Because you might do xyz in the future, we should consider you potentially dangerous now and outlaw abc.

BRILLIANT!

10/1/2014 7:06:13 PM

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"yeah, i grew up with guns unsecured in our house and in houses of neighbors/family. I think that's a terrible idea with children around, but it's evidence that teaching your kids "don't fuck with guns" and then later how to safely handle them is a legitimate and meaningful layer of protection."

The guy that I use to run with kept a loaded shotgun in the coat closet next do his door at all times. The dude had a 15 year old daughter and a 12 year old son living with him in the house. He said the same thing. I don't get. I would never ever do that, and it frankly sounds insane.

10/2/2014 4:53:46 AM

^ I have a dead cousin that says that's a bad idea. His friend saw it and point it at my cousin with finger on the trigger.

10/2/2014 9:15:59 AM

http://www.cdc.gov/safechild/NAP/background.html#fatal

Quote :

"What is the Burden of Fatal Child Injuries? The number of children dying from unintentional injuries is staggering. In the United States, more than 9,000 children die each year—about 25 deaths a day—from such injuries.4 In 2009 alone, 9,143 U.S. children died from unintentional injuries. Unintentional injuries are the leading cause of death among children 1–19 years of age (Figure 1). They account for nearly 37 percent of all deaths to children after infancy.4 Figure 1. The five leading causes and number of child deaths, by age group, United States, 2007"

I'm having a hard time finding the number of unintentional firearm deaths but various fearmongering articles are putting the number at ~500 a year.

[Edited on October 2, 2014 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

10/2/2014 9:28:26 AM

More dead kids. Thanks pro gun folks.

10/25/2014 10:47:50 AM

This has to be the stupidest gun control PSA ever. The fuck are they thinking suggesting a kid steal their parents' gun(s) and take them to SCHOOL? what the stupid are they thinking?

Quote :

"A startling new anti-gun ad released by a San Francisco-based production company encourages children to commit a series of crimes by stealing their parents’ guns and turning them over to school officials, The Daily Caller reported Monday. Sleeper 13 Productions released the controversial video on Dec. 13. It shows a pouty, young boy wandering into his parents’ bedroom, stealing a handgun out of their dresser drawer and then shoving it into his backpack. The boy then carries what is presumably a loaded weapon into his classroom. After class, he approaches the teacher, takes the gun out of his backpack and slams it onto her desk."

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/22/psa-encourages-kids-to-steal-parents-guns-hand-ove/

12/23/2014 12:18:43 PM

^ seems false flag-y to me.

Too bizarre...

12/23/2014 1:41:14 PM

company seems legit from my googling, it's even listed as a project on the linkedin pages of the founders

12/23/2014 2:06:03 PM

I find it interesting how hypocritical some anti-gun supporters are.

Take a scenario where a 14 year old child is caught with a fire arm on the streets. The typical "wtf was that child doing with a gun?!" debate ensues.

However, lets say that same 14 year old legally used a firearm to defend himself or other people. Nothing is said or questioned as to why a child had access to a firearm in the first place. The outcome was favorable and thus the child's violation is overlooked/accepted.

I've personally heard this argument in person and when I confront the issue of the hypocracy, I'm look at like I'm crazy. If that's the case, then how can they retrieve a firearm to defend themselves or others if they would otherwise not have any access to a firearm? You can't have it both ways.

[Edited on December 23, 2014 at 10:57 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on December 23, 2014 at 10:58 PM. Reason : .]

12/23/2014 10:57:17 PM

2 year old kills mother at Wal-Mart while playing with a loaded gun he took from her purse.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/12/30/toddler-accidentally-shots-and-kills-his-mother-in-idaho-wal-mart-police-say/

Guns don't kill people, toddlers kill people

12/30/2014 10:16:10 PM

oh noes, a dumbass didn't properly secure their weapon and it got them killed

12/30/2014 10:22:11 PM

Too bad that dumbass got hold of a gun and a CC permit.

