Hey guys, thanks for the support.

1/26/2009 12:42:21 PM

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"in year #1, Herb got Derek Glasser, who is currently #2 in the PAC10 in A/T ratio and is the floor general of a top-15 team why hasn't Sid found a good/great PG over the span of ~3 years? does it really take 4 years to get a serviceable PG?"

you think when a coach makes the transition from NBA to college they automatically have all these recruiting ties already built? did sendek get top point guards in his first years of coaching college basketball?

1/26/2009 12:52:54 PM

You're right. It takes time to build the recruiting ties. Further proof that we made a big downgrade in our coaching staff.

1/26/2009 1:00:19 PM

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"why hasn't Sid found a good/great PG over the span of ~3 years? does it really take 4 years to get a serviceable PG?"

I beleive most agree that some blame falls on Sid for not having a serviceable PG in his thirds season. But it's also been explained that Sid is new to the college scene. Most top tier PGs are recruited for years. It would be hard (not impossible, but very tough) for Sid to jump in the scene and grab a a great PG in a couple years (which is really all he's had to recruit). And Mays is going to be serviceable, he's just not good enough to be solid his freshman year.

1/26/2009 1:02:28 PM

you're right...let's fire lowe and fire any coach who doesn't take us to the ncaa tourney in their first year...we'll have the top coaches in the nation knocking down our door for a chance to be a one-and-done coach at nc state for the shittiest fans in the country

1/26/2009 1:03:29 PM

wolfAApack, quality post. Let me add to that.

Given the quality of play (or lack thereof) at times during the past and current seasons, I can understand people being critical of Lowe. You can't get blown out by rivals, finish at the bottom of the ACC, and have no shot at the NCAA tourney without getting your fair share of heat. And no matter how much it sucked watching Herb's offense and being UNC & Duke's lapdog, nobody was ready to deal with State being as bad as it is right now...

...especially when you consider that the football program wasn't doing much better

However, as frustrating as it's been at times, Lowe has shown off his basketball IQ on multiple occasions in his brief tenure. Obviously the poor results in the W/L column hurt his credibility, but I think Lowe still has shown the potential to be a solid, if not great college coach. And as long as that potential is there, State should avoid firing him any sooner than AT LEAST end of next season, preferably the end of his 5th year. Let the guy get a chance to work with only his own players before casting your final verdict.

And btw... for those of you claiming that Lowe "doesn't understand the college game and shouldn't try running an NBA-style offense"...

1) Lowe's left-hand's pinky's fingernail knows more about bball than all of us on TWW combined. If you're going to claim Lowe doesn't know what he's doing, then include a detailed description of WHY you think so. B/c I'm faily sure I haven't seen more than a few SENTENCES from those you making this very bold and most grossly ignorant claim.

2) Lowe's always been known as a "coach on the court" at every level of bball he's played...
yet some of you think he's not observant enough to adapt his system as needed? Really? Sidney Lowe... the guy who got State's current team run a successful full-court press against DUKE... you're saying that guy can't coach the college game?

3) Teams like USC run a pro-style system in football. Amazingly enough, they tend to get pretty damn good recruits for it. BC did the same with Matt Ryan, and strangely enough he made the transition to the NFL rather easily. And the team didn't do too badly either. Gotta think that helped with recruiting... getting all that media attention and whatnot

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"You're right. It takes time to build the recruiting ties. Further proof that we made a big downgrade in our coaching staff."

Stop bringing this up, b/c it's completely irrelevant to the discussion. If you want Herb to come back, get over it. He's not coming back. That ship has sailed. And if that's what you're pissed off about, then start a "Fire Lee Fowler" thread and be done with it, b/c HE let Herb walked away.

Secondly, the arguments in favor of Lowe's hiring have always been his POTENTIAL to win big down the road, NOT immediately. You can disagree with that argument. That's fine. But stop bitching about how State's going through growing pains with Lowe. Stop bitching long enough for you to realize that we all should have seen this coming.

State will either rebound in the coming years, or Lowe will be fired. Period.



