I SUCK HEADS UP!!!

But turning $3 into $644.50 is always nice... my biggest cash ever.

Oh well.

2/2/2006 12:40:06 AM

oh yeah

well i lost with 66 to 77

2/2/2006 12:42:40 AM

I played some more 300 NL at Hawaiin gardens today.

I was holding [9, 10] suited

Guy next to me was holding [A, 9]

Across from me a guy had [Q, Q]

flop was [9, 6, 6]

moderate betting. QQ should have taken it down then but didn't.

Turn was a [9]

Checking...

River was a [10]

QQ bets $30. I raise to $100. Guy next to me pushes all-in. Of course I call.

He was pissed.


I'm up a couple grand over the last 2 weeks. The cash tables are more fun to me than the tournaments. Maybe thats cause I haven't had much luck in the few tournaments I've played in.

2/2/2006 12:59:37 AM

gg sean

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 1:47 AM. Reason : .]

2/2/2006 1:43:15 AM

I still hate this damn starting hand... but this was a lucky break

PokerStars Game #3838992329: Tournament #18846527, Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/02/02 - 15:28:04 (ET)
Table '18846527 17' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: hmay111 (3015 in chips)
Seat 2: DrOldSchool (2765 in chips)
Seat 3: Sharp Flatts (3395 in chips)
Seat 4: JGBL711 (3677 in chips)
Seat 5: fermata (2540 in chips)
Seat 6: TBCrepNY (6315 in chips)
Seat 7: Boisemike (1840 in chips)
Seat 8: ajplut (3338 in chips)
Seat 9: weakend (3320 in chips)
JGBL711: posts small blind 75
fermata: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to DrOldSchool [7c 8c]
TBCrepNY: folds
Boisemike: folds
ajplut: folds
weakend: calls 150
hmay111: folds
DrOldSchool: calls 150
Sharp Flatts: folds
JGBL711: folds
fermata: checks
*** FLOP *** [Tc Js 9c]
fermata: checks
weakend: bets 450
DrOldSchool: raises 600 to 1050
fermata: folds
weakend: raises 2120 to 3170 and is all-in
DrOldSchool: calls 1565 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Tc Js 9c] [Jc]
*** RIVER *** [Tc Js 9c Jc] [9s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
weakend: shows [Qs Kd] (a straight, Nine to King)
DrOldSchool: shows [7c 8c] (a straight flush, Seven to Jack)
DrOldSchool collected 5755 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5755 | Rake 0
Board [Tc Js 9c Jc 9s]
Seat 1: hmay111 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: DrOldSchool showed [7c 8c] and won (5755) with a straight flush, Seven to Jack
Seat 3: Sharp Flatts (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: JGBL711 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: fermata (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: TBCrepNY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Boisemike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: ajplut folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: weakend showed [Qs Kd] and lost with a straight, Nine to King

2/2/2006 3:48:40 PM

looking for some input from you mtt vets. I have been feeling pretty good about my game lately, but I'm still looking to fill in some thin spots.

So it's deep into a tourney, about 42 left out of 550 or so. I have around 14k, which is about the average, and blinds are 500/1000. I'm sitting in about 8th position and 5th puts in a raise to 4k (he also has about 14k) I have suited big slick. I didn't have a solid read on this guy since I just recently switched tables, but from what I could gather so far he seemed more or less solid.

My dilemma is whether to re-raise all in or simply call. I figure it is highly likely he has a pair lower than kings, but it is possible he has a-q, of course it's also possible he has kings or aces. With smaller blinds I think I would just call here, trying to keep volatility low since I feel pretty good about how I stack up against the other players (try not to take coin flips if I don't have to), but the problem here is calling only leaves me with 10k, and with blinds at 500/1000, i'm worried i might not get a hand this big for some time. Folding seems way to weak (which it is) so i re-raise, figuring I need to get some chips to make a push for the win anyway. If I called I would've folded to an all-in post flop without hitting a king or ace.