12/30/2014 11:14:53 PM

Quote :

"I find it interesting how hypocritical some anti-gun supporters are. Take a scenario where a 14 year old child is caught with a fire arm on the streets. The typical "wtf was that child doing with a gun?!" debate ensues. However, lets say that same 14 year old legally used a firearm to defend himself or other people. Nothing is said or questioned as to why a child had access to a firearm in the first place. The outcome was favorable and thus the child's violation is overlooked/accepted. I've personally heard this argument in person and when I confront the issue of the hypocracy, I'm look at like I'm crazy. If that's the case, then how can they retrieve a firearm to defend themselves or others if they would otherwise not have any access to a firearm? You can't have it both ways."

post full of "wat" with the classic, "you can't have it both ways" ending

12/31/2014 12:13:16 AM

wat +1

12/31/2014 9:32:58 AM

sounds like something from "Deep Thoughts"

12/31/2014 1:47:37 PM

Quote :

" I'm look at like I'm crazy"

12/31/2014 2:28:19 PM

http://m.motherjones.com/mixed-media/2015/01/black-man-gun-permit-walmart-florida-vigilante

On the one hand, he could have been a terrorist Gun man, but on the other hand, he should be allowed to look like a terrorist gunman.

1/24/2015 3:26:13 PM

i'm assuming that Fox News and conservative talk radio are making a big deal about this?

1/24/2015 4:44:22 PM

I sat through a presentation this week at work discussing ER visits at our level 1 trauma center in the Triangle, specifically sources, causes and outcomes. One presenter, a pediatric ER trauma surgeon spoke about causes of injury/death for children in NC which obviously necessitates them coming to the ER. They one change they said they would legislate to lower these numbers? Banning kids on ATVs. They said far and away that is most dangerous single thing for kids in NC. Nobody mentioned guns, although this was never a gun topic, merely a discussion on child injuries in the state.

1/25/2015 8:30:33 AM

^ there is a law now. its not a ban though. also interesting it doesnt apply to dirt bikes

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" No one under age 8 may operate an ATV. Children under age 12 may only operate an ATV under 70cc. Children under age 16 may only operate an ATV 90cc or less. Children under age 16 must be supervised by a person at least age 18. Passengers may not be carried unless the ATV was designed to carry passengers. All ATV operators must wear helmet and eye protection. ATV use on public streets and highways is prohibited except to cross. No ATV shall be operated without a lighted headlight and taillight from ½ hour after sunset to ½ hour before sunrise. Effective October 1, 2006, every ATV operator born on or after January 1, 1990, must have an ATV safety certificate. Persons using ATVs for farming, hunting or trapping are exempt from the law’s provisions. "

1/25/2015 10:58:56 AM

texas gun owners re-enact charlie hebdo attack to show how having a gun would be helpful

11 of the 12 people...who knew ahead of time they were going to be attacked..."died." the only survivor lived because she ran away.

Quote :

"“Still got killed, but did better than I thought I would,” said Matthew."

http://kxan.com/2015/01/14/texas-gun-owners-re-enact-charlie-hebdo-massacre/

1/26/2015 2:19:15 PM

This video is three weeks old:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/gunned-down/

1/26/2015 2:37:53 PM

^^ I'd be interested to read more about how their simulation was set up. From what I read, they were playing paintball, and 2 people killed their opponents (who had the advantage of playing defense) nearly every time without being "killed" themselves. It sounds initially like it was 2 vs 12, but after re-reading it, it sounds like 2 vs 1, tested numerous times.

In that scenario, especially with 2 people with MOUT training or even just experienced paintballers against a lone defender with no training, I have no doubt that it would be dramatically one-sided just like this nearly every time. On the flipside, good fucking luck attacking any sort of defensive position when if you're outnumbered 6:1. You are fucked.

In any case, I'm not sure what they're looking to prove, either for or against. It's just way too canned of a scenario to really accurately model something like the Charlie Hebdo shooting one way or another.

1/26/2015 3:35:38 PM

^^then I guess you should have posted it sometime in the 3 weeks before I did

^isn't it obviously clear what they were trying to prove? that some god-fearin, 'murrican patriots could'a stopped them summbich terrorists if they had been there, unlike those faggot frenchies with their berets and shit

[Edited on January 27, 2015 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/27/2015 11:56:17 AM

Sorry for the confusion; our two videos are different, and I was noting that my video is three weeks old.