[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:18 PM. Reason : sdf]

1/26/2009 1:07:36 PM

Fire Fowler

Hire Erios

1/26/2009 1:09:57 PM

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"Our starting 5 under Herb may have been Wright, Harden, Reynolds, Hummel, and Costner/McCauley if he was still here."

No, it couldn't have been

1/26/2009 1:11:00 PM

^lol who said that?

1/26/2009 1:12:09 PM

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"I liked Herb. Big deal. I have never said I want him back. I just defend Herb. I'm not the one who brings him up. I said it was a mistake then and still say it was to run him off. He could have improved even more, nobody knows that. Our starting 5 under Herb may have been Wright, Harden, Reynolds, Hummel, and Costner/McCauley if he was still here. My liking of Herb has NOTHING to do with being critical of Lowe. I was critical of Herb at times. I hated Chuck, but not because I loved MOC. "

packboozie

And Harden, srsly? srsly?

His HS coach took a job at ASU as recruiting coordinator. Dude didn't even look outside the PAC 10. Herb had as much to do with his recruitment as Tim Floyd did with OJ Mayo.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:20 PM. Reason : s]

1/26/2009 1:17:33 PM

weren't hummel AND Harden from california?

1/26/2009 1:20:20 PM

Harden is from CA, Hummel is from Indiana and I don't think he considered leaving the state. Plus Indiana was pretty well fucked with coaches at the time so Purdue was the logical choice.

1/26/2009 1:24:07 PM

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"You're right. It takes time to build the recruiting ties. Further proof that we made a big downgrade in our coaching staff."

Yes it does. And it seems that in his rhird recruiting season, he's made some great ties very quickly. Smith was a top50 recruit, and JJ was a top10. Howell and Brown are both top50recruits. Leslie is a top50 recruit. And we were in the running for 3 of the top 10 players in the nation (and still are in the running for 2 of them). That NEVER happened in the past. I beleive that's quite an upgrade in recruiting from our previous coaching staff.

1/26/2009 1:27:05 PM

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"That NEVER happened in the past. I beleive that's quite an upgrade in recruiting from our previous coaching staff."

Bullshit. We aren't getting any of those top 10 guys so what does that matter? You want us to quit talking about Herb and then you make a post like that.

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"No, it couldn't have been"

Okay maybe not Harden, but Herb was right in the thick of it for Hummel and Scottie Reynolds when he was here.

1/26/2009 1:32:11 PM

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"Bullshit. We aren't getting any of those top 10 guys so what does that matter? You want us to quit talking about Herb and then you make a post like that. "

It matters because even if none of them commit, when big-time recruits have us in their final 3, it gives us national attention, and other recruits might look at us a little closer. You must realize that. Are you of the beleif that recruiting JJ has not been beneficial to our future recruiting? Some of our commits have talked about watching JJ coming here and go on to the NBA.

My post was addressing somebody making a comment about our recruiting being downgraded. And that's the Bullshit. Yes, please stop talking about that man with the plant name.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:46 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 1:39:20 PM

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"The five stages of grief are: 1-Denial 2-Anger 3-Bargaining 4-Depression 5-Acceptance "

We've got a few people stuck on stage 1, but most are around 2/3 still

we're not gonna be good for a while guys, it's time to accept it and move on and be realistic like TreeTwista10, Erios, and wolfAApack

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:41 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 1:39:34 PM

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"but Herb was right in the thick of it for Hummel and Scottie Reynolds when he was here."

We aren't weren't getting any of those top 10 guys so what does that matter?


see how fun speculation is?

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:40 PM. Reason : .]

1/26/2009 1:39:50 PM

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"And btw... for those of you claiming that Lowe "doesn't understand the college game and shouldn't try running an NBA-style offense"... 1) Lowe's left-hand's pinky's fingernail knows more about bball than all of us on TWW combined. If you're going to claim Lowe doesn't know what he's doing, then include a detailed description of WHY you think so. B/c I'm faily sure I haven't seen more than a few SENTENCES from those you making this very bold and most grossly ignorant claim."

Just b/c he knows the game doesn't make him a good coach. My contention is that he's probably a great x & o's guy but isn't able to teach the game to college kids. Just b/c you know the game and played it at a high level when you were young, doesn't make you a good coach.

