^while a good step, remember he signed to close gitmo his first day and........just saying

12/22/2010 12:36:49 PM

I seem to recall Congress prohibiting the funding necessary to fulfill their President's executive order

12/22/2010 2:04:52 PM

If this perpetual warfare plan is going to work, we'll need every available gay for cannon fodder.

Also...

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"With all deliberate speed."

[Edited on December 22, 2010 at 2:18 PM. Reason : ^No funding necessary. Turn them loose on the streets of Washington DC.]

12/22/2010 2:17:41 PM

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"I seem to recall Congress prohibiting the funding necessary to fulfill their President's executive order "

The Dem supermajority?

12/22/2010 2:48:04 PM

yes, that one.

12/22/2010 3:01:24 PM

Please tell me they didn't include "with all deliberate speed" in the final version.

12/22/2010 3:04:25 PM

It'll probably take six months to actually enforce. I guess that's better than the 20 years it took to enforce the supreme court's ruling on civil rights.


Obama Plans Indefinite Detention of Human Beings Without Trial
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-22/u-s-prepares-order-for-indefinite-detention-of-terror-suspects.html

12/22/2010 3:08:55 PM

^but blame congress.

12/22/2010 4:23:10 PM

New START, 9/11 Bill, and DADT repeal. Big day for the White House.

12/22/2010 5:02:38 PM

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"^No funding necessary. Turn them loose on the streets of Washington DC."

I thought this country was above cruel and unusual punishment

12/22/2010 5:13:25 PM

Yeah, a few muggings will give them a real reason to hate America.

12/22/2010 7:09:21 PM

ALL HE DOES IS EAT DESSERT

1/4/2011 11:58:19 AM

+1 for credibility

1/13/2011 1:05:52 PM

lol

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=252833

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"Hawaii governor can't find Obama birth certificate Suggests controversy could hurt president's re-election chances Posted: January 18, 2011 8:05 pm Eastern Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie suggested in an interview published today that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health. Abercrombie told the Honolulu Star Advertiser he was searching within the Hawaii Department of Health to find definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii, because the continuing eligibility controversy could hurt the president's chances of re-election in 2012. Donalyn Dela Cruz, Abercrombie's spokeswoman in Honolulu, ignored again today another in a series of repeated requests made by WND for an interview with the governor. Toward the end of the interview, the newspaper asked Abercrombie: "You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plan to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming?" In his response, Abercrombie acknowledged the birth certificate issue will have "political implications" for the next presidential election "that we simply cannot have." Suggesting he was still intent on producing more birth records on Obama from the Hawaii Department of Health vital records vault, Abercrombie told the newspaper there was a recording of the Obama birth in the state archives that he wants to make public. Abercrombie did not report to the newspaper that he or the Hawaii Department of Health had found Obama's long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate. The governor only suggested his investigations to date had identified an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives. "It was actually written, I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down," Abercrombie said. For seemingly the first time, Abercrombie frankly acknowledged that presidential politics motivated his search for Obama birth records, implying that failure to resolve the questions that remain unanswered about the president's birth and early life may damage his chance for re-election. "If there is a political agenda (regarding Obama's birth certificate), then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president," he said. So far, the only birth document available on Obama is a Hawaii Certification of Live Birth that first appeared on the Internet during the 2008 presidential campaign. It was posted by two purportedly independent websites that have displayed a strong partisan bias for Obama – Snopes.com released the COLB in June 2008, and FactCheck.org published photographs of the document in August 2008. WND previously reported the Hawaii Department of Health has refused to authenticate the COLB posted on the Internet by Snopes.com and FactCheck.org. WND has reported that in 1961, Obama's grandparents, Stanley and Madelyn Dunham, could have made an in-person report of a Hawaii birth even if the infant Barack Obama Jr. had been foreign-born. Similarly, the newspaper announcements of Obama's birth do not prove he was born in Hawaii, since they could have been triggered by the grandparents registering the birth as Hawaiian, even if the baby was born elsewhere. Moreover, WND has documented that the address reported in the newspaper birth announcements was the home of the grandparents. WND also has reported that Barack Obama Sr. maintained his own separate apartment in Honolulu, even after he was supposedly married to Ann Dunham, Barack Obama's mother, and that Dunham left Hawaii within three weeks of the baby's birth to attend the University of Washington in Seattle. Dunham did not return to Hawaii until after Barack Obama Sr. left Hawaii in June 1962 to attend graduate school at Harvard University in Cambridge, Mass. Conceivably, the yet undisclosed birth record in the state archives that Abercrombie has discovered may have come from the grandparents registering Obama's birth, an event that would have triggered both the newspaper birth announcements and availability of a Certification of Live Birth, even if no long-form birth certificate existed. WND has also reported that Tim Adams, a former senior elections clerk for the city and county of Honolulu in 2008, has maintained that there is no long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate on file with the Hawaii Department of Health and that neither Honolulu hospital – Queens Medical Center or Kapiolani Medical Center – has any record that Obama was born there. "

1/19/2011 8:15:49 AM

oops. Wasnt he the guy that was going to put the rumor to rest? instead he just fuels the birthers more. classic

