through the legislation that forced banks to write bad loans"

1) you still have not shown in any thread how any legislation"forced" banks to write bad loans
2) seeing as Republicans have been in charge of Congress for most of the last 14 years, I find it hard to believe the Democrats could really force anything too controversial through

10/16/2008 11:16:49 AM

GOP is getting slimier than usual

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/10/virginia_gop_mailer_appears_to.php

Seriously?

10/16/2008 11:32:37 AM

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"poor people give people jobs by buying stuff without poor people walmart wouldnt exist "

haha, and where do they get thier money?


here you go agent
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0DE7DB153EF933A0575AC0A96F958260&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=all

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 12:22 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 12:21:21 PM

plumbers' union: we endorse obama

http://www.ua.org/ua_endorses.asp

lol

10/16/2008 12:23:12 PM

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"The democrats pushed through the legislation that forced banks to write bad loans"

And the republicans pushed through legislation that rewarded them for doing so with billions of dollars.

Was there some kind of point to this?

10/16/2008 12:28:47 PM

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"tax breaks for coorporations? Oh no When was the last time a poor person gave someone a job?"

I don't know about poor people, but middle class small businesses occasionally give people jobs.

In any case, there's no real evidence that Obama's plan will hurt jobs. It's more like an entropic system, where jobs may be lost in one area, but they are gained in another area.



You realize in 1955 unemployment was at its low point, but the marginal tax rate was 90%. If taxes hurt employment significantly, it would certainly show up in the unemployment numbers, but there is no correlation.

10/16/2008 12:41:03 PM

well nyc is about to loose 165,000 jobs

heereee weeee gooooooooooooooo!

10/16/2008 12:51:52 PM

wow, really?



http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_S_webbuck1.e7982b.html

10/16/2008 4:46:30 PM

^ OMG, racists outside the South!!!!!!!!!!!!1

10/16/2008 4:49:12 PM

interesting article about obama's tax plan and small businesses

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm?cnn=yes

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"Should small business owners fear for their wallets if Obama is elected? Not the vast majority, business and tax experts say."

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 4:54 PM. Reason : .]

10/16/2008 4:54:27 PM

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"middle class small businesses"

-moron

What the heck is a "middle class" small business????

All this talk about small businesses, I think people should surf on over to http://www.sba.gov to get the low down.

The Small Business Administration is the government arm in charge of setting criteria for what is considered a "small business". The criteria varies by industry, but typically the rule is basically that if a business has fewer 500 employees or fewer, they are considered "small". (note: there are no other distinction, "middle class" or otherwise).

What isn't clear to me, is why Obama or any other progressive thinks that a company with 501 employees should be treated differently than one with 499. Apparently the former is evil and out to kill our culture, while the other is just like those mom and pop country stores they saw on Andy Griffith.

bah.

[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 5:11 PM. Reason : ``]

10/16/2008 5:10:05 PM

Socks most of these people have government jobs, they're not interested in learning how most of America works in the private sector

10/16/2008 5:11:48 PM

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" Oh, and [McCain] also wants the government to purchase everyone's house who is foreclosing."

I couldn't believe that shit.

10/16/2008 5:21:05 PM

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"What isn't clear to me, is why Obama or any other progressive thinks that a company with 501 employees should be treated differently than one with 499. Apparently the former is evil and out to kill our culture, while the other is just like those mom and pop country stores they saw on Andy Griffith. "

Our gov. uses "brackets" for things rather than variable functions because there are lots of people who don't get functions.

In any case, I did make up the term middle class small businesses, but the point I was trying to make was that most small businesses by a WIDE margin are better off under Obama than McCain because OBamas tax cut doesn't cater to the very wealthy or large corporations.

10/16/2008 5:23:50 PM

10/16/2008 5:24:02 PM

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"In any case, there's no real evidence that Obama's plan will hurt jobs. It's more like an entropic system, where jobs may be lost in one area, but they are gained in another area. You realize in 1955 unemployment was at its low point, but the marginal tax rate was 90%. If taxes hurt employment significantly, it would certainly show up in the unemployment numbers, but there is no correlation."

-moron

Incorrect. The highest personal income tax bracket was around 90%, but that is not the marginal tax rate for everyone in America. Indeed, the marginal tax rate would have differed by individual depending on how much they were making and what the tax rate structure looked like.