Everyone's had a professor who was smart as hell but couldn't teach worth a damn. That would be Sid IMO.

If he can bring in top talent where he only has to manage the team we could probably be great. But now that we have mediocre talent and he has to actually coach the kids, we suck.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:50 PM. Reason : ']

1/26/2009 1:49:23 PM

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"Yes it does. And it seems that in his rhird recruiting season, he's made some great ties very quickly. Smith was a top50 recruit, and JJ was a top10. Howell and Brown are both top50recruits. Leslie is a top50 recruit. And we were in the running for 3 of the top 10 players in the nation (and still are in the running for 2 of them). That NEVER happened in the past. I beleive that's quite an upgrade in recruiting from our previous coaching staff."

-With JJ (first round pick) we finished dead fucking last in the conference. (I know someone is going to bitch about the damn point guard crap)
-Since when does "in the running" count for anything? We were "in the running" for some top players during Sendek's years too. Maybe we can use "in the running" as a reason to get into the NCAAs.
-Where were players like Hodge, Powell, Sherrill, Werner, Wright ranked?

Just admit we got a damn downgrade in coaching. Lowe wasn't the 5th or 6th guy for nothing.

1/26/2009 1:50:08 PM

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"Just b/c he knows the game doesn't make him a good coach. My contention is that he's probably a great x & o's guy but isn't able to teach the game to college kids. Just b/c you know the game and played it at a high level when you were young, doesn't make you a good coach. Everyone's had a professor who was smart as hell but could teach worth a damn. That would be Sid IMO. If he can bring in top talent where he only has to manage the team we could probably be great. But now that we have mediocre talent and he has to actually coach the kids, we suck."

My whole beef with people complaining about Lowe is that we had a good college coach, people bitched about the fact that we were winning but not winning the right games. He leaves.

Now, we have a guy who is a good x's and o's coach, but hasn't proven himself as a great college coach yet, and people are bitching about him. Some of the same people that wanted Herb gone.

The thing about Lowe is that he has identified top talent and signed them, and he's in the running for more. I do agree that with his style of play we need better players and he needs to be more of a manager than a motivator. I wish he could be both, but seriously, how many coaches are?


He's a guy that wants to change the culture around here. He wants to run, he wants to bring in top talent, and he wants to win. You people aren't giving him the chance. If you're going to do that (that being the exact opposite of what the old coach we ran out of town was), its going to take time, and the one thing he doesn't need is idiots breathing down his neck while he's trying to do his job.


3 years isn't long enough. 4 is long enough to start getting on the right track, and if we're not there by year 5 then the experiment can be ended. Until then, just let him try to do it right.

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"-With JJ (first round pick) we finished dead fucking last in the conference. (I know someone is going to bitch about the damn point guard crap) -Since when does "in the running" count for anything? We were "in the running" for some top players during Sendek's years too. Maybe we can use "in the running" as a reason to get into the NCAAs. -Where were players like Hodge, Powell, Sherrill, Werner, Wright ranked? Just admit we got a damn downgrade in coaching. Lowe wasn't the 5th or 6th guy for nothing."

why drop the JJ comment if you know the answer?

Who gives a shit if Lowe was a downgrade in coaching? our dumbass fans ran the good one out of town, and we flopped on the guys they all thought were locks right?

And those players were highly ranked. How did we do with them? Everyone was just bitching that we weren't beating duke or UNC so we ran off the coach that recruited them.

Do you get my point? You can't have it both ways.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 1:59 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 2:00 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 1:56:27 PM

I'm being optimistic in saying that he'll be able to win with great players. B/c I don't see any evidence in him being able to coach. Prime example is what happened last year. Having a 1st round draft pick in the lineup and finishing last in the ACC. You can say we didn't have a point guard but I think that after a year at the helm, a good coach should have been able to train someone to make an entry pass to a great post player, occupy a defender, not dribble off your foot, and manage the game somewhat. If not, you're not an ACC caliber coach.

You could also blame last year on the attitudes of the players. But again it points back to being a bad coach. A good coach would have shut that attitude shit down from day one. Kick players off the team or whatever. Not let it ruin a season.

