^^ Except zimmermans gun as behind him and out of site. According the CNN there was no way he could have seen the gun while giving him the MMA ass whuppin of the year.

7/14/2013 2:42:10 PM

I agree with bottom baby.

However, his actions directly led to someone dying, and I feel like involuntary manslaughter is quite appropriate. I wish the state did a better job of presenting this case, instead of going for the throat. I think they were afraid to highlight manslaughter (despite the jury being allowed to consider), because they'd sacrifice a murder charge. But I don't see how you could ever prove murder

7/14/2013 2:43:31 PM

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" I don't really understand all the hate with this, correct me if I'm wrong but the story goes zimmerman saw treyvon and likely profiled the hell out of him to instigate everything but then treyvon ends up getting pissed and ends up on top of zimmerman banging his head against the ground and reaching for his gun so zimmerman fires, that def sounds like grounds for self defense to me juries go by facts, we don't need some huge race drama over that"

Quote :

"Something doesn't quite seem right. Let's hear Trayvon's account of what happened. Trayvon? Trayvon: __________________ Oh, damn "

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2013 2:45:27 PM

you got a link for that BJ?



^def a good point, but part of all murder trials

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 2:47 PM. Reason : k]

7/14/2013 2:47:05 PM

No, you don't have to do what the dispatcher tells you to do, but seeing as how they are trained to give these instructions to the individuals who call in it's probably advisable to listen. It would have been the reasonable thing to do and one of several things that could have prevented it from happening. It's not a crime to disregard the request, but I think that some people believe that they are far more capable than they really are when they go off to be heroes. I think that's what GZ ran off to do... stop who he believed to be an evil doer. He decided to be a cowboy and unjustly ended someone's life. I don't think he went after TM to kill him. I think he ran off to make sure 'this one' didn't get away without fully considering what he was doing.

Oh and I would have tried to beat the ever living shit out of someone following me. Or run. Because I'm a girl.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 2:59 PM. Reason : .]

7/14/2013 2:56:51 PM

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"why am i not surprised that DoubleDown can't read"

I know I need to make things a little more easier to understand for people like Seth LeDowny

Original quote:

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"Had GZ not decided to be a cowboy and kept his ass in the car as the police asked him to do, nothing would have happened."

How many times do you want to give a $9/hr GED educated dispatcher the title of Police before you realize they aren't Police? Argument is void.

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"Oh and I would have tried to beat the ever living shit out of someone following me."

Then I would question your upbringing. Your parents failed at parenting. Turning to violence as a first resort means you're a thug, and you deserve a quick shot to the heart.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 3:01 PM. Reason : ^wrong. Dispatchers receive zero law enforcement training]

7/14/2013 2:59:11 PM

jprince11, I think most people, if they were required to be honest, would admit that 1) Zimmerman sucks big time and 2) there just wasn't enough evidence to convict him.

Where the hate comes in is that people get convicted on less evidence all the time. The laws in this country--and the way they are applied--straight up wreak havoc on largely less affluent families and communities.

So...yeah...I think that's what people are really pissed about: Zimmerman got justice when so many other people do not. Two wrongs don't make a right, of course, but I think it's reasonable for folks to be upset about the situation.

7/14/2013 3:01:29 PM

Quote :

"I don't really understand all the hate with this, correct me if I'm wrong but the story goes zimmerman saw treyvon and likely profiled the hell out of him to instigate everything but then treyvon ends up getting pissed and ends up on top of zimmerman banging his head against the ground and reaching for his gun so zimmerman fires, that def sounds like grounds for self defense to me juries go by facts, we don't need some huge race drama over that "

These aren't facts, that's a story. An opinion.

This story doesn't add up to me, and never has, because of the 911 calls. List to the one with the screams and try to imagine this supposed fight Zimmerman was in. Whether its Zimmerman or Martin screaming, Zimmermans story can't work.

Not to mention that trayvon wasn't a murderer and probably wouldn't have shot Zimmerman.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 3:05 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2013 3:03:53 PM

Well, I know a 911 dispatcher and they receive plenty of training. I'm assuming that police dispatchers, while receiving no law enforcement training are trained in how to handle phone calls and what type of instructions to give callers.

If GZ had been on the phone will a police officer, they would have told him the exact same thing. It's kinda a public safety thing. My step father was with the Sherriff's Dept and they don't exactly send civilians out to confront criminals or do reconnaissance.

And yes, I have horrible parents. If I feel threatened by an individual, I just lay down on the ground and play dead. Someone who has followed me for several blocks, first in their car and then on foot, I would perceive as a threat and treat them as such. Some of us fight others flight.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

7/14/2013 3:06:16 PM

^
It's common sense not to follow someone not doing anything wrong.

Most people wouldn't have done what Zimmerman did.