But this is really beside the point. It isn't a question about job creation, it's a question about wealth creation.

10/16/2008 5:33:08 PM

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" Incorrect. The highest personal income tax bracket was around 90%, but that is not the marginal tax rate for everyone in America. Indeed, the marginal tax rate would have differed by individual depending on how much they were making and what the tax rate structure looked like."

em

Obviously I was referring to the top marginal tax rate, but the specific number is irrelevant to the idea eyedrb was trying to put forth that employment would suffer under Obama. Emplyoment could very well suffer, but there's no evidence at all that it will.

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"But this is really beside the point. It isn't a question about job creation, it's a question about wealth creation."

Incorrect. We were talking about employment at that point in the thread.

10/16/2008 5:38:33 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/16/massive-rnc-robocall-may_n_135348.html

Beat that horse McCain.

10/16/2008 6:04:18 PM

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"If the economy gets any worse Obama is just going to concede to McCain and be like "You know what? Fuck it. Fix your own damn mess."

Looks like someone is not familiar with the concept of buy low, sell high

10/16/2008 7:17:00 PM

aaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahhahahaha thats good stuff

10/16/2008 7:18:03 PM

I like how Obama is keeping things positive. I mean, just today, he released a new ad bashing McCain, using footage from last night's debate. Stay classy, Obama. Only 3 more weeks of lying through your teeth to the American people. Then you can start fucking the little guy in the ass while you rob his bank account

10/16/2008 7:29:18 PM

10/16/2008 8:09:29 PM

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"TreeTwista10: Socks most of these people have government jobs, they're not interested in learning how most of America works in the private sector"

hahahaha

says the guy who does nothing but post while at work.

I think I have a pretty good idea of how things work in the private sector.

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"I like how Obama is keeping things positive."

I do, too. I'd feel incredibly embarrassed if my candidate were running 100% negative ads



[Edited on October 16, 2008 at 8:12 PM. Reason : ]

10/16/2008 8:09:51 PM

you should be embarassed. your candidate is spending more money on negative ads than his opponent's entire advertising budget. Of course, if your candidate had kept his word... Nah, that's not a problem. You know you can trust everything else he has promised in his campaign

10/16/2008 10:36:15 PM

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"your candidate is spending more money on negative ads than his opponent's entire advertising budget. "

10/16/2008 11:11:05 PM

^^ how is it that you can get that 30% > 100% but you don't seem to grasp why a flat tax is less fair to poor people?

10/16/2008 11:18:29 PM

Letterman is putting the heat on McCain right now. Look for that on Youtube.

10/17/2008 12:22:18 AM

^ I could almost feel the discomfort through my screen

10/17/2008 12:30:26 AM

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"I'd feel incredibly embarrassed if my candidate were running 100% negative ads"

NBC pwnt obama's claim immediately after the debate...they showed clips of not only mccain campaign ads that did nothing but mention positive things about mccain (and nothing negative about obama), but they showed an ad where the only thing mccain did was congratulate obama on his historic position

but i'm sure most of you would rather just blindly believe obama's imaginary 100% number

10/17/2008 12:33:34 AM

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"Look, John's last-minute economic plan does nothing to tackle the number one job facing the middle class, and it happens to be, as Barack says, a three-letter word: jobs. J-O-B-S."

--Joe "Plugs" Biden, The Human Gaffe Machine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bq-eeWow_WU



Sweet Jesus, what a douche.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 12:36 AM. Reason : Say it ain't so, Joe "Plugs"! ]

10/17/2008 12:34:28 AM

^^ i actually caught that part of the debate, and I was puzzled why McCain didn't defend himself better. I hope that's now how he'd defend the country if he were president.

10/17/2008 12:37:13 AM

mccain immediately claimed it wasnt true, twice...no sense in spending much more time dispelling a blatant lie when there are so many lies out there

10/17/2008 12:42:44 AM

^ the point of a debate is to debate something like that. If it's blatantly untrue, that's even better, because he has reality on his side (something Republicans have been lacking recently).

10/17/2008 12:44:05 AM

no, you dont need to waste your time arguing something thats obviously false to anyone with common sense...kind of like how you dont need to waste your time trying to reason with a dictator who obviously cant think rationally and wants to wipe israel off the map

100% negative ads? how does anyone believe that shit?

