^ I think that'll do

11/21/2006 11:25:41 AM

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"Everyone should email ESPN and tell them to use NCSU instead of NCST"

And they will email you back and tell you that NC State themselves requests the use of NCST so people can read it as NC State on the screen instead of NCSU.

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:31 AM. Reason : .]

11/21/2006 11:30:53 AM

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" Quote : "NCSU Total Defense = 9th in the ACC Scoring Defense = 10th in the ACC Rushing Defense = 9th in the ACC Pass Efficiency Defense = 9th in the ACC Turnovers Forced = 12th in the ACC Red Zone Defense = 12th in the ACC great defense" just because I couldn't say it any better."

Wait, so you are taking this years stats (and we all know stats tell perfect stories) and making a claim about his ability? Congrats, you just lost your right to comment for being a stoopid head.

11/21/2006 11:31:10 AM

^

The quote "stats are for losers" seems most appropriate here.

11/21/2006 11:32:58 AM

Do we really want to go through another coaching search right now. I mean who the hell are we going to get better. Cowhers not coming, Chow has said before they he doesnt like to recruit. Also just think how much better our teams would have been with a decent QB. How was chuck suppose to know that Stone would turn out to be a half-ass tight end. I think even jay davis was suppose to be a decent QB, coming out of high school.

11/21/2006 11:33:15 AM

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"stoopid head."

wow

11/21/2006 11:33:59 AM

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"Do we really want to go through another coaching search right now"

Yes

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"I mean who the hell are we going to get better."

just one of many that would be better than the current situation....

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"How was chuck suppose to know that Stone would turn out to be a half-ass tight end."

Because he is the head coach who supposedly researched this guy and offered him a scholarship. And by the way, it isn't just Stone, its every QB post-rivers.

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"I think even jay davis was suppose to be a decent QB, coming out of high school. "

Its amazing what a moron as a head coach can do for you...

11/21/2006 11:38:05 AM

^^, he was never supposed to know he would make a half assed tight end because he should have never been playing at tight end, and I'm so sick of people saying a QB would change all this. P Riv was likely once in a lifetime, you're not going to get someone who had that kind of effect on the team again

11/21/2006 11:38:12 AM

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" Wait, so you are taking this years stats (and we all know stats tell perfect stories) and making a claim about his ability? Congrats, you just lost your right to comment for being a stoopid head."

Have you not watched any of our games? Have you not seen our run defense get destroyed any time a team runs around Tank instead of at him? Have you not seen the linebackers missing coverage assignments? What story is there to tell that those stats are covering up?

11/21/2006 11:40:39 AM

A good OL and a coach to understand the teams weaknesses and work around them (see WFU) will make even an average QB look really good (see Jamie Barnett).

It's sad, but it really boils down to if our OL over the past few years were worth half a shit, we'd be in much better shape. Period.

11/21/2006 11:42:24 AM

^

Who recruited that Oline?

11/21/2006 11:43:13 AM

^^exactly

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 11:45 AM. Reason : .]

11/21/2006 11:45:32 AM

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"Have you not watched any of our games? Have you not seen our run defense get destroyed any time a team runs around Tank instead of at him? Have you not seen the linebackers missing coverage assignments? What story is there to tell that those stats are covering up?"

Again, you are looking at this years team, a team that gave up a long long time ago and drawing out conclusions about the entire tenure and capability of Amato as a DC. Perhaps you completely forgot the 3 first rounders off the defense last year. There is no debating that our D (any teams D for that matter) is going to be sharper the entire game when they aren't off the field for 2 minutes and then back on again when the offense goes 3 and out for the 10th time that game. Is this that difficult of a concept for you? Do you not remember how we stuffed FSU (yea, they suck this year, but still a lot fucking better than UNC) on D when those guys got a chance to rest while the offense was on the field for a long time?

Stop picking out a couple of lackluster games to try and prove a point. You look incompetent and stupid.