Long question short: can you reasonably smooth call in this spot, or is my stack too low relative to blinds for a mere call? I was pretty sure I'd get a call with my re-raise, whether I was ahead or not.

2/2/2006 5:54:39 PM

now thats a nice suckout

2/2/2006 5:55:32 PM

You should push all in. It's stupid just to call.

2/2/2006 6:05:44 PM

^^^you dont want to take a flop there, all-in is the right play


namely because of this: if you take a flop and whiff, he will likely go all in and you have no further information about his hand. he could have a legitamite pair or it could be a continuation bet with AQ or AJ(which is an appealing move seeing as how he has 10k left and theres like 9k in the pot)

that is a nightmare scenario, better to just push preflop cause you dont mind racing with your chips and there's a better chance that you have him dominated than vice versa. if you each had 30k or something then calling would be a viable option.




[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 6:06 PM. Reason : carrots]

2/2/2006 6:05:57 PM

There any home games going on tonight?

2/2/2006 6:07:06 PM

^^cool, that's kinda the way I saw it, i just wanted to double check with some people. i mean i pushed, he had qq and i lost, but I just didn't really feel comfortable with the whole situation. I think it's just that I prefer to play after the flop if I can, but when the blinds get that hi you can't really do a whole lot.

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 6:09 PM. Reason : dsfsa]

2/2/2006 6:09:11 PM

yea i mean the reraise is just as bad as a call unless its all in

1. you are going to have to call if he puts you all in anyways

2. with just the x amount reraise and not the all-in, you likely lose the chance of having your opponent fold, i mean if you just min raise him or 3x raise, you havent done much to prevent him from calling.

and anyways you are looking to win it, not to just place like 23rd and win like the 1% of the pool. So you have to do it.


you have an M of (.9*(1500/150)) 9 anyways, which means its gotta be an all in with a big hand, there is no room for post flop play.

2/2/2006 6:22:13 PM

So.....no home games going on tonight?

[Edited on February 2, 2006 at 6:27 PM. Reason : Damnit, this was easier when Turner lived here]

2/2/2006 6:26:47 PM

when i come back to raleigh, i will have one in brier creek, idk if it is too far for some people

NO FUCKING RAKE because i am not a jew


1/2nl

2/2/2006 6:29:06 PM

I would be down. No rake would be a nice change of pace. Damn those jews...

2/2/2006 6:45:52 PM

bad beat

I had [A, A]

bet $60

1 guy raises to $120

I push all in for $200 more

he calls and turns over [6, 6]

6 comes on the flop.

2/2/2006 7:48:02 PM

these $11 shootouts to the 700k are great, ive alread won one and sold it for like 500

also you get some pretty bad players, im in one now and everyone is calling huge raises, so i tried it out:


PokerStars Game #3842155777: Tournament #19030796, Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2006/02/02 - 20:38:37 (ET)
Table '19030796 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: eLsweet7s (1480 in chips)
Seat 2: andaz (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: wescotte (1470 in chips)
Seat 4: LC777 (1480 in chips)
Seat 5: BigIron15 (1470 in chips)
Seat 7: Xkal (3100 in chips)
Seat 8: Mr Pear (1500 in chips)
Xkal: posts small blind 10
Mr Pear: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Xkal [Qh Qs]
eLsweet7s: folds
andaz: calls 20
wescotte: folds
LC777: folds
BigIron15: calls 20
Xkal: raises 240 to 260
Mr Pear: folds
andaz: calls 240
BigIron15: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qd 4s Qc]
Xkal: checks
andaz: checks
*** TURN *** [Qd 4s Qc] [Ah]
Xkal: checks
andaz: bets 100
Xkal: calls 100
*** RIVER *** [Qd 4s Qc Ah] [8h]
Xkal: bets 200
andaz: raises 480 to 680
Xkal: raises 480 to 1160
andaz: folds
Xkal collected 2120 from pot
Xkal: shows [Qh Qs] (four of a kind, Queens)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2120 | Rake 0
Board [Qd 4s Qc Ah 8h]
Seat 1: eLsweet7s folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: andaz folded on the River
Seat 3: wescotte folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: LC777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: BigIron15 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Xkal (small blind) collected (2120)
Seat 8: Mr Pear (big blind) folded before Flop

2/2/2006 8:43:38 PM

I have had rolled trips 4 times in my life, and have lost on 3 of them. I never slow play... just outdrawn over and over again.