You can't have the record he has right now in the ACC, with the lack of improvement over the 3 years, with what looks like a complete lack of effort during long stretches of games, and still convince me that he's a good coach.

But I'll be optimistic. Let's hope he can bring in superstars and win some games.

1/26/2009 2:09:09 PM

wow, you're a fucking retard.

so much idiocy in here.

so much.

1/26/2009 2:19:53 PM

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"Since when does "in the running" count for anything? We were "in the running" for some top players during Sendek's years too. Maybe we can use "in the running" as a reason to get into the NCAAs. "

that's the game winner right there, folks.

drive home safely

1/26/2009 2:20:21 PM

^^^In regards to your anti-no point guard argument, what is your opinion of Degand?

I'll say this. Degand sucked at first last year. But he improved before he got hurt, and he had some good games against good teams, and he was good on defense.

Degand does NOT look like the same player this year that he was, and thats even considering that he's improved a LOT since the beginning of the season.

Its like you people who think he can't coach only look at the negatives. You want to ignore the point guard from last year but the guy who was supposed to lead the team goes down with an ACL injury. You want to claim that Lowe can't coach b/c he needs a great point guard to run his offense, but he was being called an offensive genius when he had a healthy Engin Atsur, who nobody would call great.

Like I say, when you guys bring up the fact that he cant coach, or can't get it done, or can't do whatever, you always leave out half of the story, or you use some generalization to make your point. The fact is that you CANNOT base decisions about the programs future based on those dumb generalizations, half truths, and emotional baggage that some of these people post with.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 2:20 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 2:20:30 PM

I'm not trying to have anything both ways. I supported the last coach and the progress we were making under him. The people who ran him off need to hold the new coach accountable to the same standards they had for the previous one. If you remember the debates during Sendek's tenure, it was the supporters that were labeled as "putting our program down" or "having low standards."

It's just funny to see the same people who had such lofty expectations during Sendek's years are now trying to justify the nosedive the program took since he left.

And sorry, I just don't buy into the excuses for being last with a first round pick on the roster. We had the same core of players that made that big run in the ACC tournament the year before plus we added JJ and 2 PGs Lowe recruited. Either Lowe can't coach his PGs to play well enough to NOT be the last place team in the conference or he's a poor judge for talent.

1/26/2009 2:21:38 PM

Engin was a pretty damned good college PG


we'd be ranked if we had him this season. quote me on that

1/26/2009 2:22:08 PM

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"Quote : "Since when does "in the running" count for anything? We were "in the running" for some top players during Sendek's years too. Maybe we can use "in the running" as a reason to get into the NCAAs. " that's the game winner right there, folks. drive home safely "

I disagree. I think thats a loss. If you don't think it's beneficial for the program's future recruiting to have been one of Wall's, Favors', and Cousins' finalist (and we've still got a chance on two), then perhaps it's best if you don't drive home safely. (kidding, of course.)

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"The people who ran him off need to hold the new coach accountable to the same standards they had for the previous one."

I agree. If Sid is mediocrely good in his 10th year, i'll help run him out.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 2:25 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 2:24:13 PM

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"And sorry, I just don't buy into the excuses for being last with a first round pick on the roster. We had the same core of players that made that big run in the ACC tournament the year before plus we added JJ and 2 PGs Lowe recruited. Either Lowe can't coach his PGs to play well enough to NOT be the last place team in the conference or he's a poor judge for talent."

thank you for proving my point. I've explained it enough in other threads. You don't know what you're talking about if you don't think that PG was our problem this year. Are there other things you can complain about regarding Lowe? yes. But having a first round draft pick on a team and finishing last in the conference is not one of them.

for shits and giggles, I'll post the Wake Forest example with and without Chris Paul, because Eric Williams was a LOCK 1st rounder with chris paul, and Justin Gray was a mid-late first roud/early second round pick with Paul. Take away the point guard and neither one gets drafted and they finish last in the conference (or close... i forget). Thats not the only example...its just the best.

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"Engin was a pretty damned good college PG we'd be ranked if we had him this season. quote me on that "

I don't disagree. But is he great? thats my only point. We can win with a solid guy running the point.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 2:27 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 2:25:35 PM

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"ts like you people who think he can't coach only look at the negatives."

