I lol'd at the succession of these tweets from Jonathan Jones, one of the kids who writes for the DTH:

"Tennessee fans throwing objects at UNC bench"

"Donte Paige-Moss threw a Gatorade water bottle into the Tennessee stands"

Such a classy bunch.

12/31/2010 12:34:41 AM

^Yet there's a thread on IC about how classless Tenn's fans were for throwing stuff on the field. Of course there's no mention of Paige-Moss joining in. And the name of the thread is "Tennessee = NC State"...

12/31/2010 12:45:43 AM

big 12 has been extremely disappointing this far outside of Ok st.

baylor
missou
now nebraska

12/31/2010 12:53:38 AM

Nebraska shitting the bed hard tonight.

12/31/2010 1:11:51 AM

I'm still confused about UNC/UT.

That play has to be illegal participation since they did not rule it dead before the snap and that's 15 yards.

Does the clock not run on the ready for play on both illegal participation and illegal substitution since the last play was a running play?

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 1:30 AM. Reason : ?]

12/31/2010 1:29:43 AM

That is correct.

It should have been a 15 yard penalty.

12 Players were in formation at the time of the snap...with another 5 running off. That is illegal PARTICIPATION, not illegal substitution

Quote :

"Does the clock not run on the ready for play on both illegal participation and illegal substitution since the last play was a running play? "

No. I originally brought up the same thing, but i was wrong....someone on Packpride looked it up. College rules state that after a sustitution penalty, the clock starts on the snap.

It's a bad rule, will likely be changed now, but it's the rule however stupid. The refs got that part right.

That is precisely why the NFL has the runoff rule...to prevent this shit



There was also an illegal shift at the time of the snap becuase Casey Barth was running towards the line of scrimmage...there was also a few players moving parallel to the line of scrimmage at the same time

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 1:38 AM. Reason : ]

12/31/2010 1:30:45 AM

Fuck carolina



That's the bottom line

12/31/2010 1:37:44 AM

Quote :

"College rules state that after a sustitution penalty, the clock starts on the snap."

I really don't think that's the rule.

With a dead ball substitution penalty (5 yards, whistle blown and flag thrown before snap), the clock starts on the ready-for-play since the last play was a running play.

With a live ball illegal participation penalty (15 yards), the clock would have started on the snap, since the last play was the spike.

Quote :

"someone on Packpride looked it up"

Can you link me to this? B/c I'd really like to know. I thought I knew the rule.


[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 1:41 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2010 1:39:22 AM

This is exactly what the person posted...didn't provide the link. Looks like it was from one of those "Referee Quiz" things. Emphasis thiers, not mine

Quote :

"My instincts on this rule were wrong. This is from the rule book. With seconds remaining in a half and the ball ready for play, Team A quickly lines up and the ball is legally snapped to quarterback A12, who throws the ball forward directly to the ground. Team A’s formation was not legal at the snap. When the ball becomes dead, two seconds show on the game clock. RULING: Illegal formation. Penalty—Five yards from the previous spot. The clock starts on the snap. In my opinion, that is a terrible f***ing rule. You should never be able to stop a running clock without wasting a down or using a timeout."

Granted, re-reading that...what we had wasn't illegal formation, so I don't know....?

I'm confused

We had Illegal Participation so on second thought, I don't think this is relevant

Plz to ignore my previous post


[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 1:46 AM. Reason : ]

12/31/2010 1:43:09 AM

^ That sounds correct since illegal formation is a live ball foul, so the clock will start on the snap since the play resulted in an incomplete pass.

The call on the field was illegal substitution, which is a dead ball foul, meaning the spike should have never occurred. So the clock would start on the ready for play, since the previous play was a run.

The refs could have also called illegal participation, a live ball foul, and the spike would have counted, but the penalty is 15 yards.

12/31/2010 1:59:01 AM

So the way they called it:

Illegal Substitution, 5 yd penalty and the clock SHOULD HAVE started on the ready to play whistle (Which is where they screwed up, becuase the clock was stopped when Barth kicked the field goal)

The correct call was:

Illegal Participation - 15 yard penalty and the clock should start on the SNAP

Am I understanding that correctly?

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 2:04 AM. Reason : ]

12/31/2010 2:03:52 AM

I like the first post

Quote :

"Terrible news for Oregon Masoli is suspended for the entire season after pleading guilty to felony burglary today. They would have been right in the title hunt this year."

12/31/2010 2:09:35 AM

^^ Basically yes.

Quote :

"Approved Ruling 9-1-5 I. Team A, with 12 men on the field of play, snaps at its 40-yard line and throws a complete or incomplete forward pass. RULING: Illegal participation. Penalty—15 yards from the previous spot."

Really, the refs really could have called either one. But either way, there is no way they could have gotten the result of a 5 yard penalty with the clock stopped if the rules had been enforced correctly.

People are saying that the rule sucks, and while they may need some adjustments, they weren't applied correctly to begin with either.

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 2:10 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2010 2:09:54 AM

^^ LOL

Good find

Good call there, Ribs

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 2:11 AM. Reason : ]

12/31/2010 2:10:05 AM

Last 2 minutes of 4th quarter of UNC/UT game...then overtime

12/31/2010 3:24:44 AM

A lot of people grasping at straws for why UNC should've lost in this thread. It really doesn't matter very much.

12/31/2010 6:15:31 AM

I just hate how everyone is saying "Don't blame the officials, it's the rule that needs to be changed. The rules were applied correctly." No they weren't, and it's black and white.