1/27/2015 1:12:56 PM

^^ well sure. what i meant is that it appears that their poor methodology makes it so meaningless that it doesn't really carry any weight no matter what their results were.

1/27/2015 10:35:13 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/27/us/move-to-ban-a-bullet-adds-to-its-appeal.html?_r=0

BATF wants to ban(without congress passing a new law) AR15 target rounds because they are armor piercing. my understanding is that ALL rounds that could be used for hunting deer can go through bullet proof vest?

seems sketchy to me

[Edited on February 28, 2015 at 7:22 AM. Reason : a]

2/28/2015 7:21:02 AM

this is what you idiot AR15 meat heads get for buying fucking arm braces for your tacti-cool shit to provoke BATF, you idiots caused this

2/28/2015 10:56:09 AM

Clearly that makes sense

2/28/2015 2:13:08 PM

Google Sig brace

2/28/2015 5:07:43 PM

dont give in to the urge to respond to dtownral; ive been making that mistake too often lately

we all just need to remind ourselves he acts this way due to his tragic upbringing at the hands of missionaries in south america

2/28/2015 5:09:01 PM

Oh I know, that is why I didn't dignify his post with anything more than what I did

2/28/2015 6:09:49 PM

Quote :

"my understanding is that ALL rounds that could be used for hunting deer can go through bullet proof vest? "

Almost any rifle round will penetrate body armor. Normal body armor is designed to withstand stuff in the class of common pistol rounds, like 9mm or .45. You need something like the SAPI plates used in the military to withstand almost any rifle round (and even they will only survive a very small # of hits, and I'm not sure would withstand some of the more powerful hunting rounds). AR-15 is on the extremely low end of the power spectrum for rifles.

[Edited on February 28, 2015 at 8:06 PM. Reason : SIG brace was made with the blessing of the BATFE]

2/28/2015 8:06:11 PM

lol who are you guys kidding? obama and idiots like dtownral are the true gun nuts.

"lefties" like you guys sell more guns and ammo than any sportsman/hobbiest could ever buy. guess that leaves the crazies to pick up the slack.

"nice job, assholes."

3/1/2015 9:56:25 PM

hmmm
Is the ATF’s M855 Ban Retaliation for AR Pistol Braces?
http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/02/daniel-zimmerman/atfs-m855-ban-retaliation-ar-pistol-braces/

3/2/2015 8:23:03 AM

not everyone is a spiteful little turd like you, but its not surprising your tiny mind thinks it really boils down to this

3/3/2015 12:45:13 AM

http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015/Bills/Senate/PDF/S708v0.pdf

Quote :

"cle. 22 (b) Except as provided otherwise by G.S. 14-269.4 and federal law, a person who is 23 issued a permit pursuant to this Article may carry a concealed handgun anywhere in the State, 24 including property on which a notice is posted prohibiting the carrying of a concealed handgun, 25 and has the same exemption from all State prohibitions and restrictions regarding the carrying 26 of a concealed handgun that State and local law enforcement officers have when acting in the 27 discharge of their official duties."

i hope this bill passes so i can get a sweet badge

3/30/2015 11:28:27 AM

weird, i didn't realize gun rights trumped property rights in republican ideology.

3/30/2015 12:03:32 PM

I haven't gone into the details of that bill, but it was intended (at least publicly explained) to apply only to local governments which are skirting the state preemption law allowing carrying on all public properties except athletic facilities where formally organized and scheduled events are held (meaning baseball fields, basketball courts, etc. with groups such as youth leagues) Towns were reclassifying nearly any property where any "athletic" activity could take place.

*and i thought the prohibition on athletic facilities only applied during said scheduled activities; but maybe that part didn't make it into the law. I forget. These nuances are what get people needlessly charged with crimes.


