It happened. Maybe not as much his last year because that was after the sweet 16. I am just waiting for it with Lowe and then you will start seeing the News and Disturber putting it on the front page. I remember being there for the Chris Paul incident and hearing a couple people start the "I killed your grandfather" chant which was quickly silenced by other people telling them to shut up. The next day there were stories of the stadium being filled with this classless chant. Media hates us.

1/19/2009 6:04:31 PM

people already don't cheer anymore when they introduce lowe.

i really hope he can make it through the season w/o it getting nasty.

1/19/2009 6:13:42 PM

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"The next year he probably would have missed the tourney (Not much talent outside of freshmen and Sendek didn't really like to play freshmen because they hadn't learned his system) so he wouldn't have been the exciting hire when we fired him."

What? We would have had a talented group of freshman coming in added to the core of McCauley, Costner, Atsur, Fells. Plus we don't know how much Sendek's leaving impacted Simons to leave for the NBA and Brackman to not play basketball.

1/19/2009 8:48:22 PM

oooh, comments like those won't be too popular

1/19/2009 9:28:15 PM

I am known as a big Herb supporter....blah blah blah. I just defend him. I don't want him back.

I want NCSU to succeed. Sorry for thinking that we won't do that with Sidney Lowe.

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"Hodge made sendek, just like Rivers made Amato, just like great recruits make countless coaches look better than they actually are. Time has erased the boneheaded shit sendek did while he was here."

How could you say Hodge made Sendek? He had a pretty successful year after Julius left. The team finished 4th in the ACC after being 2nd most of the season. 10-6 is not a tank job....I think we tanked at the end of that season (Wake loss, ACCT performance) because the players knew Herb was leaving.

[Edited on January 19, 2009 at 9:46 PM. Reason : oh well]

1/19/2009 9:44:07 PM

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"I don't want him back."

seriously?

1/19/2009 11:25:18 PM

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"Sorry for thinking that we won't do that with Sidney Lowe. "

you may be correct


but you should shut up


because you can't prove it


and the future looks bright


thx

1/19/2009 11:47:31 PM

Quote :

"We would have had a talented group of freshman coming in added to the core of McCauley, Costner, Atsur, Fells. Plus we don't know how much Sendek's leaving impacted Simons to leave for the NBA and Brackman to not play basketball."

You do realize that Costner, McCauley and Fells played basically zero minutes a game in Sendek's last season right? Maybe they would have had the production they did in Lowe's first year under Sendek but you really can't assume that they would have since they were essentially question marks going into that season. Also Simmons would have left regardless of whether Herb had stayed or not, he was projected as a lottery pick and was selected just outside of the lottery...not to mention his father was sick and he supposedly needed cash to pay for his care. Also Brackman's decision to just play baseball pretty clearly had little if anything to do with the coaching transition...his professional career was obviously in baseball and the decision was a smart one regardless of whether Sendek stayed or not.

1/20/2009 1:34:53 AM

Quote :

"but in general I think, "we should just lock this thread there's a whole lot of dumb in here and not just each side bitching about their point, that's acceptable. there's just a whole lot of dumb" because the arguments really are just looping over and over again"

WolfAce & GenghisJohn FTW

The sad thing is that I've tried to talk myself out of posting in here countless times, as if I'll ever talk sense into anyone. And that's assuming I'm not contributing to the "whole lot of dumb" out there, which hasn't always been the case

1/20/2009 8:49:15 AM

Gaining some credibility so far

But it's not hard to see it all vanish in the 2nd half

1/20/2009 8:41:26 PM

If we had started Mays, we would be up 10.

Wait till this games over to post here, Duke won't shoot that bad in two halves.

1/20/2009 8:52:40 PM

i am posting so you all (erice85/genghisjohn/Bullet) know I am eating my crow for this first half gem. No jinx.

1/20/2009 8:53:06 PM

jesus fucking christ

we have a lead and you still arent happy

degand didnt play bad to end the half himself

^ they still have to play another half LOL

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 8:53 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 8:53:23 PM

Not happy?

