Maybe the whole thing was rigged?

Was he really even hit by the that taser?

9/18/2007 10:56:06 PM

Quote :

"i think its sad how many people in this thread think the students outrage was legit and not a stunt for the cameras "

it can't be that both are true?

that pretty much sums up your view on everything under the sun, doesn't it?

everything is cut and dry, black and white, either right or wrong. no in between

that's just the impression i get. of course, its the internet, so i try to avoid making judgments like that. hopefully i'm wrong

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 10:59 PM. Reason : ,]

9/18/2007 10:56:21 PM

so you're just ignoring the fact that this guy had a history of videotaping pranks to show on his website? seemed to me from some of the reactions in the audience that some of the other students had an idea of what he was up to

if everything ISNT cut and dry then how come you wont recognize any blame to the student? how come its ALL the cops and organizers faults?

and i'm sure you dont believe this cause an evil cop said it

Quote :

"An officer, however, said in the police report that Meyer's "demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight" and that he was "laughing" and "lighthearted" on the way to jail."

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:01 PM. Reason : .]

9/18/2007 10:59:54 PM

Quote :

"if everything ISNT cut and dry then how come you wont recognize any blame to the student? how come its ALL the cops and organizers faults?"

sigh

Quote :

"^clearly everyone is at fault. from the organizers who wouldn't let the kid speak and cut off his mic, to the cops who were grabbing and trying to forcefully remove him when he hadn't done anything, and the kid himself for eventually resisting the officers (though i still think their trying to escort him out / arrest him was bullshit)."

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:02 PM. Reason : but anyway, i gotta peace out]

9/18/2007 11:01:09 PM

you dont put any fault on him until he resists

i guess if he was a little more courteous earlier they wouldve still treated him like that?

^and that quote proves you clearly put most of the blame on the cops and organizers

you say the organizers wouldnt let him speak, when in reality he got more time than anyone else with a question

you say the cops were trying to remove him when he "hadn't done anything"

and when you finally concede a fraction of blame to the kid, you clarify it by saying its bullshit

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/18/2007 11:01:55 PM

I know he has a history of recording pranks.

I agree many of his protests sounded rehearsed.

9/18/2007 11:02:58 PM

this is what you said

Quote :

"if everything ISNT cut and dry then how come you wont recognize any blame to the student? how come its ALL the cops and organizers faults?"

you were wrong. it's okay to be wrong

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:03 PM. Reason : im out]

9/18/2007 11:03:36 PM

you said the student was to blame

and then in quotes you said you thought it was bullshit

its obvious to everyone who's out of their youthful rebellion stage what you meant

this is basically what you said:

CLEARLY EVERYONE IS AT FAULT

1. THE ORGANIZERS
2. THE COPS
3. the student (NOT REALLY)

how are you blaming the kid when you say "the kid himself...though i still think it was bullshit"

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:08 PM. Reason : ???]

9/18/2007 11:04:31 PM

summary for page 8:

Quote :

"this thread blew up today. i didn't read any of it. summary plz?"

1)one side thinks the kid shouldn't have been removed for going over his allotted time, and that he had a right to resist and should not have been tazed.

2)other side thinks the kid was a douchebag who broke the rules and should have left when asked, then the kid resisted esculating the use of arrest and eventually force.

In summary the kid was being a cockbag, but he should have just been removed w/o the taze even if that meant arresting him and carrying him out.



[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:07 PM. Reason : .]

9/18/2007 11:05:34 PM

anybody know if there are any threads on any Florida messageboards? I'd be interested to see what UF students are saying about it

9/18/2007 11:12:06 PM

^^ great summary of what is going on. I however would like to see this thread hit atleast 10 pages.

9/18/2007 11:13:40 PM

^^ I think the police brutality protests on their campus today should give you an idea how they feel about it

9/18/2007 11:16:41 PM

i think jwb9984 needs to go back to page 1 and read some of the responses, a lot of the shit he's spewing has already been addressed.

9/18/2007 11:27:23 PM

^^some of them sure, just like this thread

Kerry himself said dude jumped to the front of the line

Quote :

""In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way," he said in the statement. "I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. "

terp can i ask you a question...if you, as a black man, had done what the student did, do you think you wouldve gotten it worse from those police?

if so, and knowing that beforehand, would you resist arrest throughout the ordeal in the first place?

[Edited on September 18, 2007 at 11:33 PM. Reason : /]

9/18/2007 11:30:06 PM

Quote :

"I'd be interested to see what UF students are saying about it"

An extremely liberal school, but they seemed ok with it until he got tazed

9/18/2007 11:59:12 PM

Regardless of whether the guy was involved in some kind of prank or setup, the arrest was not handled smoothly. Having some experience with takedowns, I observed the following:

1. A swarm was not initiated. There were enough officers present to swarm the guy and take him down smoothly--he couldn't have held everybody's weight.