And I have a different opinion than most when it comes to privately owned places that are open to the public. I don't believe businesses are people. They shouldn't have the same privacy protections as individual citizens (they should have some, but not the full extent). Their vote shouldn't count more. Etc, etc, etc. Likewise, I don't believe that a place open to the public should really have full use of "private property" rules as these places are really under the public-private umbrella (grocery store != a home). That being said, I think a business's right to prohibit open carry isn't unreasonable, though dumb, IMHO. I think concealed carry should be preempted by state law to allow it in public-private areas. If that isn't workable; then I'd like to see carrying in posted zones decriminalized and let it be a simple tresspassing if the carrier is found carrying in a no carry zone and refuses to leave.

[Edited on March 30, 2015 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

3/30/2015 12:12:18 PM

Quote :

"A person with a homeland security unrestricted concealed handgun permit is prohibited from carrying a concealed handgun in any building housing any court of the General Court of Justice"

I demand to know why our new militia will not be empowered to eliminate terrorist threats in courthouses.

3/30/2015 12:14:22 PM

The training for that "super" permit required simunition training. That could be hard core.

3/30/2015 2:37:47 PM

So this would allow me to concealed carry at work as a state employee, right? If so I would so go for this. Obviously I currently cannot carry at work, and since I bus/walk/bike to work, I have nowhere to lock it up in a vehicle. And quite a few of the places I run errands at have no concealed weapons signs which makes it a further hassle to lock it up in the car. I would be fine with further training if it meant I could get around these limitations legally.

3/30/2015 8:08:48 PM

yeah, you're personal inconveniences are more important than the rights of property owners

3/31/2015 8:18:01 AM

It's funny to imagine gun owners maintaining a spreadsheet of where they can bring their guns. And then consulting it when they run errands. "Oh boy I can carry my gun on this trip" or "oh shoot better leave it in the car"

3/31/2015 8:29:22 AM

Nah; businesses have to be posted, so in theory, that makes it easy to know when you're walking into the store.*

*That's in theory; unfortunately, there's no NC regulation on how a business must post. This makes is nearly impossible in some situations to know if a business is posted. Got a mall with 8 entrances? If it's posted on one, then it applies to all; hope you don't pick the wrong parking lot to enter from!

Seriously, fuck the criminalization of carrying in no-go zones. It's a legal trap.

[Edited on March 31, 2015 at 9:41 AM. Reason : .]

3/31/2015 9:40:27 AM

^^^My point isn't about my personal inconveniences, but my point is to mention places that cater to multiple customers. In my case I am usually going to make a quick pick up. I like getting take out from places like Carrburritos, or pick up some nice beer from Beer Study. If I am just popping in for pick up, I don't see the big deal. They are also bars however, so I totally understand why people would not be happy if I got hammered and had a gun in my pocket. So I don't have an issue with the no booze while carrying rule, I am just pointing out that not everybody goes into a bar or restaurant to get hammered. If I am planning to go out and drink or that comes up while I am out, I lock it up in my car or just leave it at home to begin with. I'm not advocating for that, but I do think its silly that these "gun-free zones" exist where the only people who won't have one are people who are carrying illegally to begin with, so they don't give a fuck about what is posted on a business. Meanwhile I do care, as I don't intend to break any laws.

3/31/2015 1:08:34 PM

I think the "super permit" cuts into the fact that there are privileged classes when it comes to who can carry where.

3/31/2015 2:11:09 PM

I haven't read it all yet but the new law being put forward in our legislature, while having good ideas (allowing cc by DAs, etc) seems unnecessarily loose. I mean forbidding telling LEOs about threats made? Really..

4/29/2015 9:38:37 AM

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"I mean forbidding telling LEOs about threats made? Really.."

I agree it's stupid, but isn't it already a thing? Maybe the bill is just clarifying that? I only say this because it seems every time there is a mass shooting this comes up, the perp was seeing a psychiatrist, and "they can't talk about it."

"He was such a nice boy!" "I can't believe he would do this." "No you can't have my notes and recordings; it's privileged."

Do different doctors have different rules regarding this? Is there already federal legislation that NC is trying to thumb its nose at? Are they just making sure all these offices follow the same rules statewide and possibly sided with the majority of them (i.e., they don't want to talk to cops about their patients)? I have no idea; just thinking out loud.

4/29/2015 10:44:13 AM

they are required to report a person if they are a threat

4/29/2015 11:13:37 AM