I am fucking thrilled. I just hope we keep it up and pointed out that Mays should be playing over the rest.

1/20/2009 8:56:08 PM

Very credible through 20 minutes of action

But we've also seen this before, only to have K outcoach Herb/Sid in the 2nd half

GO SID

1/20/2009 8:58:05 PM

degand did calm down and give some good minutes when he came back in the game.


and stop talking about his credibility in the first half...remember the game at cameron last year?

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 8:58 PM. Reason : m]

1/20/2009 8:58:17 PM

Quote :

"If we had started Mays, we would be up 10."

Mays looked like mangled cock last game.

Sid has no choice but to start the hot hand since neither are very good as ACC PG's right now.

1/20/2009 8:58:52 PM

Quote :

"remember the game at cameron last year?"

yeah, we were up by 9 at the half last year

then we shit not only the bed, but the drapes, the carpet, the sock drawer, and the crown moulding.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 9:05 PM. Reason : .]

1/20/2009 9:04:52 PM

exactly how does one shit on crown molding?

1/20/2009 9:08:58 PM

by being outscored 55-26 in the second half

1/20/2009 9:13:13 PM

i think farnold disagrees with yalls assessments about mays easily being the starter for the rest of the year

1/20/2009 9:36:41 PM

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"then we shit not only the bed, but the drapes, the carpet, the sock drawer, and the crown moulding."

hahahahahaha

1/20/2009 9:46:16 PM

JUST HOLD THE BALL SO WE CAN BREAK THE DAMN SPREAD AT LEAST

1/20/2009 9:50:36 PM

you know, i guess it didnt lose the game for us by itself

but i cant understand sid's uncanny ability to play our worst players at crunch time

at one point we are up, next thing i look we are down and i see javi, horner, and fergie all out there


i was actually giving him attaboys b/c i really liked his starting lineup and he wasnt horrible with subs in the first half. javi and horner came in long enough to turn the ball over a couple times but he took them out relatively quickly.

i just dont understand how he decides who is in the game at any given time. based on the games i have seen this year, it seems completely random.

1/20/2009 9:58:40 PM

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"at one point we are up, next thing i look we are down and i see javi, horner, and fergie all out there"

Javi, Horner, Ferguson, Smith, and Thomas

1/20/2009 10:02:14 PM

my problem with Lowe isn't that he subs in 2nd tier guys from time-to-time.... its basketball, you have to


but he does it at the oddest points of the game (when you can tell the other team has serious momentum or near the end of the game) and he doesn't just sub 1 or 2 at a time... he fucking line changes like it's hockey or something

1/20/2009 10:03:49 PM

eh his subs were working fine in the first half. you people just expect too much too soon.

1/20/2009 10:05:38 PM

Quote :

" Duke is no better than it has been the last 2 years. We will probably lose by 20 @cameron. However, lowe's teams have shown an ability to play Duke well, so it may be a tantalizing game up until about 10 mins left."

Oh well. I am confident that Lowe at least has a good bead on one of our two biggest rivals.

1/20/2009 10:06:04 PM

^^ yeah in the first half....

but against the #2 team in the country in their house with the game on the line? was Costner or McCauley that winded?

1/20/2009 10:07:09 PM

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"eh his subs were working fine in the first half. you people just expect too much too soon."

So when can we start to expect something because this is year 3 in case you didn't notice.

1/20/2009 10:08:17 PM

Quote :

"So when can we start to expect something because this is year 3 in case you didn't notice."

when there's a point guard.

1/20/2009 10:08:46 PM

yea i was like wtf at the subs too but it was pretty much an even game when the starters come back in and we had what, 1 shot in the last 8 minutes? that's when the blowout began, with the starters in.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 10:09 PM. Reason : ]

1/20/2009 10:09:16 PM

Lowe year 3 wins over duke = sendek year 10 wins over duke.


and we have looked better in losses, fwiw.