2. While a taser certainly represented less of a non-lethal risk to bystanders in the auditorium than, say, OC spray, once the suspect was cuffed, a taser simply was not necessary in this situation. Wrist-control techniques and arm-bar come-alongs have worked well for many years in forcing unwilling prisoners to comply, and they would have worked here, too.

3. This incident never should have happened. What's the harm? The guy spoke a little too long? Fuck him--call SWAT.

9/19/2007 12:57:01 AM

just watched news and i cant beleive the cops are on fucking leave. this guy should be kicked out of the school

9/19/2007 6:21:46 AM

the kid is a douche, and the situation was retarded.

I think both parties are wrong. the cops should not have arrested him, especially when kerry told everyone to let the kid speak, however, the kid was in the wrong when he went all "OMFG A COP TOUCHED ME" batshit crazy.

I do think there was too much force used by the cops, there were like 6 of them on top of him with him handcuffed and on the ground. they could have just dragged his ass outta there instead of tasing him.

I do think they should have the douch finish his line of questioning, then escort him out if that was their desire.

I didn't see any reason for the cops to arrest him in the first place. however once he went all crazy, sure, resisting arrest.


public forum, douche had questions, kerry said he'd answer them, don't see why this even happened in the first place.

the kid is probably going to get rich as fuck for an illegal arrest or something like that.

9/19/2007 6:32:57 AM

haha i just saw more of the video on cnn, this kid so deserved it

9/19/2007 6:50:51 AM

It amazes me that after 8 pages no one realizes that

a) He wasn't being arrested at first, he was just being thrown out of the event
b) He'd done more than just run long on his question time

9/19/2007 7:15:34 AM

Quote :

"I don't like John Kerry and I don't agree with the shit that guy was saying, but he has a right to fucking say it. I'm sick and fucking tired of these fucking trigger-happy assholes taser-ing everything in sight, including a father holding his baby, senior citizens, and school children. That incident was nothing more than assault under the color of authority. If I'm exercising my free speech rights and they try to do that shit to me, I'm going to break a couple of fucking jaws and knock some goddamned teeth out. Fucking jack-booted thugs--I hope they get Nifong-ed. PS: Many cops are not assholes."

9/19/2007 7:24:34 AM

^^ he didn't run long. The session had ended before he angrily marched towards Kerry demanding his question be heard. They allowed it. When he woudln't finish his question, they cut his mic.

This shit was clearly a stunt:

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS


"You did nothing wrong" the student told the cops when the cameras weren't present. He even inquired if cameras would be at the jail for his booking. Cops reported that he would only begin to flail his arms and act boisterous when a camera was present. When they took him downstairs of the building where the event was taking place, he was calm and collected. When cameras came downstairs, he resumed his scene.

This guys needs to go to jail for a while.

And one of the videos was recorded using his own camera...

No he didn't plan this at all......

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 8:32 AM. Reason : .]

9/19/2007 8:31:29 AM

http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS

Latest, implies the kid was playing it up for the cameras. No shit

As for terpballs stance that the florida students were in an uproar and had a march, well 200 of the schools 50+ k students did the march. Thats .4 percent. Certainly a statement, just not the one you were hoping for big fella.

9/19/2007 8:33:48 AM

^ haha, someone else reads drudge.

9/19/2007 8:34:40 AM

Something people seem to be missing quite a bit:

The kid was not in handcuffs until after he had been tasered. The whole purpose of tasering him was to stun him into compliance so that he could be handcuffed.

9/19/2007 9:39:26 AM

Quote :

"big fella"

Fuck you faggot - don't call me big fella. And just because only .4% marched doesn't mean others didn't feel the same way. With most causes, less that .4% of the advocates march, but i'm not surprised you wouldn't pick up on something like that. You seem like a pretty stupid person

and ^ 1 of his hands was already cuffed when tazered - that's what the news said this morning

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 9:50 AM. Reason : ]

9/19/2007 9:48:44 AM

^no it doesnt big fella, It means that 99.6% of them didnt give a shit enough to march. Surprised you didnt pick up on that, wait..no im not.

Faggot? Can you think of another insult? or are you content with providing merit with the bell curve study? LOL, you see, thats a good cut.

Terp, I dont know you, and dont really find you that intelligent. The reason is not because of your views, however warped, its the fact that you turn to insults whenever someone disagrees with you. I only rub back bc I think you actually get pissed off over this stuff.

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 9:59 AM. Reason : too many insults, had to remove some]

9/19/2007 9:58:45 AM

fuck that fratastic douche

hey guys im gonna barge to the front of the line and act like a dick and then run around like some faggot on amphetamines

9/19/2007 10:03:52 AM

I'm not pissed, I just don't like when some random fag on the internet calls me "big fella"

Keep the homo to yourself dude. I don't care if you're gay - don't direct you gayness at me.

