Saddamizer Suspended 5294 Posts user info edit post |
well there was the whole thing last year with him being temporary boss when Tony got shot
they played that up quite a bit
2 minutes to launch 6/3/2007 8:58:29 PM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
They wont wack Toney
I can see Sil getting wacked.
BUT. If they plan on toney doing any sort of cleverness, he will need Sil at his side.
lets at least hoping for a interesting episode.
Lets hope for that assault rifle tony has to come into play
hahahah that would be awesome
[Edited on June 3, 2007 at 9:04 PM. Reason : sds] 6/3/2007 8:58:44 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
this episode has "the feel" 6/3/2007 9:19:45 PM |
Saddamizer Suspended 5294 Posts user info edit post |
they have shot me, daddy! 6/3/2007 9:34:06 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
bye bobby
a lil symbolism there, no? 6/3/2007 9:41:48 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
bye sil 6/3/2007 9:42:38 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
bye motorcycle guy 6/3/2007 9:43:37 PM |
sublimechica All American 10847 Posts user info edit post |
not sil!
and bobby went out sonny style
[Edited on June 3, 2007 at 9:45 PM. Reason : oh not sil yet] 6/3/2007 9:43:54 PM |
optmusprimer All American 30318 Posts user info edit post |
sonny style?? sonny caught it at a toll booth, id say thats a little different. 6/3/2007 9:51:57 PM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
SIL!!!!!!!!!!!!! 6/3/2007 9:53:16 PM |
jordanfromnj All American 1177 Posts user info edit post |
beu called it 6/3/2007 9:53:38 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
what a fucking good episode 6/3/2007 9:53:42 PM |
Cherokee All American 8264 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "bye motorcycle guy
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hahahah6/3/2007 9:54:04 PM |
AxlBonBach All American 45550 Posts user info edit post |
best episode ever 6/3/2007 9:56:27 PM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
either they get back at phil somehow, OR tony goes to the feds....
feds or death 6/3/2007 9:56:45 PM |
jordanfromnj All American 1177 Posts user info edit post |
that episode went by so fucking fast 6/3/2007 9:57:24 PM |
Wolfmarsh What? 5975 Posts user info edit post |
Wow, that shit was crazy.
I saw the bobby thing coming, but I never thought they would catch sil off guard.
The FBI guy mentioned that he had an informant in brooklyn, I wonder if he will give up phil's location to Tony. 6/3/2007 9:57:36 PM |
thegoodguy All American 1118 Posts user info edit post |
6/3/2007 9:58:50 PM |
BEU All American 12512 Posts user info edit post |
I really wanted Sil to go out with more of a fight 6/3/2007 10:01:57 PM |
Toms House All American 4464 Posts user info edit post |
I wish the all out war would have been given more than two episodes to play out. 6/3/2007 10:04:58 PM |
DZAndrea All American 26939 Posts user info edit post |
Isn't Sil in the hospital?
Did Tony give the order just for Phil, or for his top men also? 6/3/2007 10:07:47 PM |
sublimechica All American 10847 Posts user info edit post |
ok, somewhat sonny style, i was referring to the amount of bullets6/3/2007 10:13:18 PM |
Restricted All American 15537 Posts user info edit post |
I thought T said Sil was in a coma and might not come out. I wish Carmela was still badass, like when she grabbed the AK out of the attic when she thought they were being robbed back in the day. This was hands down, the best Sopranos episode ever. 6/3/2007 10:16:22 PM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
Next week a normal length episode? or is it going to be 2 hours or something.
Bobby was a good guy...
Sil....I knew that was gonna happen.
Next weeks is going to be awesome. 6/3/2007 10:41:52 PM |
AxlBonBach All American 45550 Posts user info edit post |
apparently it's only a one hour episode
which sucks 6/3/2007 10:42:27 PM |
DZAndrea All American 26939 Posts user info edit post |
it's scheduled until 10:05. To make up for the 5 minutes we were cheated out of this week 6/3/2007 10:44:10 PM |
ncWOLFsu Gottfather FTL 12586 Posts user info edit post |
i could see it ending with tony's remaining crew taking out phil and his guys.
i don't really see it ending with them just going and killing tony. i just don't see it. 6/4/2007 1:49:32 AM |
Saddamizer Suspended 5294 Posts user info edit post |
top 10 sopranos mistresses
http://www.maximonline.com/slideshows/index.aspx?imgCollectId=195&src=mln21
number 4 is underrated IMO 6/4/2007 3:40:39 AM |
El Nachó special helper 16370 Posts user info edit post |
http://blog.nj.com/alltv/2007/06/sopranos_rewind_the_blue_comet.html
Quote : | "Sopranos Rewind: The Blue Comet Posted by Alan Sepinwall June 04, 2007 12:10AM Categories: The Sopranos
WARNING: This column contains major plot spoilers for last night's "Sopranos" episode.