***** Hand History for Game 3484621978 *****
7 Card Stud $10 Buy-in + $1 Entry Fee Trny:19804677 Level:1 Stakes (15/30) - Thursday, February 02, 22:31:48 EDT 2006
Table Table 68092 (Real Money)
Seat 0 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 4: NickyBats ( $340 )
Seat 3: AmbreaDawn ( $1225 )
Seat 6: JO_ABBOTT ( $414 )
Seat 8: MABOOL ( $1290 )
Seat 2: joeyi41644 ( $991 )
Seat 1: zbxwdafaone ( $555 )
Seat 7: DollarADay ( $769 )
Seat 5: uncletom444 ( $816 )
Trny:19804677 Level:1
Stakes (15/30)
zbxwdafaone posts ante [2].
joeyi41644 posts ante [2].
AmbreaDawn posts ante [2].
NickyBats posts ante [2].
uncletom444 posts ante [2].
JO_ABBOTT posts ante [2].
DollarADay posts ante [2].
MABOOL posts ante [2].
** Dealing **
Dealt to AmbreaDawn [ 5c 5d 5h ]
JO_ABBOTT opens.
JO_ABBOTT bring-ins [5].
DollarADay folds.
MABOOL folds.
zbxwdafaone folds.
joeyi41644 calls [5].
AmbreaDawn completes [15].
NickyBats calls [15].
uncletom444 calls [15].
JO_ABBOTT calls [10].
joeyi41644 calls [10].
** Dealing Fourth street **
Dealt to AmbreaDawn [ Qd ]
AmbreaDawn opens.
AmbreaDawn bets [15].
NickyBats folds.
uncletom444 calls [15].
JO_ABBOTT calls [15].
joeyi41644 calls [15].
** Dealing Fifth street **
Dealt to AmbreaDawn [ Ac ]
uncletom444 opens.
uncletom444 checks.
JO_ABBOTT checks.
joeyi41644 checks.
AmbreaDawn bets [30].
uncletom444 raises [60].
JO_ABBOTT folds.
joeyi41644 calls [60].
AmbreaDawn raises [60].
uncletom444 calls [30].
joeyi41644 calls [30].
** Dealing Sixth street **
Dealt to AmbreaDawn [ 4s ]
uncletom444 opens.
uncletom444 checks.
joeyi41644 checks.
AmbreaDawn bets [30].
uncletom444 calls [30].
joeyi41644 calls [30].
** Dealing River **
Dealt to AmbreaDawn [ 2d ]
uncletom444 opens.
uncletom444 checks.
joeyi41644 checks.
AmbreaDawn checks.
uncletom444 shows [ As, 6d, 3h, 6s, 3d, 9h, 6c ] a full house, Sixes full of threes.
joeyi41644 doesn't show [ 7c, Th, 8s, Ts, 4d, 9s, Kd ] a pair of tens.
AmbreaDawn doesn't show [ 5c, 5d, 5h, Qd, Ac, 4s, 2d ] three of a kind, fives.
uncletom444 wins 511 chips from the main pot with a full house, Sixes full of threes.

This is about 10 times as bad as AA losing preflop in hold'em. What's worse is he called my first bet without even a pair.

2/2/2006 10:39:58 PM

Quote :

"uncletom444 wins 511 chips from the main pot with a full house, Sixes full of threes."

Yawn, I thought it was a cash game at first. What new with you Jim?

2/3/2006 12:19:27 AM

Folding the nuts in a cash game:

Was this the right play here? Villian had just stacked off against me with a bare AKK9 on a AJ2T board with two spades. I had AsJs and a low draw, and was telling me I drew out on him.