[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 3:08 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2013 3:08:23 PM

No link for it, one of the women talking last night kept pointing it out when they were talking about how bad the prosecution did. I'm sure its on now since american news is all reruns.

7/14/2013 3:11:58 PM

While the thing is a mess and upsetting, what I think is most disturbing is how some people are calling GZ a hero. Do I think he gunned Treyvon down in cold blooded, premeditated fashion? Not exactly. But he fucking KILLED a teenager who wasn't doing anything wrong. What on earth is heroic about that?


[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 3:54 PM. Reason : 20k what what]

7/14/2013 3:50:28 PM

7/14/2013 3:56:21 PM

My neighborhood has had a rash of thefts out of vehicles... If I spotted someone I did not know, I might tail them and call it in. But armed or not, under no circumstances would it be wise to step out of the vehicle. End of fucking story. Worst case you're an asshole for calling the cops on a kid who wasn't doing anything wrong.

7/14/2013 4:47:06 PM

https://twitter.com/itscrab/status/356244638178349056

This is what a neighborhood watch should be about.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 4:50 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2013 4:49:25 PM

One of the most disturbing things that I've seen come out of all of this is those people that see this Not Guilty verdict, and then take that to mean that Zimmerman acted correctly that night, and that Trayvon Martin deserved to get shot through the heart.

That Not Guilty verdict really means that the state did not have enough evidence to say whether Zimmerman acted in self defense or not.

7/14/2013 4:53:57 PM

That can go either way emce. You'd have to ask the jurors if they voted because the burden wasn't met or they believed it was self defense.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 5:01 PM. Reason : im under burden wasnt met]

7/14/2013 5:00:41 PM

One in the same, no?

7/14/2013 5:04:52 PM

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""For the rest of your life you are now going to feel what its like to be a black man in America," Alex Fraser wrote [about zimmerman]. "You will feel people stare at you. Judging you for what you think are unfair reasons. You will lose out on getting jobs for something you feel is outside of your control. You will believe yourself to be an upstanding citizen and wonder why people choose to not see that. ... "I bet you never thought that by shooting a black male you'd end up inheriting all of his struggles." Fraser added, "Enjoy your 'freedom.'" "

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/14/justice/zimmerman-what-next/?sr=google_news&google_editors_picks=true

7/14/2013 5:06:32 PM

^^yeah i don't see a huge difference

the fact that manslaughter wasn't really even on the table says it all

^ i saw that earlier. i wish it were true, but i bet he gets more high fives than anything else. just the way it goes.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 5:08 PM. Reason : .]

7/14/2013 5:06:49 PM

I don't think Zimmerman is racist, he's just a cowardly, delusional idiot. I don't see him taking up company with those who want to see more black guys shot.

7/14/2013 5:11:43 PM

No, he's racist. I mean, not Paula Deen, racist... but still racist.

7/14/2013 5:19:23 PM

Could you explain how he is racist?
I don't understand why people still force racism. Both of them are shit stains to society. It has nothing to do with what race they are. The only way this case could've ended better is if everyone died.

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

7/14/2013 5:21:54 PM

One less future felon in the world now thanks to GZ

7/14/2013 5:23:31 PM

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"but the prosecution asked the judge to allow the jury to consider manslaughter, and he still went free"

Yes, but they put manslaughter on the table in the last days of the trial, not from the get-go. The prosecution knew it didn't have a strong enough case for Murder-2 so as a last ditch effort decided to add the charge in. Had the jury been considering the case all along for either manslaughter, murder-2 or not guilty from the beginning, I think the outcome would have been different.

The state did not present the case beyond a reasonable doubt, so there is where the blame should lie.

7/14/2013 5:24:15 PM

^^^Zimmerman called the cops when he saw black people in his neighborhood. It was in the evidence. He never called the cops on white people because he's racist. It isn't fucking rocket science you dickface.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 5:25 PM. Reason : you asshole dickface shithead fucker]

7/14/2013 5:24:29 PM

anytime someone of one race does something to someone of another race, regardless of reason, it's racist. duh.

7/14/2013 5:24:51 PM

So you wouldn't call the cops if you saw suspicious people in your neighborhood?

I'm Krallum and I approved this message.

7/14/2013 5:25:38 PM

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"One in the same, no?"

IMO, No. Acquittal because of a failure to meet burden by state, you could feel like Zimmerman's story was straight bullshit, but the state didn't poke enough holes in it. Acquittal from belief that he truly did act in self dense is a bit different.

I can see how you can construct it being one in the same... I personally feel there's a distinction.

[Edited on July 14, 2013 at 5:42 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2013 5:41:29 PM

Quote :

"How many times do you want to give a $9/hr GED educated dispatcher the title of Police before you realize they aren't Police? Argument is void."