So much for anti-climaxes, eh?
Nearly every "Sopranos" season has been structured so that the major carnage takes place in the penultimate episode: Junior trying to hit Tony, Janice shooting Richie, the murder of Adriana, Phil coming out of the closet to kill Vito. So it makes sense that the next-to-last episode ever should be especially high on the body count, from obscure characters like Burt Gervasi (garroted by Silvio for playing both sides of the New York/New Jersey fence) and Phil's mistress (gunned down with her Phil lookalike father in a case of mistaken identity) to major players like Bacala (killed by New York soldiers while contemplating a model train purchase) and Silvio (in a coma, reportedly never to recover, after a shootout in the Bada-Bing parking lot).
And in a bloodless but no less painful bit of business, Dr. Melfi finally dumped Tony as a patient after the loathsome Dr. Kupferberg forced her to recognize the futility of treating a sociopath.
By episode's end, Tony was hiding out with the tatters of his inner circle, clinging to the assault rifle Bobby gave him for his birthday, literally going to the mattresses.
As Agent Harris so presciently put it while discussing the weather with Tony, "End times, huh? Ready for the Rapture?"
It's still possible that we could wind up with the "life goes on" ending I've been speculating on -- the one where the show ends with Tony alive, a free man, in power, and faced with only the punishment of having to be Tony Soprano -- but David Chase (who co-wrote the episode with Matthew Weiner) is going to have to work overtime to get there now.
What a superb, scary, thrilling episode. Bacala's assassination was a little masterpiece of editing (credit to director Alan Taylor and William B. Stich, among others), with the cuts between the hitmen in the security mirror, Bobby studying the shiny Blue Comet model (which provided the episode's title), the horrified figurines from the model train set, the terrified real-life patrons of the hobby shop, and finally Bobby and the train crashing in unison. For a character who was nothing more than a walking fat joke for years, Bacala got maybe the grandest death scene in the show's history.
Especially striking was the parallel between Phil and Kupferberg, two men saying the right things for the wrong reasons.
When Phil lays out all his problems with the way the Jersey crew conducts its business, is he inaccurate about any of it? Especially after we see how badly they bungled the Phil hit? We know Phil's really orchestrating this war because he's mad about his brother and resentful that Tony never did any significant prison time, but again, is he off in any significant way in his characterization of the Jersey crew as a bunch of bumblers?
Kupferberg, meanwhile, is absolutely on to something about Tony using his therapy to become a better criminal instead of a better human. (Though Tony will still have the occasional insight like last episode's bus analogy, the time when Melfi was actually helping his psyche passed a long time ago.) But he's not badgering Melfi to dump Tony -- in the most obnoxious, unprofessional manner possible, turning a dinner party into an intervention and revealing Tony's identity to the other patients as a trivia question -- because he's concerned about her ethical well-being, or about what Tony might be doing to other people thanks to his therapy. Kupferberg's just a snob -- and, like Phil, a bully -- who can't tolerate the thought of a well-heeled colleague having regular interactions with a violent criminal.
And though Kupferberg and Phil would both be repulsed by the thought of working together, they've combined to rob Tony of his most trusted allies. Who's left? Paulie, dismissed as an aging joke earlier in the season? Carmela, still so in denial that the thought of going on the run seemed beyond her? AJ, viewing Bobby's death as just another obstacle in his attempt to maintain?
I've written before that the second half of last season felt like Chase and company were treading water after deciding in mid-stream to do one more season. And much of this season has revealed those episodes as the place-holders they obviously were: "Walk Like a Man" and "Kennedy and Heidi" as grander depictions of Christopher's drug doom spiral than last year's meandering "The Ride" and "Kaisha," Johnny Sack's death in "Stage 5" a better ending than his allocution in "Moe 'N Joe," Phil here bringing about the war that he only threatened in "Kaisha," etc.
There's so much to deal with in the final episode -- one that's scheduled to run the standard hour, give or take some HBO padding at the front or back -- that Chase may have no choice to end on anything other than a "life goes on" note. Again, the way previous seasons were structured, the big fireworks went off in the penultimate episode, while the finale was a time more for reflection (though Big Pussy and Tony B. both died at the ends of seasons). I've gotten a headache trying to outguess Chase, so I'll stop now. One week to go, and we are going to have a lot to talk about. I can't wait.