So he many not really understand the concepts of PLO8 toooo well, but how much credit can I give him here?


PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha/8, $2 BB (8 handed) converter

CO ($51.45)
Button ($78.90)
SB ($123.35)
Hero ($244.50)
UTG ($78)
UTG+1 ($28.55)
MP1 ($148.20)
MP2 ($80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5h, 7h, Qd, 6s.
UTG calls $2, 2 folds, MP2 calls $2, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($8) 5s, 3d, 4d (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $7.6, UTG folds, MP2 raises to $30.4, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $46

Results below:
No showdown. MP2 wins $46.


What is your line here and what range would you put villian on?

Id hate to be gettin freerolled with a better low and a flush draw

[Edited on February 3, 2006 at 5:17 PM. Reason : e]

[Edited on February 3, 2006 at 5:19 PM. Reason : w]

2/3/2006 5:16:02 PM

He could be overplaying a flopped wheel if he was complaing about the previous hand.

But I probably would've followed your lead into the muck here. There are too many ways you can end up with 1/4 at best, if anything.

2/3/2006 5:28:36 PM

Quote :

"PokerStars Game #3850869775: Tournament #19125372, Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2006/02/03 - 17:49:50 (ET) Table '19125372 1' Seat #5 is the button Seat 4: Morphman (5265 in chips) Seat 5: Nash NCSU (8235 in chips) Morphman: posts the ante 25 Nash NCSU: posts the ante 25 Nash NCSU: posts small blind 200 Morphman: posts big blind 400 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Nash NCSU [3d 3s] Nash NCSU: raises 5600 to 6000 Nash NCSU said, "33" Morphman said, "lol" Morphman: calls 4840 and is all-in *** FLOP *** [Th 7d 4h] *** TURN *** [Th 7d 4h] [5h] *** RIVER *** [Th 7d 4h 5h] [8d] *** SHOW DOWN *** Morphman: shows [Kd 9s] (high card King) Nash NCSU: shows [3d 3s] (a pair of Threes) Nash NCSU said, "gg" Morphman said, "gg" Nash NCSU collected 10530 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 10530 | Rake 0 Board [Th 7d 4h 5h 8d] Seat 4: Morphman (big blind) showed [Kd 9s] and lost with high card King Seat 5: Nash NCSU (button) (small blind) showed [3d 3s] and won (10530) with a pair of Threes"

i'm such a gentleman

2/3/2006 5:51:28 PM

^^^

God, this is why I shouldnt play a plo8 cash game and a plo tournament at the same time.

This is an easy laydown, and not really interesting at all

[Edited on February 3, 2006 at 5:52 PM. Reason : e]

2/3/2006 5:52:34 PM

I don't play stud very often, but this hand has helped me into the chip lead 1:15 into it