11/21/2006 11:45:48 AM

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"And by the way, it isn't just Stone, its every QB post-rivers. "

If every quarterback post-Rivers had an equally capable O-line blocking for them like Rivers had and a Jericho Cotchery to bail them out in desperation plays, we'd be singing an entirely different tune. unfortunately, the only position that Chuck Amato understands on offense is the running back slot.

11/21/2006 11:46:24 AM

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"capymca All American 543 Posts user info edit post ^ Who recruited that Oline? 11/21/2006 11:43:13 AM ssclark All American 3296 Posts user info edit post exactly"

I'm not disagreeing with either of you.

11/21/2006 11:46:32 AM

check again

11/21/2006 11:47:25 AM

A "great defensive coach" can make a great defense out of any group of guys. They are most certainly teams with a lot less talent than us that play much better defense. Maybe if your head wasn't so far up Chuck's ass, you could see that.

And since when does a whole season equal a "couple of lackluster games?"

11/21/2006 11:48:10 AM

I'm guessing the same people who will discount the statistics of this year's defense are the first to point out that WE HAD THE #1 DEFENSE IN THE COUNTRY.



Now, are you saying this based on tough defense, low point totals, defensive struggles, goal line stands, etc

OR

the total number of yards given up by the team divided by number of games played???

11/21/2006 11:52:11 AM

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"if you dick your source over, you wont have access in the future, period. if you dont have access, what use are you to anyone?"

How is asking the question everyone plans to ask dicking over the source? It's a press conference. Of course Media Relations doesn't want to deal with those questions. That's their job. But it's the reporters' jobs to ask it and try.

I know the guy who asked the question at Amato's press conference. His job is not in jeopardy. He was given a pat on the back and a "keep up the good work."

11/21/2006 11:52:28 AM

why did jamesley jean get dismissed?


per that wral report on the previous page

11/21/2006 12:05:35 PM

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"A "great defensive coach" can make a great defense out of any group of guys."

You mean, guys like Johnny Mac and Stephen Tulloch, who were basically unknowns in high school? Is this what you are referring to?

11/21/2006 12:08:50 PM

welcome to last year, please to come back to this year.

11/21/2006 12:11:19 PM

So let me get this straight. You are saying that Amato is a shitty defensive coach based on this years performance. That is what you are saying?

11/21/2006 12:20:46 PM

ddf585, first of all, what im saying is that the QBs we have had since rivers have been so bad that they been moved to different positions. We dont need another rivers to be a better team. We just need someone better than Davis, Stone, and Evans. Hopefully we have that with Burk or Beck. I think you are underestimating the importance of a decent QB.

11/21/2006 12:50:11 PM

Yeah I know what you were saying, but I meant that a qb would not fix all of our problems right now, and it would be extremely difficult to find someone who could elevate the play of those around them like Rivers did.

11/21/2006 12:54:06 PM

would it be unfair to argue that Amato has only had 3 years as head coach since Philip Rivers obviously did the coaching the first 4 years? Let's give the guy a full recruiting class before we talk about firing him.

11/21/2006 1:04:26 PM

^ What?!? No, you're joking right?

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 1:06 PM. Reason : ...]

11/21/2006 1:05:41 PM

^

Oh come on...anyone who watched knew that from about the GT game of his Freshman season that this was PHILIP's team. Amato hired Mazzonne and freaking told him not to touch the offense, it was Philip's offense. The players respected him, and lucky for us Philip respected Amato so things stayed in line. After Philip left, nothing has been the same.

11/21/2006 1:07:36 PM

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"So let me get this straight. You are saying that Amato is a shitty defensive coach based on this years performance. That is what you are saying?"

I never said shitty, you said "great", I argued that he is indeed not "great".

I would call him average, with good recruiting ability.



[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 1:09 PM. Reason : ]

11/21/2006 1:07:46 PM

so...we should hire Phillip Rivers for head coach? GET HIM ON THE PHONE!

but seriously, I think you're trying to say that after rivers left that team that played with him would no longer listen to Amato, which seems suspiciously like a coaching problem to me...

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 1:13 PM. Reason : ....]