Some other thoughts on "The Blue Comet":
-His rise through the Family ranks brought Bacala nothing but pain and death in the end, but he was clearly learning from Tony. Besides his willingness to spearhead the hit on Phil, he spent his final moments of life lamenting the way things used to be in the good ol' days when The Blue Comet ran from Manhattan to Atlantic City. All that speech was missing was a gratuitous Gary Cooper reference.
-Which was more cutting: Melfi taking out seven years worth of misgivings on Tony in a single session (and not even explaining the real reason she was dumping him before closing her door on him, literally and figuratively), or Charmaine Bucco's visit to Tony and Carmela's table to passive-aggressively mock them about Meadow and A.J.?
-White shoes equal death? Moments before Johnny Sack passed, Ginny finished cleaning up his favorite pair of white slippers. Doc Santoro was sporting a pair when he got the Moe Greene Special. Burt Gervasi was wearing a pair of white shoes when Sil took him out, and Sil was buffing his own white shoes when Tony gave his orders to reach out to the "cousins" in Naples. On the other hand, Paulie is still vertical, and "Remember When" showed us just how many pairs he has.
-Tony draining the pool seemed, like Carm hiding A.J.'s belts, an obvious method of suicide prevention, but it's one more beloved thing that's been taken from him in these past few weeks.
-When Tony and Sil shadow box after plotting to take out Phil, Mascagni's "Cavalleria Rusticana" -- famously used in "Raging Bull" (and also in "The Godfather Part III") -- is playing.
-The son becomes the father: Not only has A.J. inherited Tony's depression and bottomless capacity for self-pity, but he's now become as fixated on current military events (the PBS Iraq special) as Tony is obsessed with World War II documentaries.
-Where on earth is Tony hiding out? Parts of the house resembled Junior's, but not all of it, and what would Junior be doing with a life-sized cardboard cut-out of Silvio in his living room? Frankly, what would anyone? (EDITED TO ADD: I've been told this wasn't Junior's house, or Livia's, or any place we've seen before; just an anonymous safehouse.)
-Not only was the death toll higher than usual, but so was the amount of collateral damage: the father and the mistress (whose dying words were "They have shot me, Daddy"), the motorcyclist run over in the aftermath of the Bada-Bing shoot-out (as the Bing girls and patrons gaped, perhaps as stand-ins for the people who just watch the show for the whacking?), the hobby shop customers who are going to be permanently scarred, Bobby's family, etc. Chase is making every effort to ensure that we go out with no illusions about who these characters are and the impact they have on the world around them.
-As sorry as I felt for little Nica after watching "Soprano Home Movies," it's quintupled. At least Bobby Jr. and Sophia (now without either biological parent) got to have Bobby and Karen in their lives for part of their formative years, where Nica's entire being is going to be shaped by Janice. (Assuming Janice doesn't hop another bus back to Seattle now that her meal ticket's gone.)
-Remember that baffling "Seven Souls" montage from the beginning of last season? Looks like it's bad luck to be a part of it -- at least, if you're in the Family instead of the family. Bacala (who was, of course, playing with his trains during that montage) joined Vito, Eugene and Ray Curto in the strip club in the sky, leaving Janice, Meadow, A.J. and Carmela alive -- for now.
Alan Sepinwall may be reached at asepinwall@starledger.com " |
6/4/2007 9:18:51 AM |
mrlebowski All American 9310 Posts user info edit post |
when Tony was talking to AJ it sounded as if he was talking like he was already dead.
It was really sad seeing sil and bobby go. I hope Tony and the boys take out a bunch of those new york fucks.
^also, I was thinking the exact same thing when phil was talking about them being a glorified crew, and then seeing them fuck up the hit. As much as I hate Phil, most of what he said was true 6/4/2007 11:58:16 AM |
SipnOnSyzurp All American 8923 Posts user info edit post |
i thought that we would hear a gunshot and see blood splatter onto the Blue Comet, followed by the camera panning to the two shooters...