PokerStars Game #3851109478: Tournament #18846624, 7 Card Stud Limit - Level III (50/100) - 2006/02/03 - 18:12:25 (ET)
Table '18846624 23'
Seat 1: hartdog1 (1123 in chips)
Seat 2: tritan (1829 in chips)
Seat 3: Mavrix79 (2236 in chips)
Seat 4: skateaction (564 in chips)
Seat 5: DrOldSchool (3500 in chips)
Seat 6: br23 (1213 in chips)
Seat 7: ggotchyou (589 in chips)
Seat 8: Gedwyn (2590 in chips)
hartdog1: posts the ante 10
tritan: posts the ante 10
Mavrix79: posts the ante 10
skateaction: posts the ante 10
DrOldSchool: posts the ante 10
br23: posts the ante 10
ggotchyou: posts the ante 10
Gedwyn: posts the ante 10
*** 3rd STREET ***
Dealt to hartdog1 [2s]
Dealt to tritan [3d]
Dealt to Mavrix79 [Ks]
Dealt to skateaction [2h]
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Ah Ad Ac]
Dealt to br23 [Kh]
Dealt to ggotchyou [3c]
Dealt to Gedwyn [Jh]
skateaction: brings-in low 15
DrOldSchool: raises 35 to 50
br23: folds
ggotchyou: calls 50
Gedwyn: folds
hartdog1: folds
tritan: folds
Mavrix79: calls 50
skateaction: folds
*** 4th STREET ***
Dealt to Mavrix79 [Ks] [Qs]
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Ah Ad Ac] [7c]
Dealt to ggotchyou [3c] [8h]
DrOldSchool: bets 50
ggotchyou: calls 50
Mavrix79: calls 50
*** 5th STREET ***
Dealt to Mavrix79 [Ks Qs] [9d]
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Ah Ad Ac 7c] [7s]
Dealt to ggotchyou [3c 8h] [8d]
ggotchyou: bets 100
Mavrix79: raises 100 to 200
DrOldSchool: raises 100 to 300
ggotchyou: raises 100 to 400
Betting is capped
Mavrix79: calls 200
DrOldSchool: calls 100
*** 6th STREET ***
Dealt to Mavrix79 [Ks Qs 9d] [Js]
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Ah Ad Ac 7c 7s] [Jd]
Dealt to ggotchyou [3c 8h 8d] [5c]
ggotchyou: bets 79 and is all-in
Mavrix79: raises 21 to 100
DrOldSchool: raises 100 to 200
Mavrix79: raises 100 to 300
DrOldSchool: raises 100 to 400
Betting is capped
Mavrix79: calls 100
*** RIVER ***
Dealt to DrOldSchool [Ah Ad Ac 7c 7s Jd] [Jc]
Mavrix79: bets 100
DrOldSchool: raises 100 to 200
Mavrix79: raises 100 to 300
DrOldSchool: raises 100 to 400
Betting is capped
Mavrix79: calls 100
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DrOldSchool: shows [Ah Ad Ac 7c 7s Jd Jc] (a full house, Aces full of Jacks)
Mavrix79: mucks hand
DrOldSchool collected 1442 from side pot
ggotchyou: mucks hand
DrOldSchool collected 1832 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3274 Main pot 1832. Side pot 1442. | Rake 0
Seat 1: hartdog1 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 2: tritan folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Mavrix79 mucked [9s 9c Ks Qs 9d Js Kc]
Seat 4: skateaction folded on the 3rd Street
Seat 5: DrOldSchool showed [Ah Ad Ac 7c 7s Jd Jc] and won (3274) with a full house, Aces full of Jacks
Seat 6: br23 folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)
Seat 7: ggotchyou mucked [3s Tc 3c 8h 8d 5c 6h]
Seat 8: Gedwyn folded on the 3rd Street (didn't bet)

2/3/2006 6:49:20 PM

hahaha that gotchu guy is a fucking moron


ps sean look at my reply to the post in our yahoo points league

[Edited on February 3, 2006 at 6:56 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2006 6:56:09 PM

he completed/raised almost every hand preflop, and called most down to 7th street. I'm surprised he lasted as long as he did