1/20/2009 10:09:31 PM

Quote :

"my problem with Lowe isn't that he subs in 2nd tier guys from time-to-time.... its basketball, you have to but he does it at the oddest points of the game (when you can tell the other team has serious momentum or near the end of the game) and he doesn't just sub 1 or 2 at a time... he fucking line changes like it's hockey or something"

i agree with all of that

however, he doesnt just play his 2nd tier guys, he plays his 3rd tier guys

i mean, if people cant admit horner qualifies as 3rd tier, than at least javi, right?

Quote :

"eh his subs were working fine in the first half. you people just expect too much too soon."

first of all i said his first half went well, even early in the 2nd he was doing ok

as for expecting too much too soon, i expect a coach to know how to coach first day on the job. in the acc, we cant afford to have on the job training.

1/20/2009 10:10:34 PM

To be fair Herb was going against National Champs contending Duke.

We all know these last few Duke teams aren't for real.

1/20/2009 10:10:35 PM

^^ he can't all of a sudden make his guards have experience. It takes time.

[Edited on January 20, 2009 at 10:12 PM. Reason : I don't know why I bother. This thread is beating the same horse over and over.]

1/20/2009 10:11:50 PM

we don't need guards w/ experience, we just need guards who can dribble w/o turning it over.

1/20/2009 10:12:51 PM

damnit

i'm so tired of people acting like we are mad at lowe just b/c we are losing

we are mad b/c of the way we are losing

1/20/2009 10:13:09 PM

FYI, I would be comfortable shooting threes over Javi Gonzales. He just isn't a threat on defense against bigger guards.

1/20/2009 10:14:14 PM

^^you mean losing because we don't have guards that can handle the ball and run an offense or any real leaders on the team?


i mean i'm mad lowe played javi so much too but duke took the lead and blew us out when he was out and our starters were in. let's get real here.

1/20/2009 10:18:30 PM

- every loss we have a meltdown in last 6-8 minutes (like a herb scoring drought)
- fells is worthless, he just stands there with hands on his hips in the corner and then turns it over
- mccauley telegraphs every pass he makes

you know, when TOB noticed the team wasnt very good 2 years ago at 1-5, he went back to fundamentals with them and turned it around...sidney needs to do that, we cant dribble, pass or play hard defense

1/20/2009 10:20:21 PM

The Courtney Fells Saga has been going on for four years.

Dude could be the best player in the ACC. I just don't get it. He doesn't have it mentally.

1/20/2009 10:22:43 PM

he has about as much drive to play basketball as i do.

1/20/2009 10:27:14 PM

He has a learning disability. You can tell by his small head that his brain is smaller than normal.


Nothing you can do about that, I guess.

1/20/2009 10:28:52 PM

the first half wasnt nearly as bad as i thought it was going to be

1/20/2009 10:30:07 PM

i don't think that's what's going on, but alright.

1/20/2009 10:30:18 PM

theres certain things that we cant really help, like duke shooting 75% lights out in the 2nd half, i mean thomas was playing pretty good defense but then when mccauley or someone stepped over to help, they just give up these little touch fouls and they get and 1...why cant they foul and make sure he's not gonna get a good shot, i guess ill never understand that...and im not talking about hacking them to the floor but make sure its not just a lay up


and while we're on that subject, tracy cant finish worth a shit when there's contact inside

1/20/2009 10:31:57 PM

We don't have that third guy. Good teams have to have 3 go-to players. We have costner. Mccauley counts as a half because thats the proportion of games where he has a good matchup. Fells only counts as three-fifths.

You also need one of the other two to be a defensive specialist to match up with their best scorer. That way, the big three don't get worn out playing defense.

1/20/2009 10:35:38 PM

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"Fells only counts as three-fifths."

ahahaha. i don't know if you chose that fraction intentionally.

1/20/2009 10:37:23 PM

hahahahah, im saving that quote

1/20/2009 10:40:38 PM