12/31/2010 9:06:32 AM

Could UT have declined the penalty...forcing the clock to start on the live ball placement?

12/31/2010 9:21:04 AM

It looked bad for them at that moment!

Who would have thought Darren Thomas would be that good?

12/31/2010 9:26:22 AM

^^ No. The acceptance of a penalty doesn't have an effect on when the clock starts.

[Edited on December 31, 2010 at 9:28 AM. Reason : .]

12/31/2010 9:28:10 AM

It is somehow fitting that cheating was required for them to win the bowl game.

12/31/2010 11:30:19 AM

USF is giving Clemson the business

12/31/2010 12:42:08 PM

good work parker

12/31/2010 12:43:01 PM

Al Golden on Miami's offense: "We should stick with the running game"

12/31/2010 3:04:57 PM

That was almost an awesome comeback.

12/31/2010 3:23:05 PM

Geez Miami sucks.

Wish we would have getten them instead of VT this year

12/31/2010 3:46:07 PM

Georgia's QB Aaron Murray is garbage, dude has taken 4 sacks during this 2-minute drill drive. He gets happy feet as soon as he finishes his dropback and decides to try and run the ball instead of throw it away. Horrible

12/31/2010 6:50:50 PM

Mike Haywood might be fucked.

12/31/2010 7:21:21 PM

i think some of those parachuting stuffed cows got stuck on the skycam cable

12/31/2010 7:37:36 PM

Greg Reid just killed a man

12/31/2010 7:41:45 PM

hahaha i said the exact same thing

what a fucking hit

12/31/2010 7:42:33 PM

AMBER LAMPS

12/31/2010 7:51:26 PM

Wow, missed opportunity there Ponder.

12/31/2010 8:22:09 PM

once again

lmao @ anyone who thought ponder was a good nfl prospect

12/31/2010 8:23:11 PM

Garcia must have forgot that Christmas was a week ago

12/31/2010 8:29:25 PM

wow, the end of the UNC game. like a textbook case of a ref fuckup costing the game. First, the dude was out of bounds on the catch. his head clearly hit out of bounds. then they fuck up the rules on the 27 men on the field... why the fuck do we have replay if they can't even get it right?

12/31/2010 9:32:02 PM

Not only does the ncaa say they got the ruling on the unc game right, they are instituting a new ridiculous unsportsmanlike conduct rule. Now getting uslc called will wipe the result of the play and assess a 15 yard penalty. So now a ref can decide a clutch touchdown followed by a salute to the fans, like with the kansas state game, will remove the touchdown and take 15 yards. I forsee epic nc state shit in the future.


Its on msn sports, can't link on my phone.

1/1/2011 12:15:04 PM

Enjoyed that FSU/USC game last night. Fuck the gamecocks and their annoying fanbase.

1/1/2011 12:31:18 PM

^^linked for you

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/Top-official-says-controversial-bowl-calls-correct-123110

Quote :

"Next season, if a player draws an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty during the play, the penalty will wipe away the result of the play. For example, if a player high steps or unnecessarily dives into the end zone, the touchdown will be taken away and a 15-yard penalty will be assessed."

looks like the rule change is only on conduct before the player enters the endzone, not celebration penalties. more info on the rule change here:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/portal/ncaahome?WCM_GLOBAL_CONTEXT=/ncaa/NCAA/NCAA+News/NCAA+News+Online/2010/Association-wide/Football+taunting+rule+could+be+tougher+by+2011_02_11_10_NCAA_News

Quote :

"The NCAA Football Rules Committee endorsed a proposal Wednesday that penalizes unsportsmanlike conduct as a live-ball foul beginning in the 2011 season. The change would mean, for example, that if a player makes a taunting gesture to an opponent on the way to scoring a touchdown, the flag would nullify the score and penalize the offending team from the spot of the foul. Penalties for dead-ball misconduct fouls (for example, unsportsmanlike behavior after the player crosses the goal line) would continue to be assessed on the ensuing kickoff or the extra point/two point conversion attempt."

[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 1:03 PM. Reason : quote]

1/1/2011 1:02:23 PM

This Sparty/Bama game looks like it could be a good one

1/1/2011 1:12:50 PM

I just read a stat that Tennessee has lost its last 4 bowl games against the ACC (they have played the ACC 4 times in bowl games since 2003)

GO NITTANY LIONS!! Send Urban Meyer's smug-ass into retirement with a loss! Also, go Spartans, I cant stand Bama and Saban either

[Edited on January 1, 2011 at 1:14 PM. Reason : adsf]

1/1/2011 1:13:28 PM

eh, I'll wait to judge this MSU Bama game until I've seen MSU with the football.

1/1/2011 1:15:07 PM

MSU has to punt on 4th & goal. bet that hasn't happened very often

1/1/2011 2:00:42 PM

i don't know why but im hoping all the rest of the big10/11 teams lose

1/1/2011 2:04:23 PM

some sloppy football being played all over the place currently

1/1/2011 2:05:35 PM

Julio Jones is a damn good football player

1/1/2011 2:23:10 PM

bama is putting the beat down on msu

1/1/2011 2:28:32 PM

helluva throw by the Penn State QB there

1/1/2011 2:28:41 PM

Did anyone seriously think that Bama MSU game would be even close?

1/1/2011 2:33:51 PM

slick play by PSU right there

1/1/2011 2:38:53 PM