And I know not everyone who thought the cops were out of line marched. SOME PEOPLE JUST DON'T MARCH

It isn't odd for less than 1% of any population to march advocating a cause that the majority side with.

9/19/2007 10:06:55 AM

^well the difference I think is these arent workers, they are students. Its not like they are cutting work. Students, typically, LOVE events like this and are usually more passionate about such causes.

The guy was an idiot and didnt cooperate with the authorities. He admits they didnt do anything wrong, they got him undercontrol. Can we please stop acting like being tasered is like shooting your brains out, or getting beat down with clubs.

PS. not gay, actually married. LOL

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 10:13 AM. Reason : .]

9/19/2007 10:12:22 AM

Quote :

"Students, typically, LOVE events like this and are usually more passionate about such causes."

lol - I can see what type of student you were. You were the guy who never got an invite to a party, and got locked out of "the room" where all the cool kids were doing their cool kid things.

Those kids were probably smoking weed in their dorms, sittin around like "damn, can't believe they tasered that guy"

9/19/2007 10:14:54 AM

Quote :

"By the way thank GOD Kerry wasn't elected president, he had no clue as to handle that situation.. he was like a deer in headlights ... imagine if he had to make a tough decision"

??? Imagine how Dubya would have handled that situation

I'm not all into politics or anything, but anyone can see when a person lacks presence, tact, and leadership qualities. I'm not saying Kerry is better or vice versa, but Bush's idiotic antics are all over the media every day

9/19/2007 10:32:59 AM

Damn terpball, why are you so up-in-arms about this?


(fuck that guy)

9/19/2007 10:35:43 AM

i bet Dubya would've been louder and less monotone during the whole incident than John "Boring as Shit" Kerry

although dude wouldve gotten it worse from secret service, but thats assuming W is president when it happens

9/19/2007 10:36:37 AM

Quote :

"Damn terpball, why are you so up-in-arms about this? (fuck that guy) "

I'm not up-in-arms, I just don't like cops that act like they can tazer people over stupid shit like this.

9/19/2007 10:43:08 AM

it was a setup. Given that, I wish they had tasered him twice.

9/19/2007 10:44:26 AM

i dont like faggot fratboys that ruin a public event for every other person there because they think they are so important and special

9/19/2007 10:45:51 AM

Neither do I, but I also don't think cops should tazer them unless they really need to. Honestly, they shouldn't have put their fucking hands on him before asking him to leave. Fuck that.

9/19/2007 10:48:40 AM

i just think maybe if that kid had gotten a shred of discipline when he was growing up he wouldnt have have been such an asshole throughout the entire ordeal, before the cops ever even stepped in

either way i dont really care, doesnt affect me at all

9/19/2007 10:55:54 AM

Woman in wheelchair tasered to death:
http://www.wftv.com/news/14148501/detail.html

Amnesty International condemns the Kerry speech incident:
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/news_details.asp?NewsID=17450


[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 12:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/19/2007 12:41:12 PM

she was an armed psychopath tho

9/19/2007 12:46:31 PM

...in a wheelchair.

9/19/2007 12:48:16 PM

they didnt do enough at VT

they did too much at UF

lose/lose

9/19/2007 12:54:20 PM

Whether or not he planned the event beforehand is irrelevant, because it had no bearing on how the police handled the situation.

9/19/2007 12:55:22 PM

Quote :

"and ^ 1 of his hands was already cuffed when tazered - that's what the news said this morning "

Even worse then. Now he essentialy has a weapon. And if you don't think it's dangerous, try swinging a handcuff at someone and see if they take the hit.

9/19/2007 12:56:28 PM

lol, are you serious?

You don't think those 5 cops could have handled the situation without the taser?

They should all be fucking fired, or re-trained then

9/19/2007 12:59:54 PM

im a big tuff frat guy, i'm gonna resist 6 cops cause i can take them cause im so tuff

9/19/2007 1:17:16 PM

I'm a douche bag cop, i am scared of this tuff frat guy who I grabbed without cause - when he asked John Kerry a question that John Kerry said he was going to answer. Because I'm ill-trained, and just a douche at heart (being a cop), i'll taser him. Too bad me and my cop buddies can't handle a simple situation and made it national news, probably just what this kid wanted. I should go end my life now because I'm a pathetic cop.

[Edited on September 19, 2007 at 1:24 PM. Reason : wanted]

9/19/2007 1:24:24 PM

Cook the hippie

9/19/2007 1:24:49 PM

so both the student and the cops were "douches at heart"

sounds like blame is equal

so then you look at who showed the first douche tendencies

clearly it was the student

i rest my case

9/19/2007 1:25:34 PM