Quote :

"now he's in the shadows of UCLA and Washington State"

There is only one shadow in the Pac-10...and that's UCLA. Even Arizona can't be considered close to a "Duke/UNC" type anymore. And with UCLA, Herb doesn't have to directly recruit against them.

I'll never disagree that NC State isn't a good coaching opportunity...but I'll be damned if it isn't a tough one.

2/1/2008 1:38:48 PM

Tough to be a fan there, too

2/1/2008 1:48:14 PM

^^It'll be USC and UCLA next year... Herb will get damn good recruits that don't fit in at USC, UCLA, or AZ. He pulled his best recruit Harden right out of LA.

ASU is within 400 miles of most of Southern California and only 60 miles from Tucson. There's a lot of scraps....

[Edited on February 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM. Reason : ..]

2/1/2008 1:51:13 PM

Quote :

"It'll be USC and UCLA next year"

I guess what I meant was there there is only one constant shadow in the pac-10. And even UCLA looked to be losing that "shadow" a few years ago under Lavin.

Duke and UNC will ALWAYS be big shadows in the ACC. I use to think they could take a prolonged dive with the retirement of a big coach and a shitty coaching hire. But they are too established for even that to happen (see: Doherty). It will at least be interesting to see what happens when K retires...but I don't expect a dropoff for longer than maybe 2 years...and by dropoff I mean not in the top 15.

To be within 30 miles of both of these schools is just ridiculous.

2/1/2008 3:15:06 PM

i just meant THIS SEASON he was under the shadow of the Bruins and Cougars but yeah the Pac-10 will always be UCLA's conference

2/1/2008 3:20:11 PM

It won't happen to UCLA again either. I mentioned USC because they have some sick recruits next year....I think recruit #2 is USC and #3 is UCLA. UCLA was 10-19 in Howland's first year and he has gotten measurably better.

2/1/2008 3:22:22 PM

I'm sure Herb will get some good recruits as well, and then ruin their basketball futures by confining their potential to his Princeton style offense

2/1/2008 3:31:24 PM

Not sure if anyone really cares, but if you haven't seen a Kevin Love outlet pass, here it is an example. There are over a dozen on Youtube. Ball lands past the free throw line from opposite baseline. On the Oregon State board, they said he practiced this pass in warmups and he made one, there were hundreds who saw it but it wasn't on camera.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc277/vidman13/?action=view¤t=lovepass.flv

[Edited on February 1, 2008 at 3:36 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2008 3:36:05 PM

season's over

2/3/2008 10:47:44 AM

14-7 is hardly over. In fact, that's our record right now.

2/4/2008 1:12:13 AM

Quote :

"On the Oregon State board, they said he practiced this pass in warmups and he made one, there were hundreds who saw it but it wasn't on camera."

do you mean made a basket? as in, on accident?

2/4/2008 1:16:40 AM

According to SI.com, ASU plays Arizona twice in a weekend. That rivalry must be HARDCORE.

Quote :

"Sat. Feb. 09 1:00 p.m. ET at Arizona Sun. Feb. 10 2:30 p.m. ET at Arizona Thu. Feb. 14 10:30 p.m. ET Stanford Sat. Feb. 16 6:00 p.m. ET California Thu. Feb. 21 9:00 p.m. ET at Washington State Sat. Feb. 23 6:00 p.m. ET at Washington Thu. Feb. 28 10:30 p.m. ET UCLA Sat. Mar. 01 3:00 p.m. ET USC Thu. Mar. 06 8:30 p.m. ET at Oregon Sat. Mar. 08 2:00 p.m. ET at Oregon State "

2/4/2008 1:18:19 AM

^^ On gameday Saturday Digger said he witnessed it. A couple press guys wanted to see if he throw it over the backboard. He banked it in. Digger said other guys/former players tried it and the furthest anyone got to was the three point line