I'm watching the games. It is so hard to find some positives. After year 1 there were bunches of positives. Beating UNC and the ACCT run were positives. But the more time Sid has at the helm, the less positives I see.

1/26/2009 2:25:52 PM

1) Horseshoes
2) Hand Grenades
3) BBall Recruiting

1/26/2009 2:26:04 PM

^wrong

1/26/2009 2:27:29 PM

^^^I'm not just talking about this season. I see the garbage on the floor this season and I don't disagree that it looks bad, but i'm talking about every season, not just this one.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 2:28 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 2:28:40 PM

Have we won a game that we should have lost in the last 2 years? Meaning, have we pulled any upsets? Any road victories against good teams? Any home wins against ranked teams? Without looking it up, I can't think of one.

I'm not trying to be overly negative. But you guys that are bashing the ones who don't think Sid is a good coach are really grasping IMO. I'm honestly trying to find some positives. I just can't.

1/26/2009 2:31:54 PM

ummmm, how quick you are to forget that we avenged our loss to New Orleans this season


that should count for something

1/26/2009 2:34:07 PM

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"Have we won a game that we should have lost in the last 2 years? Meaning, have we pulled any upsets? Any road victories against good teams? Any home wins against ranked teams? Without looking it up, I can't think of one. I'm not trying to be overly negative. But you guys that are bashing the ones who don't think Sid is a good coach are really grasping IMO. I'm honestly trying to find some positives. I just can't."

Is that how you measure a good coach? Look at the numbers? Look at the betting lines? look at the recruiting services? But by all means, don't watch the games. Don't evaluate matchups. Don't look at the fact that we're less athletic than almost every team in the ACC, and the bad teams that we lose to generally have something we don't....like BC having a poing guard. Or fuck, for that matter, every game we've lost this year we've had trouble matching up at the 1 and 2.

Ignore that, because it makes you feel better to complain about the coach.

1/26/2009 2:37:39 PM

Everything you said can be rationally blamed on the coach. Why isn't he able to develop better guard play? Why can't he exploit the weakness of other teams and nullify their strengths like every team seemingly does to us? Why have we regressed each year he has been our coach?

I do watch the games. That's why I bring up the numbers b/c what I see on the court is painful to watch. I'm honestly trying to find some positives b/c when I watch this team play, I die a little inside.

1/26/2009 2:42:08 PM

then quit watching man...

And everything you say can rationally be blamed on the players not being any good. I see us playing, and i'm not happy about it, but do you honestly watch the first posession of the BC game where Degand hit Fells in the hands with the ball, see Fells drop it out of bounds and think to yourself "man, thats coach Lowe's fault" ??????

Its shit like that that keeps happening. Its Brandon Costner having a great game, but at a critical moment, he holds the ball out in front of him, gets it slapped away and gives up a fast break dunk to the other team...and does he run back to play D? no, he pouts. The reason I point that out is that Lowe can't do shit about that...because if Costner does it early in a game his ass sits on the bench. Thats Lowe trying to do something about it. Also, would you rather have Costner in at crunch time? or Horner. So if Lowe replaces Costner with Horner, then he's an idiot for letting that dumbass play.


And thats my point. We don't have the personel to be judging him at this point. Are there things I think he can improve on? hell yes. Do I want to give him another year to improve? yes. Do I think he deserves to stay if he cant figure it out by the end of year 5? hell fucking no. And thats all I've been trying to say this whole time.



And as for positives for this season:
Young guys playing hard,
We haven't played a game yet that we weren't at least competitive,
Degand slowly improving,
Johnny Thomas,
Julius Mays as a freshman in spurts,
CJ Williams' Defense,
We didn't lose to NO or ECU lol


[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 2:51 PM. Reason : positives]

1/26/2009 2:48:43 PM

^and javi hit that half court shot against ECU

great play drawn up by who? SIDNEY LOWE.

still credible.

1/26/2009 2:54:23 PM

I'm f'ing slammed at work, but a few things real quick.

ncstatetke:

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"In year #1, Herb got Derek Glasser, who is currently #2 in the PAC10 in A/T ratio and is the floor general of a top-15 team why hasn't Sid found a good/great PG over the span of ~3 years? does it really take 4 years to get a serviceable PG?"

