2 page game thread. still credible?

11/24/2012 6:28:11 PM

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"he's coaching to make an impact on the lives of the players and I'm sure he doesn't think winning has anything to do with that."

I really like that about TOB, but it would be really nice to at least be competitive for regular division wins. I don't expect national championship runs but 1-13 against division road opponents is pathetic.

11/24/2012 7:14:06 PM

And that's another Wolfpack...... 7-5 season

Move the coach, move the coach, move, move, move

11/24/2012 7:16:49 PM

and that 1 win is an asterisk

11/24/2012 7:22:44 PM

1. Join SEC
2. Hire Mark Helfrich
3. ???
4. Profit

11/24/2012 7:25:22 PM

kind of hard to ask anyone to compete in a division with two juggernauts

11/24/2012 8:00:39 PM

^

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"he's coaching to make an impact on the lives of the players and I'm sure he doesn't think winning has anything to do with that."

He's in the last two minutes of his career. He's coaching to run out the clock.

11/24/2012 8:22:37 PM

meh...7+ wins/season until his contract is out/he retires and I'm fine with him.

11/24/2012 8:36:41 PM

Quote :

"kind of hard to ask anyone to compete in a division with two juggernauts"

i'd agree 100% with that and have no problem with him losing on the regular to FSU and Clemson

but that isn't TOB's problem

11/24/2012 9:08:18 PM

What if TOB beats Les Miles in the CFA bowl? And then we fire him anyway. And then he goes to Arkansas.

11/24/2012 9:26:32 PM

Nope, we swap coaches

11/24/2012 9:29:57 PM

He's 24-14 last three years, you can whine all you want he isn't getting fired.

I could see a change at either coordinator though.

11/25/2012 12:23:15 AM

24-14?! Wonderful!

63 has always been my favorite winning percentage anyway.

[Edited on November 25, 2012 at 5:03 AM. Reason : .]

11/25/2012 5:02:48 AM

He's more like the guys who got fired. Yow is tougher than fowler

Quote :

"O’Brien will take a 40-35 (22-26 ACC) record at N.C. State into the postseason. By comparison, O’Brien is basically on the same pace as Amato and Mike O’Cain after six seasons. Both were fired after their seventh season. Amato, through six seasons, was 46-28 overall and 23-25 in the ACC but then went 3-9 (2-6) in his seventh. O’Cain was 35-34 overall and 23-25 in the ACC through six seasons and then was fired after going 6-6 (3-5) in 1999. The measuring stick for N.C. State coaches since 1970 has been Dick Sheridan, who also stayed seven seasons at the school, going 52-29-3 (31-18-1) from 1986 through 1992 and getting his teams to six bowls. Heath problems led Sheridan to retire after his ‘92 team went 9-3-1 (6-2)."

11/25/2012 8:01:19 AM

i got 99 problems but a



ain't one.

11/25/2012 10:28:32 AM

Quote :

"He's 24-14 last three years, you can whine all you want he isn't getting fired."

13 - 11 in conference. But yeah, it's nice that we've had some easier OOC teams to puff up the overall stat though.

Quote :

"I could see a change at either coordinator though."

Given the last 6 years I don't see a change at either coordinator... which is why most people I know are on the fire TOB bandwagon... because he's welded to those coordinators. You have to fire him to get to the coordinators.

I don't see him being fired this season either, and yeah people will whine. They'll also become disinterested.

11/25/2012 11:29:40 AM

If he doesn't get fired this season he's 100% gone next year. We can't compete next year on either side of the ball.

So keeping him an extra year just gets us one year further behind in recruiting since no one commits to lame duck coaches.

11/25/2012 11:32:02 AM

i hate to say it, but I agree w/ martin on this one

11/25/2012 12:20:28 PM

^

But we have to take a chance and hope we somehow get to go bowling next year too. Then the job will be a little more attractive to the next coach...

11/25/2012 12:55:45 PM

Over under 5 wins next year? Either way, TOB will get fired unless he wins 7 and there is no way that happens if we had to squeak out 7 with TOB's "best team".

11/25/2012 1:02:15 PM

Agree with face, ^^^^

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"kind of hard to ask anyone to compete in a division with two juggernauts"

I would agree. But over the past few years FSU and Clemson have NOT been juggernauts. This year? Yes. But in general, over the past 5 years they have not been juggernauts.

FSU
'07: 7-6 (4-4
'08: 9-4 (5-3)
'09: 7-6 (4-4)
'10: 10-4 (6-2)
'11: 9-4 (5-3)
FSU finished ranked in the top 25 3 times between 2007-2011 (highest ranking was 16th in 2010).

And Clemson over those same years: 9-4 (5-3), 7-6 (4-4), 9-5 (6-2), 6-7 (4-4), 10-4 (6-2). Clemson finished ranked in the top 25 3 times between 2007-2011 (highest ranking was 21 in 2007).