10/17/2008 12:46:22 AM

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"they showed clips of not only mccain campaign ads that did nothing but mention positive things about mccain (and nothing negative about obama), but they showed an ad where the only thing mccain did was congratulate obama on his historic position"

Were the ads currently running?

10/17/2008 12:47:36 AM

^^ I guess if you want to lose an election, you can just let someone make-up things about you too.

And negotiations seemed to work well for N. Korea.

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 12:48 AM. Reason : ]

10/17/2008 12:47:58 AM

The Obama Thugocracy Goes After Joe the Plumber

http://townhall.com/Columnists/LorieByrd/2008/10/17/the_obama_thugocracy_goes_after_joe_the_plumber

Why do Obama-Joe "Plugs" and the MSM hate Joe the Plumber?

10/17/2008 12:52:39 AM

^ I don't think anyone "hates" him but if he's going to go on national TV and lie about what he does, he should be prepared for some scrutiny.

In any case, he's already admitted, as has been pointed out in another thread, that he just felt on his own that despite what Obama's been saying, he's just going to raise his taxes anyway. This type of delusion seems to be pretty common among the right. They don't hate Obama based on what he says or his policies, they hate him based on made-up policies they ascribe to him in their version of reality.

10/17/2008 12:56:57 AM

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"They don't hate Obama based on what he says or his policies"

FALSE

however his supporters simply dismiss anything he says as "out of context" and claim his policies will work, despite being proven around the world to not work

10/17/2008 12:58:31 AM

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"despite being proven around the world to not work"

what specifically are you referring to here?

I haven't seen anyone, especially not on TWW, user reality to show specific parts of any of Obama's policies couldn't work.

10/17/2008 1:00:10 AM

nationalized programs? elements of socialism? all his programs are great ideas, but they don't work in reality, and none of his supporters seem to realize that, they just see the smoke and mirrors

10/17/2008 1:02:01 AM

^ you seem to have mistook the meaning of "proven around the world" with "asserted based on my own delusions."

What nationalized programs of Obamas? His gov. insurance company doesn't nationalize anything, it's a new competitive entity. And McCain seems to love nationalizing the banks, he even suspended his campaign to make that happen.

The US is ALREADY socialist in many ways, and has been that way for decades, and we're the greatest country on the planet as a result.

10/17/2008 1:05:12 AM

I guarantee you, moron, that if I lined up a random, say, ten self-described Obama supporters they couldn't (1) name three accomplishments of his and (2) couldn't articulate why they support him--other than abstract concepts such as "change," hope," or "yes, we can." Some might even be candid enough to reveal that they are supporting him because their skin color matches.

10/17/2008 1:17:18 AM

10/17/2008 1:18:19 AM

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"I guarantee you"

Well that's reassuring.

10/17/2008 1:18:27 AM

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"The US is ALREADY socialist in many ways, and has been that way for decades, and we're the greatest country on the planet as a result."

Or, we could be even greater without some of that socialism...


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Excellent oped on WSJ. The Republicans have completely sheared away from what use to be the core principles of the party, now people are going to vote in a government that isn't really in tune with their views, they are just tired of the Republicans, woot. Obama easily skirts around a lot of the issues by being tremendously vague, or flat out lies about what he will do, which I think we will see this to be true, especially if the Dems do get a supermajority in the Senate.




I dislike Dole, but I will probably vote for her to try and keep over 40 Republicans in the Senate. I wish I could vote for McCain, but he is to old, and Palin is to religious/crazy and the possibility of him dieing in the next 4 years is to high. bah. Don't think I will vote for either major party candidate.




This picture is fucking awesome, makes me want to vote for McCain. haha


[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 1:23 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2008 1:22:17 AM

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"Well that's reassuring."

carnak the clueless

Can you refute my points?

10/17/2008 2:11:50 AM

10/17/2008 2:11:52 AM

i would encourage anyone up right now to tune in to pbs' frontline right now

biopics on mccain and obama

my god i miss 2000 mccain

[Edited on October 17, 2008 at 2:14 AM. Reason : :-(]

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10/17/2008 2:14:07 AM