11/21/2006 1:11:06 PM

I'm having a hard time figure out who's trolling. I was convinced a few of the pro-Chuck guys were, but now I think they're just stupid.

11/21/2006 1:17:31 PM

just remember

no one cares what any of you think

they care what all of the insanely rich donors think

so if you have access to one of them

convince them to vote your way

11/21/2006 1:26:01 PM

What I'm seriously saying is that laughing at this situation is better than crying over the situation because over the last 22 years I've shed too many tears for this program. I just want to stop crying over this program.

and by tears I mean sad days of losing to Baylor after beating FSU, losing 7 in a row to UNC after winning the previous 6, not being able to look forward to bball season, etc. not like water from eyes which isn't manly

[Edited on November 21, 2006 at 1:31 PM. Reason : manliness]

11/21/2006 1:26:18 PM

WHHHHYYYY MUUUSTTTT IIIII CRRRRRRRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

11/21/2006 1:32:32 PM

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11/21/2006 1:42:00 PM

anyone think he will be announced as being fired Thursday night?

in his press conference he said "we'll weigh you in Thursday night"

11/22/2006 12:48:24 AM

no way it will happen two days before the ecu game

they would have done it on monday

and next monday will likely be bitch davis' introduction press conference

so it probably won't go down then either

11/22/2006 12:49:42 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/752/story/513419.html

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"Don't chuck him now Ned Barnett, Staff Writer After the high point of this N.C. State football season -- and, unbelievably, there was a high point in a 3-8 campaign -- Wolfpack coach Chuck Amato was asked on TV what the big win over Florida State said to his critics. "What critics?" Amato said. "I don't know what you're talking about." Uh, Chuck? Look out the window. There are people with pitchforks and torches closing in on the Murphy Football Center. They're not early tailgaters. After seven seasons, Amato is 25-31 in the ACC. He's 3-4 against UNC. His Pack just lost to a Tar Heels team that was 0-9 this season against Division I-A opponents. Now, Amato has so many critics even he can see them. The question is how to answer them. Amato can start with a win against East Carolina on Saturday, but the biggest questions are no longer his to answer. Athletics director Lee Fowler and the program's top supporters must decide whether they've seen enough, what they're likely to see and what they would be willing to pay to end the Amato era now. For once in this football story of hype and denial -- beginning with former Chancellor Marye Anne Fox going "all in" on football and ending with Amato's wild-eyed "What critics?" -- State's leaders ought to be sensible and realistic. Give Amato another season. Set the bar high. Demand 8-4 and a good bowl. See if Amato can stop blustering and start mustering. Amato has assembled teams that compete in the ACC. The Pack gets beaten, but it rarely gets trounced the way North Carolina teams did under John Bunting (unless, of course, Bunting was coaching against State). Amato can recruit. His defenses are usually stout. But his offense is lost in a wilderness thirsting to find another Rivers. Almost seven years ago to the day, Fox knocked on coach Mike O'Cain's front door and told him 26-30 in the ACC wasn't good enough. When O'Cain's door closed, one opened for Amato. The plan was for him to push State not only beyond mediocre, but also to make the Pack a contender for a national title. "Think like champions," Amato said. But the only football title he has brought to State is: "Program With Most Overblown Claim of Future Greatness." Amato will argue for more time based on his record -- five winning seasons out of seven -- but his issues aren't limited to the outcomes on the field. As an administrator, his coaching staff has been rife with turnover. As an ambassador, he regards the media with paranoia and has created a cartoonish image that invites endless Internet parody despite his shedding the white sunglasses and red shoes. Angry fans say, "Fire him." Fowler, balancing his dwindling reserve of goodwill and State's athletics budget, wonders whether he can afford not to give in. But giving in is not the way to go forward. This isn't a decision to be made by the message boards. It should be made by leaders willing to lead, which is different than appeasing the booing crowd. Giving Amato another season -- an idea that seemed absolute only a month ago -- will not be popular. State fans not only are disappointed, they're angry and embarrassed. They feel duped. Amato stoked the fan base to pay millions of dollars for stadium expansion, then presided over a trip to the bottom of the ACC. Granting him another season will deny those fans vengeance, but it's better to err on the side of fairness and sanity. Maybe next year, the close ones will go the Pack's way and success will generate momentum for the program overall. It's not likely, but Amato deserves the chance to fail or succeed in a season in which he knows the standard and the stakes. It's unfair to bury him under an avalanche of close losses, especially in a season of low expectations. Beyond fairness are practical issues. Who could State hire with a late and sudden start on a search? And buying out the three years remaining on Amato's contract, plus the second year of several assistant coaches, could cost well more than $1 million. Give Amato another season but don't extend his contract. Give him a target to hit. If he fails, State can let one of its own go with a clear conscience and considerable savings. Plus, giving another year to Chuck The Chest may give State time to move up to The Jaw, Bill Cowher. Columnist Ned Barnett can be reached at 829-4555 or nbarnett@newsobserver.com. "