2/4/2008 11:47:26 AM

14-2
14-3
14-4
14-5
14-6
14-7

its funny, it seems like Herb's current 5 game losing streak seems to coincide with all the State haters on the Whiner Line and places like that who started hyping up Herb and saying 'Hey State fans, I bet you wish you still had Herb'...and then his whole team begins to fall apart

2/4/2008 11:49:14 AM

they're really showing their lack of depth

although Harden keeps pouring in 20+ points, he has been in foul trouble during the losing streak. when he and Pendergraph have to come out with 3 and 4 fouls early in the 2nd half, they go on their big time scoring droughts

2/4/2008 12:05:49 PM

i want to say they've scored more than 60 points in just 1 of their last 5 games...i havent been watching any arizona state games, just some highlights here and there, but we are all familiar enough with herb's system to know that if the outside shots arent falling, it could be a long game

2/4/2008 12:07:43 PM

so why are they playing arizona twice this weekend?

2/4/2008 2:38:51 PM

Quote :

"rwoody All American 16475 Posts user info edit post i hate to say b/c i love herb, but everyone who watched herb here knew this loss was coming. this was a typical herb "get ranked just inside the top 25 then immediately lose" loss 1/20/2008 5:28:42 PM"

2/4/2008 10:16:31 PM

anybody know of any Arizona State basketball messageboards? I wonder what the general fan reaction has been to their 5 game skid...I'd imagine some people are already sick of him but most fans probably haven't seen the typical choke job enough times yet

2/6/2008 11:00:56 AM

I don't think the fan base really cares about BBall all that much at ASU.

2/6/2008 11:03:54 AM

^^
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=43#s=43&f=1681

[Edited on February 6, 2008 at 11:04 AM. Reason : sdf]

2/6/2008 11:03:58 AM

^^^from what i have noticed, when the season started, they were sucking herb's dick (talking bout becoming "herb-ivores" and shit) but now alot of them are calling for his sacking... about what he got on here

2/6/2008 12:25:19 PM

I think there fan base still likes Herb, they are looking down the road and not focusing on this season.

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"First off herb is not missing wide open shots. Herb is not missing defensive assignments. Herb is not the one giving precious little off the bench. Herb cannot infuse athleticism into players that lack it. Herb cannot "grow" his players taller. Herb cannot grab rebounds. Herb cannot get into foul trouble. So untill herb can magically do that i say stick a sock in it pack fan. The fact that you seem to think that herb can do that and is soley responsible for everything that happens ON COURT could be why your program sucks right now."

2/6/2008 12:36:39 PM

Quote :

"herb is not missing wide open shots. Herb is not missing defensive assignments. Herb is not the one giving precious little off the bench. Herb cannot infuse athleticism into players that lack it. Herb cannot "grow" his players taller. Herb cannot grab rebounds. Herb cannot get into foul trouble."

Herb cannot recruit players who can hit wide open shots. Herb cannot coach defensive assignments. Herb cannot recruit any decent bench players. Herb cannot recruit athletic players. Herb cannot "recruit" taller players. In fact he usually has them play outside. Herb cannot recruit rebounders. If you dare to rebound you will be benched. Herb cannot instill the discipline to keep his players out of foul trouble

etc

i like how theres somebody on there named NorCarAlum

a Tarheel fan going to an Arizona State messageboard to talk shit to NC State fans who are on the ASU site to talk shit about Herb...wow that makes my head hurt

2/6/2008 12:52:28 PM

In all honestly, that sounds exactly like the posts some people were making here after year 10.

2/6/2008 1:10:41 PM

Quote :

"i went to n.c. state and herb is the man. he could coach circles around sidney lowe."

2/6/2008 1:37:15 PM

^ Sendek circles ?

2/6/2008 1:43:41 PM

3 point perimeter circles.

2/6/2008 1:51:22 PM

they are playing a pretty good second half against arizona

2/10/2008 4:04:27 PM

now they are in a patented scoring drought

2/10/2008 4:16:32 PM

Bayless is sick.. 36 points out of UA's 52...