2/3/2006 6:57:35 PM

some of the worst poker of my life tonight

couldn't catch a damn thing, lost every race

2/3/2006 9:41:57 PM

i may change it up and not go to the borgata tomorrow, mebbe the sands or trop

2/3/2006 11:53:37 PM

PokerStars Game #3855808439: Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2006/02/04 - 00:58:40 (ET)
Table 'Meriones' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: squavy ($60.15 in chips)
Seat 2: mickez ($20.10 in chips)
Seat 3: LetsGoCanes ($62.90 in chips)
Seat 4: The Hish 24 ($11.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Th3Birdman ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 7: aikiman ($24.20 in chips)
Seat 8: Foamer ($1.85 in chips)
Seat 9: towely989 ($23.70 in chips)
The Hish 24: posts small blind $0.25
Th3Birdman: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to The Hish 24 [7s 6s]
aikiman: calls $0.50
Foamer: folds
towely989: calls $0.50
squavy: calls $0.50
mickez: folds
LetsGoCanes: calls $0.50
The Hish 24: calls $0.25
Th3Birdman: checks
*** FLOP *** [5s 4s Jh]
The Hish 24: checks
Th3Birdman: checks
aikiman: bets $0.50
towely989: raises $1 to $1.50
squavy: folds
LetsGoCanes: folds
The Hish 24: calls $1.50
Th3Birdman: folds
aikiman: calls $1
*** TURN *** [5s 4s Jh] [Kh]
The Hish 24: checks
aikiman: checks
towely989: bets $1.50
The Hish 24: calls $1.50
aikiman: calls $1.50
*** RIVER *** [5s 4s Jh Kh] [3s]
The Hish 24: bets $2
aikiman: calls $2
towely989 said, "hish hit ur flush there?"
towely989: folds
*** SHOW DOWN ***
The Hish 24: shows [7s 6s] (a straight flush, Three to Seven)
aikiman: mucks hand
The Hish 24 collected $15.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $16 | Rake $0.75
Board [5s 4s Jh Kh 3s]
Seat 1: squavy folded on the Flop
Seat 2: mickez folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: LetsGoCanes (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 4: The Hish 24 (small blind) showed [7s 6s] and won ($15.25) with a straight flush, Three to Seven
Seat 5: Th3Birdman (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: aikiman mucked [Jd Ks]
Seat 8: Foamer folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: towely989 folded on the River

2/4/2006 1:00:56 AM

Quote :

"towely989 said, "hish hit ur flush there?" towely989: folds "

2/4/2006 1:09:16 AM

CAWLED IT!

2/4/2006 2:40:25 AM

I just started watching rounders and I think I sat at the same table they are at at that Taj scene. Oh yeah 4th straight loss tonight. Whoa. I rock. I have only played 4 games in a month though.

2/5/2006 1:28:11 AM

hahaa i played at the taj today

they have a 300+40 tourney at 6pm

i made it about 2.5 hrs in and witnessed some of the worst tournament poker i have ever seen. I wont talk about the hand i went out on yet because if i talk about it i will get mad. it was ridiculous.


anyways, i went to the $ 2/5 nl tables and made my tourney money back + 1400, so all in all not a bad outing. I swear each time i go, the players are worse. It really is getting to the point where I contemplate if poker will be a skill game in a couple of years as bad as people are.

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 1:43 AM. Reason : .]

2/5/2006 1:38:16 AM

You suck Karim

2/5/2006 1:58:38 AM

2/5/2006 1:59:26 AM

I want to go use my Trop card

2/5/2006 2:01:33 AM

i have like 5 cards now

idk if thats good or bad


but if you ever go back to the taj, there is this dude that knows darden that always plays the big limit stuff there and the 300+40 on saturday. i met him the last time i was at the taj for the US Poker Championships. His name is "all-in" gwynn. he's a black guy in is prolly early 30's who has played around ac for a long time. like he knew ivey when ivey was playing underage at the trop etc. cool guy. he is recognizable b.c he has a big scar on his face that looks like someone slashed him from his eye down to his mouth. I am prolly going back next sunday b/c he's playing in the curcuit event at Harrahs and he told me the cash games at the side tables will be packed with easy money.

2/5/2006 2:09:24 AM

Hand #11534714-4041 at Providence (No Limit Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 05/Feb/06 07:28:20

Vroomster is at seat 0 with $43.40.
eezie is at seat 1 with $23.15.
Shoshana is at seat 2 with $25.05.
Darn Small is at seat 3 with $22.90.
RVoegele is at seat 4 with $18.70.
graaier is at seat 5 with $10.
noempati is at seat 6 with $28.
Preem is at seat 7 with $53.35.
Squash2005 is at seat 8 with $11.30.
getoutofhere is at seat 9 with $38.30 (sitting out).
The button is at seat 3.

RVoegele posts the small blind of $.10.
graaier posts the big blind of $.25.