anyways i think the soprano side has exhausted itself with the deaths, and it's definitely time for a couple of new york to sleep in the last episode; but like the article says, it's not gonna be an all-out warfare...should be quick and early in the episode 6/4/2007 12:05:30 PM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
what if tony gets pinched before he has a chance to pop phil or vice versa? 6/4/2007 12:07:17 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
are we finally gonna get a Pesci cameo next week
let him come in and shoot Tony and Phil or better yet overpower both of them at once and stab them in their necks 6/4/2007 12:45:53 PM |
toemoss All American 2950 Posts user info edit post |
^^well one of the two is gonna happen
[Edited on June 4, 2007 at 12:49 PM. Reason : ^] 6/4/2007 12:49:22 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Phil goes to the deep south for some out of town hired killers" |
Quote : | "The New York New Jersey beef gets squashed thanks to Magic Johnson" | ]6/4/2007 12:51:19 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
nice little recap of the series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DiMeo_Crime_Family 6/4/2007 3:32:16 PM |
Donogh5 All American 971 Posts user info edit post |
Great episode!
It's hard to take Phil seriously since he started doing these ads: http://youtube.com/watch?v=Cc0FrWl_-fA
I think Phil's definitely going to get it. 6/4/2007 3:32:27 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
^haha i hadnt seen those before 6/4/2007 3:54:51 PM |
mootduff All American 1462 Posts user info edit post |
http://www.amazon.com/Guys-Guide-Being-Mans-Man/dp/0425208761 6/4/2007 7:15:34 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
^he was on the Colbert Report talking about that book a number of months back...I think I still have it on DVR
6/4/2007 7:17:42 PM |
mbguess shoegazer 2953 Posts user info edit post |
wikipedia claims the final episode is 61 minutes long 6/5/2007 12:13:00 AM |
3 of 11 All American 6276 Posts user info edit post |
You know as much as y'all hate Phil, just think what you would be doing if your younger brother was shot dead while you watched? (its generally accepted you don't kill family members, unless they are mistresses/whores).
Even more so, think about who these guys are... Vito shooting an innocent, Bobby popping that guy in the laundry, and Sil shooting Adriana in cold blood. Death is a pretty fitting punishment all things considered.
[Edited on June 5, 2007 at 12:31 AM. Reason : ] 6/5/2007 12:30:50 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
yeah but Tony Blundetto killed Phil's brother...Tony Blundetto was killed for that
I like Frank Vincent, but Phil is just an asshole 6/5/2007 2:44:30 AM |
themoney All American 574 Posts user info edit post |
After "Blue Comet" ended, something came to my head and I was wondering if anyone got the same feeling. I think it's plausible Tony would commit suicide in the last episode.
David Chase has said from the beginning that he has known how the show would end from Day One. Mental health has always been omnipresent w/ all the characters, esp. now this season with AJ. If AJ, who has suicidal tendencies, "inherrited" his depression from his father, why wouldn't the father have those tendencies too?
Earlier in the season, Tony and Melfi have a conversation where he calls AJ's suicide attempt "the coward's way out", which could serve as a possible set-up. Maybe the RICO case comes up, he's lost his best earners (and friends), along with his "outlet" w/ Melfi, his family life is a wreck. Who would want to live the life of not knowing whether or not you would get whacked or arrested every second?
In any rate, I think the possibility of Tony's death is pretty strong based on foreshadowing with Rosalie (sp?) looking through pictures of her trip to Europe with Carm when it was "just the two of them" and no mafia husbands in their lives. 6/5/2007 2:53:54 PM |
rwbrantl Veteran 279 Posts user info edit post |
hmm, pretty good prediction themoney. i think that T is to self-absorbed to actually off himself though. kinda like AJ, hes a miserable fuck, but he won't actually go through with it. I think he's more likeley to rat out his friends, and even more like to rat out his enemies in the final ep. he'll get a good deal from the gov't because of the terrorism, and the amount of info he has to offer 6/5/2007 3:28:40 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
I think Tony seems to hardnosed and old school to "take the coward's way out"
but who knows 6/5/2007 3:31:16 PM |
Mr E Nigma All American 5450 Posts user info edit post |
I bet someone tips off to Tony where Phil is hiding.
He and Paulie go there and wait for him, and wack him themselves.
In the crossfire, Tony or Phil gets hit. One or both of them will die. 6/5/2007 3:51:09 PM |
jwb9984 All American 14039 Posts user info edit post |
god that's gay.
that better not happen 6/5/2007 4:00:02 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148450 Posts user info edit post |
Joe
Pesci
cameo 6/5/2007 4:06:41 PM |
elkaybie All American 39626 Posts user info edit post |
http://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/06/sopranos-mondays-season-6-ep-20-blue.html
That blog from the other guy, Matt Zoller Seitz 6/5/2007 4:09:56 PM |