Since 2007, Clemson and FSU have combined for TWO ACC championships.

In other words, aside from this season, it is definitely a stretch to label these two teams as juggernauts.

[Edited on November 25, 2012 at 1:07 PM. Reason : d]

11/25/2012 1:07:21 PM

He's retiring after next year anyways. Lets round out this solid recruiting class and transition to a new regime.

11/25/2012 1:17:59 PM

TOB done according to twitter

@PackPride
Tom O'Brien is out per NC State associate AD Chris Kingston

[Edited on November 25, 2012 at 1:18 PM. Reason : xx]

[Edited on November 25, 2012 at 1:18 PM. Reason : Let the speculation begin.]

11/25/2012 1:18:04 PM

WRAL confirmed via Yow. PackPride confirmed via Chris Kingston.

11/25/2012 1:18:43 PM

FINAL VERDICT:

NOT CREDIBLE.

11/25/2012 1:23:19 PM

lol

11/25/2012 1:23:57 PM

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"He's 24-14 last three years, you can whine all you want he isn't getting fired. "

good call


gg Yow

11/25/2012 1:25:07 PM

Debbie must already have someone in place

11/25/2012 1:29:05 PM

i'm sure she has someone in mind. makes me think the Franklin rumors were actually legit (that she was looking back then)

11/25/2012 1:30:19 PM

she wouldn't be debbie if she didn't.

11/25/2012 1:31:50 PM

11/25/2012 1:40:40 PM

/thread

11/25/2012 1:41:09 PM

lock this up

11/25/2012 1:41:34 PM

In the end it has been ruled he was in-credible

11/25/2012 1:47:37 PM

uncredible, lock this motherfucker

11/25/2012 1:51:59 PM

Final statement:

Quote :

""I appreciate the opportunity to have coached at North Carolina State University and I feel that the program is in a better place now than when I started," O'Brien said in a statement released by the school. "I'm proud of the young men that I have coached here, for their accomplishments on the field and in the classroom. Wolfpack football is as sound academically as it’s ever been with a [single year] APR of 990 to be reported this spring. I appreciate all of my coaches and wish them the best and I look forward to life after football.""

I think he's definitely benefited the program overall, mostly academically, and we have a clean, high-middle of the road football team with great facilities and a good fan base. Seems to me that he did his job of stabilizing and advancing the football program from the Amato days.

11/25/2012 2:06:57 PM

Hell yeah!!


fuck you packboozie. cry your loser tears

[Edited on November 25, 2012 at 2:14 PM. Reason : .]

11/25/2012 2:13:52 PM

The fact that he's talking about APR instead of wins in his final statement says it all, imo.

I have no problem with his attitude. I just have different priorities, as I imagine most of the fanbase does.

11/25/2012 2:21:25 PM

Classy post from Skokiaan as usual

[Edited on November 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM. Reason : insufferable isn't enough to describe you]

11/25/2012 2:41:25 PM

Quote :

"lock this up"

11/25/2012 2:51:39 PM

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"The fact that he's talking about APR instead of wins in his final statement says it all, imo. I have no problem with his attitude. I just have different priorities, as I imagine most of the fanbase does."

I don't even have different priorities. I'm extremely grateful to TOB for what he's done for the program academically, and I think that is very important--at the end of the day this isn't a business. It's a team of young men (ostensibly college students) who still have a need for maturity, discipline, and priorities to be instilled in them.

However, the problem (and the reason TOB lost my support) is that the two are not mutually exclusive. You can have a team who are champions on the field and off, and that's what you have to keep chasing after. O'Brien didn't have the whole package. Our priority becomes, again, to find someone who does.

11/25/2012 3:24:53 PM

11/25/2012 3:44:00 PM

TOB, I didn't like the results on the field, but I think you are a stand up guy, and I appreciate that you ran a clean program and graduated players. Now get the fuck out

11/25/2012 7:58:16 PM

Quote :

"TOB, I didn't like the results on the field, but I think you are a stand up guy, and I appreciate that you ran a clean program and graduated players."

Final score: non-credible.

11/26/2012 10:19:09 AM

SYM-bolism

11/26/2012 10:23:53 AM

i'll miss him

11/26/2012 10:41:10 AM

Quote :

"we have a clean, high-middle of the road football team"

lol, wat? Take away the cupcake OOC wins and our record is horrendous.

11/26/2012 10:46:16 AM

so glad he's gone

UNC meltdown is what sealed his fate. Had he won that one, I think he might have hung around for another season.

11/26/2012 11:00:42 AM

wat.

UT game? Miami game? UVA GAME?

11/26/2012 11:04:55 AM

if we had beaten Miami and UVA, and still lost to UNC, it would've been a pretty good season

9-3 with losses to Tennessee, UNC and Clemson would be pretty good

11/26/2012 11:07:34 AM