Vroomster: -- --
eezie: -- --
Shoshana: -- --
Darn Small: -- --
RVoegele: Kc Ah
graaier: -- --
noempati: -- --
Preem: -- --
Squash2005: -- --

Pre-flop:

noempati folds. Preem folds. Squash2005 folds.
Vroomster folds. eezie folds. Shoshana raises to
$.85. Darn Small folds. RVoegele calls. graaier
folds.

Flop (board: 3c Qh 6h):

RVoegele checks. Shoshana bets $.80. RVoegele
calls.

Turn (board: 3c Qh 6h 3h):

RVoegele checks. Shoshana bets $1.50. RVoegele
calls.

River (board: 3c Qh 6h 3h 6c):

RVoegele checks. Shoshana bets $.25. RVoegele
calls.



Showdown:

Shoshana shows As 8s.
Shoshana has As 3c 6h 3h 6c: two pair, sixes and threes.
RVoegele shows Kc Ah.
RVoegele has Ah 3c 6h 3h 6c: two pair, sixes and threes.


Hand #11534714-4041 Summary:

$.35 is raked from a pot of $7.05.
RVoegele wins $3.35 of a $6.70 pot with two pair, sixes and threes.
Shoshana wins $3.35 of a $6.70 pot with two pair, sixes and threes.
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Do I raise preflop?? Am I too weak with AK preflop, I was out of position....
Please help.

2/5/2006 7:31:34 AM

thats probably the worst way to play AK there

2/5/2006 11:36:25 AM

Oh karim, ive got a story for you that happened thursday night that youll love.

Im going to get brekfast then ill type her up

2/5/2006 11:42:32 AM

haha sweet

btw i havent talked to you since your job offer, gg

2/5/2006 11:43:26 AM

OK heres the deal, 1/2 no limit. The players involved that you know are me, jonnySim, azn Tommy, Romi (sp), and another older guy, elvie or soemthing like that, that ive never played with before.

Some of you know exactly what goes on here.

Ok, I had been playing really bad all night, wayyyy too passive, but also wasnt getting any hands at all, so garbage like 57o was becomming playable. It was getitng late, and I was stick about 100 after working back from being stuck like 3. For the sake of this arguement, Ive got everyone covered with about 300, I dont have Tommy covered, but he dropped out of the hand early.

Pick up As Ah UTG.


to mix it up a bit, i just limp from the 7 seat.

Tommy, three seats to my left, obliges me and raises to $12 in the 10 seat. For the arguement, this was about his standard raise. could be anyting from 22-AA, Ax+, JT-KQ. Romi cold-calls the $12 from seat 1. Ive played with him twice this week now, after having not played with him in probably 2-3 years. I just know how he used to play, but nothing that id consider serious enough to hold true. His call means absolutely anything to me. Elvie cold calls behind in the 2. jonnySim on the button in seat 4 bumps it up all in $75 more. man, im getting wicked action on this hand, im getting giddy, but i hope that that raise will knock out everyone else, so i go in to this hand with a bunch of dead money in the pot with aces. nice position to be in. so its $85 to me. For some reason I still dont know, i just flat call the full bet. I only have about another $80 behind, but only Tommy has me covered by a few hundred. IF Romi calls, he will be all in, and if Elvie calls, he'll have about $20 left behind. I think my plan was to push all in on any flop if Tommy comes along.

Well, he doesnt come along. He seems utterly confused about the way the hand went down, and the shit storm his initial raise started. Or what he thinks he started. I really started it. ahah

Romi calls all in, for like $3-5 less than the bet was. Elvie just flat calls the $75 raise and leaves about $20 behind (????????).

ok, for way action with everyone putting in ~$87 into the pot with the $3 dead from the blinds. So a $351 pot with no more real decisions. I push in blind to force Elvie to commit his stack, no matter what the flop is.

Flop comes: 2c 8c Th

Elvie calls, we are all in. I flip up my cards, no one else does yet. i found that odd.