1/19/2011 8:58:12 AM

Here is the relevant part of the interview sans the World Net Daily spin:

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"Q: You stirred up quite a controversy with your comments regarding birthers and your plans to release more information regarding President Barack Obama's birth certificate. How is that coming? A: I got a letter from someone the other day who was genuinely concerned about it; it is not all just political agenda. They were talking on Olelo last night about this; it has a political implication for 2012 that we simply cannot have. (Abercrombie said there is a recording of the birth in the State Archives and he wants to use that.) It was actually written I am told, this is what our investigation is showing, it actually exists in the archives, written down ... ...What I can do, and all I have ever said, is that I am going to see to it as governor that I can verify to anyone who is honest about it that this is the case. If there is a political agenda then there is nothing I can do about that, nor can the president.""

1/19/2011 1:26:36 PM

I am told it is written...hmmm Sounds like the definition of evidence to me.

I dont see how the hell this would even be a big issue for 2012. yes Im sure there will be some attacks using it, but the guy has been president for a term.. what difference does it make now?

1/19/2011 1:31:42 PM

clearly these Hawaiian officials conspired in 1961 to position a foreign-born infant and grandson of local WWII vet to become the future Communist-Muslim President of the US in their plan to implode 21st Century western culture.

This was assisted by the simultaneous creation of the purportedly independent yet strongly partisan websites Snopes.com and Factcheck.org which were planted as sleeper cells in case some sort of "internet" might developed 10 years later by the RAND Corporation and the DoD.

Thank the Lord for World Net Daily.







[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 6:53 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2011 6:50:53 PM

ahhh, the old strawman. I love it. is it possible that maybe his grandparents/mother just wanted him to have US citizenship? I'm just saying... Seems like a far more plausible reason that could explain exactly the same thing that your asinine faux-argument explains.

but, this "development" certainly doesn't help the ol' birthers shut the hell up

1/19/2011 6:57:15 PM

ahhh, the old retard argument. I love it.

Obama's citizenship has never been in question. the child of a US citizen (mother, Ann Dunham, US Citizen) is ALWAYS born a US citizen even if the birth was in the middle of the Soviet Gulag.

perhaps you can take out your retard flute and march your retard band over and take a gander at the US Constitution.

Have a grownup handy to help you understand the big words.




[Edited on January 19, 2011 at 7:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2011 6:59:47 PM

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"the child of a US citizen (mother, Ann Dunham, US Citizen) is ALWAYS born a US citizen even if the birth was in the middle of the Soviet Gulag."

that's not entirely true...

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"perhaps you can take out your retard flute and march your retard band over and take a gander at the US Constitution. "

Please, show me where it says the child of a citizen is always a citizen.

1/19/2011 7:06:56 PM

it doesn't of course. sorry for the hasty post. the constitutional issue regards eligibility for the presidency. citizenship was never an issue

1/19/2011 10:44:10 PM

wait, we have a birther on this site?

1/19/2011 10:52:28 PM

1/20/2011 8:20:06 AM

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" is it possible that maybe his grandparents/mother just wanted him to have US citizenship? I'm just saying... Seems like a far more plausible reason that could explain exactly the same thing that your asinine faux-argument explains. "

I agree. It does seem more likely that the grandparents wanted a US birth certificate than the line of "logic" joe spouted off. Which strangly enough is only being said by lefties. Go figure. Maybe they will blame the teaparty for their not being a birth certificate.

ANd if you all would listen noone on here is saying this will be an issue in 2012, only the governor is. That is a strange disconnect imo.

1/20/2011 10:41:29 AM

one test would be to pick someone born on the same day and see if anyone can find their records. i've had a research job where i had to dig through a lot of vital records and not everywhere does a good job keeping track of them.

1/20/2011 11:00:08 AM

^^

For one thing, Obama was born a US citizen due to his mother being a US citizen, no matter where he was born. Obama was never in any danger whatsoever of being denied citizenship and has had all rights as a full US citizen from birth onward, and this can not be disputed, as it is guaranteed in the US Constitution jus sanguinis. Look it up. (nod to burro)

now there is an additional requirement in US Constitution that only applies to the US President, that for anyone to be eligible for the office of President, they must have been born on US soil. This does not apply to anyone else: not Senators, not Representatives, not Supreme Court Justices. (although the 12th amendment later required the Vice President to be "natural-born")

it is THIS which is what you Teabag Birther Moonbats are fixated on. this singular technical requirement in the US Constitution, as your fantasy leverage you imagine to use to remove the presidency from Obama.

and this is where my above equally ludicrous argumentum ad absurdum leads us.




[Edited on January 20, 2011 at 11:54 AM. Reason : ]

1/20/2011 11:47:28 AM

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"as it is guaranteed in the US Constitution jus sanguinis."

Where?

edit:

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"now there is an additional requirement in US Constitution that only applies to the US President, that for anyone to be eligible for the office of President, they must have been born on US soil"

In fact, I don't think there is any such additional requirement in the constitution itself. The requirement is that of being a natural born citizen, which itself isn't even wholly defined in the constitution.