Glasser was a marginal high major prospect at best. He was going to walk on at SC from what I remember and his offer list is underwhelming to say the least. He wasn't a great get by Herb. He has developed farther and faster than our 3* Javi Gonzalez. So if you want to argue that Herb did a better job developing him than Lowe has Javi, then I could see that... but he didn't recruit a great PG in Glasser.

Erios:

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"1) Lowe's left-hand's pinky's fingernail knows more about bball than all of us on TWW combined. If you're going to claim Lowe doesn't know what he's doing, then include a detailed description of WHY you think so. B/c I'm faily sure I haven't seen more than a few SENTENCES from those you making this very bold and most grossly ignorant claim."

I've never really understood this line of thinking. EVERY coach at this level and any professional sport has more experience and knows the ins and outs better than every fan. That doesn't mean he/she is above criticism. Fans want to win and fans have opinions on how to best do that. It would be pretty fucking boring following a team/program if you weren't allowed to form opinions because they "know better than you." Shit Willie Randolph knows baseball better than me on his worst day, but that doesn't mean he should have been absolved from criticism for his sometimes idiotic decisions in the dugout. Same with Chuck Amato here. And Herb.

I don't know who said this, but:

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"Our starting 5 under Herb may have been Wright, Harden, Reynolds, Hummel, and Costner/McCauley if he was still here."

It's ludacris. Hummel and Wright were certainly guys who we could have and probably would have gotten, but I'm pretty sure Reynolds had committed to Oklahoma (was it? I can't remember) before Sendek left and then after Sampson left he decided on Villanova.

Regardless, that point doesn't really matter anyway.

PackMan2003:

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"-With JJ (first round pick) we finished dead fucking last in the conference. (I know someone is going to bitch about the damn point guard crap) -Since when does "in the running" count for anything? We were "in the running" for some top players during Sendek's years too. Maybe we can use "in the running" as a reason to get into the NCAAs. -Where were players like Hodge, Powell, Sherrill, Werner, Wright ranked?"

1) Having a first round pick be successful in the NBA has NO downside. Regardless of how his college team performed, it is both good publicity and shows recruits the current coach can put players in the NBA. Whether or not his draft stock even improved while he was here is irrelevant.

2) I agree. In the running is a moral victory at best. Irrelevant unless we land some of them.

3) There is no doubt we had some good recruiting classes under Herb. Recruiting classes that, on paper, were good right up until he left. It was an oft cited and downright false assertion that his style of offense couldn't attract top flight talent. I always had a problem with those who said that. Right up through his last class, he was able to bring in talent. It was bringing that talent to the next level (the elite level) that he didn't do as of the time he left. Could he have? I think so, yes... but that is very much up in the air.

1/26/2009 2:55:41 PM

The point about the JJ Hickson comment is that with a player of that caliber we finished LAST. We're not talking about 5th or 6th in the ACC and missing the tournament. We're talking LAST place. Go search the previews for the 2007-2008 season and see the expectations for NCSU. The consensus was a top half finish in the ACC with a trip to the NCAAs. Obviously there's a perception that given the team's talent and previous year's results, that there would be some progress.

Last year's team didn't have the lack of talent that occured during the Les Robinson years. Most of the recruits are 3* or better.

Again, this isn't just a under achievement of mediocre results. We had a COMPLETE collapse with the same trend this year.

The more some people justify last year's result, the more I'm convinced that Sidney Lowe:

1) can't coach worth a shit without a PG,
2) can't develop a PG to even be mediocre in the conference,
3) can't maximize the talent on his roster to get out of LAST place in the conference.

1/26/2009 3:17:23 PM

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"The more some people justify last year's result, the more I'm convinced that Sidney Lowe: 1) can't coach worth a shit without a PG, 2) can't develop a PG to even be mediocre in the conference, 3) can't maximize the talent on his roster to get out of LAST place in the conference."