>criticizes someone for mischaracterizing dispatchers
>mischaracterizes dispatchers

7/14/2013 5:45:49 PM

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"jprince11, I think most people, if they were required to be honest, would admit that 1) Zimmerman sucks big time and 2) there just wasn't enough evidence to convict him. Where the hate comes in is that people get convicted on less evidence all the time. The laws in this country--and the way they are applied--straight up wreak havoc on largely less affluent families and communities. So...yeah...I think that's what people are really pissed about: Zimmerman got justice when so many other people do not. Two wrongs don't make a right, of course, but I think it's reasonable for folks to be upset about the situation."

you give people a lot more intelligence than they have

7/15/2013 2:32:02 PM

wow. That would leave them with over 2 times as much intelligence as they started with.

7/15/2013 2:57:35 PM

Shouldn't the rage be directed towards the prosecutors?

Just a thought.

7/15/2013 3:08:43 PM

Quote :

"^^^Zimmerman called the cops when he saw black people in his neighborhood. It was in the evidence. He never called the cops on white people because he's racist. It isn't fucking rocket science you dickface."

What's your reason for believing this? I heard the news clips too where Zimmerman says something like "I think he's black". Unfortunately, the media intentionally edited these clips to play into the race-baiting narrative. The dispatcher asked Zimmerman what skin color the person was, and he said he thought he was black.

Go find my posts when this story came out. I thought Zimmerman had gunned down a black kid in the street and was getting away with it. Then I actually looked at the available evidence.

7/15/2013 3:17:21 PM

also (i cant remember the timeframe) 7 of 7 recent burglaries in zimmermans neighborhood where the suspect was apprehended were all african american.

statistics hate black people.

7/15/2013 3:28:22 PM

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"Go find my posts when this story came out. I thought Zimmerman had gunned down a black kid in the street and was getting away with it. Then I actually looked at the available evidence."

It was the same for me.

7/15/2013 3:40:53 PM

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"statistics hate black people"

statistics are racist. if you take statistics into decision making you are PROFILING. if you take personal experience into decision making you are PROFILING. if you listen to your mother and 'trust your instincts' you are PROFILING. Think you're in a bad part of town? No, you're actually being a racist profiler.

7/15/2013 8:53:13 PM

by the bad part of town you mean the only place black people can afford and hence congregate.

7/15/2013 8:55:24 PM

I actually got suspended from Facebook for 12 hours for pointing out that a particular bigot (whose name I will not repeat here) whom I grew up with would probably pull a Zimmerman on me if either (a) Ohio adopted a stand-your-ground law, considered likely because of the Rethug dominance of the state House, Senate, and Governorship, or (b) I went to visit my family in Indiana, even though he'd have a harder time getting away with it because I'm not black.

I said this some time after he called me a juvenile name for calling a friend who defended his own racial profiling in law enforcement a "bigot" and posted his own comments along the lines that EMCE said: He thought that because Zimmerman was acquitted, it meant he was morally in the right.
I had plenty of run-ins with this guy growing up and I could tell that if Indiana had adopted its SYG law when Florida did, rather than a year ago, I wouldn't have made it out of the state alive.

7/15/2013 9:06:56 PM

Just got back from a bender. Not reading all this shit. Who won the trial?

7/15/2013 9:11:09 PM

like in most of life's events, when it's all said and done, no one wins but the lawyers

7/15/2013 9:16:28 PM

lol @ lewis

7/15/2013 9:17:38 PM

i don't understand his post

i think i need a flow chart

7/15/2013 9:18:48 PM

itt lewisje takes himself too seriously

7/15/2013 9:24:34 PM

I think he was trying to say a bully ran him out of his home state because he was suspended from facebook?

7/15/2013 9:53:30 PM

No, I said I was suspended from Facebook because I accused someone of wanting to pull a Zimmerman on me now that Zimmerman himself went free on it, remarking that as long as I stay outside stand-your-ground territory, he can't.

Anyway, it's sad that the voir dire of the ignorant, casually bigoted juror B37 (now planning to write a book about the ordeal) got pulled from YouTube by the poster, but here's an interesting discussion of why she didn't just get struck out by a peremptory challenge: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2013/07/zimmerman_trial_juror_b37_why_did_prosecutors_let_her_on_the_trayvon_martin.single.html

7/15/2013 10:01:42 PM

WTF?

7/15/2013 10:24:03 PM

prosecution could have gotten rid of that juror.

again, misdirected rage.

7/15/2013 10:27:16 PM

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"prosecution could have gotten rid of that juror. again, misdirected rage."

Agreed.

As far as turning a buck she wouldn't be the first or the last to do something like this.

7/15/2013 10:32:50 PM

Am I the only one who thinks Zimmerman supporters won't really care what's in her book, Martin supporters won't buy her book anyway, and those indifferent to the situation will remain so?

7/15/2013 10:38:04 PM