[Edited on January 20, 2011 at 1:56 PM. Reason : afaik]

1/20/2011 1:52:18 PM

^not at all, I really dont give a shit. If this was something serious it should have come out during the vetting process. He is the president and this birther crap isnt going to take that from him. But you can keep labeling everyone who disagree with the president's policies as loon bat birthers. It makes one look like more of a loon than the other.

1/20/2011 1:57:33 PM

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"it doesn't of course. sorry for the hasty post. the constitutional issue regards eligibility for the presidency. citizenship was never an issue"

then why did you say "they child of a US citizen is always a US citizen?"

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"For one thing, Obama was born a US citizen due to his mother being a US citizen, no matter where he was born."

This is NOT fucking true, dude. IIRC, the law at the time established residency requirements for the parents, which is part of the "controversy."

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"and this can not be disputed, as it is guaranteed in the US Constitution jus sanguinis."

And I'm asking you to fucking support this claim.

1/21/2011 12:18:04 PM

Yeah, it's not guaranteed in the constitution.

The constitutional requirement to be president is that you are a "natural born Citizen."

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A2Sec1.html

The 14th amendment, article 1 says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am14.html

Article 5 gives congress the power to enforce and clarify the prior articles, and so the things you say are guaranteed in the US Constitution are in fact guaranteed in Title 8 of the U.S. Code.

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html

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"Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth:" Anyone born inside the United States * Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S. * There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision. Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President."

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 3:15 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2011 3:13:37 PM

yep, that's the law as it stands right now. I'm searching for the law as it applied at the time of his birth

1/21/2011 4:02:58 PM

Was he born outside of the US? Wasn't Hawaii a state in 61? Yep, it was.

1/21/2011 4:32:27 PM

surely this law hasn't changed since 1961, has it?

1/21/2011 4:34:21 PM

You lost me. At some point in the past being born within a state meant you weren't a natural born citizen?

1/21/2011 4:42:53 PM

you aren't following the discussion, np

1/21/2011 4:45:31 PM

lol fine. I'm just saying unless it's been proven he wasn't born in Hawaii, I'm not sure what the question regarding the law is since the Constitution says natural born citizen.

1/21/2011 4:57:14 PM

yeah. joe said that the whole issue of his birth in Hawaii is pointless, cause the Constitution provides birth citizenship to children of US citizens, which was kind of blasted into oblivion by actual proof.

1/21/2011 5:00:01 PM

Was it?

Where was that?

I must have missed it.

1/21/2011 5:51:58 PM

notice how joe hasn't come back in here to show us the part of the Constitution where jus sanguinis is established

1/21/2011 6:51:43 PM

^^^

this whole line of discussion is idiotic.

But if the thing Dakotaman posted is valid, it says this:

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"Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) "

that if obama was not actually born in Hawaii, because his mama was a US citizen who had lived here for at least 5 years, he would be a citizen eligible to run for the presidency.

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 6:53 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2011 6:53:31 PM

it's a little more involved than that. 2 of those five years have to have been after she was 14, and those five years have to have preceeded his birth. but, that is the current law. I'm not sure what it was at the time he was born

[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 6:59 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2011 6:56:07 PM

What makes you think Obama’s mom wouldn’t qualify for that?

1/21/2011 6:56:55 PM

i'm not saying she wouldn't, but one of the claims by the birthers is that she didn't fit the bill based upon the law at the time. They've got a lot of claims, and some of them are mere technicalities, such as the notion of dual citizenship and the like. He may be DQed on some of the technicalities, but I'd be surprised if they were upheld

1/21/2011 7:01:34 PM

they claim that he wasn't a citizen because of the law at the time but never say what the law at the time was?

1/21/2011 7:11:23 PM

no, I've seen the law referenced, but it was a while back and I can't remember where it was.

1/21/2011 7:13:25 PM

well that's convincing

1/21/2011 7:45:55 PM

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"Prior to 14 November 1986, the physical presence requirement in this case was ten years (instead of five) -- including five years (instead of two) spent after the parent's 14th birthday. The requirement was reduced in 1986, but the change did not retroactively make US citizenship available to people born previously who did not meet the old requirement. (Congress's intent not to make this change retroactive was affirmed in 1988 with the passage of Public Law 100-525, § 8(d), 102 Stat. 2619). "

http://www.richw.org/dualcit/law.html#1986

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"On August 4, 1961, at the age of 18, Dunham gave birth to her first child, Barack Obama II."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Dunham

as a result of this, if BO weren't born in Hawaii, then he would NOT have qualified for a natural born citizen, as there is no way his mother could have fulfilled the 5years after age 14 requirement.

1/21/2011 10:40:25 PM

JFK renounced his citizenship at Rathaus Schöneberg. Just throwing that out there.


[Edited on January 21, 2011 at 10:50 PM. Reason : ]

1/21/2011 10:46:35 PM

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"I dont see how the hell this would even be a big issue for 2012. yes Im sure there will be some attacks using it, but the guy has been president for a term.. what difference does it make now?"

I think the people who believe he isn't a US citizen would legally (and accurately) claim that any law he signed while serving as President (and any other elected office requiring citizenship) is null and void.

1/21/2011 11:11:59 PM