Turn like a random red middling card.

river is the: Kc

jonnySim now tables KK for a set of kings. I dont see this however b/c elvie is standing up excited and tables Ac7c, for the nut flush. "NUT FLUSH!!!111" Romi gets up and leaves and never shows. I really have absolutely no feeling as to what he had.

When I asked him about why he called the huge reriase with me calling behind screaming aces, he said "What?? I had the pot odds to call there!"



The only logic i can find in this is that there are four suits, hes getting ~3:1 on a call, so threfore the odds for a flush comming out are 3:1? i guess?

I have no idea.

After the hand, Tommy told me he had AJ, so i guess all my aces were gone, but it wouldnt have mattered. Lets just say id be less confused if it was heads up between me and jonnySim and he set up the kings.




For the arguement of things, lets say Romi had QQ. quite frankly, I dont know what else hed go all in with after an all in and a call infront of him. That or maybe something creative like a suited 78 thinking he had a shitton of live cards if all the high cards were in our hands, and was looking for a gamble to build a nice stack to swing around.


pokenum -h as ah - ks kd - ac 7c - qh qs
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 588356 54.18 486378 44.79 11274 1.04 0.546
Ks Kd 200919 18.50 882045 81.22 3044 0.28 0.186
Ac 7c 120600 11.10 954134 87.86 11274 1.04 0.116
Qs Qh 164859 15.18 918105 84.54 3044 0.28 0.153


pokenum -h as ah - ks kd - ac 7c - 7s 8s
Holdem Hi: 1086008 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ah 589895 54.32 485452 44.70 10661 0.98 0.548
Ks Kd 196244 18.07 888100 81.78 1664 0.15 0.181
Ac 7c 88455 8.14 967548 89.09 30005 2.76 0.095
8s 7s 181409 16.70 883591 81.36 21008 1.93 0.176



Four-way all ins are fuckig nerve wrecking. Its happened to me three times int he last like 3 sessions, I dont know if i have the sac for the variance, despite the fact that Im a coinflip getting 3:1 on a 1:1 draw.

2/5/2006 12:06:55 PM

knowing rammie or however he spells his name

he prolly had like 34 of hearts

but damn thats crazy

all that action, QQ is folded. Has to fold. QQ is fucked.

now wtf A7 was doing is the question

2/5/2006 12:16:10 PM

I knew romi was doing something actually thought through

the Ac7c was the moral of this story

2/5/2006 12:19:04 PM

was this at pkr?


i hear tommy is down pretty bad in the past month and a half

i cant wait to come back to play against some decent players

i cant stand this infinite amount of casino donks

its great when there are 4-5 at a table who dont know what they are doing

but when its you and 8 morons it sucks.


last night i raised utg with KK at the 2/5 table my very first hand to 30, not knowing the table chemistry. I got 7 callers whose stacks ranged from 100-250. I of course bought in for the max 500. the flop was Q 10 5. i checked, the dude directly to my left went all in. 1 other called all-in. I am like fuck, i actually think about it, but then i call. the guy to my left has Q8, the caller has J 10.

I was like you gotta be fucking kidding me. turn 3 river 3. Some dude that had called the 30 then says dammit! I knew i shouldnt have folded my K3. and someone else who called said they mucked A3.

i dont know if i like this shit or not

[Edited on February 5, 2006 at 12:41 PM. Reason : .]

2/5/2006 12:30:33 PM

^

2/5/2006 12:41:19 PM

you should love it.

just dont put moves on people incapable of understanding.

2/5/2006 12:42:55 PM

the hands were never heads up


if there was a raise, at least 2 people always called

so i just started making the 2/5 table a 5/10 table

every raise I made from like 10 min in afterwards was $50

2/5/2006 12:48:35 PM

^^ the issue is, with good players, I should think, with them its an instant call, no hesitation. There is no thinking "they couldnt have called the raise with that"

2/5/2006 12:50:08 PM

anyone care to offer advice on my AK preflop? Instead of just saying I played it wrong.

Like options and why each would be good or bad...

2/5/2006 12:52:50 PM