[Edited on February 10, 2008 at 4:22 PM. Reason : 38 for Bayless now... and ASU wins]

[Edited on February 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM. Reason : lol at daytight compartments]

2/10/2008 4:19:59 PM

swept their in state rival


hahaha classic:

"we're very present-minded...... we try to live in day-tight compartments"

[Edited on February 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM. Reason : .]

2/10/2008 4:24:21 PM

LOL...daytight compartments. Same herbisms, different location.

2/10/2008 4:28:41 PM

ho hum

a sweep over a mediocre team

no big deal

2/10/2008 4:54:13 PM

Quote :

"I do not consider a 20-25 ft 3 pointer hoisted in desperation as the shot clock is about to expire an open look. That is what this offense produces too many times. This offense blows and unless you have 50% 3 point shooting it will produce 40-50 points a game. Three times yesterday at crucial points of the game the offense was nothing more than having 4 guys standing, not moving, just standing at the 3 point line and Jeff standing with his back to the basket at the FT line. What kind of offense is that? I am worried the NCST guys are right, this offense will cost us more games that it will win us."

hahahaha eerily familiar

2/10/2008 5:00:27 PM

why are they complaining? he's better than the last guy they had.

2/10/2008 5:03:45 PM

opening conf play 4-0 instantly spoiled them

2/10/2008 5:07:19 PM

ho hum

first sweep of the Wildcats since 1995

2/10/2008 5:18:38 PM

Quote :

"I do not consider a 20-25 ft 3 pointer hoisted in desperation as the shot clock is about to expire an open look. That is what this offense produces too many times. This offense blows and unless you have 50% 3 point shooting it will produce 40-50 points a game. Three times yesterday at crucial points of the game the offense was nothing more than having 4 guys standing, not moving, just standing at the 3 point line and Jeff standing with his back to the basket at the FT line. What kind of offense is that? I am worried the NCST guys are right, this offense will cost us more games that it will win us."

HAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

2/10/2008 5:51:57 PM

obviously posted by somebody from PrickPride

2/10/2008 6:04:44 PM

Quote :

"What kind of offense is that? I am worried the NCST guys are right, this offense will cost us more games that it will win us."

lol, that was a good read.

2/10/2008 6:20:58 PM

oh boy, 5 wins away from a tourney bid

2/10/2008 10:04:45 PM

no one doubts herb's ability to make the tourney.

2/10/2008 10:50:43 PM

what's better?

being a preseason top-25 (and not making the NCAA's )

or (being picked to finish 9th out of a 10 team conference) making the tourney

2/10/2008 11:54:57 PM

sidney lowe being a bad coach does not make herb a good coach.

fact.

2/11/2008 12:07:04 AM

as a fan of both programs, I was asking a serious question

just wanted your opinion

2/11/2008 12:41:13 AM

ok as an honest answer, since we're clearly talking about sidney lowe vs. herb sendek, they're both just as bad to me.

making the tourney every year and doing nothing is nothing to hang your hat on. neither is a preseason ranking that you don't do anything w/.

i guess i should say that at least making the tourney is better, but in all honesty neither prospects excite me. the tourney isn't fun when you know your team isn't going to so much as make a splash.

2/11/2008 12:47:23 AM

Trying out new guys until you find one that works better than sticking with the same old guy who isn't going to get better.

If sid doesn't work out and still fields teams that make the same mistakes, we fire him in 3 years and move on.

2/11/2008 12:55:43 AM

Quote :

"Trying out new guys until you find one that works better than sticking with the same old guy who isn't going to get better. If sid doesn't work out and still fields teams that make the same mistakes, we fire him in 3 years and move on."

Yeah cause that's worked so well for everyone else in the ACC.

2/11/2008 12:58:51 AM

Jeff Pendergraph was named PAC10 player of the week


with that, it makes 3 Sun Devils to be honored this season (Harden, Abbott and now Pendergraph)

2/12/2008 8:15:18 PM