1) Not many coaches can
2) Degand was progressing, got hurt, still recovering and is slowly improving even at less than 100% healthy
3) see 1 and 2, in addition to being unathletic, and having 2 seniors (well, 1 rs jur and 1 sr) that seem to just not give a fuck...who...unfortunately, are our best offensive weapons when they are on. Plus, how do you know we're not getting the most out of our players, and with another coach we'd be getting blown out by 40 every night? There are 2 ways to look at it. I happen to feel that people arguing that he can't coach are just reaching...thats the easy side to take when your team is losing games. but thats just my opinion.

1/26/2009 3:53:28 PM

A little perspective for someone who was here before Lowe started. All of our "star" players were not starters as freshmen (Costner is the exception because he was injured). Mccauley was behind Simmons and Brackman. Fells mopped up a couple games. This is not overwhelming all ACC talent. I am impressed that it took a last second 3pt shot for the #10 team in the nation to beat us. I am impressed that we have not been blown out by any opponent yet (even the #1 team at home). The halftime adjustment to get the ball out of Rices hands was something the Coaching "genius" roy williams couldn't think of or they wouldn't have lost to BC. Lowe is improving. It takes time to build a program from a pretty bare cupboard and Lowe has shown enough coaching savy to make me excited for the future. A rebuilding team needs support from it's fanbase. Give the man a chance, he deserves it for what he has done for this school in the past. Prove we are better fans than the fair weather UNC fans.

1/26/2009 4:32:50 PM

here is a quote from roy about their 2 losses in acc play

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"I think their play was a huge part of it, and our inability to shoot the ball effectively in the second half –"

I find it interesting that he says the players play was a huge part of it....

But of course its not the players fault, they are playing their fannies off, so its gotta be squarely on the coaches shoulders



you people

1/26/2009 4:37:52 PM

Quote :

"he deserves it for what he has done for this school in the past"

1/26/2009 4:40:18 PM

^^^agreed

and for the record, I sat through 3 years of Herb and 1 of Lowe as a student.


^I don't agree with that quote from adder. He deserves the chance because we hired him into a shitty situation and he has shown flashes of being a good coach with an undermanned team...not because he played for us. It didn't stop me from wanting Chuck fired. Lowe didn't create this mess. Chuck did.

[Edited on January 26, 2009 at 4:44 PM. Reason : ]

1/26/2009 4:42:16 PM

^^ do you really believe that?

so many of your posts are sarcastic i have no idea what you actually think in regards to lowe.

1/26/2009 4:49:33 PM

Lowe looked like a pretty good coach with Atsur

Lowe looked crappy without Atsur

Now, It's hard to win games when your point guard turns it over every other time down the court...not to mention doesn't get many assists.

I'll give Lowe a few more years before I whine and complain. If the PG's he recruited become upperclassmen and our guard play still sucks, I'll be worried. I think a guard that just doesn't turn the ball over would do wonders for this team.

1/26/2009 5:18:11 PM

<3 sydney lowe...he's got the passion that we've always wanted in our coach. with time, he'll be a great coach in my opinion.

also, what DID happen to his pinky? i've always wondered

1/26/2009 5:55:10 PM

yeah...I have said before that if we're still having this conversation in 2 years, I'll have to eat shit because I'll be calling for a new coach too. I just haven't found anyone yet that can give a good reason to fire Lowe before AT LEAST the end of his 4th season, and the only reason to do it that early is if we're still struggling like the past 2 years with Lorenzo, Wood, and some more experience in the backcourt. In all honesty, next year should be a solid .500 ACC record, borderline NCAA team regardless of how this season and the rest of recruiting plays out for 09. If that doesn't happen, I'll shut up because we'll need a new coach.

But even so, this season isn't over yet, and as long as I see improvement, I'll be satisfied, win or lose.

1/26/2009 5:55:52 PM

Comparing lowe to amato is absolutely ridiculous. He doesn't parade around like a clown, cry in press conferences, get caught up in recruiting scandals etc. Lowe brought us a Championship what did amato ever get us? UNC's treatment of doh was disgusting and certain fans want to do the same thing? Guess what guys we don't have a roster of MCDAA's he is not underperforming with the talent he has we just don't have that great of talent. I guess he is good enough to trick all of you into believing that we have incredible talent?

1/26/2009 6:15:25 PM