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 8:25 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2006 8:25:25 AM

why would having only 2 losing seasons out of 7 ensure that he keep his job?
i remember our last coach who just 2 losing seasons out of 7, his name was Mike O'Cain, and he got canned at the end of his 7th season... just like chuck probably should... 7 years should be more than enough to see PROGRESS in the program, not an early peak and a gradual downward slide...

11/22/2006 8:32:53 AM

Can't believe this isn't in here:

http://850thebuzz.com/podcasts/112106_amato_lastq.mp3

11/22/2006 8:33:50 AM

^^^ I can deal with that, as long as I know chuck is gone if he fucks up

11/22/2006 9:11:01 AM

yeah, i agree with the ned barnett article. regardless of chuck's performance, we wouldn't find anyone better out there. give him another season, and start putting out feelers now, so a well-planned coaching search can be conducted.

whats the point of throwing the program in neutral for three years with a new, mediocre coach?

11/22/2006 9:20:54 AM

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 9:31 AM. Reason : fff]

11/22/2006 9:30:30 AM

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"nd buying out the three years remaining on Amato's contract, plus the second year of several assistant coaches, could cost well more than $1 million."

thats all it costs to fire them all? i know some rich alumni could easily pay for it

11/22/2006 9:40:17 AM

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"I can deal with that, as long as I know chuck is gone if he fucks up"

He's already fucked up. But you're fine with him staying and going 6-5 next year and making another shitty bowl and we can keep him???

11/22/2006 9:48:56 AM

The ONLY reason he should stay is if weve gotten a call from a certain alum that wants to "come home", but not until 2008...and I seriously doubt that has or will happen.

11/22/2006 10:09:13 AM

Ya, but we have to give ourselves a real shot at that certain alumni. The consensus is that that certain alumni could use some time to rejuvenate if this is his last year in the pros, similar to Butch & Spurrier. Therefore, I do say give Chuck another year.

It would be stupid to fire Chuck now & miss a chance to get that certain someone. That certain someone would be much better long term for this program than anyone else we could get.

After all, that certain alumni did say early in his career that his coaching goals were to win a superbowl & then coach his alma mater. Granted that was many years ago, but still.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2006 10:29:30 AM

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"I seriously doubt that has or will happen"

just remember, we are NC State, when is the last time anything good happened?

11/22/2006 10:31:44 AM

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"It would be stupid to fire Chuck now & miss a chance to get that certain someone."

IT WOULD BE STUPID, to let Chuck stay on an extra year and maybe go 6-5 and not be able to fire him.

IT WOULD BE STUPID, for anyone to think that Chuck would agree to stay on for an extra year knowing he was going to be fired the next year.

11/22/2006 10:31:45 AM

I never said letting him go 6-5 next year would be acceptable. Set the bar high & if makes, then great. If he doesn't, then we likely have a great shot at Cowher.

He wouldn't have a choice about agreeing to stay, other than quit. And if he quits, then we wouldn't have to buy him out.

It would be stupid to think anyone we could get now would be half as good as Cowher.

[Edited on November 22, 2006 at 10:41 AM. Reason : ]

11/22/2006 10:39:38 AM